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Lore Harp McGovern built a microcomputer empire from her suburban
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Date : 2024-04-08 15:48 UTC (7 hours ago)
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| KingOfCoders wrote:
| Also see "Steve" Shirley, she build a company of coders, women
| only [0], from the '60s on with remote first :-)
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Shirley
|
| [0] She hired all the female IBM coders who couldn't make a
| career at IBM
| buovjaga wrote:
| Recent discussion on HN:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39585527
| rsynnott wrote:
| Wait, how did remote first work in the 60s? Did they post in
| punchcards? TTYs weren't really much of a thing at that stage,
| were they?
| dws wrote:
| Coding forms, accumulated until someone had access to a
| keypunch.
|
| Turnaround time could be days, which encouraged being very
| scrupulous when coding.
| EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote:
| I remember our group of students would chip in on flowers
| and chocolates for the girl who was punching the cards.
| Every mistake meant manually cutting new holes and mask
| taping the extra holes to arrive at the correct character.
| 5555624 wrote:
| Write the program down on paper, then type it in or punch
| cards.
|
| Since I'm old, I remember writing FORTRAN -- it was all caps
| back then -- programs in my dorm room and then going down to
| the computer "room" and accessing the Dartmouth Time Sharing
| System to type it in and run it.
| abraae wrote:
| We had a single apple II at our school. It was responsible
| for me failing most of my classes and getting into
| programming.
|
| Since there was only a single machine, mostly we had to
| submit our code on cards. Not quite punch cards with chads
| but an optical equivalent when you marked the hole with a
| sharpie.
| Stratoscope wrote:
| I don't know what methodology Shirley's company used. But
| yes, Teletype machines were very common in the mid-1960s.
|
| For example, Tymshare, where I worked for several years, was
| founded in 1964. Their customers used Teletype machines at
| their own locations, dialing into a Tymshare mainframe and
| paying by the hour.
|
| There were a number of similar timesharing companies in that
| era. Call Computer and Dial Data come to mind, along with
| Transdata where I worked in Phoenix before moving to the Bay
| Area.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-sharing
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tymshare
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleprinter
|
| I had an office at Tymshare's Cupertino headquarters, and a
| Teletype at home to work remotely.
|
| This proved handy one year when the company was doing some
| final acceptance tests on the Xerox Data Systems (XDS) Sigma
| 7. The problem was that all of us preferred the competing DEC
| PDP-10. So the company really wanted those tests to fail.
|
| My manager called me into his office one day and said, "This
| conversation is strictly between you and me. You are our best
| Sigma 7 expert [I'd worked on the similar Sigma 5 at
| Transdata] and even you like the PDP-10 more. But at this
| point the only way we can get out of the Xerox deal is if the
| acceptance tests fail."
|
| I took the hint, and the acceptance tests mysteriously
| started going haywire!
|
| Eventually I failed to cover my tracks well enough, and Xerox
| spotted my username in a core dump.
|
| Back to my manager's office. "Xerox figured out what you were
| doing, and we had to tell them we would fire you. So, you're
| fired. But you still have your Teletype at home? And you have
| plenty of other work to do on the PDP-10, right? Can you work
| from home unofficially and keep track of your hours? Just
| stay away from the Sigma 7. After this all blows over, we
| will re-hire you and pay you that back pay."
|
| So I did, and they did!
| xyst wrote:
| Back when the word of your boss or manager actually meant
| something.
|
| Today, have to get that in writing otherwise risk getting
| hung out to dry in court or worse.
| zer00eyz wrote:
| No, you just need a boss you can trust. You need to not
| be a clock puncher of an employee. You need to be present
| (in an office) for these conversations to happen.
|
| This sort of thing still goes on all the time. If your
| not part of it your either in "Giant Corp" or the wrong
| company, or you have the wrong boss, or you are the wrong
| person.
| tmpz22 wrote:
| Im calling BS. Plenty of managers are in over their head.
| Plenty of managers are focused on their next career move.
| Plenty of managers will only play lip service to
| "culture" or worse "family" and after one slack DM from
| management completely fold over.
|
| Many managers see a slightly more difficult hiring
| environment (for themselves) and completely fold to
| secure their own position.
|
| EDIT: I've met many great managers, or at least
| individuals who seem great from the outside when the
| chips aren't on the table. But from the trenches I feel a
| real lack of leadership in Tech management in the current
| era.
| flkiwi wrote:
| I've had (and honored) plenty of those types of
| conversations with subordinates I've never met in person
| in any of a number of global offices. Physical presence
| isn't a prerequisite for being a good boss or worker.
| xenospn wrote:
| What a great story! Hats off to your manager.
| tim333 wrote:
| I just looked up Wikipedia on teleprinters and had no idea
| they went back as far as 1887. My school had an ASR 33
| Teletype linked to a PDP-10 in the 1970s which seemed kind
| of antique even then, although it worked ok.
|
| There's a youtube interview with Shirley showing someone
| remote working with some sort of computer like device. A
| terminal maybe? https://youtu.be/d5nzJ1rQBew?t=228
| sriram_sun wrote:
| I guess everything was "remote". My dad had to mail his code
| (punch cards) from (IIT) Madras to (IISc) Bangalore. He did
| say it was a pain though.
|
| * IISc - Indian Institute of Science
|
| * Madras, now Chennai was probably an overnight drive in the
| late 60s.
| xyst wrote:
| I tried finding a source on the work environment at the time.
| But nothing describing the work setup.
|
| Might be hidden in some biography though.
|
| Speculation: maybe they mailed in their punch cards to main
| office.
|
| Or called it in over the phone.
| KingOfCoders wrote:
| I found something in German which has a little bit in it,
| but sadly interviewers where not tech managers and didn't
| ask the right questions in several interviews I've read.
|
| https://www.manager-magazin.de/hbm/eine-firma-ohne-
| bueros-a-...
| blacklion wrote:
| Until Act which (supposedly) was approved to help fight sexism
| stops this "women only".
| dang wrote:
| Related:
|
| _A woman named "Steve" - IT pioneer, entrepreneur,
| philanthropist (2019)_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39585527 - March 2024 (123
| comments)
|
| _All-female distributed-team software startup goes big in
| 1962_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6861666 - Dec 2013
| (0 comments, but worth reading the article)
|
| _A Woman 's Place_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5692271 - May 2013 (1
| comment)
| garius wrote:
| Rest assured Steve is very much on my long-list!
|
| If Every commission 'season two' of this series, then I'll
| likely focus on figures from the software side of Silicon
| Valley. Steve makes that list in a heartbeat.
| gary_0 wrote:
| This story of Carole Ely and Lore Harp reminded me a little of
| the (fictional) women in _Halt and Catch Fire_. Fantastic show. I
| wonder if Vector Graphic was an inspiration for the writers.
| josephd79 wrote:
| It's a great show.
| flockonus wrote:
| I was trying to remember this exact show to comment on...
| fantastic show, exciting and fairly accurate (to fiction terms)
| depiction of rise of PC & internet.
| delichon wrote:
| This is further afield, but it reminded me of the novel _A Town
| Like Alice_ by Nevil Shute. The protagonist is an Englishwoman
| who inherits a legacy and uses it to open businesses that
| employ the women of an Australian outpost.
| nashashmi wrote:
| I thought Lore looked like the actress in the show
| flockonus wrote:
| Hoping for an upcoming movie in the vein of BlackBerry (2023)
| lotsofpulp wrote:
| In case you didn't know, that movie was a lot of fiction.
|
| https://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/blackberry/
|
| I assume all "documentary" or "based on real events" type media
| is completely fiction, unless specific events in the media are
| otherwise noted to be true.
| benjedwards wrote:
| If you enjoyed this, back in 2015 I wrote a feature about Lore
| Harp McGovern and her business partners for Fast Company that
| goes into the creation of Vector Graphic in detail:
| https://www.fastcompany.com/3047428/how-two-bored-1970s-hous...
| HeyLaughingBoy wrote:
| I knew this was familiar but I couldn't remember where I had
| read it before :-)
| garius wrote:
| Reading that back in the day was one of the reasons she was on
| my list for this series to write about. Was the first time I'd
| heard of her!
|
| (Love your ongoing blog and output)
| zitterbewegung wrote:
| Interestingly enough the empire fell when the Vector 4 suffered
| the same fate of Commodore (albeit later) when the Vector 4 specs
| were leaked. Although, there were a few blunders on the wikipedia
| page but this was also indicative of the era during the IBM PC /
| DOS dominance.
|
| [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_Graphic
| garius wrote:
| Yeah - one thing that didn't make the edit unfortunately was a
| few paragraphs on this. They'll make the book chapter though,
| when I write that.
|
| It was one reason I wanted to tackle Osborne first in the
| series - because Vector did, quite legitimately, Osborne Effect
| themselves with the 4. Which absolutely didn't help.
| Atreiden wrote:
| I think this paragraph says it all, really:
|
| > Although the IPO would represent a major achievement for both
| Harp and Ely, running Vector was taking a toll on their
| marriages. Ely's husband had tolerated her role at Vector as an
| outlet for her boredom, but as she continued to invest more of
| her time in the company, their relationship began to deteriorate.
| For the Harps, cracks were also appearing. Bob had also initially
| seen Vector as a side project for Lore Harp, and his direct
| involvement created further problems when the two began to hold
| different opinions on how the company should be run. He was
| resentful of the level of attention she received in the press,
| feeling it diminished his own role at Vector.
|
| Their own husbands were resentful of their success. Despite being
| direct beneficiaries of it. Their egos literally could not take
| their wives overshadowing their own accomplishments. One can
| easily imagine how other men in power felt about their presence
| in the industry.
|
| When it comes to Steve Jobs, people sing his praises as a
| visionary and leader - someone who entirely changed the game,
| even though he was non-technical. His wikipedia page is 23,000
| words, and is available in 161 languages.
|
| But a woman comes along in the same time period, building a
| company from nothing at the frontier of the very same industry,
| while offering unheard-of benefits and compensation for her
| employees, and she is cast as a villain ("Ice Queen") and
| relegated to a footnote in history. Her wikipedia page is a
| single paragraph that mostly mentions her relationship to her
| second husband. Her company, and it's legacy, ultimately
| destroyed by the men who overrode her decisions and opted to take
| the 'safer' route.
|
| A portrait of the insidious nature of sexism.
| masswerk wrote:
| To be fair, the fame of Steve Jobs is some of a different
| story: after his departure from Apple, he had been kind of a
| _persona non grata_ , and later, with the demise of NeXT (BTW
| also known for its flat hierarchy and salary structure), not
| much talked about, either. It was really with the resurgence of
| Apple and Jobs' 3rd or 4th comeback that he became idolized,
| especially after the iPhone. This is quite a biography, and it
| took 30 years and rebuilding the then most valuable company
| from what seemed to be its sure ruin to achieve this
| popularity.
| yardie wrote:
| I was just a teen when Jobs becaome iCEO at Apple. It felt
| like a big deal and the only thing that could have made it
| bigger was if Woz stepped on stage as well. It really did
| have the air of the band getting back together. At least that
| was the case for the Apple faithful.
| masswerk wrote:
| On the other hand, Jean-Louis Gassee was well remembered
| and there had been high expectations regarding an
| integration of BeOS, and even rumours of Sun maybe
| acquiring Apple. Compared to this, Jobs' return felt much
| like a "small (village) solution" with vague prospects to
| some. (Notably, this notion of "small" is somewhat
| ironical, given that Apple had been once one of the most
| successful startups in US corporate history, second only to
| Xerox.)
| blashyrk wrote:
| > Her company, and it's legacy, ultimately destroyed by men
|
| > A portrait of the insidious nature of sexism.
|
| A tad ironic to make these two statements in succession don't
| you think?
|
| I'm not saying that sexism doesn't or didn't exist (especially
| in that time period), but trying to dismiss the discrepancy on
| Wikipedia as sexism, when Jobs helped build a literal worldwide
| business empire that is Apple of today, doesn't help your case
| at all. In fact it's the opposite, it sounds like you're
| fighting windmills.
| Atreiden wrote:
| >A tad ironic to make these two statements in succession
| don't you think?
|
| Where's the irony? You'll have to point it out to me.
|
| > As a result, Harp McGovern had the opportunity to see,
| sooner than most other companies, what Microsoft was adding
| to its own operating system in an effort to capture the
| market.
|
| > It was a switch that Harp McGovern herself was inclined to
| make, so she contacted Gates and negotiated a provisional
| contract for Vector to pivot to using DOS instead of CP/M on
| far sweeter terms--and at a much faster pace--than were being
| offered to other manufacturers. "We had an amazing
| relationship with Microsoft. I'd signed a contract where
| every update and every new system in perpetuity we would get
| at no increased royalty," she explained.
|
| > The deal was taken to the board, but the collective
| decision was made that it was better to stick with the known
| quantity that was CP/M for the in-development Vector 4.
|
| She negotiated a sweetheart deal with Microsoft before their
| big break. She had a personal relationship with Bill Gates.
| This decision killed the company.
|
| > but trying to dismiss the discrepancy on Wikipedia as
| sexism, when Jobs helped build a literal worldwide business
| empire that is Apple of today, doesn't help your case at all.
| In fact it's the opposite,
|
| The final line was a summary of the article as a whole, not
| specifically the difference between Jobs' legacy and hers. I
| recognize the difference.
| blashyrk wrote:
| > Where's the irony? You'll have to point it out to me.
|
| > The deal was taken to the board, but the collective
| decision was made that it was better to stick with the
| known quantity that was CP/M for the in-development Vector
| 4.
|
| Because, if you find it relevant what the sex of the board
| members that made that mistake was, how is that any better
| than the alleged sexism that McGovern had endured? If you
| think that, you must also think that a board consisting
| mainly (or fully) of women that makes some mistake has to
| do with them being women, right?
| Atreiden wrote:
| > Because, if you find it relevant what the sex of the
| board members that made that mistake was, how is that any
| better than the alleged sexism that McGovern had endured?
|
| You've done some subtle editorializing here to try and
| make your point stronger, allow me to correct it:
|
| > ultimately destroyed by men
|
| is not what I wrote, what I wrote is
|
| > ultimately destroyed by the men who overrode her
| decisions and opted to take the 'safer' route.
|
| They convey two very different ideas. The strawman that
| you wrote implies that I believe men, by virtue of their
| sex, are responsible for the companies failure. This is
| not the case.
|
| What I wrote implies that the board rejected her proposal
| because they thought they know better. Is it conceivable
| to you that this belief might have had something to do
| with the fact that she was a female CEO, formerly a
| housewife, in an exclusively male industry?
|
| Surely you can concede that identifying sexist behavior
| and committing sexist behavior are not equivalent.
| nashashmi wrote:
| You can go into a tirade of how women when achieving the same
| role as men are treated differently. But then you would be
| ignoring the underlying roles both were MEANT to play.
|
| The man is meant to play the role of breadwinner. If he can't
| do that, he is not seen as worthy. The women is meant to play
| the role of housemaker. If she can't do that, she is seen as
| incompetent.
|
| But if the other outshines the one at their meaningful role, it
| creates tension. It creates lack of confidence. It creates
| environments where the person feels small.
|
| "I need to take care of the kids and therefore can't go to
| conference" for men is equivalent to "I need to go to the
| conference and therefore can't stay home" for women. Both are
| negatives based on the role they play.
|
| If you want to create a new world where the roles are switched,
| or where both put equal time in doing both domestic and
| professional tasks, you would be ignoring their biological,
| physical, and mental strengths.
|
| The last bit that makes the whole issue worrisome, male social
| circles are competitive on achievements rather than
| perceptions, While female social circles are vice versa.
|
| There is a world where women can be successful and pioneering.
| It exists. But it doesn't exist if there needs to be a tectonic
| shift. Like in the case here. And in the case of most normative
| systems where men and women play designated roles.
| nashashmi wrote:
| You can go into a tirade of how women when achieving the same
| role as men are treated differently. But then you would be
| ignoring the underlying roles both were MEANT to play.
|
| The man is meant to play the role of breadwinner. If he can't
| do that, he is not seen as worthy. The women is meant to play
| the role of housemaker. If she can't do that, she is seen as
| incompetent. But if the other outshines the one at their
| meaningful role, it creates tension. It creates lack of
| confidence. It creates environments where the person feels
| small. "I need to take care of the kids and therefore can't
| go to conference" for men is equivalent to "I need to go to
| the conference and therefore can't stay home" for women. Both
| are negatives based on the role they play.
|
| If you want to create a new world where the roles are
| switched, or where both put equal time in doing both domestic
| and professional tasks, you would be ignoring their
| biological, physical, and mental strengths.
|
| The last bit that makes the whole issue worrisome, male
| social circles are competitive on achievements rather than
| perceptions, While female social circles are vice versa.
|
| There is a world where women can be successful and
| pioneering. It exists. But it doesn't exist if there needs to
| be a tectonic shift. Like in the case here. And in the case
| of most normative systems where men and women play designated
| roles.
| flkiwi wrote:
| What?
| devsda wrote:
| > she is cast as a villain ("Ice Queen") and relegated to a
| footnote in history.
|
| The company failed for multiple reasons and some of those were
| a result of sexism. So, I wouldn't say it was the sole cause
| for their decline.
|
| > She told Harp that one man had complained to her about "the
| awful bitch who was running the company."
|
| While Jobs and to some extent Gates were called eccentric
| geniuses for all their misdeeds in their early years, I have no
| doubts on what Harp & Ely would be called if they attempted to
| do even half of the bad things Jobs and Gates did.
| jbellis wrote:
| I couldn't tell you the names of the founders of contemporary
| PC builders like North Star or Cromemco, either. But that's
| just because none of them lasted more than a decade or so.
|
| Even the founders of Commodore, which was 10x more successful,
| are not household names.
| 1234letshaveatw wrote:
| It's kind of gross and sophomoric to try and portray eg the
| Harp's relationship in terms of good and evil. I can't imagine
| that you would characterize their relationship in the same way
| if the roles were reversed, and what does direct beneficiary
| even mean in this context? Money was rolling in so suck it up?
| chasd00 wrote:
| being married to a person and your job is one marriage too
| many. Divorce and unhappy relationships are very common when
| one person becomes obsessed with work and the other is left in
| the cold.
| valley_guy_12 wrote:
| I remember seeing a Vector Graphics computer at a computer store
| around 1978, when I was shopping for my first computer. I was
| excited by the name Vector Graphics, only to be disappointed to
| learn that it was a meaningless name, and their computers had
| nothing to do with vectors or graphics. I vaguely remember that
| it was a generic business machine (maybe with a 16 bit version?)
| with nothing to recommend it to a hobbyist over the competition.
|
| In that era Apple had an enormous lead in graphics, software, and
| peripheral cards.
| thimkerbell wrote:
| Where is Lore Harp McGovern on Twitter?
| pxeger1 wrote:
| She's 80, so probably nowhere.
| ugur2nd wrote:
| It's a fascinating story. I feel that most things are possible
| when I see stories like this.
| laurex wrote:
| It's not just that she overcame odds as a woman in the tech
| business that amazes, but that she was so clearly someone who
| cared about people, and chose to risk her business and reputation
| more than once to stay true to her values. That's perhaps even
| more rare in this industry than being a successful female CEO.
| garius wrote:
| Something I didn't have space to mention in the piece was that
| during the recession of the early eighties, Vector went out of
| their way to support their dealer network.
|
| They offered loans and let dealers delay payments on deliveries
| to get them through the tough times.
|
| It arguably cost them ground against IBM because it squeezed
| them further financially. But it was also another reason the
| Dealer network remained fiercely loyal to Vector - especially
| under Harp.
| TMWNN wrote:
| Thanks for the article. Benji Edwards's earlier article was
| the first time I really became aware of Vector's existence.
| There are noticeably fewer mentions of the company in
| Freiberger and Swaine's _Fire in the Valley_ (1984) than,
| say, Cromemco, and far fewer than IMSAI.
| ThomPete wrote:
| there are no odds as a woman in the tech business. The tech
| industry is on of the most inclusive industries because it
| measures talent and value creation not features no one can do
| anything about
| worik wrote:
| > tech industry is on of the most inclusive industries
| because it...
|
| Where have you been?
|
| That ignoring history
| DontchaKnowit wrote:
| Ur an absolute clown if you dont think that tech is
| extremely inclusive.
|
| Every tech company on the planet is tripping over
| themselves to hire/promote more minorities because of all
| the societal pressure to implement DEI programs.
| barrenko wrote:
| No industry is inclusive, nor will ever be, that is almost by
| definition.
| toolz wrote:
| I do believe there are unique challenges to being a woman in
| tech, but the odds seem in favor of women doing well both back
| in the 70's and today with todays stats having roughly 20% of
| CS grads being female while some 23% of SWEs are female. That
| suggests there are more women in software jobs than women who
| have been pursing that career academically. What stats do you
| see that suggest the odds are against women in tech? I
| frequently recommend tech as a good field for young girls, but
| I'll probably not do that anymore if the odds are truly against
| them.
| leononame wrote:
| How ist 20%/23% good? Am I reading the numbers wrong? 40%,
| that I could agree on. But 23% is very low.
|
| Another thing is culture. The in the company's where I've
| worked at, how the men talked about women was pretty off-
| putting to be honest. They didn't do it in front of women
| (obviously), but even your nerdy developers would drop
| comments that had me wondering whether I was really in the
| ckrrect field. I'm sure the women in those places notice that
| even if it's behind their backs.
| toolz wrote:
| well I'm not making a value judgement, but we're talking
| about odds, not "good" or "bad"...if 20% of women go after
| a software job and the field is made up of an even higher
| %, that suggests the odds are amazing for women. Odds don't
| tell the whole story, but the odds seem in women's favor at
| the moment.
| leononame wrote:
| If you define odds being good as "the odds are good for
| the ones that choose to study CS", sure. But if you
| define the odds as "women overall", 20% is a relatively
| poor number in my opinion. Yes, we're getting better and
| yes, it takes time. But I don't think we can pat
| ourselves on the back here. That the women who decide to
| work on tech do well is (in my very unscientific and
| unproven) opinion just an indicator that the women who do
| join tech are on average more skilled than the men who
| decide to join tech.
|
| That's for a myriad of reasons, but the main one being
| that men gravitate to tech more, so even if they're not a
| huge talent they still might choose a career in tech,
| whereas women might prefer a different career unless they
| have a very strong calling.
| rootusrootus wrote:
| Would be nice if it were higher, for sure. And it will
| become that way, because more women go to college now than
| men. Will we care about young men being under represented
| in college before they get down to 20%? I'd like to think
| so, but I won't take that bet.
| ekms wrote:
| 23% > 20% which means if someone goes into the field of
| computer programming they're more likely to remain in the
| field if they are a woman than if they are a man. "remain
| in the field" is used as a proxy for success.
|
| You could argue about whether or not it's a good proxy for
| success, but your response sounds like you think women
| would be more likely to drop out of the field alltogether
| than men, which doesnt appear to be true
| leononame wrote:
| Does it really say that or are women just slightly more
| probable to enter the field without a degree?
|
| And I'd argue it's a pretty bad proxy. Because the field
| might be growing (or shrinking) and percentages don't
| mean anything. 23% of 10k is less than 20% of 5k, for
| example. The percentage numbers don't really indicate
| whether someone will stay in the field, it's just a
| number that's highly dependent on a lot of variables and
| a very bad indicator for "people are staying in the
| field". I'm happy to be corrected, it's just how I read
| this.
|
| Additionally, if your assumption is that 23%>20%, that
| would kind of mean that it's capped at 23%, right? Once
| more the CS degree quota is higher than 23%, following
| your logic, that would be an indicator that women are
| more likely to leave the field because it naturally
| gravitates towards 23%. But that's not based on anything,
| you could argue just as well that it's an indicator that
| more women are starting to take interest in CS as a
| career.
| bobthepanda wrote:
| consider that a lot of the culture in tech is also there
| for the first four years of undergrad, and so 23% often
| represents the people who basically made it through four
| years. are people who have experienced it for four years
| likelier to put up with more of the same?
| laurex wrote:
| Perhaps rather than simply looking at numbers for SWEs, we
| might also look at numbers for CEOs of successful companies?
| dosinga wrote:
| That's one explanation. The other is women just have to be
| better to survive the CS education so if they do, they are
| going to be better than average. Certainly true for a bunch
| of female SWEs I have worked with
| caycep wrote:
| Carol Ely eventually took over the CEO job at Sun from Scott
| McNally, I think?
| nimfan wrote:
| "Vector was late in moving from machines with 8K processing to
| 16K, which had become the new industry standard." I was
| interested in S100 bus machines, but couldn't afford one! If I'd
| only known, I'd have borrowed to buy a Vector Graphic S100 back
| then, just for the novelty of having an 8192-bit CPU! ;-)
| shortformblog wrote:
| I just wanted to say that the framing of this intro is really,
| really good. Kudos to the author, who is knocking this series out
| of the park--hell of a writer.
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