[HN Gopher] An FDA approved device offers a new treatment for ti...
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An FDA approved device offers a new treatment for tinnitus
Author : andsoitis
Score : 194 points
Date : 2024-04-15 14:58 UTC (8 hours ago)
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| incomingpain wrote:
| cricket sleep music seems to be the common go-to cure.
|
| But an elevated one to check out:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ke2BopotSIU
| 4ndrewl wrote:
| There's no common go-to cure sadly. That's the problem.
| WarOnPrivacy wrote:
| > cricket sleep music seems to be the common go-to cure.
|
| I'll check it out but the video card announces 4.5khz virtues.
| I'm at 11.5khz.
|
| I've been using a streaming rain channel after I realized that
| a running tub quiets it down more than anything else.
|
| For a cause, my best theory is 6 years of road road/engine
| noise from the current car. Most of us have a theory; some of
| us might even be right.
| hanniabu wrote:
| Distraction, not cure
| cpeterso wrote:
| I use pink noise (it's less harsh than the cricket white noise)
| notched to my tinnitus frequency. There are some studies
| asserting that notching the noise may reduce your brain's
| sensitivity to your tinnitus frequency.
|
| https://treblehealth.com/notch-therapy-tinnitus/
|
| https://audionotch.com/
|
| https://www.youtube.com/@tinnitusreliever610/videos
| uptown wrote:
| Seems basic enough that this device should be available without
| the whole "go to a Lenire doctor" consultation, but I guess
| people gotta get paid.
| hooverd wrote:
| Where's the superior Chinese knockoff version.
| instagib wrote:
| 9V battery to the tongue?
| jcims wrote:
| I was thinking the other day that there's a generational
| gap in this experience.
|
| When I was a kid in the 80's it seems like lots of stuff
| ran on 9V batteries, now almost nothing does except for
| smoke detectors and test equipment.
| selimthegrim wrote:
| They meant not the MSS one.
| repelsteeltje wrote:
| The "clinical test data" was paid for by the company. There
| seems to be some placebo bias (no control group). Test patients
| had to meet "specific criteria" which is probably what this
| consultation is about as well.
| trimbo wrote:
| > It includes a plastic mouthpiece with stainless steel
| electrodes that electrically stimulate the tongue.
|
| All I can picture is the device John Lithgow uses in Buckaroo
| Banzai.
|
| I might need to try this soon. I've had tinnitus for about 6
| months after a cold. Last week, the doctor said my hearing is
| perfect and to just wait it out. It's frustrating.
| dmoy wrote:
| I've had tinnitus for decades, and my hearing always checked
| out fine. Idk what the cause was, maybe too much loud band
| music.
|
| I figure if it's not bad enough to affect my hearing on an
| audiologist's test, it's fine.
| hooverd wrote:
| IMO there's not research into it as a brain issue. Especially
| in medicine where we pretend there's a clean biological
| separation between provider specialties.
| hanniabu wrote:
| It seems more likely to be a gut microbiome issue, which
| would make sense considering it can be caused by antibiotics
| and people tend to get it as they age which your microbiome
| health tends to decline as we age too.
| jijijijij wrote:
| No, it's definitely insufficient faith in our Lord Jesus
| Christ. Which totally makes sense since sometimes sinners
| get it, and we're all sinners, aren't we?!
| wizzwizz4 wrote:
| Job did not have faith in Jesus (Job 9:33), but tinnitus
| is not among Job's listed afflictions. I'm pretty sure
| tinnitus is caused by reading too many books: since your
| theory is wrong, by process of elimination, mine must be
| right.
| hcarvalhoalves wrote:
| It's frustrating, I've been through that - hearing is fine, but
| tinnitus persists.
|
| There's no single recommended treatment studied by medicine so
| far. I'm not a doctor but I visited multiple doctors and tried
| many things, and I'm doing better now.
|
| The obvious stuff:
|
| - Stress management.
|
| - Cut caffeine and alcohol. These substances affect blood flow
| of the inner ear.
|
| - Do you have neck pain? Pain in the neck region affects the
| inner ear. Seek physiotherapy.
|
| - Do you grind teeth or snore while sleeping? Seek TMJ disorder
| treatment.
|
| Less obvious stuff:
|
| - Supplement magnesium. Magnesium chelated is best. Most people
| are lacking it today, it is a muscle relaxant and also had an
| important effect to regulate blood flow.
|
| - Ginko biloba tea or extract can help on headache and promotes
| blood flow on the brain as well. Must be consumed in small
| quantities as it has a strong blood thinner effect, so if you
| can get standardized capsules is best.
|
| - B6/B12 rich diet or supplementation to help repair damaged
| nervous cells of the inner ear after infection.
|
| The treatments are a mix of things that help repair the inner
| ear, promote blood flow and avoid pain signals in the area.
| trimbo wrote:
| Thanks for the ideas, I'll check them out.
| criddell wrote:
| Could you share the specific brand/dose for the magnesium and
| ginko that helped you?
| jordanmorgan10 wrote:
| Same except for me it was covid. It's likely caused by
| eustachian disfunction and they've all told me it takes so long
| to correct itself.
| calf wrote:
| I may be having this now, E-Tube tinnitus due to seasonal
| allergies and inflammation, likely worsened by prior
| earwax/infection/COVID factors.
|
| It's been 3 months of pulsatile tinnitus, this week I am
| finally waking up in silence some days, but it returns by the
| afternoon.
| criddell wrote:
| Can people close to you hear your tinnitus as well?
| diego_sandoval wrote:
| A similar device is being developed by Dr. Susan Shore. They are
| currently working towards FDA approval.
|
| Relevant clinical trial:
| https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle...
|
| Relevant Q&A with Susan Shore: https://www.tinnitushub.com/dr-
| susan-shore-auricle-questions...
| hooverd wrote:
| They're also affiliated with Auricle, a YC company.
| hypeatei wrote:
| Hmm, seems interesting but it's intended to take the "focus" off
| of the ringing rather than actually fix the underlying cause.
|
| Personally, having tinnitus for so long I don't even notice it
| anymore; it would be nice to experience complete "silence" again
| though.
| idontwantthis wrote:
| It doesn't sound to me like it would help you in that case, if
| it is just about attention.
|
| I have tinnitus as well and after months of focusing on it
| trying to "cure" it, I learned to adapt and now it is better
| and doesn't keep me up at night or interfere with anything.
| This sounds like a shortcut to the acceptance that patients
| need to achieve in order to move on. But maybe it would make a
| real difference to very high intensity patients.
| Ataraxic wrote:
| I don't understand it that way.
|
| My understanding of the underlying cause of tinnitus iirc, is
| that it's caused by damage to hair cells in your inner ear. Our
| brains interpret this damage and loss of signal as a signal;
| thus, we hear a high-pitched tone even when it is silent.
|
| Training your brain to ignore this seems like treating the
| underlying cause, which is a misinterpretation of auditory
| signals or the lack thereof.
|
| I have tinnitus but most times I don't notice it. Go to a loud
| venue for a while and even with earplugs it noticeably comes
| back for up to a week or two.
| hooverd wrote:
| Although, there are also people who are deaf as a doornail
| and never get it. And you can experience it as a symptom of
| psychotropics.
| criddell wrote:
| Are you implying the underlying cause is never a brain
| malfunction?
|
| I think of it a little like phantom limb pains If you feel pain
| in a hand or foot that you no longer have, retraining your
| brain is one way to fix it. Maybe regrowing a foot would be
| better, but we don't know how to do that.
| TheBigSalad wrote:
| I'm not doctor or scientist, but I think of it like the
| nerves in the ear are signaling off constantly. The brain is
| operating normally by listening to them, but what you really
| want is for it to adapt and start to ignore the bad signals.
| The brain can phase them out, but it can never stop receiving
| the signal, so you still hear it if you consciously focus on
| it. It sounds like this person is already there but still
| looking for a real cure, something to stop the signals.
| 39896880 wrote:
| "Silence" really does belong in quotes. I spent some time in an
| anechoic chamber (a few hours a day over 6 weeks) and could
| hear the blood flowing through my ears. It was quite strange
| and convinced me that true silence doesn't exist unless you're
| deaf.
| jijijijij wrote:
| Probably similar to the experience of seeing the blood
| vessels of your retina when a focused light source moves past
| your eyes. I think that's something we kinda always "see",
| but the signal is removed by the brain before reaching
| consciousness, until lighting quickly changes blood vessels'
| shadows.
| causality0 wrote:
| One of the spookiest experiences of my life was activating a
| pair of noise-canceling headphones in a room that was already
| quiet and immediately being able to hear my neck vertebrae
| touching. I snatched them off my head like they were a
| spider.
| jijijijij wrote:
| Have you tried this trick of overloading your acoustic nerves
| temporarily? For both ears, close your ears with your index
| finger and than tap on the index fingers with your middle
| fingers - to make a loud pounding sound - a few times. As far
| as I know, these short peaks are not dangerous to the ear, but
| safely overload hearing sensitivity. You may gain a few
| (sometimes critical) moments of silent peace this way.
| fallinghawks wrote:
| I can make mine go away temporarily (as in a minute or so) by
| sticking my fingers in my ears and jiggling them around to make
| a lot of noise for 10 seconds. I suspect it's just the
| contrast, but it is really nice to have something resembling
| real silence.
|
| A few years back I got a bad wax buildup in one ear and stopped
| hearing anything. After they took the wax out, my ear was
| hypersensitive for a day or so. I heard every little rustle,
| shifting in my chair, even fabric moving when I moved my arm.
| KomoD wrote:
| I can also make it go away temporarily (also just a minute or
| two) with the tapping technique
|
| "Place the palms of your hands over your ears with fingers
| resting gently on the back of your head. Your middle fingers
| should point toward one another just above the base of your
| skull. Place your index fingers on top of your middle fingers
| and snap them (the index fingers) onto the skull making a
| loud, drumming noise. Repeat 40-50 times"
| lovegrenoble wrote:
| Occasionally, I put together my own "Asmr audio mix" with this
| tool;
|
| it helps me reduce my tinnitus and hyperacusis symptoms:
| https://asmrion.com
| hwbunny wrote:
| Maybe try to drink less stimulants... like coffee-tea. When I
| overdrink these the tinnitus comes.
| jordanmorgan10 wrote:
| 35 year old male. I developed tinnitus in my left ear only after
| covid last December. It's been constant since December 21st,
| 2023.
|
| I have an amazingly huge level of empathy of anyone dealing with
| this - the first few days were some of the longest of my life.
| Through it all so far, it's amazing how little we seem to know
| about tinnitus - TL;DR my doctors have said we don't have any
| great answers for it.
|
| Thanks for posting the link - I will try any "trick" or treatment
| for this.
| hanniabu wrote:
| Same. I also ended up getting dry/itchy inner ear and was given
| a steroid oil to put in my ear and to my surprise it also helps
| out my tinnitus for a day or 2 after using it.
| jordanmorgan10 wrote:
| Would you mind sending me a link to the oil? Or is it
| prescribed?
| jijijijij wrote:
| If steroids do help, maybe you could try to address
| inflammation?
|
| Do you use cotton swabs to clean your ears?
| encoderer wrote:
| Same here, was 39 when it happened, 41 now.
|
| It was very troubling at first but you adapt.
|
| I no longer doubt anybody suffering from long-covid. I used to
| be very skeptical, like "chronic fatigue" and "fibromyalgia",
| but when a cold does permanent damage to your hearing you
| realize how different COVID really was
| jordanmorgan10 wrote:
| 100%! Thankfully, I am doing better mentally. I have accepted
| that I may always have it, and that, honestly, has been the
| best "cure" so far.
| ksenzee wrote:
| I hope you've changed your mind about chronic fatigue and
| fibromyalgia as well. They're also post-viral diseases.
| penneyd wrote:
| I've always had it somewhat but COVID late last year definitely
| kicked it up a notch for a while, it did fade back to
| essentially being unnoticeable after a couple of months though.
| Hope yours fades too, it's a nuisance for sure.
| grugagag wrote:
| I have tinnitus only when I think about it. The rest of the time
| my brain just ignores it.
| PcChip wrote:
| I feel the same way - I forget I have it until I read about it,
| then i can hear it again (unless I've had too much salt or
| caffeine or something)
| jbkkd wrote:
| same - I noticed it again as I was reading this article
| slekker wrote:
| We need an adblock filter for tinnitus
| wruza wrote:
| I think we're fine, this little exposure is probably a
| part of acceptance.
| neilv wrote:
| What I was told: salt, caffeine, alcohol, and stress.
|
| (I check sodium on the Nutrition Facts of packaged food (it's
| usually high), don't touch even decaf, don't touch alcohol,
| and try to minimize the bad kind of stress that has no
| constructive solutions.)
| burnte wrote:
| Yep, I've become excellent at ignoring it, only about 2% of the
| time does it get bad enough to be bothersome or noticeable. I
| always comment on these "this will make your tinnitus go away"
| posts with be careful, you may find it makes the times you
| can't use the device or product even worse because now you have
| a taste of real silence!
| bluescrn wrote:
| Yeah, similar here. The brain seems to do a pretty good job of
| 'tuning it out' most of the time after a while. But as soon as
| you start thinking about it, it's there and louder than ever.
| joecot wrote:
| The #1 cause of me remembering I have tinnitus is seeing
| articles about tinnitus.
| veyh wrote:
| And now, you are manually breathing.
| 2cynykyl wrote:
| Between laughing, then forgetting how to breath, then
| laughing at that, I nearly passed out. Thanks!
| konstantinua00 wrote:
| manual blinking
|
| you can't stay in one place for long without moving to a
| different pose
|
| something on your body itches (your nose?)
|
| manual swallowing
| dandanua wrote:
| I didn't know I had tinnitus until I read about it.
| digbybk wrote:
| I mostly notice it only when I meditate. I also notice that
| my nose hurts.
| closeparen wrote:
| I have it only if the room is too quiet. Any reasonable level
| of background white noise makes it go away.
| dkarras wrote:
| Does everyone not have ringing in their ears when they really
| pay attention? Or like when they are trying to go to sleep? I
| always thought everyone had it because I had it since
| childhood. Still have to this day, same intensity. During the
| day it does not bother me, nor do I notice it. But if I pay
| attention, it feels pretty loud.
| throwaway63467 wrote:
| Apparently 60-80 percent of people can hear a sound like a
| faint buzzing or hissing when inside a perfectly anechoic
| chamber but Tinnitus is more noticeable in regularly quiet
| environments.
| joe_the_user wrote:
| This comment is as useful as posting to a thread on clinical
| depression that when you feel down you sing a little song.
| TillE wrote:
| There's absolutely nothing you can do about tinnitus except
| adjust to it. You really do just have to relax and accept it,
| and it essentially fades into the background. That's
| literally the best treatment available.
| jdminhbg wrote:
| The entire reason this comment chain exists is that someone
| has built a better treatment than just adjusting to it.
| wruza wrote:
| It's really one of the most true things about tinnitus. It
| takes a while to put your mind in order to accept it, but
| once you're done, the problem goes away (but tinnitus never
| does).
| throwaway63467 wrote:
| Same for me, I think I probably had it since a young age (lots
| of middle ear infections) but it seemed normal to me so I
| didn't realize it was unusual until much later in life. I
| freaked out about it for a few years but realized it was and
| will always be there and didn't bother me before, so I pretty
| much went back to it not bothering me anymore.
| bsimpson wrote:
| I had a mental health crisis when I first realized I had it
| (triggered by a really bad audio mix at a concert and some
| rando chastising "you're gonna fuck up your hearing" when I
| didn't have earplugs). A few months followed of "oh shit, is
| my life experience permanently broken now?" and all the bad
| feelings that connotes. I was in a really bad place.
|
| I've always been someone who can hear electronics - when CRTs
| are popular, I'd know if one was in the upcoming room while I
| was still in the hallway. At some point, I realized that I
| heard all sorts of minor sounds just by existing in my
| apartment, and that tinnitus isn't much different than that.
| Helped me chill out about the whole scenario.
|
| My mom taught me "lean into the good, and you'll feel more of
| the good; lean into the bad, and you'll feel more of the
| bad." That's certainly been my experience with tinnitus.
| Letting yourself panic and gloom about it is the worst part
| of having it. If you don't assign valence to it (don't let it
| be good or bad, just a thing you experience), it loses its
| power to drive you mad.
| palla89 wrote:
| Am I the only one that hear tinnitus only when sleeping and if
| I yawn a LOT I can finally remove it?
| throwaway63467 wrote:
| Probably jaw related, you should have it checked. Can be a
| posture problem.
| jozzy-james wrote:
| that's great for you, i have to sleep with sound - the silence
| is not deafening, but the hum/etc is when it is silent
| germandiago wrote:
| Same most of the time. But the first two weeks were hard man...
| hanniabu wrote:
| Anybody try using a stim machine for tinnitus? I've read that had
| helped some people. I wonder if it works similar to other areas
| where it helps promote healing so maybe some of the hair cells
| recover?
| instagib wrote:
| I have one that has ear clips I can try.
|
| Idk if I can fashion a tongue clip but maybe one that attaches
| above the ears for bone conduction hearing also.
|
| There's been some studies into magnetics for neuropathy
| treatment, migraines, etc. They are called PEMF devices but
| most are quite expensive ~ $5k.
| nerflad wrote:
| I still pray for some advancement that can actually repair the
| cause (damaged hearing) rather than the symptom (tinnitus).
|
| [EDIT]: Ok... The cause in my personal case.
| hanniabu wrote:
| Many with tinnitus see no decline in hearing
| jijijijij wrote:
| I don't think it's a single cause disease.
| archsurface wrote:
| I had an interesting experience a few months ago. I seem to be
| incorrectly remembering it as percussive tinnitus - all I can
| find now is pulsatile tinnitus. Whatever it's called, it was a
| tapping in my ear at about 120 bps, only noticeable when going to
| sleep. It was possibly caused by a bike fall, very jarring to the
| body, no head contact, and disappeared after two or three weeks.
| earslap wrote:
| I had that in one ear for 2-3 years. By pulsatile tinnitus I
| assume you mean the loud "whooshing" sound that is in sync with
| your heart beat (hearing the blood flow basically). Doctors
| were pretty ignorant about the phenomenon, I gave up. It was
| not constant either, would go away for a few hours, start again
| for another few hours - repeat. One day, it stopped and never
| came back. Pretty mysterious.
| calf wrote:
| I'm having unilateral pulsatile tinnitus, and it's been 3
| months so far.
|
| My doctor thinks its often just eustachian tube seasonal
| allergies, and so gets better on its own slowly. The steroid
| spray I've been using for months just hurts my nose.
|
| It was pretty constant up till this week, now for several
| mornings I wake up all clear! What relief! But it comes back
| over the afternoon. I really hope it improves on this
| trajectory.
| foxbarrington wrote:
| I hesitate to recommend this because of how woo woo it
| sounds, but... I had terrible pulsatile tinnitus (both
| sides) for over a year and half. I went to doctors,
| specialists, tried steroids, the works. I had to sleep with
| headphones to drown it out. Eventually my wife suggested I
| try craniosacral therapy. After the first session it
| started to get a lot quieter and even would "stutter" out
| for short periods of time. After the second session it
| disappeared and hasn't been back. The practitioner came
| from https://milneinstitute.com/what-is-vcsw/
| archsurface wrote:
| It wasn't whooshing or heart sync'd. I'm not sure it was
| pulsatile, I'll have to search again. It was like a 120 bpm
| metronome - tap, tap, tap, tap, ...
| j45 wrote:
| Fascinating.
|
| There is also a form of tinnitus that is made worse by neck
| muscles, be it from an injury, TBI, etc. Massage can reduce this
| kind of tinnitus.
|
| There are also audio files that can help you find the frequency
| of and reduce the tinnitus you are hearing.
| palla89 wrote:
| Am I the only one that hear tinnitus only when sleeping and if I
| yawn a LOT I can finally remove it? I can't understand why it's
| happening and fortunately it doesn't happen always
| lbourdages wrote:
| My tinnitus is worse when I am congested (because I guess there
| is more pressure in the internal ear or something). Yawning can
| help relieving the pressure.
| instagib wrote:
| I have had several audiologists begin their speech of "as you may
| know tinnitus is from damage to the ear due to loud ... ", well
| mine is from Covid.
|
| I read about a study a few years ago that focused on shocking the
| tongue and its nice someone followed up on it. They described one
| year of relief post treatment.
|
| https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/10/201015173126.h...
|
| Bimodal neuromodulation combining sound and tongue stimulation
| reduces tinnitus symptoms in a large randomized clinical study.
| Science Translational Medicine, 2020; 12 (564): eabb2830 DOI:
| 10.1126/scitranslmed.abb2830
|
| Mine is constant and loud. If people speak and pause it gets
| difficult to orient where we're at with the fire alarm sound
| going on in the middle of speech. Soft spoken people I have to
| fill in the conversation with guesses to what they said.
|
| Hearing aids help but you're not supposed to sleep with them in.
| So when you manage to fall asleep then wake up, it can be hard to
| fall asleep again or impossible.
| stuaxo wrote:
| I had it already, Covid made it much worse.
|
| NHS tinnitus awareness course had a bit about accepting it as
| background noise (vs just concentrating on it and being
| annoyed), I rubbished that at first but it helped quite a bit
| in the end.
|
| That was before Covid after that it's got much louder, it comes
| back whenever I think about it, so seeing the article brought
| it back, hopefully I can make it go again.
| stevesimmons wrote:
| Mine started after Covid too. The audiologist did some tests
| and found I have one ear having a section of frequencies with
| poor response.
|
| His hypothesis is vascular damage due to Covid restricted blood
| supply to the hairs in that one part of the ear canal. The
| brain fills in the discontinuity from the resulting "notch
| filter" audio response (in Electrical Engineering terminology),
| and that hallucinated sound is the tinnitus.
| JohnFen wrote:
| Hearing damage is the most common cause, but it's far from the
| only one. It can also be caused by other sorts of physical
| damage (TMJ, blood pressure, etc.), certain drugs, and some
| diseases.
|
| > diabetes, thyroid problems, migraines, anemia, and autoimmune
| disorders such as rheumatoid arthritis and lupus have all been
| associated with tinnitus
|
| https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/tinnitus/symp...
|
| I don't find it the least bit surprising that Covid could also
| cause it.
| fierro wrote:
| anecdote for anyone else reading about Covid related tinnitus -
| I've had hearing damage related tinnitus for a decade. Got
| Covid in April '22 which caused my existing tinnitus to 2-3x in
| severity, lasting a couple months before it either reverted to
| baseline or I got used to the new normal. Very scary
| experience. The CEO of Texas Roadhouse famously committed
| suicide due in part to severe post-Covid tinnitus.
|
| For anyone struggling to cope with Tinnitus out there, one
| thing that has helped me immensely is Zen meditation. Doesn't
| make it go away, but builds up a control over attention with
| which you can cope much better.
| gagabity wrote:
| I also had it before but the 3rd vaccine shot amplified it
| maybe 3-5x for a few months, it was like a siren when trying to
| sleep, thank god it back to its normal level which I forget
| about most of the time.
| Ancalagon wrote:
| A tongue vibrator with a pair of headphones is $4,000? And
| insurance doesn't cover it...
| criddell wrote:
| If I knew it would work, that would be the easiest $4k I've
| ever spent.
| mmh0000 wrote:
| I'm in the same boat. If I had any assurances that it would
| work, I'd spend the $4K in a heartbeat. But, I'm really
| skeptical it would work, and I'm not ready to part with $4K
| on a promise and private "studies".
| oblib wrote:
| I've been taking magnesium ("Calm" brand), zinc, potassium, and
| D, at night after dinner and just before I go to bed and that's
| really helped quiet down the tinnitus for me. For me, it's stress
| that triggers it and it can get vicious loud.
| abdela wrote:
| Do you know what caused your tinnitus?
| tithe wrote:
| I've had a mental visualization I've used to control tinnitus
| flares for about 20 years now - i.e., "biofeedback".
|
| I image the entire soundscape (what I'm possible of hearing) as a
| long, thin line which is warbling a bit, as I'm hearing things
| right now -- like the line in an oscilloscope. The present
| tinnitus represents itself as a sharp spike in this
| visualization, the location dependent upon its texture (sharp
| pings, or a low muffled warble).
|
| I then imagine a giant hand (my hand) on top of that spike,
| pushing it down, slowly, and as I push it down, the tinnitus
| subsides (since I know what that subsiding sensation feels like).
| Sometimes I have to do this pushing motion a few times before the
| spike slowly attenuates by itself and it joins the surrounding
| levels.
|
| The entire process takes about 30 seconds, and doesn't work every
| time. If after a few attempts it fails, I abandon the
| visualization exercise (lest my brain somehow learns the pushing
| motion to be ineffective).
|
| It's not entirely clear to me how / why this works: mapping a
| physical phenomenon onto an abstract mental visualization /
| picture, and then manipulating that mental picture and thus the
| physical phenomenon.
|
| I'm also very musical, so these sorts of visualizations tend to
| come very naturally to me.
| pmx wrote:
| Holy crap this works! I've the loud high-pitched type all
| evening and i've just used your method to reduce its volume
| significantly! Thank you!
| tithe wrote:
| It gives me goosebumps that this method works with others. I
| thought it to be very idiosyncratic...but it seems not?
| Either way, I'm glad it could help!
| toast0 wrote:
| Our brains are very weird, but there's a lot of common
| weirdness. There's a pretty wide range of common 'weird
| dreams', for example driving from the backseat, mandatory
| test or you'll be ungraduated from high school where you
| haven't been in 10+ years, various flying/falling, the
| tetris effect, etc.
| edm0nd wrote:
| You can also try this trick which works for me
|
| You place the palms of your hands on the sides of your head
| or over your ears and then drum/tap your fingers on the back
| of your head. After about 10-15 seconds, it will stop the
| ringing.
| zoklet-enjoyer wrote:
| I showed this trick to a guy at work and it was really
| funny and cool seeing how shocked he was that it worked
| nurettin wrote:
| Nice move! This reduced the high pitched noise, but I still
| sense a general overall ambient signal ready to increase.
| ilikeitdark wrote:
| Holy crap, just tried it and it worked! Thank you! Mine has
| started to get bad the last year, and especially at night.
| Driving me CRAZY!
| mtalantikite wrote:
| Oh this sounds really interesting, thanks!
|
| Sometimes during my daily meditation practice I use my tinnitus
| as an object of awareness, like you would with your breath,
| which, coincidentally, I did this morning. There's so many more
| frequencies and changes going on when you meditate with it,
| including tones that definitely only arise when you're
| practicing with it. I find it helps and I'm definitely going to
| try it with your visualization.
| monknomo wrote:
| I don't have tinnitus, but I do have this thing where when I'm
| falling asleep, my eyes (despite being closed and in a dark
| room) will start to feel like they are looking at a brighter
| and brighter light. This is very irritating for me.
|
| For that I usually open them really briefly and imagine some
| kind of equilizer level-set thing happening and that makes it
| dark behind my eyes again. I wonder if there is a way to do it
| without opening them
|
| These feedback things are interesting, thank you for sharing
| mtalantikite wrote:
| This is actually an experience that people that engage in the
| tantric practices in Vajrayana Buddhism -- of which Tibetan
| Buddhism belongs to -- cultivate. I've encountered the
| instructions as part of the dream yoga practices, to
| cultivate it so that you actually watch yourself fall asleep
| and enter the dream state completely lucidly. I've only ever
| been able to "catch" the dream and become lucid when already
| in the dream. Maybe you're way ahead of the rest of us!
| [1][2]
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_body
|
| [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_yoga
| wholinator2 wrote:
| I was able to do it once with the simple exercise of barely
| typing my name on an invisible keyboard while keeping the
| rest of my body completely still, only moving the tips of
| my fingers maybe a centimeter or two. Something about that
| repeated motion allowed me to keep some subset conscious as
| the whole transitioned into sleep. It was a very spooky
| transition! I descended until I felt a cold hand on my
| shoulder and whispers all around me, crescendoing to me
| opening my eyes to the lake in the neighborhood i grew up
| in. The fidelity of the simulation was very high as well,
| certainly beat my ability to distinguish! Eventually, as i
| was flying down the street a giant sand worm emerged from a
| darkness and closed in on me until i woke up. I could
| control some things but it felt like the dream telling me
| it'd had enough.
| mtalantikite wrote:
| That's awesome, thanks for sharing that. I've gotten to
| the point of hearing dream sounds like you described
| while falling through the sleep stages, but it startled
| me enough to wake me up! I'll give the slight movement
| thing a try -- which actually reminded me of how Tesla
| claimed to curl his toes 100 times per foot before going
| to sleep [1].
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla#Work_and_d
| ining_h...
| toast0 wrote:
| > I don't have tinnitus, but I do have this thing where when
| I'm falling asleep, my eyes (despite being closed and in a
| dark room) will start to feel like they are looking at a
| brighter and brighter light. This is very irritating for me.
|
| Me too, just started happening recently too. Brains are
| weird.
| kalkr wrote:
| You may be experiencing this?
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogia
|
| I have read a few anecdotal experiences of people allowing
| these kinds of hallucinations to continue and they have
| reported that they can become quite vivid and even
| interactive. Maybe try waving your arms around when this
| happens to see if it goes away? That should indicate if it's
| sleep-related or not.
| disantlor wrote:
| I do the same thing though I have a different mental analogy,
| but it works!
| tithe wrote:
| Could you share the visualization that you use?
| jakeway wrote:
| Interesting, I've done something similar for headaches. I
| imagine the pain as a sort of toy in a claw machine and then
| try to extract the pain with the claw. Like you said it doesn't
| always work but surprised it has ever worked.
| krackers wrote:
| From this perspective, techniques such as Reiki are not that
| surprising, they may be methods of more effectively
| exploiting this mind-body connection: all of these techniques
| usually have in common some sort of visualization, and
| learning to associate certain colors/signs/symbols with
| desired effects. (Although the fact that it seems to have
| effects even when the practitioner differs from the recipient
| means there's probably more to it than just that.)
| JohnFen wrote:
| I've done something similar to this to control my hay fever
| since I was a kid.
| szundi wrote:
| Ladies and gentlemen, it works
| raincom wrote:
| In a way, this is similar to many meditative techniques.
| joshspankit wrote:
| I accidentally did something similar, but there's a significant
| cost.
|
| Got tinnitus at 15 and over time my brain filtered out the sound.
| Unfortunately one of the tones was in the upper vocal range so I
| then developed trouble understanding people with higher-pitched
| voices as some syllables would be entirely filtered out.
|
| Second is that I stopped paying attention to sounds that
| aggravated it. This caused me to gather more damage and I ended
| up getting additional frequencies that my brain wasn't filtering
| out.
| criddell wrote:
| Have you tried hearing aids? I went to an audiologist a week
| ago and found that I have mild hearing loss in higher
| frequencies and as a result certain letter combinations are
| hard for me to hear. She told me hearing aids might help. I get
| a 30 day free trial, so the only thing I have to lose is the
| time to get them and get them dialed in.
|
| The audiologist also gave me a copy of the audiogram. In the
| health app I used the camera to scan it and it adjusted the
| frequency output on my ear buds to compensate for some of my
| hearing loss.
| technofiend wrote:
| That's the real problem with hearing loss: if you compensate by
| raising volume across the entire spectrum of sound to
| compensate for a few frequencies, you slowly make yourself more
| and more deaf.
|
| And I suffer from a notch in my hearing where speech is
| generally found, so I hear clinking glasses and shuffling
| chairs far easier than people. It's aggravating for everyone
| involved. If you're lucky enough to afford hearing aids, you'll
| soon discover hearing aid companies know the best fidelity
| comes from high discretion and narrow band amplification. And
| they're pricing hearing aids accordingly: the more and narrower
| the bands, the higher the price. Also aggravating.
| ourmandave wrote:
| I'll get to enjoy real sound of the coming Cicada-pocalypse,
| instead of these fake crickets.
| KomoD wrote:
| > Banks paid about $4,000 for the Lenire device
|
| Hahaha, yeah alright...
| joewrong wrote:
| I wonder if you could have similar results from licking a 9v
| battery
| WalterSear wrote:
| It's the sounds and the noise together.
|
| I wager that, given the details of the patent and any published
| literature, it's likely it would be possible to replicate the
| effects cheaply.
| bradley13 wrote:
| My case is classic: hearing damage at one particular frequency
| (from _one_ stupid event). Apparently, the neurons got bored, and
| decided to create their own input at that frequency.
|
| As others gave said, you get used to it and rarely notice it. I
| suppose that is more difficult if it's not just constant noise.
| dtgriscom wrote:
| Ah, how we'd all benefit from a life rewind button...
| DoreenMichele wrote:
| For anyone suffering tinnitis: In alternative remedy circles I
| once ran in, some people reported relief from improving their
| magnesium status.
| germandiago wrote:
| I have tinnitus since last january. It came. It does not go away.
| Learnt to deal with it. It os quite bothersome. I did nothing
| except going to the doctor. He told me there is no solution and
| checking my audition in the next 6 months to 2 years.
|
| I did not do anything about it except taking some medication for
| one month. If anyone has tips and tricks for it I will keep them
| with me. It always helps. :)
| causality0 wrote:
| Four thousand dollars for a device with a bill of materials
| that's probably less than $20. Disgusting. Open source version
| when?
| ramoz wrote:
| My anecdote:
|
| I assume I have fairly severe tinnitus at this point. It was in
| part exposure to loud noises over the years (military), but I
| think chemotherapy really did me in the past year as tinnitus has
| become more bothersome than ever; caveat I tend to register and
| take interest in anything physical after cancer.
|
| Its a constant beaming sound - I hear it right now. I can go most
| of the day distracting away from it, but there is no great aid or
| distraction when trying to go to sleep.
|
| The closest solution has been trying to cancel it out with mobile
| apps that allow to you build custom frequencies (white noise
| generators) but they aren't perfect its not something I really
| have been able to become accustomed to using.
| moshegramovsky wrote:
| I have tinnitus and count myself as extremely lucky that it
| doesn't bother me. My hearing is very poor and that does bother
| me, but there isn't any apparent fix other than a hearing aid.
| I'm only 49! By the time I am 70, I'll almost certainly be deaf
| except for the tinnitus.
| greenavocado wrote:
| I have had some low frequency tinnitus clusters over the years
| permanently go away after losing 50 pounds
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