[HN Gopher] The Making of Django Reinhardt
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The Making of Django Reinhardt
Author : lardass
Score : 43 points
Date : 2024-04-17 16:30 UTC (6 hours ago)
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| ipaddr wrote:
| It's strange seeing valuable articles being flagged as dead in
| the new section but somehow this gets promoted to the front page
| because of the Django framework shares the same first name as
| this Jazz musician.
| ano-ther wrote:
| Or maybe because this is actually the fascinating story about
| someone who -- in true hacker spirit -- creates a completely
| new genre despite having only two fingers available for
| fretwork after he got burned badly.
|
| Which was all news to me. So now I am going to spend the rest
| of the day finding some of Django Reinhardt's music.
| number6 wrote:
| The Django Framework is named after this Jazz musician
| adfm wrote:
| You are witnessing culture propagating beyond algorithmic
| boundaries. If you find this strange, consider the etymology of
| jazz itself.
| jan3024-2r wrote:
| Yeah it's driven by bots.
| dang wrote:
| No bots in this case. See my reply upthread:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40069963
| dang wrote:
| > Somehow this gets promoted to the front page because of the
| Django framework
|
| That's not why. It was picked for the second-chance pool
| (explained at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26998308).
|
| > valuable articles being flagged as dead in the new section
|
| What are some examples?
| code_runner wrote:
| If you aren't happy, or want to be happier, just put on some
| Django Reinhardt and sit back for a second.
|
| The Joe Pass tribute album is also absolutely incredible.
|
| Truly truly some amazing music.
| grujicd wrote:
| You can see live some incredible musicians who keep playing
| Gipsy Jazz in Django Reinhardt style - Stochelo Rosenberg, or
| Joscho Stephan.
| AlbertCory wrote:
| Everyone needs some Django in their collection. It's welcome
| any time, anywhere.
| javier123454321 wrote:
| The Joe Pass tribute is amazing. It is an ode by someone that
| is at a similar level of technical virtuosity, but with his own
| extremely distinct voice. It is a nod, not attempt to copy.
| Very unique.
| vvpan wrote:
| As as ipaddr points out it seems this got promoted by an
| algorithm.
|
| But that aside I always felt like Django's music aged quiet
| poorly. A few country/blues/jazz and related styles from the
| first half of 20th century have. Big band - did not age well and
| effectively vanished as far I can see. Rag time, a very popular
| style for a couple of decades, gives me some enjoyment but mostly
| as a curiosity.
|
| That is all in contrast to a massive body of jazz and blues music
| from the era that has not aged a tiny bit, like pretty much
| anything on Harry Smith's "Anthology of American Folk Music".
| Say, for being zany and of the times "King Kong Kitchie Kitchie
| Ki-Me-O" feels as real and pleasurable as anything and keeps
| finding its way into pop culture.
| mattpallissard wrote:
| It's interesting that you mentioned big band with Django, as I
| have both lumped together in my head as well; things that are
| much more impressive live than on a recording. Stepping into a
| venue where people are actually dancing to live to a jazz or
| swing band, and to not just hear but feel the deafening blast
| of horns are things you just can't get from a recording. I get
| a weird nostalgia for those live moments when I hear
| recordings.
|
| Also FWIW I like Django, but I don't know if that it's aged
| poorly or if it's just mostly the same across a lot of his
| material and that the genre itself was played out over time.
| It's become "hokey" as some would call it and, perhaps, since
| we were never there we apply our modern perceptions to it.
|
| That said, a few bangers still stand out on the recordings and
| some of the solos and tempo changes are cool, even by today's
| standards.
| cge wrote:
| >Stepping into a venue where people are actually dancing to
| live to a jazz or swing band, and to not just hear but feel
| the deafening blast of horns are things you just can't get
| from a recording.
|
| Dancing bal to a gypsy jazz group at Le Colonial in SF years
| ago, the space cramped, the tables pushed back a few feet
| around, the crowd dancing and mingling amongst the tables,
| half knowing each other, at the twilight of a dying facet of
| the city... I don't remember if the musicians were very good,
| or even whether it was just a solo guitarist---I recall he'd
| played at a party a day or two before---but in that moment
| the music was more enchanting than any grand concert I had
| been to.
|
| Even live, but in a concert hall, I expect it would have been
| unsatisfying. By itself, except for particular technical
| appreciation when at Django's level, gypsy jazz is rather
| monotonous. I've heard styles that need similar contexts,
| played out of place in concert halls, like Max Raabe, and
| while the musicians are excellent, it feels lacking.
|
| But in the right context, the context it was born in, it is
| amazing.
| adfm wrote:
| Messy Nessy is a popular blog and Django Reinhardt is
| "considered by some the greatest guitarist who ever lived," so
| I find it odd that you'd declare that his music hasn't aged
| well. Adrian, Simon, Jacob, and the folks at LJW appreciated it
| enough to name their Python Web framework after him and we're
| still talking about it 18+ years later.
|
| There are entire festivals that happen around the world
| dedicated to his music!
|
| https://www.djangobooks.com/forum/discussion/19276/upcoming-...
|
| https://gypsyjazzfest.com
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| https://sites.google.com/view/monktonarts/gypsy-jazz-festiva...
|
| https://www.thejazzmann.com/news/article/gypsy-jazz-festival...
|
| https://djangoinjune.com
| dang wrote:
| Algorithms don't promote things on HN.
| javier123454321 wrote:
| I mean, he is often cited as one of the best guitarrists and
| jazz players in history, as well as one of the most
| influential.
|
| There is an entire style of music which basically can be
| described as attempting to sound like him, with an active
| community of people playing circuits, festivals, and regularly
| gigging musicians exclusively building entire careers on
| playing Jazz Manouche.
|
| I disagree with your take, and have trouble understanding what
| you mean.
| bsimpson wrote:
| If you are ever in NYC, the present-day patron saint of gypsy
| jazz (Stephane Wrembel) has a residency at Barbes in Park Slope.
| He plays every Sunday at 8, and hosts an annual festival "Django
| a Gogo" coming up on the first weekend in May.
|
| It's a super good time.
| wsintra2022 wrote:
| Also a good club called Drom that hosts a lot of good gypsy
| music. Drom being the Romany word for road.
| bsimpson wrote:
| Thanks for the tip!
| pachico wrote:
| Although I was already very familiar with jazz, I wasn't aware of
| Django and the Gypsy Swing / Swing Manouche.
|
| One day, probably being 16, I discovered it and it changed my
| experience with music forever.
|
| While my friends fantasized with motorcycles, I was dreaming to
| attend the Samois Sur Senne festival. This passion drove me to
| fly to Rome, Paris, Berlin, etc just to see Angelo Debarre or
| Rosenberg, to fanatically collect records that never made it to
| the digital era like Waso's, and what not.
|
| For those that weren't exposed yet to it, please, let yourself be
| tempted. Allow Django's music touch you with its brutal delicacy
| and self-mocking irony.
|
| Now, after 30 years, I still love it.
| astockwell wrote:
| In college, in a music class (History of Jazz maybe?), I had to
| miss an exam, and the professor assigned me an essay to make up
| for it: Life and impact of Django Reinhardt, minimum of 10 pages
| (back in the "12 point font, Times New Roman" days).
|
| This was in the early '00s, and hand-over-heart, there was less
| than 10 pages _on the internet_ about Reinhardt. The collegiate
| library was not much more help.
| dagurp wrote:
| I was introduced to Django's music in the first Mafia game. It's
| part of why it's one of my all time favourite games.
| selflock wrote:
| Jesus, I didn't know that was his music. That's why his music
| sounded so familiar when I first heard it!
| crtified wrote:
| If you're new to the music of Django, here is a great song :
|
| Limehouse Blues
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfP820uuReI
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