[HN Gopher] Cloud host Vultr rips user data ownership clause fro...
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       Cloud host Vultr rips user data ownership clause from ToS after web
       outrage
        
       Author : gnabgib
       Score  : 41 points
       Date   : 2024-03-28 21:40 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.theregister.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.theregister.com)
        
       | djbusby wrote:
       | People Power! The system worked (this time).
        
       | ChrisArchitect wrote:
       | Related, some of that outrage:
       | 
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39836495
        
       | renewiltord wrote:
       | They wanted to cover their community forums and they ended up
       | covering everything. Funny. Legal documents are such a god damned
       | minefield.
        
         | SCUSKU wrote:
         | Ah that makes a lot more sense. It seemed so outrageous that
         | they would try to claim ownership of all hosted user generated
         | content, but that makes sense that it was targeted at their
         | community forum, and then misinterpreted.
        
           | kstrauser wrote:
           | It wasn't misinterpreted. It was miswritten. They _might_
           | have intended to only cover their forums, but what they
           | actually wrote gave them the keys to the kingdom.
        
       | kstrauser wrote:
       | > "It's clearly causing confusion for some portion of users. We
       | recognize that the average user doesn't have a law degree,"
       | Kardwell said.
       | 
       | What the hell. No, Kardwell. We weren't _confused_. We read your
       | words, understood the implications, and complained. It was
       | because were _weren 't_ confused.
       | 
       | "The customers are too stupid to understand." Yeah, that surely
       | must be it.
       | 
       | From the article:
       | 
       | > User content was defined as "the information, text, opinions,
       | messages, comments, audio visual works, motion pictures,
       | photographs, animation, videos, graphics, sounds, music,
       | software, apps, and any other content or material that you or
       | your end users submit, upload, post, host, store, or otherwise
       | make available" using Vultr's resources.
       | 
       | "...that you or your end users... _host_ ". Maybe Vultr had
       | nothing but the best _intentions_ , but their legalese was
       | catastrophically bad. If Vultr truly meant well, then the only
       | people confused were their legal team who drafted a ToS that
       | didn't reflect their intent.
        
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