[HN Gopher] Overlay networks based on WebRTC
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Overlay networks based on WebRTC
Author : keepamovin
Score : 78 points
Date : 2024-03-29 17:00 UTC (6 hours ago)
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| EGreg wrote:
| Good work! I just want to point out that WebRTC requires servers
| for STUN and TURN.
|
| If I may, we also developed an open source solution for WebRTC
| videoconferencing, livestreaming and even peer-to-peer
| broadcasting to unlimited numbers of people! Feel free to use it:
|
| https://community.qbix.com/t/teleconferencing-and-live-broad...
| megous wrote:
| It does not require either of those.
| ongy wrote:
| NAT traversal is the first point on the feature list of the
| linked repo. So in context, it's important to point out.
|
| While in theory it doesn't it reduces the possible
| connections quite a bit. Though STUN servers are plenty on
| the internet and free to use. There's even a service
| providing TURN (US geo though), but I have no idea who runs
| it and what their business model is, so I wouldn't rely on
| it.
| xori wrote:
| Hyperswarm has been my go-to for stuff like this, but you bring
| up a good point that I don't think it's encrypted.
|
| https://github.com/holepunchto/hyperswarm
| apitman wrote:
| Can hyperswarm be used to set up a generic IP network?
| apitman wrote:
| Onto the list[0] it goes.
|
| I always have the feeling that WebRTC had so much more potential
| than has been realized. I wonder how things might have turned out
| differently if it had better server and browser support ~5 years
| ago. I remember trying to use it for a game at the time and had
| trouble finding a good server implementation, and had all sorts
| of issues with Safari.
|
| In the near future I'm not sure there will be much reason to use
| it over WebTransport, unless you're doing p2p. I actually prefer
| WebRTC's data channel API, since you can get separate datagram
| streams, whereas with WebTransport you have to multiplex them
| yourself[1].
|
| [0]: https://github.com/anderspitman/awesome-tunneling
|
| [1]: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc9221#name-
| multiplex...
| billywhizz wrote:
| i've long felt the same. i came to conclusion the browser
| vendors decided it was kind of a mistake. it enables all sorts
| of local first and p2p things that cut out the service
| providers.
|
| hopefully it will get some attention again. i have done a bunch
| of really interesting experiments with data channels. being
| able to choose the reliability is nice for sure.
| treyd wrote:
| > it enables all sorts of local first and p2p things that cut
| out the service providers.
|
| And this is another reason why the web will always be a shaky
| foundation for local first and p2p software.
| Sean-Der wrote:
| WebRTC will live on. I think it will continue to grow from
| grassroots efforts.
|
| WebRTC has P2P and it also doesn't require the user to have any
| knowledge of Video/Networking. The alternatives to it are more
| geared at 'video developers'. I don't know which way the future
| will go.
| andai wrote:
| > had all sorts of issues with Safari
|
| Tangential rant, but this appears to be intentional. As far as
| I can tell, Apple is intentionally lagging behind supporting
| various web technologies, to make the web as unattractive as
| possible (within their ecosystem), and by extension, to make
| native app development as attractive as possible, so they can
| take a cut of the profits.
|
| If their reasoning is correct, then they would actually lose
| money by _not_ investing into their own browser engine, which
| is somewhat amusing, because the worse of a job they do, the
| more money they make.
|
| (I find this idea particularly painful in the context of "we at
| Apple love web technology so much, we're going to use our love
| of web as our main excuse for killing Flash"...)
| samtheprogram wrote:
| Around 5 years ago, peer negotiation got massively simplified
| with new additions to the spec (see Perfect Negotiation). If
| you're on a browser released since then, your life will be far
| easier.
| rmdes wrote:
| Felicitas is one of those devs, every repository on her profile
| is a gem to learn from, and well documented!
| tptacek wrote:
| I can't tell for sure without actually checking the repo out but
| this looks to be GCM with random nonces using a command line flag
| string as the fixed key for the network.
|
| If you're trying to build a modern encrypted multipoint overlay
| network, MLS is a good place to start.
| orion138 wrote:
| Did you mean MPLS? Or could you link to MLS?
| k__ wrote:
| Is this like web-onion?
| egberts1 wrote:
| That's the first thing I disable in all enterprise/office PCs'
| browser: WebRTC.
|
| Disclosure: I am an cybersecurity architect of IDS/NDS/XNS.
| egberts1 wrote:
| Meh, WebRTC ... it's not for everyone.
| mrkramer wrote:
| WebTorrent[0] is also good WebRTC P2P project.
|
| [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebTorrent
| evbogue wrote:
| I recently started using Trystero to send messages and video
| around via WebRTC.
|
| https://oxism.com/trystero/
| pappapisshu wrote:
| ADGT.js [0] was another P2P overlay network based on WebRTC.
|
| [0] https://doi.org/10.1002/cpe.4254
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