[HN Gopher] When do we stop finding new music?
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When do we stop finding new music?
Author : commons-tragedy
Score : 133 points
Date : 2024-04-24 17:50 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| 082349872349872 wrote:
| Listening to the music of one's childhood time from other
| countries is a way to find comfort-genre but new-to-you pieces.
|
| Sometimes there are nice surprises: for instance, "My Way" (1969)
| and "Comme D'Habitude" (1967) share a tune but are very different
| songs.
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FEwW0W9AvA (did Sid influence
| this interpretation?)
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeTn56-lahg
| nkotov wrote:
| I loved this article. I have about 4k songs saved in my "liked"
| playlist on Spotify, majority of them were from when I was 20 to
| 24, then it tapered off a lot. I turned 30 this year and I still
| like to discover new music but not as much as I did in my early
| 20s.
| reactordev wrote:
| This is why folks in their 40s+ end up still listening to the
| same stuff. lol. The article was right about that.
|
| Acts like Greta Fleet help bridge those gaps between old school
| sounds and new music. Electronica has never been easier to get
| into as well and there's a nostalgia for those old school
| synthwave vibes.
|
| Like all things, there's an ebb and flow to music and musical
| taste over time. You'll find as you understand music more,
| you'll be listening to classical on a Thursday morning just as
| much as you'll listen to pop, rock, or jazz.
|
| By the time you reach 60, your musical tastes _should_ be broad
| enough to appreciate all music, hopefully. Obviously some will
| reach that point faster than others. Musicians tend to be the
| fastest since they are students of music.
|
| I still have a rock playlist I created in my late 20s on
| Spotify that I listen to this day. Mostly started as a digital
| version of my in-car CD collection.
| swozey wrote:
| I like to go through my Liked songs list that's probably 10+
| years old on Spotify and it's basically like a journal of my
| life.
|
| I'll see months where I clearly started dating a new person,
| incorporated their new-to-me music into my playlists, then when
| I start to see Lord Huron etc I'm probably going through
| another breakup. Then glowing up which for me is usually a
| metal/hardcore/rap 3-6 months in the gym until I meet someone
| and cycle again. lol.
|
| My Spotify Remix in 2020 was pretty much all depression music.
| evanletz wrote:
| Agreed. I'm 27 and still save a lot of new music. But I've
| looked back at my older playlists from college and was probably
| saving 10x more songs back then. Full-time job definitely
| affected that
| jonathankoren wrote:
| As a middle aged guy, I've used TikTok to find new music.
|
| Spotify recommendations are kind of crap after a bit. It's a
| fundamental problem with similarity based recommendations and
| people getting stagnant. I don't want to listen to the greatest
| bands of the 90s and 00s. I want to listen to new bands that were
| _influenced_ by those bands.
| andoando wrote:
| I have a similar issue with Spotify too. Everywhere on my page
| is stuff I am completely bored of listening to, but since its
| the only thing I can easily access, I end up listening to the
| same things and Spotify thinks I want more of it.
|
| Instagram has the same issue. I watch a few horse videos and
| all of a sudden my feed is horses for months.
| tombert wrote:
| I haven't read the article, but I know the answer pretty
| definitively for me: the second I stopped listening to the radio,
| which happened in 2008 (when I was 17), because my favorite radio
| station in Orlando that used to carry a lot of punk rock music
| got rebranded to music for the 50+ demographic. I'm not even
| going to pretend that I know the reasons why they did that, but
| it was the only station I was listening to regularly, and pretty
| much my only source for new music as a result.
|
| Gradually I stopped seeking out new music, instead just focusing
| on buying CDs for bands I already knew until I got Spotify in
| 2012, and that just kind of became an echo chamber.
|
| I have a SiriusXM account now, and I do try and seek out new
| music that way occasionally via their phone app, but it's been a
| bit difficult since I don't drive since I moved to NYC. My car
| was probably 80+% of my music-listening time and now I don't
| really have that anymore. I can't really listen to music with
| lyrics while working (way too distracting for me), so the only
| music I listen to during most of the day is video game music from
| the 90's: stuff that's meant to be pleasant to listen to, but
| also easy to tune out by design.
| dr-smooth wrote:
| I also have that problem with lyrics in music while I'm
| working. That pushed me toward more electronic music during the
| workday. Got into various forms of house that way.
| 082349872349872 wrote:
| lyrics in a language you don't speak are much less
| distracting
|
| (every now and then I get tempted to translate whatever word
| I think I keep hearing in every song; it often turns out to
| be either "love" or "heart")
| injidup wrote:
| Finding "new" music is a concept that the music industry has
| marketed to you like being skinny or that cola is a lifestyle. In
| times past people were happy with one genre or slight variations
| of that genre for millennia. Now we are spoiled for choice but
| are yet still made to feel ashamed if we are not consuming the
| newest and discarding the oldest. As if there is sickness to be
| found in enjoying something old and well worn.
| tombert wrote:
| Yeah, I agree.
|
| I think it's easy to sit and judge someone as being
| "uncultured" because they listen to music that was popular when
| they were a teenager, but fundamentally it's not like they're
| hurting anyone. I listen to mostly late-90's-early-2000's punk
| rock even still, and I don't think it's a moral failing that I
| don't listen to the latest stuff all the time, just like I
| don't think it's a moral failing for my mom to mostly listen to
| The Beegees.
|
| Music is, first and foremost, a means of entertainment, and
| it's not like it really buys you anything to be up to date in
| music for most careers. If your job is, I don't know, marketing
| director of a company, then sure, maybe you should keep up to
| date with the latest trends all the time, but most of us have
| pretty utilitarian jobs where it doesn't really matter _what_
| we like.
|
| I think where it gets harmful is acting like "the stuff I
| listened to as a teenager is _objectively_ better than what the
| kids listen to now ", which I will admit is a mentality that I
| sometimes have to actively fight against. I think it can
| sometimes be a proxy for shitting on the next generation of
| humans, and I am very actively against needlessly divisive and
| reductive stuff like that.
| ElFitz wrote:
| > and I don't think it's a moral failing that I don't listen
| to the latest stuff all the time
|
| I've personally enjoyed going the other way and exploring
| earlier and earlier singers and genres.
|
| Quite fun.
|
| For those interested, there's also "Excavated Shellac"[0]. I
| can't say I've liked or even enjoyed most of it, but it's
| been an intriguing and interesting discovery nonetheless.
|
| [0]: https://excavatedshellac.com/2020/12/13/excavated-
| shellac-an...
| tombert wrote:
| Yeah, I've done something like the theme of Excavated
| Shellac with old CDs a couple times. I will buy a bundle of
| 100 random CDs on eBay and go through and rip anything that
| seems remotely interesting. Occasionally I've found stuff
| from obscure artists that I end up liking, and even stuff
| that never made it to Spotify.
|
| It's time consuming and I probably won't do it again but it
| was fun to do a few times.
| floxy wrote:
| >I think it's easy to sit and judge someone as being
| "uncultured" because they listen to music that was popular
| when they were a teenager
|
| Pretty funny, especially since I just attended a sold-out
| performance of Mozart's Requiem last month. Back when I was
| younger, I think the dominant perception was that classical
| music was "cultured" and popular / current music was lacking
| in refinement
| tombert wrote:
| I think it kind of goes both ways?
|
| Maybe the word "uncultured" isn't right, but I feel like
| when I say "I don't really listen to much that was written
| in the last fifteen years", people kind of act like I'm
| some kind of luddite. I also think a lot of people feel
| like the _smartest_ people go way back and listen to the
| classical stuff. Personally, I 've never really been able
| to get into classical music outside of movie soundtracks,
| and for awhile I was kind of embarrassed by that fact, but
| I'm not really anymore. As I said, music is about
| _entertainment_ , and you like what you like.
|
| Kind of related, when I was a teenager, I liked to read a
| lot, but I didn't have any money. I discovered Project
| Gutenberg and started reading a lot of public domain stuff
| (a lot of Mark Twain, Herman Melville, Dickens, etc),
| purely out of cheapness. Teachers would think I'm smarter
| than I actually was because I knew obscure literary
| references from old books in my essays and when I would
| answer questions in class, despite the fact that it doesn't
| really require a 10,000 IQ to download a PDF file from the
| internet and read it.
| reducesuffering wrote:
| > I think it's easy to sit and judge someone as being
| "uncultured" because they listen to music that was popular
| when they were a teenager, but fundamentally it's not like
| they're hurting anyone.
|
| I think the antagonism usually goes in the other way. Most
| people get crystallized music tastes pretty soon into their
| life and the second the new generation comes up with
| something different, it's all "music is crap these days,
| silly kids, back in my day the 90s had the best music." There
| are several examples in this thread without a hint of the
| irony of this article.
| 082349872349872 wrote:
| Old foreign language books had translations for phrases
| along the lines of "the lobster makes a good salad" and "my
| husband is unwell, can you call a doctor?"
|
| If I were to use YouTube for a corpus, I could probably
| write contemporary translation books for many languages, as
| long as the phrases were along the lines of "still
| listening in ${YEAR}" and "new ${GENRE} isn't this good"
| reducesuffering wrote:
| I don't even blame them, clearly the article shows
| there's a biological or cultural phenomenon to it. It's
| just unfortunate when you're the 2% outlier that thinks
| music is progressing, as you can't share with others the
| appreciation that sounds are actually getting better.
| 082349872349872 wrote:
| > _a biological or cultural phenomenom to it_
|
| Puberty?
|
| (much folk music has ambiguous lyrics; I wonder if
| starting to blush at all the traditional village songs
| used to be a social milestone?)
| gwill wrote:
| i feel like a majority of people don't seek out "new" music, so
| i see how you apply that to the music industry as a marketing
| concept. with whatever app, if you get people listening to more
| new stuff, you can get them engaged longer etc.
|
| however, i've sought new music since i was young. its something
| i share with my father who would purposely grab new records or
| cassette based on trivial things (title, art, price..) and then
| listen to the album several times. i love exploring different
| cultures and music is a great reflection of that. at the same
| time, i often go back to the old and well worn music i grew up
| with, and even that my parents or their parents grew up with. i
| think there's a lot of beauty out there and it's a shame to
| shun something new because you feel it falls within an
| industries agenda.
| maerF0x0 wrote:
| > Now we are spoiled for choice but are yet still made to feel
| ashamed if we are not consuming the newest and discarding the
| oldest. As
|
| Actually I've found Gen-z's to have surprisingly wide listening
| patterns. As a few datapoints I was surprised that my friend's
| teenager could actually name several Nirvana songs, knew who
| the Smashing pumpkins were, and also the Talking Heads. (all
| rose and fell from fame before her birth)
| kyllo wrote:
| My friend (who's the same age as me) has a 14 year old son
| who's learning guitar and he asked me for a lesson. The first
| thing he wanted me to show him was some riffs from AC/DC
| songs that came out before _I_ was born.
| fancymcpoopoo wrote:
| Very difficult with streaming. Rdio used to have a slider to
| recommend more unusual music. No other service has this that I've
| found. They keep playing the same songs and artist forever.
| the_gastropod wrote:
| I still mourn the loss of Rdio. It was far and away better than
| any other option. It's such a bummer it lost out to Spotify.
| pavon wrote:
| Pandora has introduced different tunings that help a bit with
| this. Not a continuous slider but provides some presets to
| indicate how wide a net to cast in different dimensions.
| Normal, Crowd Favorites, Deep Cuts, Discovery, Newly Release.
| thefaux wrote:
| The author seems to be describing what happens when one's primary
| relationship with music is one of consumption. It is easy (for me
| at least) to find new music when you are looking for inspiration
| in your own practice of making music. Most people don't make
| music though so I'd imagine it's easy to get stuck in that rut.
| andrewmthomas87 wrote:
| I see what you're saying in terms of additional motivation to
| find new music.
|
| But, is your average person's relationship with music "one of
| consumption" in such a way that causes stagnation? This comes
| off as gatekeepy. People may not make their own music, but I
| imagine many people listen to music as a form of inspiration.
| reducesuffering wrote:
| Ya, I'm positive that familiarity with creating music skews
| listening preferences towards new music. Which is funny because
| then people that shit on modern, new music are statistically
| the ones not being able to create and not as deeply familiar
| with music.
| aidenn0 wrote:
| I remember reading a headline that _Despacito_ had been displaced
| from the #1 position on Billboard after a 16 week run, while I
| had never heard the song. At that point I became a bit more
| intentional about trying to find new music.
| 082349872349872 wrote:
| you obviously weren't watching enough _Sesame Street_ at the
| time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS6e3ZTuxC8
|
| Lagniappe: Landlercito
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSwQ1icECNg
| StuffMaster wrote:
| I know what you mean but at that point I started blaming the
| system! I still don't know that song.
| flerchin wrote:
| You stop when you want to stop. I picked up an affinity for K-pop
| in my 30s. Currently exploring a few other genres and also
| enjoying music that my kids are finding.
| ralphc wrote:
| Me, but I found K-pop in my 50s. Add to that Doom Metal & EBM.
| I also discovered Nu Metal 20 years after the fact. You stop
| when you want to stop.
| supportengineer wrote:
| Thanks to Shazam, I find new music all the time. Often times in
| hip places like hotel lobbies and restaurants.
| artemonster wrote:
| the biggest reason I pay for Spotify is to enjoy each Monday my
| "discover weekly" playlist :)
| Flatcircle wrote:
| agree with this
| msephton wrote:
| Same, but with Apple Music which does a personalised New Music
| Mix on Fridays.
| office_drone wrote:
| > This study identifies 33 as the tipping point for sonic
| stagnation, an age where artistic taste calcifies, increasingly
| deviating from contemporary works
|
| In the time since I turned 33 I've experienced an almost-complete
| switchover in genre preference, from pop/rock/light metal to
| country. Almost all of it has been found through Spotify's Daily
| Mix N, where n >= 2.
| meowtimemania wrote:
| Are spotify daily mixes ordered in some way?
| office_drone wrote:
| As best I can figure #1 is your 'guaranteed hits' - songs
| that you have listened to the most. As you go higher it may
| be your most-loved music of a different genre or the 1st
| genre again but with more new-to-you music.
| andrewmthomas87 wrote:
| Interesting article. I expect today's streaming tech will drive
| some change in these patterns, between easy access to a massive
| library and recommendation features.
|
| Much of my music discovery is aided by Spotify - some automated
| (radio, "Made For You"), some more manual ("Fans also like"
| related artists). However, as I continue to use Spotify, some of
| these features seem less effective. It's like I'm filling in
| interconnected regions of Spotify's graph of music and there are
| less edges to unvisited nodes.
| qzx_pierri wrote:
| Spotify has financial incentive to obfuscate their UI to tilt
| people toward mindlessly consuming playlists. This is because
| labels pay Spotify to put certain songs on large playlists, and
| Spotify knows playlists are a good habit to push onto their
| users.
|
| Radio was used to discover new music decades ago, but paying a
| radio station (directly) to play a song is illegal (payola), so
| DJs had to break new songs, styles, and have a wide array of
| music offered (within the theme of the station).
|
| Spotify now has the ability to engage in a legal version of
| "digital" payola, so their handcrafted group of artists by major
| labels are peppered into their hundreds of in-house playlists,
| disguising this business practice as a wide array of music
| selection.
|
| This is detrimental to music discovery, because discovering a
| song is a lot less meaningful than discovering a new album and
| consuming the project as a whole and appreciating its
| composition.
|
| So you're discovering new music, but none of it is memorable,
| because listening to music in 2024 (for a lot of people) is often
| a wall of slightly groovy background noise, with the occasional
| standout track that you probably toss into your own personal
| playlist.
|
| How I fixed this:
|
| 1. Disable the 'autoplay' feature
|
| 2. Don't use playlists and listen to albums (except for when I'm
| in a pinch or hosting a party)
|
| 3. Intentionally discover a new genre every few months and go
| down a rabbit hole. My current new genre is South African
| Amapiano. Excellent stuff.
|
| 4. Discover music across different genres and time periods using
| RateYourMusic.
| ryandrake wrote:
| > So you're discovering new music, but none of it is memorable,
| because listening to music in 2024 (for a lot of people) is
| often a wall of slightly groovy background noise, with the
| occasional standout track that you probably toss into your own
| personal playlist.
|
| Yea, I tried streaming for a while, and found exactly that.
| When I play some genre-specific stream with a goal of
| discovering new music, I find it's basically full of
| unremarkable, generic musak, punctuated by maybe 0.1%
| memorable, great tracks that I'm motivated to bookmark for
| later. Are these few needles worth slogging through hours of
| haystack? After a few years I have sadly concluded "no."
|
| Not sure why this is. Has it always been this way (0.1% great
| stuff in a sea of mediocre?) or are "content creators" of today
| just more focused on churning out quantity than artists of the
| past?
| jonathankoren wrote:
| You've discovered the Pareto Principle. It's true about
| literally everything.
| qwertox wrote:
| So now I was on the German and the English Wikipedia entry
| of the Principle and noticed a noteworthy difference:
|
| English: While it is common to refer to pareto as "80/20"
| rule, under the assumption that, in all situations, 20% of
| causes determine 80% of problems, this ratio is merely a
| convenient rule of thumb and is not, nor should it be
| considered, an immutable law of nature.
|
| German: The 80-20 distribution in the Pareto principle
| often leads to the false assumption that a sum of 100 is
| mandatory. In fact, however, any other distribution is
| possible, in which, for example, 50 % of the efforts lead
| to 90 % of the effect, and again 50 % of the efforts lead
| to the remaining 10 % of the effect. This is easy to see in
| the trivial case that 100% of the efforts are the cause of
| 100% of the success. [0]
|
| It's interesting how this explanatory information is
| lacking in the English version. Should be a cool project
| for an LLM to transfer information between the different
| language versions of a Wikipedia entry.
|
| [0] Translated with DeepL.com (free version)
| listenallyall wrote:
| It's "true", yes, for almost everything, but there is a lot
| to gain from recognizing the difference between 80/20 and
| 90/10 or even 99/1, etc. Just like 99%, 99.9% and 99.99%
| uptime are VERY different promises to meet, while looking
| virtually identical to a layman.
| mattpallissard wrote:
| I'll add one more
|
| 5. Once you find a band you like, pull their tour dates. See
| who they're opening for or who their openers are.
| horsh1 wrote:
| 6. Go to whosampled.com and figure out the originals. Whom do
| they cover, whom do they sample.
| zer00eyz wrote:
| >> labels pay Spotify to put certain songs on large playlists
|
| What are you talking about. IM going to need you to back this
| one up with some proof.
|
| 1. The labels have a giant back catalog that remains popular.
| It does not need promotion. Huge long tail profits there.
|
| 2. The labels dont have a lot to sell any more. The big artists
| tend to get out of the system (and make money on tours) and
| small artists get nothing. And lots of artists have bought back
| their catalogs, again long tail.
|
| The album, as a vehicle is mostly dead. Hell songs are mostly
| dead, if you cant hook someone in the time of a ticktock video
| your going to have a lot of trouble getting them. And there you
| need to be "background music" with a groove.
| noah_buddy wrote:
| Anecdotal, but I was close friends with someone who managed a
| niche (but popular) artist's social media and streaming
| service presence. We discussed this fact and this person
| mentioned it could be $10k+ to be on some playlists 1st song
| spot for just a few days. I doubt it's only Spotify official
| playlists.
| zer00eyz wrote:
| Or, you know, Spotify lists suck because they dont want you
| consuming.
|
| The optimal state for Netflix, Spotify, any other bandwidth
| intensive fixed price service is for you to PAY for it and
| NOT USE IT.
|
| These services are optimized for maintaining subscription
| numbers, not your enjoyment.
| harles wrote:
| I've wondered for a while if Spotify skews playlists in favor
| of cheaper songs. I have no evidence of this, but it'd make
| business sense to use the equivalent of store brand music (even
| if that just means outsourced to a cheap agency) for generic
| study music playlists and such.
| Euphorbium wrote:
| I think they tend to play what is cached locally, to save on
| streaming costs.
| harles wrote:
| That's certainly possible, but I'd expect licensing costs
| to dwarf bandwidth costs.
| dotancohen wrote:
| You have no idea how little artists make from selling
| music on platforms. The money is in the live performances
| and merchandise.
| resource_waste wrote:
| I noticed Google Play do this with Soundcloud Rap.
|
| Their amorality has caused me to enjoy SoundCloud Rap at a
| formidable age, now I cannot shake it. My kids listen to it,
| swear amorally, and the cycle continues.
|
| All because Google Play didn't want to shell out an extra 60
| cents per year for paid Rappers.
| tripdout wrote:
| What???
| re wrote:
| > it'd make business sense to use the equivalent of store
| brand music
|
| They've been accused of almost exactly this:
| https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/spotify-is-
| creating-i...
|
| Spotify denies doing this but you can google to find a lot of
| controversy over fake artists on Spotify.
|
| A more recent variation on the theme:
| https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/19/swedish-
| comp...
| doublepg23 wrote:
| > so DJs had to break new songs, styles, and have a wide array
| of music offered (within the theme of the station).
|
| I'm an older Zoomer and this was never the case for radio in my
| lifetime [1]. I heard "college radio stations" being a bastion
| of this but I've never listened to one myself.
|
| One of the earliest internet services I remember loving was
| Pandora because it recommended me artists I never heard on the
| radio and was the start of my love of music.
|
| [1] I'm guessing it was related to all radio stations being
| owned by the same companies.
| dmd wrote:
| Correct - this sort of thing was basically over-and-done by
| the mid 90s.
| TehCorwiz wrote:
| Late Gen-X/Early Millennial here; there was a time before the
| consolidation of radio stations and invasion of iHeartMedia
| (at the time named Clear Channel) where DJs had the final
| word in what got played and most were quite good at
| introducing new music. Here's my experience form the outside
| of the industry: once consolidation started there was a push
| to use canned (pre-recorded) intros, outros, and interstitial
| announcements to reduce costs. Stations often kept some talk
| shows, but few kept real DJs. This let stations use a small
| number of voice actors for a large number of stations.
| Combined with centrally controlled playlists they were able
| to push the costs down and increase profits to the point that
| older style stations with bespoke DJs couldn't compete
| financially and either adopted the same model or they sold
| out.
|
| EDIT: I may be misremembering, but there used to be a limit
| on how many stations a company could own in a given market.
| StuffMaster wrote:
| Yep. I recall this happening. Let's all praise DEREGULATION
| and the dollars it brought us.
| joshmarinacci wrote:
| You are correct. There used to be a limit. Radio was
| deregulated in the 90s and by the early 2000s local DJ
| selected music was essentially gone.
| bee_rider wrote:
| I recently switched off Amazon Music and went back to Pandora
| (must have started using it in like 2010 and then gone on a
| 13 or so year long diversion into the on-demand streaming
| services).
|
| I guess it isn't surprising because it is their core value
| proposition, but the Pandora discovery algorithm seems _so
| much_ better than the competition, at least to my ears.
|
| I miss the ability to hyper-focus and play an album over and
| over, but on the other hand, it is probably better not to
| burn out on an album, and anyway, if I really want to, I can
| buy the album I guess.
|
| Pandora + Bandcamp reminds me of what the internet looked
| like it could be. Sad that Amazon and their ilk have to silo
| everything.
|
| Last.fm was pretty good too. I wonder how they are holding
| up...
| jrussino wrote:
| Pandora was my go-to circa 2007-2009 and I haven't thought
| about it in years. Looking back, I discovered a
| disproportionate amount of the music I like in that
| timeframe... I'm honestly kind of surprised they're still
| around (and, if I'm reading your comment correctly, haven't
| morphed into something entirely unrecognizable in the
| meantime?)
| bee_rider wrote:
| I don't know much about their business model under the
| hood, but from my point of view they seem pretty similar
| to back then.
|
| It was funny to log in and see all my old stations from a
| decade plus ago, still working.
| bdw5204 wrote:
| I use Pandora and subscribe to Premium which allows me to
| listen to albums on demand. When I started out as a free
| user after I gave up on Youtube in the background apps, I
| didn't like Spotify because it kept forcing me to listen
| to awful songs that it pushes on everybody instead of
| what I actually wanted to listen to. Pandora was a much
| better experience as a free user because their "radio"
| plays music similar to what you've already told it you
| like.
| MattJ100 wrote:
| How does Spotify "force" you to listen to stuff? I have a
| very different experience. Pandora (many years ago when I
| tried it) did not let you choose what you wanted to play
| (e.g. am album) and Spotify did (and still does). I have
| hundreds of my own playlists on Spotify, and my listening
| time is split between those, Spotify's "daily mix"
| playlists (generated from your personal music tastes) and
| occasionally "discover weekly" (one way I discover new
| music). I like choosing what music I listen to.
| Kiro wrote:
| > This is because labels pay Spotify to put certain songs on
| large playlists
|
| Source? This is what Spotify says about it themselves:
|
| "We want to make something crystal clear: no one can pay to be
| added to one of Spotify's editorial playlists."
|
| https://community.spotify.com/t5/FAQs/How-to-get-your-music-...
|
| Sure, they could be lying but then all the labels and their
| employees would need to be in on the lie as well.
| qzx_pierri wrote:
| This is the same defense used in radio. Note the wording ...
| "no one can pay". Favors and indirect payment are used
| excessively in the music industry. Note that I also said that
| payola was the act of "direct payment".
|
| An example of indirect payment in radio would be the record
| label gifting a set of expensive tickets to the station.
|
| Remember those contests in the 2000s where the radio station
| would play a collection of songs over the course of a few
| hours, and if you could call in and be caller number 15 and
| name all the songs, you could win free concert tickets?
|
| The record label didn't pay the radio station with money -
| The tickets were gifted to the station for free. But as a
| result, the radio station played [insert band name]'s songs
| for 2 hours straight (and possibly other artists on the same
| label).
|
| This is a win-win, because a ton of people talk about this
| contest with their family and friends, so the station gets
| free promo, and the artist gets exposure.
|
| I don't know how Spotify is doing this in the digital era,
| but ask anyone connected to the music industry. This 100%
| happens.
|
| For a lot of casual listeners, Spotify editorial playlists
| are the new radio station.
| onion2k wrote:
| _mindlessly_
|
| Or mindfully.
|
| You have no idea why people choose what they listen to, and
| suggesting they're doing it without thinking is just your
| snobbery showing.
| qzx_pierri wrote:
| Read my comment again. If you're listening to a playlist,
| you're not mindfully choosing each song. There's nothing
| wrong with playlists, but my point was to describe how
| listening to music from Spotify's playlists often isn't a
| mindful experience (excluding when your attention is grabbed
| the occasional standout track).
|
| A GOOD playlist can keep your attention, and those are often
| handcrafted by other users. Just look at some of the other
| responses in this thread. Plenty of people have the same
| experience.
|
| I also said that music from playlists is often (not always)
| groovy background noise - This isn't a mindful experience -
| And that's okay.
| domador wrote:
| I'm listening to some Amapiano now... and loving it.
|
| Care to share some of the other genres you've tried before this
| one?
| qzx_pierri wrote:
| My previous genres were dozens of Techno subgenres. Check out
| the 2023 Coachella lineup. That year had a strong focus on
| 'World Music'. I went last year and that's how I discovered
| Amapiano.
|
| If you like Amapiano, check out a song titled 'Ungowami' by
| Sha Sha
|
| Check out 'Big Flexa' by Costa Titch. Awesome music video
| too. Huge dance culture in South Africa.
|
| Also check out 'Abo Mvelo' by Daliwonga (this song gets me
| hype during workouts)
|
| And check out Uncle Waffles' Boiler Room mix. Truly awesome
| performance.
| jncfhnb wrote:
| > This is detrimental to music discovery, because discovering a
| song is a lot less meaningful than discovering a new album and
| consuming the project as a whole and appreciating its
| composition.
|
| This is a very silly statement. As someone who prefers to
| listen the full albums and does so 95% of the time and
| basically never seek to play a specific single; I'm definitely
| not going to listen to an entire albums of new artists at a
| time.
|
| I look at the discover weekly / release radar. If I like a
| song, I'll listen to the album. If it I like the album, I'll
| listen to the discography.
|
| Most music is not great, but it's easy to sample and dive
| deeper.
| qzx_pierri wrote:
| >If I like a song, I'll listen to the album. If it I like the
| album, I'll listen to the discography.
|
| Not everyone wants to put forth that much effort. Design
| decisions are often, if not always, centered around the path
| of least resistance. [1]
|
| 1: https://www.usertesting.com/blog/why-users-wont-go-where-
| you...
| bheadmaster wrote:
| > Not everyone wants to put forth that much effort.
|
| How is that more effort than listening whole albums?
|
| I personally do my Spotify discovery exactly that way - I
| listen to "discover weekly", and when a song stands out, I
| just click on the artist and listen more. I can't imagine
| any way of putting _less_ effort than that into discovering
| new music.
| qzx_pierri wrote:
| Albums aren't what Spotify recommends. Path of least
| resistance. See my comment above.
| tptacek wrote:
| I don't know about the Spotify analysis here, but certainly
| cosign RateYourMusic, which I just learned about this last
| weekend and am now a little bit obsessed with. It's like IMDB
| crossed with Pinboard, and the list of new stuff I have to
| listen to now is _long_ and intricately connected to what I
| already listen to. It 's a pretty amazing resource, even if
| everyone there is wrong about Uncle Tupelo's "Anodyne".
| raffraffraff wrote:
| I pay for it because it's dirt cheap and you get track
| ratings. If I discover an artist I use RYM to get the best 3
| songs of their best 3 albums on YouTube. if I still like the
| band after that I'll buy the highest rated album.
| divbzero wrote:
| The old school way still works too:
|
| 5. Listen to the radio.
| masklinn wrote:
| Nah, most people only have consolidated radio stations, they
| play national playlists of soup.
|
| If you still have independent stations which pay actual radio
| DJs empowered to craft their sets, cherish them.
| BLKNSLVR wrote:
| Three D Radio, local independent radio station in Adelaide,
| South Australia is the source of most of my discovery.
|
| They play a lot of styles, and there's a lot I don't like,
| but there's a very high chance you haven't heard it before
| - and that counts for something.
|
| https://www.threedradio.com
| nemothekid wrote:
| > _My current new genre is South African Amapiano._
|
| How did you discover Amapiano? I ask because Tyla has become
| massively popular in the last year and I'm wondering if the
| discovery was truly coincidental or undercover marketing?
| qzx_pierri wrote:
| Uncle Waffles @ Coachella 2023
| rsanheim wrote:
| Also - just don't use Spotify. It has a UX that is just
| consistently opposed to album-centric listening. Or any sort of
| focused listening, really.
|
| There are alternatives. Apple music is fine. Tidal + Roon is
| also pretty good.
|
| For discovering music, Roon provides a much more album-centric
| way to browse and learn about different albums and genres. I
| use that combined with subreddits for particular genres and
| good old fashioned album reviews and artist interviews.
| gaudystead wrote:
| Since I'm not seeing anybody mention it yet but it's one of my
| favorite ways to find new genres, I'd highly recommend everyone
| check out everynoise.com because they seem to have scraped
| Spotify's genres (you'll need Spotify to listen to more than 30
| second samples, but probably still useful even if you don't use
| Spotify). The number of genres they have listed in the
| THOUSANDS, and I guarantee they will have something you've
| never heard of, but it's a great rabbit hole to go down when
| looking for new music. If you like a genre, they'll already
| have multiple playlists for it, and if you like a particular
| artist, they'll have those too. I am not affiliated with the
| website, but try to turn everyone I know onto it because
| there's just so much out there to discover that I wouldn't have
| otherwise.
|
| (everynoise.com developer, if you're reading this, I love you
| <3)
| hboon wrote:
| I see this in https://everynoise.com/#updates
|
| > 2024-01-05 status update: With my layoff from Spotify on
| 2023-12-04, I lost the internal data-access required for
| ongoing updates to many parts of this site. Most of this, as a
| result, is now a static snapshot of what, for now, will be the
| final state from the site's 10-year history and evolution,
| hosted on my own server. Some pieces may get disabled and
| reenabled over time, and some that only made sense with current
| data may never return. But we'll see.
| cm2012 wrote:
| Strongly disagree with your take on albums. I'm a music lover,
| spotify wrapped always puts me in the top 5% for most artists.
| I _never_ search by album, always song, and if it 's great I'll
| click in to check to see if the album is to my taste.
|
| I have discovered so much musix on spotify. I'm not going to
| listen to a whole album to see if I like a new artist, lol.
| bigirondba wrote:
| I'm not convinced that we stop finding new music, we just become
| less zealous or outward about it as we get older. When I was
| young, I was all about talking music, having the right DJ list
| for roadtrips, etc, etc and now? I just hit play and don't think
| too much about it. Probably because it's harder to attend shows,
| less relevant to my social life, etc. I've also found as I've
| gotten older that I just care less about the specifics of what
| the song or artist is. I'll anchor to a song I really like and
| then let Apple's infinite play loop take it from there.
| monksy wrote:
| The artists have made it harder. They've pushed for aggressive
| one sided fan behavior policies (phone less), they've increased
| aggressively with the prices, the quality has gone down with
| many established bands, pushed large shows without building a
| performance with the space, and they've done a ton of things
| that don't help their product.
|
| It feels more like greed in the business than an experience.
|
| That being said I'm still sitting on the idea of paying 123$
| for cage the elephant show on an album I haven't heard yet.
| coldtea wrote:
| > _They 've pushed for aggressive one sided fan behavior
| policies (phone less)_
|
| That's the best thing they could do for fans.
| kennyadam wrote:
| I am 100% onboard with the phone bans. There's nothing worse
| than hundreds of phone screens glowing in your face while
| you're trying to enjoy a live act. I can't imagine how weird
| it must feel for the performer(s) too. To go from people
| looking at you, making eye contact, engaging with the
| performance, to suddenly seeing a sea of phones pointed at
| you, with everyone watching you indirectly via their phone
| screen.
| monksy wrote:
| There are far better ways to address people holding up
| their phones to record than to outright ban them from
| everyone. There are strong reasons (Bataclan) to need and
| have those there.
|
| What's with the sympathy for the performer? It's hard for
| them to even see the audience. Most of the light is focused
| on them and the audience is in the dark.
| ryandrake wrote:
| Yea, the whole "I want to watch the concert through my
| phone" thing I don't get at all. If you just want to watch
| it on your phone, why not just stay home and watch a
| professionally-produced concert video? Are they actually
| recording it for later (and are actually going to watch
| their low-quality recording later), or do they simply need
| to frame everything they experience inside a phone bezel?
| jfdbcv wrote:
| I think humans have a natural instinct to share what they
| find cool / interesting.
|
| Before this was mostly done through in person
| communicate, now this is primarily done through smart
| phones.
| Contax wrote:
| They just want to brag about it, I guess. Like with
| photos of their meals and... well, lots of things. To
| each their own, but I stopped attending most shows mainly
| because of the annoying seas of phones in front of me.
| jdminhbg wrote:
| > Are they actually recording it for later (and are
| actually going to watch their low-quality recording
| later)
|
| What's wild is how much the "low-quality recording" on a
| modern smartphone looks and sounds way better than
| bootlegs I listened to (or, god forbid, watched) in the
| 90s.
|
| I don't film entire concerts but I will usually try to
| get a nice clip from one of my favorite songs. It's fun
| to revisit. I'd love it if I had short clips from shows I
| saw when I was 20, especially ones of bands who blew up
| later or fell off the face of the earth.
| conradfr wrote:
| Also, why can't phones have a "concert mode" where you can
| film with the screen off?
| riffic wrote:
| perhaps it's ill-behaved fans enjoying the art the wrong way?
| do we suppose the audience should be talking during a set
| too?
| coldtea wrote:
| > _I'm not convinced that we stop finding new music, we just
| become less zealous or outward about it as we get older. When I
| was young, I was all about talking music, having the right DJ
| list for roadtrips, etc, etc and now? I just hit play and don't
| think too much about it. Probably because it's harder to attend
| shows, less relevant to my social life, etc._
|
| Well, older people (40, 50, even 60+) more passionate about
| music, they still do all of those (going to concerts,
| discussing music, crafting the right playlist for roadtrips),
| not unlike like they did in their 20s.
|
| So, yes: most people do care less about music and stop finding
| new music.
| cchi_co wrote:
| I am an adult but still love to make right DJ list for
| roadtrips
| grujicd wrote:
| > Probably because it's harder to attend shows
|
| This is maybe true if we talk about superstar kind of show. But
| I think it's now easier than ever to find out about little
| gigs, which were hard to find before social networks.
|
| I live in medium size capital city (Belgrade), there are
| options to listen to live music every single day. Sometimes
| it's just classic music, sometimes there are cover bands, but
| quite often there's a chance to listen to original music. And
| these small gigs are quite cheap or even free. I very often
| listen a song or two (Spotify or youtube really help with
| this!), then if it looks promising I listen to some more while
| walking to the show.
|
| Sure, sometimes it's not good. But very often I like it a lot
| and you can bet I listen to it much more focused then if that
| same music came on autoplay at home.
|
| If you're in big enough city or have something bigger nearby -
| find a way to discover new gigs, follow venues, event
| organizers, local cultural institutions, festivals, etc. That's
| my main use of Facebook.
| karaterobot wrote:
| I can't buy an argument about there being too many options. If
| there were a lot of options, and you liked a lot of them, you
| could just randomly sample new albums, or listen to whatever
| Spotify told you to listen to, and there would be no problem
| finding new music. I suspect the issue is there's a lot of music
| out there and none of it sounds like what you want.
|
| Note that this isn't saying music today is bad, it's got nothing
| to do with that.
|
| At a certain point, changing trends in music cause it to drift
| too far from your internal model (developed in youth) for what a
| song should be, and it becomes hard to take, decreasing returns
| with increasing effort, and you say "fuck it, I'll just listen to
| what I already like for the rest of my life".
| maerF0x0 wrote:
| I would guess there's a strong correlation with trait openness to
| someones ability to integrate new music into their collection.
| IDK if its a lot, but I listened to 90 genres in 2023. I do find
| myself frequently liking music that is about 10 years old, but I
| think that's a function of discovering it, not of a willingness
| to try new sounds on for taste.
| riffic wrote:
| I'm still finding new music (look at my account creation date if
| you want an indication what my real world age is).
|
| Go crate digging or something, I don't know what the secret
| formula is.
|
| Spotify's robot dj just plays the same stuff over and over
| without much of a discovery component to it.
| czbond wrote:
| My best Spotify discovery method is the channel for the style I
| enjoy - and it is always news songs.
|
| I only listen to hard rock. All the songs are new & recently
| added with a fairly new artist mix.
| adamgravitis wrote:
| Other than the opportunity for a misplaced pun on the term
| "spiral", why would you take an otherwise linear-in-time graph
| and make it radial? Why would age 0 to 50 be somehow cyclical?
| kristopolous wrote:
| I've got a rather wonky way of doing this.
| https://github.com/kristopolous/music-explorer
|
| I've been building systems to find new music for 18 years or so.
| This latest one I've been using since early 2020.
|
| It's really for just me so sorry if the documentation is a little
| scattered. I'm certainly doing some minor ToS violations all over
| the place with this thing so I don't want it to get _too_ popular
| but I 'll be happy to clean up the documentation if there's
| interest
| dimask wrote:
| Thank you for sharing this! Looking forward to try it, seems
| like an interesting idea. My strategy on bandcamp is
| conceptually similar, albeit manually.
| jddj wrote:
| Ah this is very cool.
| havblue wrote:
| It doesn't seem like the article makes much of a distinction
| between newly released music and music that you haven't listened
| to yet. Personally, as I get older I've lost the ability to
| listen to the same Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd etc albums for the
| 100th time. I cringe every time I hear the opening of Don't Stop
| Believing. So I've kept trying to get deeper into prog and other
| genres lately as I'm just burnt out on the old (good) stuff.
| 082349872349872 wrote:
| > _Pink Floyd etc albums for the 100th time_
|
| If you can risk a 101st time, have you tried "Dark Side of the
| Moonshine" (2009) yet?
| grujicd wrote:
| I really like Roger Waters recently released Dark Side of the
| Moon Redux.
| eterm wrote:
| Dub side of the moon (2003) is an absolute masterpiece of
| alternative covers.
|
| Sometimes I forget their version of Breathe isn't the
| original.
| jddj wrote:
| I also listened to so much of this in my late teens that
| hearing the original sounds strange.
| jonathankoren wrote:
| I still like Nirvana, and think they defined a moment, but
| let's be honest here. Dave Grohl has had a longer career with
| Foo Fighters, and Cobain hasn't put out new stuff since 1994.
|
| I'm not really interested in reliving that time.
| nocman wrote:
| Just pulled up "Don't Stop Believing" as a test.
|
| Even on crappy old junk headphones, still an awesome song that
| I don't think I'll ever get tired of.
|
| Granted, I don't generally let services make a playlist for me,
| and I don't beat the old songs to death. I like more variety
| than that.
|
| I _have_ however, rolled my eyes when listening to services
| that have an "80's rock" or "top 90's songs" only to have them
| play the _exact_ same dozen-or-so songs that they did the last
| time I visited that channel. No thanks!
|
| That's also probably one of the reasons I rarely listen using a
| service-generated playlist/channel. I think they are maximized
| for the service's profit, not for the listener's enjoyment.
| UniverseHacker wrote:
| To me it depends a lot on the music... if it's more complex, or
| has more emotional depth I can usually continue to enjoy it
| almost indefinitely and get something new out of it each time.
|
| I'm sad to admit Led Zeppelin has lost some of it's charm after
| many listening, which makes me sad because I enjoyed it so much
| in the past. I've found a lot of Pink Floyd stuff is complex
| enough that I'm still enjoying it and noticing new things after
| many decades of listening to it. Watching videos of Floyd
| playing live also opened up a whole new appreciation for the
| music.
|
| Lots of the music I enjoyed as a kid/teenager had themes I can
| only now understand in my late 30s, and didn't really
| appreciate or fully grasp back then.
|
| Overall, a lot of prog really seems to have enough complexity
| to remain interesting for a long time. Most of Tools albums, I
| seem to not enjoy much at first, but enjoy more, and notice
| more things each time I listen, even after hundreds of listens.
|
| The same music that is complex enough to remain interesting
| over time, usually doesn't compress well and is really damaged
| as a low bitrate MP3. I've found those same albums I listen to
| most year after year are the ones I sought out lossless
| versions of.
| HDThoreaun wrote:
| Prog is making a bit of a comeback. Black Midi brought it back
| to the limelight for critics I think and the london scene is
| kind of all in on the sound.
| nerdjon wrote:
| I have to wonder how much of this is societal expectations as you
| age? or "Being an adult".
|
| The idea that once you reach a certain age, you settle down, get
| into a routine, doing less new things, etc.
|
| While yeah, a music streaming service could introduce you to new
| music. Maybe you will just find yourself in less situations where
| you will experience new music?
|
| Listening to a new song on your phone is a drastically different
| experience to overhearing it while traveling, with friends,
| whatever.
|
| I know I have a number of songs that bring up an emotional
| response due to certain events tied to them. And some of them are
| genres I would not have normally found myself listening too.
| blakesterz wrote:
| There's a great episode of the Ongoing History of New Music on
| this topic
|
| What A Drag It Is Getting Old (Musically)
|
| https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/what-a-drag-it-is-gett...
| "Ah...there it was again: an example of how someone's musical
| tastes evolve with age... it's just something that happens with
| most people... most of take that as a given...not me,
| though...this is something that's always fascinated me...there
| has to be some science behind why we listen to different types
| and styles of music as we go through life... So I tracked down
| this science and I have some answers...we'll call this episode
| "what a drag it is getting old--musically"..."
| murmansk wrote:
| Never! It gets just gets harder with time to find what you like,
| as your taste ossifies, and music evolves.
| ergonaught wrote:
| Well I'm in my 50s, and I mostly stopped finding new music when
| record labels, streaming, and social media destroyed the
| prospects for people who would otherwise make that new music for
| me to find.
|
| New stuff still arrives (you're not going to predict that me-
| at-15-loving-Megadeth will much later also love Billie Eilish or
| Gin Wigmore or Mirel Wagner or ...) but most "new music" is
| garbage by the standards set by about 50 years of music (much of
| that before I was alive and thus well before my "peak
| influence").
|
| I suspect the "findings" of the article suffer from environmental
| effects that weren't considered/controlled.
| ryandrake wrote:
| I'm closing in on 50s, and what I miss the most out of the
| music I grew up with are actual cohesive albums that work as a
| single artistic unit. I think the 70s were the golden age of
| albums, and then slowly we moved towards the world of albums
| being just random collections of tracks, with one or two good
| ones and the rest "filler." Now, do many modern musicians even
| bother to release albums anymore? Seems like it's just track
| after track now.
| xoac wrote:
| I mean depends on what you are listening to. PLENTY of albums
| are being made.
| andrewmthomas87 wrote:
| > but most "new music" is garbage by the standards set by about
| 50 years of music
|
| How so? What are these standards?
| coldtea wrote:
| Infantilized lyrics, melodies, and harmonies, for starters.
| gwill wrote:
| i think defining what "new" means would help clarity this.
| perhaps what you said is true with new mainstream music
| from large labels, but none of that applies to "new" music
| that i listen to, at least that i'm aware of.
| coldtea wrote:
| New popular music.
|
| The mainstream went from quite decent to crap within the
| last 20 years or so.
|
| One could always find stuff to listen to their personal
| echo bubble, but not as much in the wider shared pop
| culture space.
| doublepg23 wrote:
| Have you tried adapting to newer discovery methods like
| http://rateyourmusic.com/ or http://last.fm/ or subreddits like
| reddit.com/r/LetsTalkMusic , reddit.com/r/IndieHeads ,
| reddit.com/r/HipHopHeads ?
|
| Perhaps even "4chan /mu/ charts"?
| BenFranklin100 wrote:
| There's something biological going here I would think. 30 is
| about the age where fluid intelligence peaks but crystallized
| intelligence continues to grow for a few more decades. Also, 30
| is about the age where a lot of us come into our own as the
| person we will more or less be for the rest of our lives. I know
| for myself that in my teens and twenties, music was part of the
| process of defining myself. By my early thirties, I had grown out
| of that phase and mine or someone else's taste in music was
| irrelevant to how we viewed each other. Interestingly, like many
| men, I have not touched a video game since the age of thirty even
| though I've had the time.
| monksy wrote:
| Buy a Nintendo switch, and breath of the wild
|
| Come back in 9 months after you start that.
| DEADMEAT wrote:
| I'm curious about your experience with older men not playing
| video games? I'm in my mid-thirties and I would say that the
| overwhelming majority of my male friends and co-workers play
| video games recreationally. Video games are more popular and
| accessible than ever, so I guess I'm confused about why someone
| would age-out of the hobby?
| ctoth wrote:
| Related, though not so much to the question in the article which
| more applies to individuals but societally:
|
| Melancholy Elephants:
| http://www.spiderrobinson.com/melancholyelephants.html
| noashavit wrote:
| I think that it really depends on your relationship with music.
| I'm no longer in my 30s and still find new music all the time.
|
| I wonder why parents consistently listening to older music than
| their childless peers
| coldtea wrote:
| New-new music, or just new acts in the same genres that you
| liked in your early 20s?
| reducesuffering wrote:
| Maybe I missed this in the article but I agree this is a
| major consideration. I find a lot of people might like "new"
| music but it's very much a slight riff on stuff they liked a
| long time ago. As a 30yo, good luck introducing anyone in the
| 25+ category to new albums that actually experiment into
| novel sounds and become the music of the current 20yo
| generation.
|
| It's a little sad too because the internet unlocked so much
| "bedroom producer" potential from the entire world where
| before you had to be musically trained or get a lot more
| lucky. There's actually a talent explosion right now.
| dublinben wrote:
| >good luck introducing anyone in the 25+ category to new
| albums that actually experiment into novel sounds and
| become the music of the current 20yo generation
|
| Both here and in the article there's a conflation of "new
| music" with "contemporary mainstream popular" which seems
| invalid. Is the Billboard Hot 100 any more or less
| innovative in 2024 than it was in 2004, or 1974? I think
| that most "mainstream" music is precisely "a slight riff on
| stuff [written] a long time ago." You have to go outside of
| the mainstream to find music and artists that are
| experimenting with novel sounds, just like you did in
| decades past.
|
| As you say, there's been an explosion of independent
| creativity, thanks to the Internet. There's no reason for
| anyone who is interested in music to listen to the same old
| mainstream dreck.
| chx wrote:
| This rapidly becomes an exercise in classifying music which I
| always felt a bit silly. Try to put God Is an Astronaut in a
| genre, I wish you good fortune in the wars to come.
| https://youtu.be/ZmWYCIZhBgk at one time Wikipedia had them
| as "Post-rock, electronica, ambient, Space rock" then just
| gave up and labelled them as post-rock.
|
| My brother and I, less than two years apart in age, when we
| were 18 years old listened to the same music, power metal,
| mostly. By now, some three decades later he have veered off
| in a direction of high BPM while I am deep in folk metal land
| sometimes leaving metal behind. Where does folk metal end and
| where does (neo)folk rock start? I do not know and I couldn't
| care less if I tried. I simply enjoy
| https://youtu.be/mQWmryiIcxY a lot without trying to label
| it.
| bojan wrote:
| From the perspective of this parent - toddlers are loud. They
| make so much noise, continuously, either by playing or talking
| or, more often, both at the same time, that when I get a moment
| of silence I don't want to ruin it by playing music. I just
| want to hear nothing for a while, or chat with my partner in
| peace.
|
| Only in the last few months, with the youngest being almost 5,
| do I feel the urge to listen to the music again - and I have a
| 10 year gap to catch up with.
| floxy wrote:
| ...And you are listening to music for them. Although "C is
| for Conifers" (by They Might Be Giants) is pretty good by
| toddler-music-genre standards.
| theodpHN wrote:
| Wonder if this has gotten worse as music listening has become
| more of a private thing (solitary ipod/iphone listening). prior
| to that, i think many parents (myself included) found
| themselves exposed to lots of new music simply because it was
| hard to avoid not hearing whatever their children/spouses were
| listening to at home or in the car.
| tmountain wrote:
| Age has affected my taste in music, but I continue to discover
| new music as I reach my mid 40s. As a teenager, I wanted to
| listen to grunge, punk, and metal. In my 20s, I had a strong
| preference for indie music. In my 30s, I got into blues and
| American folk music. Now, I'm in a jazz phase and appreciating
| classic guitarists from the 1950s and 1960s. I have always loved
| classical music, and I still appreciate a lot of the music from
| my past decades of development, but I hear a lot of it filtered
| through nostalgia and historical experiences more than from an
| angle of objective enjoyment.
| cchi_co wrote:
| > Age has affected my taste in music, but I continue to
| discover new music
|
| Same here... And I became really into the ganre World Music
| tmountain wrote:
| I also like World Music a lot, and West African blues. Check
| out Bombino if you haven't already heard him.
| aimor wrote:
| I've been using http://somafm.com and it's really the only thing
| that got me back into listening to music. ( https://radio.garden
| is also interesting )
| kyllo wrote:
| When I lived in South Korea, one of the things that struck me was
| how much "flatter" the generations there were in terms of pop
| culture and music taste and awareness, compared to the US. I
| worked in an office with a bunch of suit-and-tie businessmen who
| were mostly in their 40s to 60s, and if you were to ask them
| about any current K-pop group, they all knew their hit songs.
| greyface- wrote:
| Possible confounding factor: they only studied Spotify and Deezer
| users. This is like studying Kindle users for insights on readers
| at large. I would not be surprised if there were a correlation
| between using streaming services (or not) and openness to new
| music. Study, say, Bandcamp users, and I bet you get a different
| picture.
| 082349872349872 wrote:
| Wasn't there already a "Tom the Dancing Bug" about the 13-14
| thing over a decade ago?
| crtasm wrote:
| I love opening the bandcamp homepage and seeing the live
| purchases scroll past, people all over the world buying music
| I've (mostly) not yet discovered!
| treflop wrote:
| my thought is that music is a hobby and people mislead themselves
| into themselves into thinking that it's their hobby or that
| everyone has music has a hobby. I think music is just a phase for
| most people, as have been most things I've personally tried but
| wasn't really into
|
| but I'm in my 30s, am still into finding my music, and I can't
| see that ever going away.
|
| and I know people love listening to music from their formative
| years and don't get me wrong, I too was obsessed into 2010's
| indie rock and pop punk too, but I think it's just people
| reliving the phase.
|
| personally I will only pretty much listen to 2020's indie rock
| and pop punk from new bands if I do. you will rarely catch me
| listening to music that I used to listen to. it was good then.
| now it's tired and boring.
| floxy wrote:
| >it was good then. now it's tired and boring.
|
| It might be worth revisiting that music in a decade or two. My
| wife recently found an old Michael Jackson CD cleaning out an
| box of something in the garage. That sparked a let-me-listen to
| some more 70's and 80's music. Lot's of great "timeless"
| Michael Jackson songs. Not so much for Madonna for some reason.
| The Carpenter's and select ABBA gets a thumb's up from me as
| well.
| doublepg23 wrote:
| I love listening to pop-ier 80s acts that were sampled by
| vaporwave artists and my GenX dad (huge grunge guy) is
| puzzled why I like the dreck.
| tracerbulletx wrote:
| The trend towards flatting the curve with the preferred decade of
| music for each generation is cool to see. I had assumed this was
| happening anecdotally, but it looks like a pretty large effect
| here.
| TheTon wrote:
| From the article:
|
| "But 'American Idiot' wasn't a true act of revolution. In fact,
| the album was produced and promoted by a multinational
| conglomerate with the intent of packaging seemingly transgressive
| pop-punk acts for my exact demographic."
|
| This is sort of beside the point of the article, but I was just
| reading an interview[1] with Billie Joe Armstrong about this
| album and it doesn't sound like their process was anywhere as
| cynical as this take.
|
| On another note, I find Elton John's Rocket Hour on Apple Music
| to be refreshing in terms of how earnestly he approaches new
| music and new artists. If you haven't heard it, it's nothing like
| what you might expect based on the title. It's not "Elton plays
| songs from his back catalog and talks about them," but rather
| "Elton plays new songs you haven't heard by artists you haven't
| heard of yet, and interviews them as his peers."
|
| [1] https://www.billboard.com/music/rock/green-day-billie-joe-
| ar...
| cess11 wrote:
| A video essay about the social impact of American Idiot and
| similar records from that period:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehbgAGlrVKE
|
| Been a while but I thought it was pretty interesting when I
| watched it, coming from a black metal and punk background that
| was too underground when that pop cultural thing happened to
| notice.
| kleiba wrote:
| When I was in my teens, I really had nothing to do. Not that I
| was a loner - I was in a sports club and I had a pretty active
| social life. But the thing is - compared to having a job, the
| time I spent at school each day left me with so much more spare
| time than today [1], you gotta do _something_ with that. And my
| knowledge of music was still pretty limited, so of course
| exploring new styles of music and new bands was exciting! Plus,
| everyone of my friends was doing the same, and at that age, doing
| what the peer group does was very important...
|
| [1] By which I mean, having a day job, commuting back and forth,
| oh, and having a family with little kids, which basically means
| zero spare time.
| usrusr wrote:
| Very interesting to see these things observed in numbers.
| Impressive 80ies peak among us gen X!
|
| My music taste brain was initially formatted by that 1990ies idea
| of MTV mainstream vs independent (which paradoxically, also
| defined itself through existing on MTV, just in different
| niches), and from there it had been a slippery slope towards ever
| nichyer niche. Stuff where the big hits now have accumulated
| total Spotify plays in four-digit range, if they do exist there.
| When eventually I realized that winning at niche one-upmanship is
| a lonely celebration, what followed was mostly silence.
| chaosprint wrote:
| I feel like the more I listen to it, the less new patterns I
| find. In addition to auditory sensory stimulation, spiritual
| identification is also increasingly important, and the latter is
| not easy to be constantly fond of the new and dislike the old.
| UniverseHacker wrote:
| As a teenager it really bothered me that adults seemed to have
| lost the ability to appreciate good music simply because it was
| new- I vowed to make a point of regularly trying new music with
| an open mind as I grew older, and not to grow up like that. My
| own parents who loved good music when they were younger, and
| whose music tastes I could appreciate well, literally heard my
| music as basically random noise, and couldn't even process it...
| stuff that was deeply inspiring and meaningful to me. It seemed
| like such a loss and a shame that they were incapable of enjoying
| it.
|
| Overall, in my late 30s, I would say it's worked pretty well. I
| try to spend a decent amount of time sampling new music, and my
| music tastes have evolved a lot over time. In just the last two
| years I came to appreciate two entire new genre of music I had
| never really paid attention to, and listen to them a lot.
| Although, I will admit that most of my overall favorite music is
| still the same stuff I liked as a teenager.
|
| I think a lot of it is simply taking the time to sample new
| music, and to develop the mental pathways to process new music
| styles. Old people can do it just as well as young people, but
| generally, older people have less time and interest in doing so.
| Kids generally don't understand what its like to be a parent with
| a job, and how little free time adults have, and how precious it
| is to them.
|
| Also- regarding the author's comments on "American Idiot." I've
| always found it amusing how American capitalism loves to
| unironically sell people whatever they are willing to buy,
| especially including rebellious and anti-capitalist products and
| services, which are a big business overall. Reddit is currently
| worth 7 billion, and caters largely to people that like to
| complain to one another about how evil they feel capitalism is,
| and especially how evil Reddit in particular is.
| logtempo wrote:
| I think the same. And tbh, if music variations are finite, I'm
| quite sure it's big enough to fill my entire life with new
| song, sounds, arrangement, voices, lyrics...Also music is not
| only sound, but also performances.
| UniverseHacker wrote:
| Completely agree on performances... I've had a renewed
| appreciation for a lot of music after seeing it performed
| live (even on video), and/or hearing live album versions.
| _virtu wrote:
| On the other hand, I'm listening to a new album at least three
| times a week. Using tools like last.fm and some private trackers
| helps to keep things fresh. Never give up on finding that next
| tune!
| cchi_co wrote:
| And the feeling when you find something...
| UrineSqueegee wrote:
| most likely never is the answer.
| amanaplanacanal wrote:
| I must be some sort of freak.
|
| I grew up in the 60's and 70's listening to classic rock, and a
| lot of it I can't even stand any more due to the incredibly small
| playlists that most classic rock stations use.
|
| In my 20's I started listening to a lot of classical and then
| jazz. In the 90's a lot of grunge which's I still love. After
| that was trance in the 2000's, then ambient, techno and IDM after
| that. I still listen to all of these genres today depending on my
| mood.
| Zancarius wrote:
| I don't think you're completely alone, but you're probably
| statistically insignificant (don't worry, I'm right there with
| you).
|
| Like you, I can't stand the music I grew up with all that much
| (maybe a few songs here and there), but I went through the
| trance/electronic fixation in the 2000s. Now it's almost
| anything that I enjoy, which probably doesn't say much, but I'm
| presently listening to some chillstep and was listening to
| metal covers of the sea shanties "Santiana" and "Roll the Old
| Chariot Along." A few weeks ago, I was listening to Norse-
| inspired works by Einar Selvik.
|
| I can't imagine we're that statistically significant or if
| streaming may have some impact on availability and interest.
| I'm unwilling to believe it's a personality trait, for
| instance. (For another data point, I was born in the early
| 80s.)
| doublerabbit wrote:
| Anecdotally for me it's that music is now more complex the
| simplicity of older music just doesn't please the senses as
| it did back then.
|
| Kind of the same feeling where you upgrade to two monitors
| and if you have to use a workstation with one just isn't the
| same.
| RIMR wrote:
| I actually wonder if staying receptive to new music into or
| past middle age is enhanced by autism. I am a male on the
| spectrum, in my late 30's, and absolutely nothing about this
| article rings true to me. I generally operate on a 5 year
| cycle where I completely reinvent my musical interests, stop
| enjoying lots of tracks that I used to love (I hate just
| about eveything I loved at 14), and hang onto a handful of
| tracks that I consider timeless.
|
| I am already feeling myself reach the end of one of these
| cycles where I am digging through netlabels and indie
| internet radio stations looking for the next niche subgenre
| to become addicted to.
| downWidOutaFite wrote:
| Im much the same, but today I'm constantly in the search for
| anything new, anything in any genre that breaks the well-worn
| formulae and surprises me, but it's honestly hard to find,
| everything is derivative.
| cchi_co wrote:
| I go through periods like that
| winternett wrote:
| I listen to anything new I can get my hands on without a bunch
| of ads disrupting the vibe.. YouTube is my favorite music
| resource these days, as the videos are better in telling me
| more about whether an artist is genuine (non Ai, and non-
| industry-plant).
|
| The genre is not really defining in most cases for me, because
| so much is mislabeled, or not even labeled at all, and I've
| found in searching music by genre, that most of the
| recommendations are flooded with SEO spam, and typically never
| the best music within the genre to begin with...
|
| Ai recommendations will also primarily be based on what makes
| platforms and their partners the most money, which is often
| coincidentally the generic sounding pop drivel we're all so
| used to being played in every retail outlet around us, the best
| music I've noticed is often hidden below 10k views or less.
| bigthymer wrote:
| I think we have the same taste from the 2000s on. If you had to
| recommend one artist\track I probably haven't heard of yet,
| which would it be?
| patchorang wrote:
| I have a very similar history as well, so jumping in. You've
| probably heard of the artist, John Frusciante. But probably
| not the album, Maya.
|
| The guitarist for RHCP is making the best modern IDM.
| readingnews wrote:
| I find this very interesting, as my path is nearly identical,
| with the added note (like some other replies) that I just can
| not stand 60s-70s rock any longer... but I find my musical
| interests are much wider, and I am listening to more new music
| than ever before (trance, IDM, experimental, jazz, classical).
|
| I do know people who turn on some streaming service and
| basically listen to the same genre all day long. I am not sure
| how they do it. Maybe we are in some small demographic that
| goes nuts if we do not discover new music?
| bsder wrote:
| > I can't even stand any more due to the incredibly small
| playlists that most classic rock stations use.
|
| That's _every bloody station_ nowadays. It doesn 't matter if
| its radio, SiriusXM, Spotify, or whatever they _all_ degenerate
| into a small number of repeated songs.
|
| I _loathe_ this pigeonholing. It makes finding something new
| you might like _REALLY_ hard.
|
| For example, I don't want an "80s station" with the same old
| crap. How about a station that plays all the songs released
| since 1990 by those 80s artists? Nope. Nada.
|
| Or, how about just the _other tracks_ from the same albums.
| Sure, you 've heard "Faithfully" from Journey's "Frontiers"
| album a zillion times and hate it. Have you heard "Chain
| Reaction", "Edge of the Blade" or "Frontiers" from the album?
| Bet you haven't and if you hate their sappy ballads you're
| likely to enjoy those tracks.
|
| Or, God forbid, brand new artists that sound like what you
| want. Try coughing up Blossoms from liking 80s. You might get
| there if you really work by starting from the very specific
| "jangle pop" angle.
|
| Ever heard _anything_ from "Blackstar" out in public? I know I
| sure haven't.
|
| However, I would also argue that music is simply a _LOT_ less
| important to today 's youth. It's background noise while doing
| some other activity and not an activity in and unto itself.
| 48864w6ui wrote:
| The local oldies station plays 1950-2004 (now-20) and does
| seem to delve a little past top 40 from time to time.
| tayo42 wrote:
| Why's the writer listening to james blunt still, that your
| beautiful song sucked when it came out too lol
|
| I used to be really into music, writing, releasing, curating
| everything. But yeah around my 30s idk, i lost interest i guess
| like any other hobby. I listen to podcasts now when I drive. In
| my 20s finding music was like hard work. I went through a lot
| music all the time.
|
| One thing I think is interesting is older music seems to be
| sticking around more. Like maybe in the 60s and on more timeless
| music was written? like in 2000, Idk anyone that listened to 40s
| or really 50s music, music that would be 50-60 years old at the
| time. But in the 2020s, 1960s, 70s, 80s music is still around. I
| think still has a lot of cultural relevancy. Or maybe the kids
| today don't care about the beatles or jimi hendrix? I find that
| hard to believe though. In 20 more years are we going to say
| Queen and ACDC sucked and never listen to it again?
|
| What do rebelious kids and angsty teens listen to now? Who are
| the red hot chili peppers, and weezers and blink182s right now.
| latentcall wrote:
| My old process (still the same) was going on RateYourMusic and
| looking at the user lists. If a list has a title that resonates
| with me I tend to find some really cool albums in there. I'll
| listen to a sample on YT and grab it on Soulseek, and if I really
| like the album I buy it on vinyl.
|
| I used Spotify for 10 years or so and it never seemed good at
| recommending me music. Within the last two years I cancelled my
| subscription and have returned to the old ways.
|
| The sad thing is, life is too short to hear all the amazing music
| out there!
| _whiteCaps_ wrote:
| I was looking forward to my kids introducing me to new music as
| I've stagnated. Their favourites?
|
| - Nirvana - Weezer - Blink 182 - Jimmy Eat World
|
| :-/
|
| (although my new favourite band is The Beaches)
| cchi_co wrote:
| Overall, music plays its own specific role for each person. For
| some, music is a significant part of life, almost like a whole
| life, while for others, it's simply meant to be in the
| background.
| ThrowawayTestr wrote:
| My music tastes were pretty much static since highschool until I
| started using Spotify 5 years ago
| TedHerman wrote:
| Not being a user of Spotify nor other services, I can only say
| that I continue to find new music in each decade. And I like much
| of newer music better than the old classics (which is saying
| something because I started listening in the 1960s). Thus what
| Parris says doesn't speak to me.
| llsf wrote:
| Funny, when I was maybe 10yo, I got scared when I realized that
| given the number of notes is finite, the number of different
| melodies would be too, and so we would have one day to put new
| lyrics on old melodies.
| m463 wrote:
| I wonder... that was about the age when I found out:
|
| "twinkle twinkle little star" = "abc song"
| vundercind wrote:
| A story especially for you:
|
| http://spiderrobinson.com/melancholyelephants.html
| esafak wrote:
| Since song have no time limit, and notes can be combined in
| numerous ways to form chords, there is no limit to the number
| of melodies. And that's before you consider musical
| temperaments.
| javajosh wrote:
| For those interested in finding new music, let me strongly
| recommend some good radio station youtube channels. KEXP and KCRW
| both come time mind. In that vein, sometimes you can find good
| new music through labels. For example, 4AD. I'm not sure why, but
| YouTube often suggests good stuff seemingly at random, especially
| in the electronica genre. Radio stations have music only streams
| on their websites, too. I've often found artists I like going to
| local shows and paying attention to who _they_ like. YMMV
|
| It also helps to pay attention to the bands you like and where
| they end up. For example, the band Marriages split up and Emma
| Ruth Rundle went solo and the guitarist started Drab Majesty.
| tzs wrote:
| For people in their mid-30s and beyond I think a big factor in
| them commonly perceiving that today's popular music sucks
| compared to the popular music of their teens and twenties is that
| when they listen to music from their younger days _now_ it is a
| small subset of what they were actually listening to back then.
|
| For example my teens and twenties were in the '70s and '80s. If I
| decide I want to listen to music from those times now I would
| probably mostly listen to Cat Stevens, Neil Young, The Who, The
| Ramones, The Dickies, The B-52s, Devo, Queen, The Urban Verbs,
| The Beatles, The Beach Boys, Bob Dylan, Pink Floyd, The Grateful
| Dead, The Moody Blues, Kansas, The Clash, The Dead Kennedys, Kate
| Bush, Synergy, Jean-Michel Jarre, Talking Heads, and a few I'm
| forgetting.
|
| If I decide I want to listen to some current popular music I
| might listen to something the the Billboard Hot 100 playlist on
| Spotify.
|
| Of course I'm going to find that nearly everything on there is
| not nearly as good as the music from artists listed above.
|
| But I'd find the same thing if instead of today's Billboard Hot
| 100 I listened to a playlist of a Billboard Hot 100 list from the
| '70s or '80s, or listened to a recording of a random day's
| broadcast of a '70s or '80s popular music radio station.
|
| And I'm sure that in 2040 if I ask someone who is 37 to make me a
| playlist of music from 2024 (when they were 21) that playlist is
| going to sound a lot better to me than the 2024 music I hear now
| when I decide to check out current music.
|
| Just like my list above is the '70-80s artists that I'm still
| listening to 50 years later, that 37 year old's playlist will be
| the 2024 music that he's still listening to 16 years later.
| listenallyall wrote:
| The more time passes, the fewer relics from earlier eras
| survive and stay relevant, like a funnel.
| 48864w6ui wrote:
| Are you including Tom Tom Club in Talking Heads?
| LegitShady wrote:
| a lot of this is your choices. You may be choosing to engage
| less with new music.
|
| I spend at least an hour each week doing something that I can
| also listen to new music at the same time, and I add it to my
| favorites, so that those dark AI recommendations start adding
| similar recommendations to my listening mixes. I don't listen
| to top 100 because by and large I don't like it. In modern
| music my taste has shifted away from prog rock and classic into
| techno/psytrance/etc. All it took was spending a bit of time
| looking, every week, to enrich my taste in music and make sure
| I wasn't repeating the stuff I heard on the radio growing up
| forever.
|
| It's up to you to do it. It's your choice to make.
| PaulHoule wrote:
| I listened to the radio and watched music videos (Boston had an
| OTA channel that was like MTV) as a teen, and was the public
| relations officer and then engineer at the KTEK college radio
| station, which exposed me to more music.
|
| In my 20s though I was in grad school and monomaniacally focused
| on my work and I avoided mass culture almost completely. Around
| the time I turned 30 I got interested in new music again and it
| was first east coast hip hop (KRS One, M.F. Doom) then
| psychedelia and classic rock adjacent music (by that time I was
| really sick and tired of overplayed classic rock, one time I was
| tripping on acid at 2 am and called up the local college station
| to complain about the Doobie Brothers song they played that is on
| a twice a day during drive time and the program manager picked
| up, I told him to play what he thought was good music and he put
| on Miles Davis.)
|
| Since then I have had pulses of being interested in "new" (to me)
| music but it's usually been a bit old. The last round has been
| the Super Furry Animals (Mwng for the win!) and similar UK bands
| like The Charlatans. I just found out that I like some of Cyndi
| Lauper's later albums. Before that it was early Japanese
| electronica like Yellow Magic Orchestra and Isao Tomita. Before
| that _Synthesizer_ by Information Society was a revelation.
|
| Recently my son got into the big hits of Fleetwood Mac but I was
| amazed that they made a lot of music before they hit it big and
| some of it I like.
|
| I don't listen to a lot of "new" music in the sense of "released
| in the last few years" and I'd be inclined to blame the
| prevalence of auto-tune for that. People I know in the music
| industry make all sorts of excuses ("Don't you like the vocoders
| on Daft Punk?", "... look I like the vocoders in Laurie
| Anderson's work and in Neil Young's *Trans&", "Isn't T-Pain
| talented?", "... I got no problem with T-Pain, I've got a problem
| with all the other rappers who sound like T-Pain") but if I hear
| something on the radio that is auto-tuned I'm pretty quick to
| change the channel.
|
| My next project is to learn something about traditional and
| contemporary Chinese music.
| lapcat wrote:
| I find it interesting that GenZ and Millennials show a much
| smaller preference for their own decade's music.
| https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_pr...
|
| The 1980s are still doing quite well among all but the oldest
| generation.
|
| Is it possible that music may actually be getting worse?
| Corporatized, consolidated, computerized.
|
| Look at Hollywood now too: everything is a sequel, prequel,
| remake, reboot, or adaptation. There's hardly anything original
| anymore.
| redwall_hp wrote:
| Music has become more stratified. The 90s through the present
| have been an ongoing escalation of music being democratized
| more and more, from the rise of the DAW in the late 90s to
| iTunes and P2P sharing to YouTube and music streaming. So there
| is vastly more music now, and people have more opportunity to
| find things that suit their tastes.
|
| People listen to a wider variety of music and the same
| Billboard notion of popularity doesn't really paint a useful
| picture anymore. What plays on the radio or in TV ads is the
| lowest common denominator corporate waffle, and is played
| heavily, but it doesn't represent what people listen to
| overall.
|
| I have personal playlists of everything from House music and
| 90s Eurodance to all kinds of J-Pop to 19th century folk music
| to early 2000s rock to 80s synth pop to orchestral music. I
| couldn't name a single Taylor Swift song offhand, but
| apparently she's pretty big.
| detourdog wrote:
| This seems like a really good take on the situation. I
| usually disagree that discoverability as a problem.
| Discoverability could be why my tastes have stagnated.
| detourdog wrote:
| I certainly have plenty of biased but late 70s early 80s seems
| like a really good era. Especially because it was so diverse
| and not dominated by a single sound.
| r1b wrote:
| Outlier here (musician, spend hours per week trying to find new
| music) - some thoughts:
|
| - The search space for music is really large and noisy. Most of
| the stuff out there isn't very good, and the stuff that is good
| isn't always discoverable with a single strategy - The best
| strategies almost always exploit human connections
|
| Some strategies I use:
|
| - Spatial locality, who is performing with or near artists that I
| like? - Publishing locality, who is on the same label as an
| artist that I like? - Artist locality, what other projects has an
| artist I like contributed to? - Fan locality, what other artists
| does a fan of an artist that I like enjoy?
|
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|
| Note that none of these strategies are as effective as
| "relinquish control". For example, there is a freeform radio
| station near me that I listen to all day at work. I have a rule
| that I won't turn the radio off in the middle of a DJs set, even
| if I don't like a song. This has helped me "break through" to
| interesting artists I wouldn't have discovered otherwise.
|
| To the article's question, I think the main factor here doesn't
| have much to do with music. Cultural production has exploded, and
| it's really hard to navigate any cultural space in a non-
| obsessive way.
|
| I thought it was interesting that the effect of "generational
| preference for music released when teenaged" seemed to wane
| around Gen Z. I wonder if this is just exhaustion, perhaps with
| tendencies towards pastiche as a consequence.
| esafak wrote:
| A good reminder for parents to push beyond their comfort zones
| when playing music with their children, otherwise they will take
| the path of least resistance: popular music.
| haunter wrote:
| I've only been listening to the BBC Essential Mix since ~2005.
| Pretty much nothing else, it's always about the latest music and
| trends (especially if it's something from the UK like dubstep,
| grim etc.). 2x2 hour episodes are absolutely perfect for a week
| (there's a Classic show where they play the old ones again)
| garrickvanburen wrote:
| There was a time when SXSW released one track from each featured
| artist on a massive torrent. That kept me going on new music for
| nearly the entire year. Repeat.
| brcmthrowaway wrote:
| FOllow Professor Skye's Music rewview.
| davidw wrote:
| That Say Anything scene... originally was going to use a Fishbone
| song, because Cusack is apparently a big fan. It didn't really
| work for the scene though.
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Say_Anything...#Cultural_influ...
|
| Coincidentally, Fishbone was part of the wave of awesome music in
| the early 1990ies when I was finding new music because there was
| good music and before music started not being quite so good any
| more.
|
| It's such an amazing coincidence that they made the good music
| right when I was young. I got lucky, I guess.
| Yaggo wrote:
| My #1 source for finding new music: teen-aged daughter
| thom wrote:
| I listened to a lot of Apple Music recommendations while getting
| my three kids to sleep over the years. I would say that in my 40s
| I'm discovering more new music, and music I genuinely love, than
| I did in all my teens. I don't get to go to a lot of gigs, but I
| go to one big festival a year and it's the bands in a tiny font
| that I get excited about. Yeah most stuff is shit, but there's
| just so much of everything.
| dools wrote:
| Yeah I'm more open minded now than I was when I was younger.
| All my taste seems to stem from the same roots (for example I
| like a wide variety of electronic music but the common thread
| is sounds and/or harmonies rooted in funk/soul/jazz/blues) but
| when I was a teenager I was only interested in rap music.
| JansjoFromIkea wrote:
| I don't believe music was better in my day but I do think the
| older you get the harder it is to find things that sound truly
| fresh (e.g. someone like black midi would probably blow me away
| if I was 16 now but instead they just keep reminding me of
| various acts I've heard before years ago)
|
| Similarly I find myself being a lot more interested in competent
| but not especially ambitious late period albums by acts where
| their comfort with knowing what their sound is and how to play
| with it can be the main source of interest.
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