[HN Gopher] AltStore PAL, the first alternative app marketplace ...
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AltStore PAL, the first alternative app marketplace on iPhone, is
available now
Author : HelenePhisher
Score : 131 points
Date : 2024-04-17 17:16 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| daveidol wrote:
| Is there any plan to distribute Delta via the App Store in the US
| now that emulators are officially allowed?
|
| Or is Delta being used mainly as the incentive to use AltStore?
| lxgr wrote:
| It's already there (everywhere except in the EU, apparently)!
| daveidol wrote:
| Really? I can't find it on the US store currently
| nerdjon wrote:
| https://apps.apple.com/us/app/delta-game-
| emulator/id10485246...
|
| It is there.
|
| According to the verge it is also identical:
| https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/17/24132984/delta-free-
| emula...
|
| Curious why it is not available in the EU on the App Store
| (if it really isn't, I can't confirm)
| HelenePhisher wrote:
| It really isn't.
| lxgr wrote:
| Presumably to encourage people to subscribe to the
| AltStore, which doesn't feel like a very classy move.
| (Update below - it might be because of Apple's CTF.)
|
| This is in addition to a somewhat dubious licensing
| clause on the Delta GitHub repo that violates the GPL,
| under which most of the emulator cores it uses are
| licensed: https://github.com/rileytestut/Delta/issues/296
|
| On the other hand, due to how Apple's EU "compliance" is
| implemented (opting into the new business terms is all-
| or-nothing per legal entity, not per account), I believe
| it might be impossible for the developer to now publish
| any apps in the EU App Store without paying the CTF
| anyway, so it does all go back to Apple's malicious
| compliance in the end.
| kmeisthax wrote:
| Regarding Delta and AGPLv3: I'm not entirely convinced
| the current Delta terms are actually in violation of
| AGPLv3.
|
| For context:
|
| > Due to the licensing of emulator cores used by Delta, I
| have no choice but to distribute Delta under the AGPLv3
| license. That being said, I explicitly give permission
| for anyone to use, modify, and distribute all my original
| code for this project in any form, with or without
| attribution, without fear of legal consequences -- unless
| you plan to submit your app to Apple's App Store, in
| which case written permission from me is explicitly
| required. Dependencies remain under their original
| licenses.
|
| Basically, "I grant you the combined work under AGPLv3,
| plus an exception for my original code." You can make use
| of the exception iff either that original code is
| separable from the rest of the work or all other involved
| copyright holders grant identical exceptions. The "No
| further restrictions" clause can _only_ apply to code
| that Riley Testut does not own and is using under the
| AGPLv3 license.
| moritz64 wrote:
| Just tried, it is not available in the German App Store
| aprilnya wrote:
| App Store has this quirk where, when a brand new app
| releases, it doesn't show up in search results for a bit.
| So if you're ever trying to find an app that just released,
| try going to a link instead of using the App Store's search
| rwbt wrote:
| Love the 'PAL' reference - just like how many in North America
| were pining for the PAL video standard (initially Europe but
| later entire world except North America) but we were stuck with
| NTSC (and doubled down).
| lxgr wrote:
| On the other hand, many cool games never made it to the PAL
| region, and a lot of PAL ports (and video releases) got
| technically botched in some way.
| talldayo wrote:
| There's a sad bit of irony that the year is 2024 and the game
| console in your pocket could feasibly run anything you want,
| but the OEM region-locked it again.
| nfriedly wrote:
| I initially thought of my RG35XX+ when I read "the game
| console in your pocket" and thought "no, it's not region
| locked". Then I realized this was a discussion about
| iPhones and yes, they are region locked now.
|
| But, FWIW, I've been really happy with acmeplus's beta of
| Batocera Linux on my RG35XX+. My son and I have been taking
| turns playing through old gems like Pokemon and Aladdin on
| it, and I'm hoping to finally beat Final Fantasy VII one of
| these days.
| kernal wrote:
| Most, if not all, emulators ignore / bypass region locking.
| I've yet to come across any emulator that strictly enforces
| it
| giobox wrote:
| Really? As someone who grew up with PAL, we were pining for
| your 60fps NTSC output, especially in fast games like beatem-
| ups etc (PAL is 50).
|
| I still remember the first time I saw an imported Japanese PS1
| playing Teken 2, and how much smoother it looked on NTSC. I
| could never look at my PAL copy the same way again, I couldn't
| unsee the NTSC version. For me personally, those extra 10
| frames trump the extra 100 scanlines in PAL etc.
| rwbt wrote:
| I think gamers preferred NTSC (and 60Hz) but video/movie
| buffs adored PAL (higher resolution and 25fps being closer to
| film).
| glhaynes wrote:
| Honest question: is 25fps a net positive over 29.97 for
| 24fps content? No 3:2 pulldown judder/tearing, but
| speed/pitch are wrong. (Not to mention color differences,
| necessity of a tint knob, etc etc.) I don't recall having
| heard it discussed; wouldn't surprise me if some types of
| content are better on each system or it simply comes down
| to how relatively much the particular person is bothered by
| the downsides of each.
| giobox wrote:
| It was kind of a non-issue at the time, for the simple
| reason the DVD format used by all the players only
| supported PAL 25fps or NTSC 29.976 IIRC. There was very
| few "official" ways to get native 24fps content into the
| home until Blu-Ray, and by then many TVs offered a 24p
| mode to go with it. Neither PAL nor NTSC is ideal for
| 24fps content.
| glhaynes wrote:
| Yeah but what I was interested in was what people who
| came into contact with both considered superior. I'm
| gonna nip back across the pond tomorrow so should I watch
| my Betamax movie tonight or wait until after my Concorde
| lands? :)
| toast0 wrote:
| I always wanted to watch movies just a bit faster. (and yes,
| with more consistent color, and a higher vertical resolution)
|
| Although, I'm sure US commercial TV stations frame drop movies
| to speed them up so they can insert more commercials these days
| anyway.
| reaperducer wrote:
| _Although, I 'm sure US commercial TV stations frame drop
| movies to speed them up so they can insert more commercials
| these days anyway._
|
| I can't say how it's done today, but at the TV station where
| I worked in the 1990's, we did. But we never dropped frames
| of content. That would cause all kinds of copyright and
| contract problems.
|
| We did, however, drop frames of black and superblack. In an
| average hour, we were able to get back enough frames to
| insert an extra 15-second commercial at the top of the hour.
| lycos wrote:
| Delta for free in the regular App Store everywhere but the EU
| where we have to download a paid app store to install it, so it
| begins.
| nerdjon wrote:
| Right?
|
| This is exactly what I have been worried about and people tried
| to explain to tell me that, no this doesn't remove choice from
| me as a user.
|
| When in fact it does, if I was in the EU (and if the US does
| something similar, likely here) if I wanted to download this I
| would have to use their store. The choice is being made for me
| by the developer.
|
| It didn't take long to already have an example of this
| happening and bigger companies will likely follow suit.
|
| So how exactly does this benefit users again and isn't all
| about appeasing developers?
| talldayo wrote:
| Because... the developer didn't swallow Apple's fee for you?
|
| Your decision is to pay Apple's fee that they claim is fair,
| or not use the app. I don't really see how we can shake our
| fists at the developers and publishers for not sponsoring the
| distribution of their FOSS app. It's very clearly the Unity-
| esque installation fee that is the problem here.
| nerdjon wrote:
| Um... no where did I mention anything about the fee...
|
| They could have put the app on the app store on the EU and
| on their store. But did not.
| littlestymaar wrote:
| They tried to put their app on the App store since 2016!
| Apple refused, for EIGHT years! Then they developed their
| own version of an indie app store so that they can
| actually distribute the emulator because of that.
|
| Apple only allowed it to be published on the app store
| TODAY, just the day of the release of the AltStore
| because they are trying to make a point, the malice is on
| Apple's side here. But the comments here make it sounds
| like it works on their all most hardcore fanbase.
| nerdjon wrote:
| I think it was last week we were talking about a
| different emulator that was approved, so let's not try to
| jump to conclusions about why Apple may or may not have
| done something.
|
| I have not seen anything that the release on the App
| Store was held up by apple and that this wasn't just
| instead an simultaneous release on both platforms by the
| developer.
|
| Yes Apple did not previously allow this until they
| changed their policy recently to allow emulation (which I
| think was about a month ago).
|
| This does not change the fact that the developer is
| choosing to put the app on the App Store everywhere
| except for the EU, and in the EU you have to use their
| store.
| littlestymaar wrote:
| > I have not seen anything that the release on the App
| Store was held up by apple and that this wasn't just
| instead an simultaneous release on both platforms by the
| developer.
|
| See this commit from 3 years ago[1]! On Delta's Repo:
|
| > Delta was originally developed under the impression
| Apple would allow it into the App Store. Unfortunately
| Apple later changed their minds, leaving me no choice but
| to find a new way to distribute Delta. Long story short,
| this led me to create AltStore, which now serves as the
| official way to install Delta onto your device.
|
| The main reason why you "have not seen anything that the
| release on the App Store was held up by apple" is that
| because you did not want to see it, because it goes
| against your believes (believes that have been
| manufactured by Apple's propaganda machine).
|
| > Yes Apple did not previously allow this until they
| changed their policy recently to allow emulation (which I
| think was about a month ago).
|
| And guess why their changed their policy? Because of DMA
| put them in an untenable posture.
|
| > This does not change the fact that the developer is
| choosing to put the app on the App Store everywhere
| except for the EU, and in the EU you have to use their
| store.
|
| That's a genuine "fuck you Apple" move, which is
| understandable given how much "fuck you Delta" Apple gave
| them before, but it's also a bit of a problem. But here
| again this is 100% on Apple! They can 100% ban this kind
| of things by adding a policy to the app store that says
| "If you want to distribute on the App store outside of
| the EU, you have to provide your software on the app
| store in the EU as well" even if that doesn't prevent the
| release on an alternative store. The main reason why they
| don't do that, is because it would ruin their FUD about
| this exact situation.
|
| You are being manipulated by a trillion dollar company,
| that not only hate your individual freedom, but also
| wants to make sure you hate it yourself so you never ask
| for it. And unfortunately that propaganda keeps proving
| highly effective...
|
| [1] https://github.com/rileytestut/Delta/blob/abd7338a08a
| 4948c55...
| nerdjon wrote:
| > The main reason why you "have not seen anything that
| the release on the App Store was held up by apple" is
| that because you did not want to see it, because it goes
| against your believes (believes that have been
| manufactured by Apple's propaganda machine).
|
| I really feel like it should be obvious that I am talking
| about since apple made the policy change regarding
| emulators. It is well understood that before about a
| month or so ago there was a policy against emulators.
|
| I am talking about since that policy change went into
| effect and the software was in place for it (as in the
| iOS version was rolled out).
|
| Apple had allowed am emulator on the App Store within the
| last couple weeks, which doesn't line up with your
| conspiracy theory that the only reason this one was
| allowed was because of their own store.
|
| And no this is not 100% on apple. The developer could
| have put it on the App Store in all regions. Again, Apple
| approved an emulator recently.
| goosedragons wrote:
| Whose fault is it that it has to be a paid app store? Blame
| Apple for their ridiculous policies that essentially require
| it.
| nerdjon wrote:
| I never mentioned anything about the fee, just that you
| have to use a different store.
| littlestymaar wrote:
| A different store than what, Delta wasn't even available
| on the app store until earlier today!
|
| And the irony is that they had to develop the entire
| store just so that they could bypass the walled garden.
| nerdjon wrote:
| > A different store than what, Delta wasn't even
| available on the app store until earlier today!
|
| And unless I am missing something it wasn't available on
| this alternative store until today. What does that change
| about the conversation?
|
| > And the irony is that they had to develop the entire
| store just so that they could bypass the walled garden.
|
| Clearly not since it is available on the Apple App Store
| in every country other than the EU.
| goosedragons wrote:
| It was available on the not PAL AltStore. AltStore was
| originally created to distribute Delta because Apple
| wouldn't allow it.
| littlestymaar wrote:
| > And unless I am missing something it wasn't available
| on this alternative store until today. What does that
| change about the conversation?
|
| See the sibling response.
|
| > Clearly not since it is available on the Apple App
| Store in every country other than the EU.
|
| As of... TODAY! Day of the release of the alternative
| store. What a marvelous coincidence for an emulator that
| has been submitted years ago on the App store and blocked
| by Apple for all this time!
|
| Yes, Apple recently changed their policy about emulators
| ... as a result of the exact same Digital Market Act that
| allowed this alternative store to exist. Again, this
| isn't a coincidence, it's just how the consequences of
| the regulation are unfolding and how Apple is trying to
| cope with it (in a surprisingly clumsy way).
| realusername wrote:
| > So how exactly does this benefit users again and isn't all
| about appeasing developers?
|
| You can blame Apple here, by adding a fee per install, if you
| choose to go outside the appstore, you pretty much have to
| remove the free appstore option otherwise why would anybody
| use the other one?
|
| The weird economics Apple has created discourages using both.
| nerdjon wrote:
| Clearly though they are fine with charging a yearly fee to
| access the store. So why not just charge for the app in the
| EU IF that really is the problem here.
|
| Give users that choice, that is all I am asking for here.
| Actually give users a choice instead of removing the choice
| from them. Which at this point in time, that choice is
| being removed from the user.
| realusername wrote:
| It's not that they are fine with charging, it's that they
| have no choice, they are charging the bare minimum to
| cover the new Apple fees.
|
| Sure they could create a paid appstore option only in the
| EU (if that's not against the appstore guidelines
| somehow, I don't know) but that might not align well with
| their strategy.
|
| Additionally I also feel it would kind of be a bad PR on
| their side as well to charge more on the appstore in the
| EU.
| tapoxi wrote:
| Don't you find the timing of them suddenly allowing emulators
| suspicious? If it weren't for that alt app store, would the
| U.S. app store have emulators at all?
| kernal wrote:
| Not a chance. This is Apple making their users stick with the
| App Store as their only store.
| littlestymaar wrote:
| Until recently (that is, until today), Delta wasn't even
| available in the app store to begin with. And most likely it
| and that would still be without the alternative store, since
| Apple is only eventually allowing it to make a point.
| nerdjon wrote:
| > since Apple is only eventually allowing it to make a point.
|
| No.. no they are not.
|
| They clearly made a policy change and allowed another
| emulator on the App Store
| https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2024/04/apple-removes-the-
| fir...
| pfg_ wrote:
| Why did they do that? Did they just decide to after 6 years
| randomly with no inciting incident? Or did they decide to
| because they were being forced to allow alternative app
| stores which would allow emulator installation anyway?
| nerdjon wrote:
| Probably, and I am not arguing that.
|
| I think it is important to point out that clearly there
| could be improvements to the App Store without opening it
| wide open.
|
| However, this has nothing to do with my core problem here
| of now in the EU having no choice but to use an
| alternative store. When every other country can just
| download it from the App Store.
|
| My problem here is not that alternative store exist. my
| problem is that we are already seeing a developer making
| the choice for me of where I can download the app from.
|
| Which is why I replied with an article, if Apple was just
| focusing on "making a point" the previous emulator would
| not have been approved.
| herrkanin wrote:
| - Alternative app marketplaces become allowed.
|
| - Apple sees emulators as a potential market for
| alternative app stores and proactively chooses to allow
| them in the Apple App Store.
|
| - This is a clear example of how competition in the app
| market place being a positive thing.
|
| - Developer creates an alternative app marketplace, with
| an emulator as one of its main apps on launch, realizing
| the competition that forced Apple to update their rules
| to allow emulators in their own store.
|
| I'm sorry you feel forced to download a separate app
| store, but don't you see how you in the end are
| benefitting from this change even without using the
| AltStore? Give it some time and you will probably have
| another emulator in the app store you can choose to
| download.
| ribosometronome wrote:
| >I'm sorry you feel forced to download a separate app
| store, but don't you see how you in the end are
| benefitting from this change even without using the
| AltStore?
|
| Not really, so far. Are there any game systems that don't
| require some level of special hardware to back them up?
| Dreamcast? I don't think I know anyone who has ever made
| themselves a 'backup copy' of a game they've purchased,
| much less then played that backup copy on another device.
| I'm sure they exist, but in numbers even smaller than
| linux isos on BitTorrent.
| pfg_ wrote:
| This is a little bit apple's fault - if any app is
| distributed outside the app store, the developer now has
| to pay a fee per-install even for installs from the app
| store (50C/ per install!). He could have chosen not to
| put Delta in AltStore and only put it in the app store,
| then it could be free on the app store. Either way, you
| don't get a choice. You install from the app store, or
| you install from AltStore, but it can't be on both
| because of apple policy. This is what apple wants, and is
| why the fee exists. Hopefully it violates the DMA and
| they'll be forced to change that.
| tomduncalf wrote:
| Why is it not available in the EU? Is this just the Delta
| developer wanting to promote/push people to their App Store, or
| is there some other reason e.g. Apple don't allow the app in
| the EU? I'm a bit confused why it would be on alternative store
| at all, if Apple now allow these apps... can someone ELI5?
|
| (I'm in the UK so can download from the App Store, finally a
| benefit of you-know-what lol)
| yreg wrote:
| I think they cannot put it on both stores per Apple rules.
| And since the Delta developer is the same person as the Alt
| Store developer he chose to put it on his own store.
| tomduncalf wrote:
| I see! I guess I don't understand why the developer would
| bother with their own store if the App Store now allows
| emulators, and the Delta app is free - but I guess this was
| only a recent change, maybe allowed by Apple purely as a
| way to try to stop people going to alt stores?
|
| I guess maybe the developer feels it's their duty to follow
| the alt store thing through to keep pressure on Apple? Or
| maybe they stand to make money (either now or in future
| with other apps) from their store?
| troupo wrote:
| > why the developer would bother with their own store if
| the App Store now allows emulators
|
| The keyword is _now_ allows emulators. They didn 't allow
| it 3 weeks ago. Or a year ago. Or 10 years ago.
|
| Only _now_ , with alternative stores launching and
| offering this, Apple has finally allowed emulators.
|
| Perhaps the developer doesn't want to be beholden to
| Apple's whims? Especially after investing a lot of effort
| into setting up an alternative store?
| tdsanchez wrote:
| Cydia was the first alternate app store.
| EcommerceFlow wrote:
| I wonder if Cydia would be allowed on the new alternative app
| marketplace...
| pfg_ wrote:
| Cydia installs deb packages which can modify system files.
| The EU method only allows installation of signed .ipa apps
| aptgetrekt wrote:
| *Cydia was the first app store [on iPhones]
| lantonmills wrote:
| You're forgetting Installer.app, which predated Cydia!
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Installer.app
| aprilnya wrote:
| This is specifically talking about alternate app stores
| _through Apple 's new official way of doing it_. If we're
| talking about alternate app stores in general, even AltStore
| itself was before AltStore PAL
| DavideNL wrote:
| Links to announcement from AltStore themselves:
|
| - https://fosstodon.org/@altstore/112287538562764439
|
| - https://fosstodon.org/@altstore/112287558511134794
| lapcat wrote:
| "For developers who choose to agree to the new business terms,
| membership in the Apple Developer Program includes one million
| first annual installs per year for free for apps distributed from
| the App Store, Web Distribution, and/or alternative
| marketplaces."
|
| https://developer.apple.com/support/core-technology-fee/
|
| This is what some commenters here don't understand when they
| criticize the developer for not offering a free App Store version
| in the EU. Once a developer distributes outside the App Store in
| the EU, Apple applies the CTF to _everything_ the developer
| distributes in the EU, whether inside or outside the App Store.
| Financially, there 's no way that they could offer a free version
| in the EU.
|
| Also note: "Developers of alternative app marketplaces will pay
| the Core Technology Fee for every first annual install of their
| app marketplace, including installs that occur before one
| million."
| threeseed wrote:
| There is nothing stopping you having multiple developer
| accounts.
|
| And there is the option of setting up a non-profit which
| removes the CTF.
|
| It seems much more like the aim is to drive usage towards the
| AltStore.
| lapcat wrote:
| Why in the world would the developer want to jump through
| these hoops just to support the crApp Store in the EU?
|
| Apple has made this situation way more difficult than it
| needs to be. Don't blame the victims. Also, the EU is already
| investigating, and it's not clear that Apple's Rube Goldberg
| machine will ultimately stand up to DMA scrutiny.
| threeseed wrote:
| Developers aren't victims. And nobody is blaming them.
|
| Just explaining that there are ways to get around the
| situation.
|
| And yes these are additional hoops but not that much harder
| than setting up the account in the first place.
| lapcat wrote:
| This is such a stereotypical HN comment. Everything is
| easy, according to HN armchair quarterbacks. Setting up a
| nonprofit organization? No problem! :eye roll:
| threeseed wrote:
| Nobody said it was easy.
|
| But you do have to setup and operate a company to run a
| store or sell an app.
|
| Adding non-profit on top in many places isn't that much
| more effort.
| lapcat wrote:
| > Nobody said it was easy.
|
| Yes, you did: "not that much harder than setting up the
| account in the first place" and "isn't that much more
| effort".
|
| > But you do have to setup and operate a company to run a
| store or sell an app.
|
| No, you don't actually have to setup and operate a
| company to sell an app.
| davelondon wrote:
| I signed up, paid EUR1.50 and was only then told I wasn't
| eligible. I can imagine they're going to be doing a lot of
| EUR1.50 refunds
| SllX wrote:
| Outside the EU?
|
| Looks like they make it incredibly easy to pay with no pre-
| verification, so yeah, probably a lot of refunds.
| madjam002 wrote:
| Yeah they really should be using Stripe to authorise the card
| payment and then capture it when the app is successfully
| installed
| darknavi wrote:
| How do I request a refund, I am in the same boat...
| phantompeace wrote:
| Hmm, my Apple ID is set to the UK, i paid using a UK card
| (Monzo), whilst connected to my home VPN (tunnelled) but
| currently abroad on holiday in Asia and it's telling me I need to
| physically be in the EU to install it...
| m463 wrote:
| No matter what apple says about privacy being a right, they
| don't let your location be private to their business.
|
| I remember years ago turning off location services on my
| iphone, and finding my iphone connecting to _.ls.apple.com all
| the time (location services).
|
| I just think people don't want to give up control. They just
| trick/force/wear down people/customers until they give up
| _their* control.
|
| It's too bad. I remember reading Matt Ridley's "the rational
| optimist" I think he said that when trading partners have
| trust, trading is unlimited.
|
| If I was treated with respect by apple, I would have trust and
| buy all kinds of things from them. Instead, I have to do this
| careful calculus, with devices, upgrades, apps and usually do
| not.
| Almondsetat wrote:
| Even if you turn them off you can still get tracked through
| SSIDs
| ktosobcy wrote:
| Would that even work in the UK considering Brexit el al?
|
| Besides Apple already mentioned that it's location based and if
| you go out of the EU you will only have about month of "trial"
| to use the apps... Apple can go to hell :D
| KeplerBoy wrote:
| The UK hasn't been part of the EU for quite some time now.
| polski-g wrote:
| You need a faraday cage and a GPS spoof.
| basisword wrote:
| Have you forgotten...brexit? We no longer get to enjoy the
| benefits of the EU.
| phantompeace wrote:
| To be honest, after the vote I didn't really keep up as I
| thought (hoped) real change would take ages to kick in. Guess
| we're finally, actually out. Will request a refund.
| basisword wrote:
| It officially occurred at the end of January 2020. I think
| something else important happened around that time that
| made it easy to miss :) Pre-existing law (e.g. GDPR)
| continues to until we remove it. New regulations like the
| DMA won't ever apply.
| madeofpalk wrote:
| Well, UK isn't in the EU.
| DRW_ wrote:
| Have you been abroad since before June 23rd 2016?
| phantompeace wrote:
| Yes, but I think the post-brexit transition phase tricked me
| into believing the change wouldn't be this drastic. Sigh.
| TiredOfLife wrote:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brexit
| pretext-1 wrote:
| There seems to be an issue with the download. After purchasing it
| redirects to a download page but when clicking on download
| nothing happens. Other users on Reddit are reporting this too.
| Hope it gets fixed or refunded.
| roblabla wrote:
| I had the same problem. I had to long press the download button
| and open in a new tab for it to do anything. It then showed the
| popup saying I needed to allow installation of the app in the
| settings before long-pressing download again.
| masfuerte wrote:
| Offtopic: a while ago the mastodon web interface changed so you
| had to enable javascript to see anything. I stopped reading
| mastodon links. I've just noticed that the server will cough up
| the post if you add "/embed" to the url. For the fine article:
|
| https://mastodon.social/@stroughtonsmith/112287515017810339/...
| topherPedersen wrote:
| When will third party app stores be available in the United
| States?
| aprilnya wrote:
| Apple is only doing this because the EU forced them to, so
| unless the US forces them to as well, it will never happen. App
| Store is Apple's golden goose and they would never give even a
| slice of it up voluntarily
| ClassyJacket wrote:
| Poor destitute Apple, they have to keep the iPhone a walled
| garden to feed their families. They don't have anywhere near
| enough money already. The executives are surviving on cabbage
| soup. Tim Cook will literally have to eat cardboard for
| dinner if they don't make another hundred billion dollars
| next year.
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