[HN Gopher] TrueNAS Core versus TrueNAS Scale
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TrueNAS Core versus TrueNAS Scale
Author : vermaden
Score : 22 points
Date : 2024-04-19 22:44 UTC (1 days ago)
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| nicolaslem wrote:
| This reads like the ramblings of someone salty about the move to
| linux, nothing very interesting in my opinion.
| tonoto wrote:
| Ok. Your comment brought nothing very interesting in my humble
| opinion. What's your opinion on the move? What particularly
| makes sense to move Trueness to Linux?
| arch1e wrote:
| FreeBSD has its merits, but comparing its jails to Docker isn't
| entirely fair. Many applications well-suited for systems like
| TrueNAS often lack documentation for running within a FreeBSD
| jail, or on FreeBSD in general--Jellyfin is a case in point.
|
| Additionally, I recently attempted to install FreeBSD on my
| ThinkPad, which has an Intel Wi-Fi chip, and found that software
| support remains lacking. This extends to other features like
| Widevine, making it impossible to use streaming services such as
| Netflix, Prime Video, or Spotify.
|
| For FreeBSD to approach even a fraction of Linux' mainstream
| adoption, significant development and support improvements are
| necessary.
| danpalmer wrote:
| Docker was primarily a UI and UX benefit, and that's very well
| aligned with the market, skills, documentation, etc.
|
| I can't imagine that the market for people that care TrueNAS is
| on FreeBSD, prefer Jails to Docker, and know how to set up all
| their software in Jails, but aren't doing their own FreeBSD +
| ZFS setup from scratch and depend on TrueNAS, is more than a
| handful of people.
| washadjeffmad wrote:
| Hey, there are dozens of us.
|
| I got tired of how corporatized Linux has gotten a few years
| ago, ported a bunch of personal projects and services to
| FreeBSD jails, and haven't looked back.
|
| Features aren't 1:1, but slimming down my Linux hosts has
| massively decreased the amount of time I have to spend
| administrating instead of working.
| doublerabbit wrote:
| > For FreeBSD to approach even a fraction of Linux' mainstream
| adoption, significant development and support improvements are
| necessary.
|
| Which exactly? Because this isn't a fair argument.
|
| "FreeBSD doesn't work with my WiFi chip" because 95% of the
| time it's because vendors never push support for the OS.
|
| Remember ten years ago when vendors didn't even support Linux?
|
| I recall the days when WiFi was pretty much non-existent on
| Linux. I'm sick of the blaming FreeBSD gets for something that
| they have no control over.
|
| Everything Linux can do, I can do in FreeBSD. What are you
| missing from FreeBSD?
|
| Docker is always shouted loudest; DevOp gibberish for laziness;
| in not creating efficient applications that could run
| elsewhere. The overhead and tech debt for Docker is atrocious,
| not forgetting security, but you don't need to worry about that
| as long you have a shiny button that starts a container.
|
| This isn't FreeBSD's problem; and when if it is, there's
| probably an alternative and a better one at that. Blame the
| product for not supporting thas requiring additional
| engineering that costs resources.
|
| > This extends to other features like Widevine, making it
| impossible to use streaming services such as Netflix, Prime
| Video, or Spotify.
|
| This isn't FreeBSD's fault.
|
| > Widevine is a proprietary digital rights management (DRM)
| system developed by Google.
|
| Google is the culprit here; they could support FreeBSD but
| refuse to. So you can't blame FreeBSD and that FreeBSD doesn't
| bend over to Google is ++.
|
| I'm watching South Park right now on Paramount Plus just fine
| via a PreSonus Pre-Amp, with four screens on XFCE and a glass
| of wine. Heck, if I turn on my TV I can instantly connect to my
| DNLA server that runs on my home machine in a jail.
|
| Netflix and all other DRM platforms can work just fine via
| Google Chrome with Linux Compat installed requiring no other
| requirements which is pretty amazing in my eyes. [0]
|
| [0] https://github.com/mrclksr/linux-browser-installer
|
| The fact that FreeBSD has the ability to do something as cool
| as that makes it to my books. I can use Linux in FreeBSD, yet
| can't use FreeBSD in Linux without a VM, how boring.
|
| My servers in colocation have solidity in uptime, I can't fault
| it, but maybe I'm bias. FreeBSD is my daily driver.
|
| Server: 11:11PM up 790 days, 19:38, 8 users, load averages:
| 0.31, 0.32, 0.27
|
| There's no requirement in needing to reboot, Linux, yeah I
| understand the need to. FreeBSD, nah. I should, but not
| concerned. I have multiple jails running bHyve virtual machines
| all with the same amount of uptime. I'm sure this will make
| folk froth at the mouth, why should I reboot when in the past
| 790 days, when I've had no issues? And I'm sure CVE's exist for
| all the packages that I'm not running which would be running on
| Linux.
|
| Everything is isolated to a jail and with the server only
| running jails, that's firewalled off to the world with it's own
| efficient network stack - show me Linux doing the same.
|
| PC:
|
| 11:22PM up 15 days, 3:36, 3 users, load averages: 0.53, 0.55,
| 0.82
|
| Show me something where FreeBSD has been refusing on
| implementing as there has been a reason to why Sony, Nintendo,
| NASA, Apple and more have all used source of BSD to power their
| core of their products.
| nacho-daddy wrote:
| This is why I read HN. Where else would I get exposure to a cult
| this small, with this much passion for something so obscure.
| Thank you for bringing a smile to my face and restoring my faith
| in nerds.
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