[HN Gopher] A mile-long lava tube where humans sheltered for tho...
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A mile-long lava tube where humans sheltered for thousands of years
Author : pseudolus
Score : 115 points
Date : 2024-04-18 00:54 UTC (2 days ago)
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| adolph wrote:
| Source paper:
| https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...
| ncgl wrote:
| The practice of rephrasing to get your word count up really irks
| me.
|
| "Today, wolves, foxes, and snakes inhabit the cave, but it was
| once a popular spot for human pastoralists and their domesticated
| animals."
|
| "Rather, they think it was a convenient spot for herders to stop
| and provide their flocks with shade and water."
|
| "Even though humans didn't have a permanent presence in the lava
| tube, the natural structure provided shelter for people and their
| herds for thousands of years"
| aster0id wrote:
| The verbosity reminds me of ChatGPT generated text
| temporalparts wrote:
| Where did you think ChatGPT got their training data?
| cj wrote:
| Doesn't matter.
|
| Generalizing topics and/or adding caveats about how
| something may not always be true is the easiest way for a
| LLM to increase the rate of providing factually accurate
| responses (aside from refusing to answer). Both of those
| strategies requires being more verbose.
|
| Concise and to the point is not in the best interest of a
| LLM designed to give decent answers 99% of the time.
| mk_stjames wrote:
| I also believe that OpenAI's RLHF process highly biased
| the model towards producing that sort of specific
| verbose, padded-out 'chatGPT speak' that we are seeing.
| The RLHF fine tuning process took outputs from the
| instruction-tuned model and A/B tested variations with
| human workers who may or may not have had the same
| feelings towards writing quality as many of us.
|
| The process resulted in those verbose, interjection-laden
| responses that we see now, because that type of response
| was deemed 'better' (thumbs-up'd more) than the shorter,
| more-direct-but-less-impressive-sounding responses.
| philipswood wrote:
| My chats usually start with:
|
| >Hi again :wave:.
|
| >As always I prefer terse replies.
|
| >Let's <context of activity>
|
| ><First question>
|
| I usually then get short answers and then I query for
| more info if required.
| bigDinosaur wrote:
| Set a custom instruction (I think only a ChatGPT paid
| option?). But $20 a month or whatever is easily worth it
| for the utility it provides.
| whereistimbo wrote:
| It is fine enough for me as my English skill is bad enough to
| notice these things.
| bugbuddy wrote:
| to not* notice
| cogman10 wrote:
| Gotta have 8 paragraphs so they can squeeze in 20 ads.
| seemaze wrote:
| Maybe my dns blacklist needs updating, but the ads were so
| bad I bailed.
| walrus01 wrote:
| ublock origin browser plugin and I saw zero ads
| naikrovek wrote:
| Congratulations
| Simulacra wrote:
| Maybe, it could also just be professional immaturity. It seems
| more written by a college student than a seasoned journalist.
| 082349872349872 wrote:
| I don't know about you all, but rather than commercial
| commentary I'd prefer if we submitted the papers:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40092285
| mensetmanusman wrote:
| The quality of news peaked about 20 years ago after search
| killed monetization. There is no going back.
| chickenchase-r wrote:
| Gizmodo and anything gawker media is utter and total junk,
| pushing Disney media and other hidden agenda. Was irked when I
| accidentally clicked it, I block it on almost all my systems to
| avoid feeding the beast.
| barfbagginus wrote:
| They're a gizmodo writer. An attention predator. If they cared
| about producing genuine values for humanity, they would not be
| working in attention predator journalism
|
| Therefore don't expect their writing to improve from your
| criticism. It's designed to take, not give.
|
| I like to stop reading these kinds of authors as soon as I
| realize I'm experiencing a memetic attention attack. Then I
| write a snarky comment so others will start to hate them as
| well.
| ern wrote:
| Spoiler alert: it was a shelter for people moving herds between
| oases, and doesn't seem to have had a permanent population.
| alex_young wrote:
| "Humans sheltered for thousands of years" isn't quite right.
| Humans stopped by and used this shelter from time to time for
| thousands of years.
| UberFly wrote:
| "I've lived in my house for 20 years"
| stoperaticless wrote:
| Depepends, if you want to introduce ambiguitity or remove it.
| mkl wrote:
| The location:
| https://www.google.com/maps/@25.5879436,39.7629388,1317m/dat...
|
| If you zoom out there are a crapload of lava flows and volcanic
| craters nearby. A bit to the east there is this landscape:
| https://www.google.com/maps/@25.6327898,39.9400629,22944m/da...
| seemaze wrote:
| Reminds me of the Sierra Pinacate on the Sonora/Arizona border.
| It has human history going back more than 20,000 years.
| seemaze wrote:
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Pinacate_y_Gran_Desierto_.
| ..
| twobitshifter wrote:
| Seems like it would make a good sietch.
| KingOfCoders wrote:
| Looks like Jabbas palace.
| spurgu wrote:
| I went to Cueva de los Verdes in Lanzarote (Canaries) somewhat
| recently, it's 3.7 miles long (plus another mile under sea
| level).
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cueva_de_los_Verdes
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