[HN Gopher] The Tale of Daniel
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The Tale of Daniel
Author : hwayne
Score : 137 points
Date : 2024-04-01 15:17 UTC (7 hours ago)
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| breckognize wrote:
| Graph of Daniel vs time:
| https://rowzero.io/workbook/CA82F353F7060CA9411A12EB
| pvg wrote:
| And, for those who enjoy historical primary sources, _Damn,
| Daniel_ , 2016 CE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfFcyTuopbI
| em-bee wrote:
| because of the date, i'm gonna let this pass
| aidenn0 wrote:
| Might be nice to adjust per-capita if that information is
| available.
| kwhitefoot wrote:
| That was fun and very much in the spirit of Hacker News.
| JohnMakin wrote:
| Word of caution on giving children "interesting" or cute names -
| my father's legal first name was a variation on "daniel" (a
| common nickname) and since his passing and becoming the executor
| of what little was left of his estate, I was astounded at how
| many stupid issues he had with credit reports and even dumb
| things like utility bills incorrectly "correcting" his name to
| Daniel.
| ginko wrote:
| I never understood why people do that in the first place. Sure,
| call your son Billy but putting William in the documents
| doesn't hurt.
| vundercind wrote:
| Those, and even worse the "cute" spelling variations on
| normal names, are baffling to me. You've just condemned your
| kid to a lifetime of minor (and sometimes more-than-minor)
| hassles, with very little justification.
|
| [edit] I actually think a lot of "bad" celebrity kid names
| are a ton better than that crap. At least with "Apple" and
| "Rocket" folks can guess the correct spelling nearly 100% of
| the time.
| bee_rider wrote:
| I dunno, I have a pretty weird name from before it became a
| fad. I've enjoyed the benefit of things like instructors
| remembering my name. It is small but a nice perk. Not sure
| if it would apply now that everyone has a weird name.
|
| Also if your name gets autocorrected maybe it'll throw the
| data aggregators off your scent.
| losvedir wrote:
| As the father of a son named Daniel, I found this fascinating.
| Thanks!
|
| I think I agree with the comment in the conclusion that Torah
| names are used by non-Jews when a Christian comes across the
| name. But I don't think in this case it's because of the supposed
| prophecies about Jesus but because the stories about Daniel in
| the Book of Daniel are memorable. I remember hearing about
| "Daniel in the Lion's Den" and Daniel sitting in flames in church
| and in my Children's Bible stories.
|
| But I chose the name for my son not (directly) because of its
| religious significance but because it's a normal, known name, in
| both English and Spanish. That is, neither a WASP American or a
| Mexican will really bat an eye at it. As a Hispanic American,
| that's something I've appreciated about my own name, Gabriel (and
| would love a historical deep dive on that name!). I couldn't
| really find any other names like that.
| 082349872349872 wrote:
| David, Leonardo, Sebastian? (just going off baby name sites;
| wonder what ads I'll be seeing for the next few weeks?)
|
| There was a line in _To Kill a Mockingbird_ about being named
| for a Confederate general leading to slow, steady, drinking,
| but when I looked at
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_Civil_War_gen...
| they have the WASP standards: British kings, Other kings,
| Biblical.
|
| (they also don't [from looking at A-C] seem to have the
| <ancestral name> <everyday name> <family name> triad that was
| common in certain parts of the US during my youth)
| madcaptenor wrote:
| As a father of a daughter named Claudia, it has that property
| as well, although that doesn't help you since you have a son.
| aidenn0 wrote:
| Gabriel also appears in both the Hebrew scriptures (in the
| Ketuvim, which only names two angels) and the Gospels, being
| both the angel who explains Daniel's visions to him, and
| involved in the revelations for the births of both Jesus and
| John the Baptist.
|
| Is Michael (or it s cognate) at all common as a name in Mexico?
| That's a figure that is at least as prominent as Gabriel across
| the Abrahamic religions (in particular the prominent inclusion
| in the Leonine Prayers keep it a popular name in many Roman
| Catholic regions).
| klipt wrote:
| > Michael (or it s cognate) at all common as a name in Mexico
|
| That would be Miguel.
| justusthane wrote:
| You might like this site, which gives name overlaps between two
| languages:
| https://mixedname.com/english_spanish_masculine_names
| limaoscarjuliet wrote:
| That Venn diagram showing a child coming out from center of
| two round overlapping circles might be not the best choice,
| especially when pink color circles are at play when looking
| for feminine names :-)
|
| P.S. A bit of noise in the data too, some names in
| Polish/English pairs are not really good.
| Hayvok wrote:
| > I remember hearing about "Daniel in the Lion's Den" and
| Daniel sitting in flames in church and in my Children's Bible
| stories.
|
| Minor nitpick, but it was Daniel's three friends who were
| thrown into the furnace, not Daniel himself.
|
| They are both indeed memorable stories.
| AlotOfReading wrote:
| Gabriel is a conjunction of gabri- (heroic man), and -el (god),
| roughly translating to "man of God". -el is just a generic
| proto-semitic word for god that long predates any sort of
| written language. gabri- is likely _related_ to a well known
| Aramean king named Gabbar, documented in the Kilamuwa stela
| alongside his (honorable) god Ba 'al SMD. It's entirely
| possible that there's some recursive etymology here though, as
| is common with dynastic names.
| danielvf wrote:
| A fun article!
|
| I think a more probable understanding of the "Daniel" reference
| in Ezekiel is that it is same Daniel from the book of Daniel.
|
| Even if you assume that the prophecies in the book of Daniel were
| written retroactively 600 years later (given the accuracy of
| described events) it does not preclude an actual powerful person
| of that name being alive at same time as Ezekiel, and being the
| basis for later attribution.
|
| Both Ezekiel and Daniel are written covering a similar set of
| years. Both refer to a person named Daniel widely famous for his
| "righteousness". It would seem improbable that they were talking
| about entirely different people.
|
| Again, had a lot of fun reading that.
| cess11 wrote:
| On what grounds do you consider it more likely that an
| historical person rather than the book of Ezekiel inspired the
| author of the book of Daniel to use the name? How do you
| explain the lack of other texts about this person if he was
| that popular and important?
| margalabargala wrote:
| > How do you explain the lack of other texts about this
| person if he was that popular and important?
|
| On the contrary, based on the linked article, it seems that
| there are several works of literature from the time
| referencing Daniel. In fact, for some languages, it appears
| that close to 100% of known writing samples reference Daniel
| (because there are only one or two examples).
| MrGilbert wrote:
| Oh, this is really cool. As a "Daniel" myself, I really
| appreciate the background story of my name.
|
| Sometimes, it's also interesting to get to know the story of how
| someone got their name. When my mum was younger, there was a
| really cute little boy my mum really liked when she was on
| vacation with my grandparents. Not in a romantic way, as he was,
| like, still a small kid. And she then decided that, when I was
| born in '86, I should receive his name. I found this super cute,
| and It's one of those stories that will always remind me of my
| mum.
| dkh wrote:
| My wife's grandparents on her father's side were Swedish
| immigrants to the USA, but her father has never known much at
| all about the Swedish background. A few years ago my wife got
| really into the ancestry.com thing, and after doing some
| digging, discovered that her father's first name is what his
| family's last name was in Sweden, up until migrating to
| America. While they took on a different, common last name as
| many did back then, they passed the old name on in their son. I
| thought this was fascinating, and so did he, as he never knew
| any of this, either!
|
| Just another Daniel born in '86 sharing an interesting name
| origin story. (My own isn't as wild -- my mother loved the
| Elton John song.)
| Archelaos wrote:
| For relatively detailed information on the Ugaritic "Danel" and
| his relation to the Book of Ezekiel, see his Wikipedia article at
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danel
| 082349872349872 wrote:
| Anyone know of any theories regarding the naming of the robot
| Daneel?
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._Daneel_Olivaw
| vundercind wrote:
| Oh wow, don't encounter Lichtheim too often on most parts of the
| Web!
|
| There's a third volume, too. Nb they were released far enough
| apart that later volumes contain errata for earlier ones (like
| calling out fraudulent or mistaken dates on some of the works,
| which errors weren't discovered until after the volume was
| printed)
|
| I've read them cover to cover. Tried that with single-volume
| collections of Akkadian and Sumerian literature, but they were
| way harder to follow--too fragmentary, too little context. Didn't
| finish either.
|
| Gilgamesh is amazing though, and easily the best pre-Homeric work
| I've read, zero competitors are even close.
| DanielHB wrote:
| As someone named Daniel it is really nice that it is a common
| name in most European languages and never deviates in spelling.
| Please people give your children the most boring name possible.
| nuxi wrote:
| > ...never deviates in spelling.
|
| In South Slavic languages it's spelled Danijel as well (same
| pronunciation).
| SoftTalker wrote:
| Also, and not claiming there is any cause/effect but there is a
| correlation, at least for men, between short, common names and
| career success. C-level individuals tend to have short, one-
| syllable names (or nicknames) like Jack, Fred, Tim, Don, etc.
| danielodievich wrote:
| Apparently my parents didn't know what to name me for about a
| week and eventually settled on Daniel, in this spelling it was a
| very unusual name in Soviet Union at the time. I think they liked
| some famous polish actor
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Olbrychski.
|
| A more slavic spelling of this is Danilo but it was even less
| popular than Daniel.
|
| I knew only one other Daniel and he was a son of family's friends
| and apparently named after me. I didn't much care for him, but
| that's beside the point.
|
| Coming to USA and it was a bit sad to no longer have a very
| unique name. It's okay though, my last name is very unique...
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