[HN Gopher] Teachers are using AI to grade essays. Some experts ...
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Teachers are using AI to grade essays. Some experts are raising
ethical concerns
Author : rntn
Score : 37 points
Date : 2024-04-06 19:37 UTC (3 hours ago)
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| feross wrote:
| Students are using AI to write their essays. Teachers are using
| AI to grade their essays.
|
| Engineers are using AI to write code. Other engineers are using
| AI to review that code.
|
| Same thing will happen in many other areas of life.
| jsheard wrote:
| Email is needlessly padded out by an AI writing assistant.
| Recipient uses AI to generate the tl;dr version.
| moffkalast wrote:
| The 8th OSI layer.
| dottjt wrote:
| The absolute worst case where I see this is in generating
| acceptance criteria for tickets. It drives me insane, because
| so many of the acceptance criteria needlessly overlap so it's
| even harder to figure out what's going on.
| akira2501 wrote:
| Students and teachers using AI to do their work for them is
| unethical.
|
| I'm not convinced engineers are broadly using AI to write
| anything important, or that AI code reviews are a significant
| part of any companies bottom line.
|
| This is a CNN article written by someone lacking the
| sophistication to actually handle the subject.
| gpderetta wrote:
| Maybe the article was written by an AI.
|
| Maybe this comment too!
| AlienRobot wrote:
| In hindsight perhaps this wasn't the best username to
| pick...
| ramon156 wrote:
| I'm glad Harmonic lets you filter some articles. the
| guardian, cnn and bcc articles have become a tumor on my
| timeline.
| RobotToaster wrote:
| To quote Zizek:
|
| "that AI will be the death of learning & so on; to this, I say
| NO! My student brings me their essay, which has been written by
| AI, & I plug it into my grading AI, & we are free! While the
| 'learning' happens, our superego satisfied, we are free now to
| learn whatever we want"
| Joker_vD wrote:
| ...why even bother with essays at all then. This is some kind
| of insane "they pretend to pay us, we pretend to work" setup
| that benefits nobody.
| zamfi wrote:
| > benefits nobody
|
| That would be the point. Why bother at all?
| ethbr1 wrote:
| Because brain development happens under external stress,
| and absent that people stay dumb.
| acchow wrote:
| Students shouldn't be turning in essays. They should turn
| in the chat history with an LLM. We need to go beyond just
| putting your own thoughts into words but instead guiding
| students on how to explore and hone their own thoughts with
| AI.
|
| If they come up with metprocesses to game this, that's a
| win.
| cjk2 wrote:
| To quote me: _" That's what happens when you go listen to
| philosophers. You get ideas. Wrong ones."_
|
| I spent a lot of time with academic philosophers and have
| found precisely fuck all insight.
| theturtletalks wrote:
| The best philosophic ideas I've read come from programmers
| and builders. I don't know why that connection exists. My
| hunch is that programming and philosophy both deal in the
| abstract so are inherently connected somehow.
| cjk2 wrote:
| Some of us take pride in the fact we aren't.
|
| I suspect we'll be all that is left in the information decay we
| face.
| mateo1 wrote:
| Learning is unique as the whole point is to do the thinking
| yourself.
| saurik wrote:
| Advertisers are using AI to write ad copy. Consumers are using
| AI to read and ignore ads.
|
| So, developers and users get into an AI war over CAPTCHAs.
| ...and, well, welcome to the latent dystopia :(.
| checker659 wrote:
| Checkmate suckers (er, I mean students)!
| dottjt wrote:
| My first impression is that teachers would primarily be doing
| this if schools are understaffed and teachers are overworked.
|
| But I'm sure there's a million other factors as well i.e. you're
| saving time regardless.
| internetter wrote:
| I can't imagine AI is very good at grading, as in ingesting the
| entire internet, it has converged on the median, most average
| writing.
| kleene_op wrote:
| Since students themself use AI to write essays, those grading
| AI will be evaluating the most average writing anyway. We've
| now come full circle, just losing our ability to write in the
| process.
| sandspar wrote:
| The hero's journey: end up back where you started, having
| gained something in the process.
|
| AI's journey: end up back where you started, having lost
| something in the process.
| HPsquared wrote:
| The AI gains more training data. It's not exactly the
| Odyssey, but still.
| washadjeffmad wrote:
| Teachers are using AI to generate multiple choices tests from
| reading assignments and assigning to students via all-in-one
| portals.
|
| There are a host of services that leverage open multi-modal open
| models tailored to everything right now, from generating syllabi
| and course shells to handling your ARD. It's removing the
| administrative overhead that computerization promised in the 70s
| and 80s that largely stalled out because IT management had to
| manufacture some dependence to keep their jobs.
| tptacek wrote:
| I kind of like this as a productive use of LLMs. A rare case
| where I can imagine the model would be more effective than a
| skilled human.
| ametrau wrote:
| This is really bad. I can see many teachers defending the result
| the AI gives a student out of stubbornness and fear of being
| discovered using it. And that's a disaster.
| t-3 wrote:
| From what I've read, many teachers using AI for grading are
| being supplied commercial AI tools by the schools themselves.
| They're _expected_ to be using it. Given the trend towards
| lower budgets and larger classes, I can 't imagine pushback
| against AI tools being taken very seriously by administrators.
| add-sub-mul-div wrote:
| I was naive when this AI era was first getting started. My
| instinct was to worry about students doing the cheating, not
| getting cheated.
| avery17 wrote:
| Students have always been getting cheated.
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