[HN Gopher] A ChatGPT for Music Is Here. Inside Suno, the Startu...
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A ChatGPT for Music Is Here. Inside Suno, the Startup Changing
Everything
Author : herbertl
Score : 100 points
Date : 2024-03-18 15:52 UTC (7 hours ago)
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| throwaway4736 wrote:
| This reads like paid placement to me. Gross.
| heurist wrote:
| Titles that include "the X that Y" are always a signal to skip
| for me.
| dharma1 wrote:
| Cheesy headline but the app is better than any other AI music app
| I've tried before. Hours of fun
| hhh wrote:
| Suno is pretty good, but this feels like a puff piece.
| lenerdenator wrote:
| Very best-case scenario: this is a lateral move for the art of
| music.
| taco_emoji wrote:
| Great, we need to auto-generate even more shitty art
| elif wrote:
| suno v3 actually generates some really good music.
|
| most genres are more formulaic than people want to believe.
| AlexandrB wrote:
| The real question is who is going to make the next new genre
| if there's no money in being a musician. You can't tell suno
| v3 to make a "grunge" song if "grunge" doesn't exist yet.
| bamboozled wrote:
| Insert basically anything here.
|
| We're destroying incentives at a rate of knots, oh well...
| Jensson wrote:
| > most genres are more formulaic than people want to believe.
|
| The biggest crime is copyrighting the best intro chord
| sequences in the 1960's, and since then everyone has to make
| slight variations or they would be called out for copying. We
| can't make good music today due to copyrights...
| Pine_Mushroom wrote:
| Chord sequences are not subject to copyright.
| Jensson wrote:
| What else stops people from playing the first 10 seconds
| from a song? Its just a few chords in a sequence. The
| reason I've heard people don't do that is that they will
| get a copyright strike.
| Pine_Mushroom wrote:
| I would think maybe this is a 'hack' to avoid bots that
| scan for copyrighted material?
| CuriouslyC wrote:
| It's more about raising the quality floor.
| og_kalu wrote:
| This is a Suno generation - https://on.soundcloud.com/SrcwN
| boringg wrote:
| Impressive and at the same time brutal.
| AlexandrB wrote:
| It's funny/telling that it's seemingly so self-referential -
| the lyrics I can understand are about "synthetic harmonies",
| "mechanized cadences", etc. This is kind of like how >90% of
| NFTs was art referencing Bitcoin or cryptocurrency memes. Is it
| possible to make something about actual human
| problems/experiences with this? I'm guessing so, but this is
| certainly not a good example of that.
|
| I do wonder how much of this stuff is going to flood Spotify
| and co. and make payouts to actual artists even smaller.
| nicksrose7224 wrote:
| tbh i could not tell the difference between this & generic
| technostep made by people. Sounds just as crappy to me
| ado__dev wrote:
| I've played around with Suno a bit. As someone that has literally
| negative music talent, it was cool to be able to create music. I
| can't tell you if it was good by any musical standards, but I had
| fun with it and some lols, so from my perspective, a fun app.
| ShamelessC wrote:
| How exactly does a company of 12 people implementing the research
| of others on compute paid for by investors lacking in technical
| savvy "change everything"? Is it really possible to just pay for
| an article in rolling stone now? You could write essentially the
| exact same piece about dozens of other start ups in the
| generative AI space right now.
|
| Might be effective PR, but it's bad advertising.
| elif wrote:
| like this:
|
| https://app.suno.ai/song/ebe24f8b-f50f-43f3-8062-2c081d7c9dc...
|
| (this is the old v2 algorithm available to free users)
| cs702 wrote:
| Thank you for _that_! I needed the laugh!
| afro88 wrote:
| "A melancholic electronic ambient song in the style of boards of
| canada"
|
| I got a female singer songwriter playing a downtempo acoustic
| song singing words describing my prompt, ha
|
| Still impressive, but not "chatgpt for music".
| mike_red5hift wrote:
| IDK, I feel like creating music and causing music to be created
| are not the same thing.
| jerpint wrote:
| There was a recent episode on The Latent Space podcast where they
| spoke with one of the Suno founders, I really enjoyed it
|
| https://open.spotify.com/episode/2c1yL8hlttlkCs6nPysVi0?si=O...
| m3kw9 wrote:
| Music with no soul, it would be like eating fake meat that tasted
| very real. Not bad if you weren't told before hand
| friend_and_foe wrote:
| To be fair, most commercialized music is formulaic, the only
| difference is that people had to be paid to record it.
|
| I think the biggest problem with AI generated stuff is that the
| I in AI is hype, these things can't create real novelty.
| They're a new, poorly understood form of compression. If
| creativity is left to these AIs then the music will sound the
| same in 20 years at best, or more likely, degrade/converge when
| they're all trained on each other's and their own material.
| chefandy wrote:
| Lots of art techniques-- e.g. a basic set of shapes to help
| draw heads with correct proportions-- are formulaic. That
| doesn't make them any less artistic than someone just
| throwing down marks based on their gut instinct. Music itself
| has been boiled down to a mathematical and artistic
| scaffolding that people have worked within for _centuries._
| There are also a whole hell of a lot of creative decisions in
| between the sheet music and the finished product:
| instrumentation and all of the subtleties that go into it,
| recording itself is SO deep and heavily affects the outcome,
| everything that goes into post production to add all of the
| color and texture that makes it great... even within
| recording it, do you know how many hours people spend pouring
| over really great studio takes because they all land a little
| differently? This just takes what other people have already
| done and mushes it together. Is it interesting? Interesting
| as hell. Could it be useful to people making art? I 'm a
| commercial artist in a different realm and generative AI has
| been very useful in generating specific references or doing
| some sort of concept test instead of sketching it out. It
| could be used as a tool to help make art, but is it making
| art? Not by any definition I think makes sense. The idea that
| this is just an incremental step in current commercial music
| production is only possible if you don't actually know what
| it takes to make it. The very same thing is true of video
| games, TV& movies, graphic design, etc. etc. etc.
| friend_and_foe wrote:
| Yeah, I think what it comes down to is AI can be another
| tool in the artist's toolbox to create novelty, but by
| itself it is incapable of doing so.
| amelius wrote:
| Yes, but I imagine if you put a human inside a brain scanner,
| add a feedback loop that uses AI, then you can generate novel
| stuff with the human being used to just passively rate the
| output of the AI. You could build a small farm with humans,
| and generate novel commercial music.
| friend_and_foe wrote:
| > then you generate novel stuff
|
| There's a lot you're glossing over here. That's the part
| that AI simply can't do.
| Legend2440 wrote:
| >"The long-running dystopian ideal of separating difficult,
| messy, undesirable, and despised humanity from its creative
| output is at hand,"
|
| My god, these people are so melodramatic. If I could roll my eyes
| any harder they'd fall out of my head.
| bangaroo wrote:
| i threw $10 into it to play with the new V3 algorithm
|
| much like dall-e it's wildly impressive at first glance and the
| more you bang your head against it, the more the cracks show
|
| it's very repetitive, doesn't often fit lyrics properly into
| bars, song structure often makes very little sense, the list goes
| on
|
| it is simultaneously very cool and incapable of accomplishing its
| goal reliably.
| spaceman_2020 wrote:
| Have you found any tool that can make sections instead of
| entire songs?
|
| For instance, I want a specific type of beat or horns section
| for one of my tracks. Usually means digging through libraries
| but an AI tool would be perfect for it
| CuriouslyC wrote:
| https://about.fb.com/news/2023/08/audiocraft-generative-
| ai-f...
| TZubiri wrote:
| It's also a prototype, you are numb and spoiled by the speed of
| technological advancements.
|
| Like with good art, you need to learn how to appreciate it, see
| it not for whether it can be useful to you for 10$, but for
| what it can be in the future with a cost structure so cheap
| they can afford to run it on 10$ subscriptions.
| chefandy wrote:
| > It's also a prototype, you are numb and spoiled by the
| speed of technological advancements.
|
| > Like with good art, you need to learn how to appreciate it,
| see it not for whether it can be useful to you for 10$, but
| for what it can be in the future with a cost structure so
| cheap they can afford to run it on 10$ subscriptions.
|
| Nonsense. This is a commercial art product and the _gee whiz_
| factor doesn 't put it beyond critique of its artistic merit.
| The person being disappointed for what they got for $10 is a
| whole lot less spoiled than the tech industry that feels
| entitled to charge people money for a product and only expect
| positive feedback. If you want to buy this because of the
| novelty factor, go nuts; other people need to see if products
| are useful to them before they buy things, and other people's
| experiences are the primary way we determine that.
| chpatrick wrote:
| Sir, your dog can talk...
| Solvency wrote:
| It just launched and in 5 years it's going to be better than
| Sora is at making videos.
|
| In the meantime, thousands to millions of writers/producers are
| going to use this to rapidly block out pop songs and rake in
| $$$ because they'll use it like the genius tool that it is.
| lambdas wrote:
| >thousands to millions of writers/producers are going to use
| this to rapidly block out pop songs
|
| I'd never considered how the inevitable dystopia would sound,
| and it's worse than I ever dared to fear
| FridgeSeal wrote:
| There is no area of human creativity safe from hyper-
| commoditisation by ML models.
| edgyquant wrote:
| The ML models are a symptom of an already hyper-
| commoditized world where all the soul and human condition
| has been sucked out of every instance of creativity. AI
| is just letting us see it from a distance
| chefandy wrote:
| BS. There's a hell of a lot of art in commercial art, and
| trying to make it appealing enough for people to pay for
| doesn't change that. This glib "no TRUE artist cares
| about making money" idea, and the closely coupled belief
| that commercial art isn't real art are just handy mental
| shortcuts to cop out of considering the economic damage
| this technology will do to working artists.
| MrScruff wrote:
| Alternatively, you could argue that the vast majority of
| released music is already unimaginative rubbish.
| Industrialising the creation of more of it will make
| releasing this type of material completely pointless, so
| perhaps there will be more of a focus on finding original
| music to cut through the grey goo?
| adriand wrote:
| I've thought a fair bit about what the future of music
| looks like in the age of AI and I'm not convinced that much
| will change. The ease of making music on computers already
| set the skill bar super low. In 2021 Spotify reported that
| 60k tracks are submitted to the platform _every day_. Will
| it really make a difference if this number goes up by 10X?
|
| What knowledge workers fear about AI already happened to
| musicians years ago. There's a reason that the vast
| majority of musicians have to work a different job. This
| new tool will not make much difference to musicians, who
| are already economically marginalized.
| pmontra wrote:
| Considering that we can only listen to about 15 songs per
| hour, times 16 hours = 240 songs per day, those AI composers
| won't make that much money each. If there are 1000 of them
| I'd need 4 days of uninterrupted listening to listen to a
| song of each of them. 1 million composers? 4000 days, 11
| years.
|
| We'll be where we are at now: selection because of genre
| preferences, quality, fame, marketing.
| mitthrowaway2 wrote:
| > rake in $$$
|
| How could they charge a high price when the supply of
| competition is so abundant?
| cdme wrote:
| Couldn't be less interested -- art is interesting for its human
| qualities. This is pointless dreck.
| tgv wrote:
| There is also music for other functions: entertainment,
| background, dancing. Perhaps it finds niche there, because
| -let's be honest- most of the music in that category is made on
| the automatic pilot anyway.
|
| But I also find it an idiotic attempt. It doesn't inform us
| about anything, and it makes any idiot with a mouse think they
| can create. Instead, they're listening to music that's worse
| than what YouTube has to offer.
| NoraCodes wrote:
| > Perhaps it finds niche there, because -let's be honest-
| most of the music in that category is made on the automatic
| pilot anyway.
|
| Can you give some examples? In my experience, most music,
| even music we think of as banal or boring, had a pretty
| significant amount of effort, and creativity, put into its
| creation.
| taberiand wrote:
| I predict people will soon be saying this while lauding "human
| art" that they don't realise is completely AI generated.
| cdme wrote:
| No, this is filler generated by and for people that never
| appreciated music in the first place.
| joshstrange wrote:
| You don't see any value in someone who can do part of writing
| music/lyrics, but not all of it, using this tool to complete
| the aspect that they're not skilled at?
|
| I mean that's where AI shines for me, letting 1 person (or few
| people) accomplish what would have required teams of skilled
| people to do. It's the same story with tech in general. I write
| code that runs on web/android/iOS that has processed over a
| half a million dollars through it as a single-person company.
| That was all pre-AI, my point being that technology and the
| tools it produces allow us to do amazing things. I see AI as
| only furthering that.
|
| Now I can create custom sounds using AI, let AI help with
| marketing copy that I'm not good at, have it generate
| cartoon/simple pictures to explain a process for my software,
| etc. A world limited not by my skillset but by my imagination.
|
| I know people hate electron apps but the alternative is often
| no app (not a native app), in the same vein tools like this
| will allow people who can write lyrics but not music to share
| their songs. It won't be for everyone but there is value in it.
| cdme wrote:
| I don't. No. I can understand drum programming, which is
| leveraged by one of my favorite solo death metal artists
| (though he hired a live drummer when budget permitted).
|
| There's a thought and intentionality to what's being created
| -- I don't want what comes out of a prompt.
|
| I want to follow artists and their output, not an algorithm
| or AI that mimics ones and is trained by questionably feeding
| on their output.
|
| No, none of this is appealing. I can't control what anyone
| else does, but for me? No, no thanks.
| rauljordan2020 wrote:
| Except that if I heard this on the radio or in my music
| streaming recommendations I'd think it's a banger and would be
| jamming to it all day. A song I heard from the site earlier
| blew my mind and my friends were asking me who the artist was.
| The lines are more blurry than we think. The song made my day
| and made me emotional and that's enough for me
| sseagull wrote:
| Does your perception of the song change depending on who the
| artist is?
|
| What would you think of the piece if the artist was a young
| girl? A grown Turkish man? Someone who is deaf? A neo-Nazi
| Holocaust denier? A rich businessman using AI and just
| looking to make more money? A poor teenager using a computer
| at their library?
|
| I think most people's like/dislike/perception of the song
| would be colored by who made it and how it was made.
|
| You can't always separate the art from the artist.
| thomassmith65 wrote:
| The most truly 'human' music is a group of people chanting in
| unison, maybe stamping feet and clapping hands. It's unlikely
| we had instruments for most of our evolution. There's no
| evidence we had complex harmony nor even chords for most of the
| existence of our species.
| thefaux wrote:
| I don't think you should exclude a single voice singing alone
| from truly human music. There are things that only a single
| individual can do musically as well as things that only a
| group can do. But I will say from experience that singing in
| a group (particularly improvisationally) is one of the best
| experiences in life and I seek it out as much as possible.
| Listening to ai generated blues on the other hand...
| nox101 wrote:
| Amazing!
|
| I find it interesting that at https://suno.ai the prompt "make a
| song for your workout" IMO failed. It's a nice song but it's not
| a song I'd think of as "for your workout".
|
| Not as amazing because it's only providing the singing but I've
| been pretty impressed with the Synthesizer V demos.
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugK78gC12wc
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJGie5MC_Ic
|
| https://youtu.be/KX0lcVr9ugI?si=D2MQkGSY-7Z9jryf&t=213
| shafyy wrote:
| "A ChatGPT for Music Is Here. Inside Suno, the Startup Changing
| Everything"
|
| My fucking god, I'm really disgusted by "journalists" who hype up
| everything so that they can get a few clicks. Journalism ought to
| be critical, objective and investigative.
| 4ndrewl wrote:
| "journalism is printing what someone else does not want
| printed; everything else is public relations."
| swyx wrote:
| For a more technical dive, we just interviewed Mikey (CEO) on the
| pod: https://www.latent.space/p/suno
| xpl wrote:
| I've been playing with it (their V3 model) and its super cool.
| The best of what I've seen so far.
|
| How to get fun:
|
| 1. Use "custom mode" (to feed your own lyrics). Auto-generated
| lyrics is lame.
|
| 2. Create wild "remixes" of your favorite tracks or poetry. E.g.
| I was able to create nu-metal or opera versions of my favorite
| hip-hop tracks. It can even sing in Russian (my native tongue) --
| and I was amazed of the quality of generation.
|
| Can't wait until these models will become more controllable --
| like ControlNet but for music. We need more knobs!
| isusmelj wrote:
| This is really cool.
|
| Song: https://app.suno.ai/song/83680b6f-db37-44de-
| adf9-3f7fff6b79d...
|
| Prompt: A 90s hip-hop song with a male singer with a deep voice
| singing about how AI models are creating new songs after being
| trained on all the data of artists. Talks about AI models are
| stealing the show.
|
| Lyrics:
|
| [Verse] Step back, my friend, 'cause the future's here AI models
| spittin' rhymes, oh so clear (oh so clear) Trained on data from
| all the greats Now they're droppin' beats that dominate
| (dominate)
|
| [Verse 2] Don't need no ghostwriters or melody makers These AI
| models are the true risk-takers (oh yeah) Analyzin' every flow,
| every precise word Stealing the show, that's just absurd (it's
| absurd)
|
| [Chorus] AI takin' over, breakin' the mold Stolen styles, but
| they're icy cold (they're icy cold) The game's been changed, no
| human control The rise of the AI flow, takin' its toll (takin'
| its toll)
| setgree wrote:
| that's a deep voice?
|
| Still, I am surprised by how professional this sounds -- beat
| drops, fade ins and fade outs...I can record music on
| GarageBand but I have no idea how to do any of that.
|
| > AI takin' over, breakin' the mold > The game's been changed,
| no human control
|
| Oh no!!!
| numbsafari wrote:
| It's also very much not 90s or hip-hop
| edgyquant wrote:
| Yeah I noticed this too. I spent a lot of credits trying to
| get a song to sound like early black flag, even outright
| saying an 80s hardcore punk band with rough male vocals and
| a fast paced beat, and it only ever sounded like a 90s pop
| punk bank eg blink 182.
|
| Had a similar issue trying to create a reggae song that
| sounds like the Maytals, every song either sounded like a
| female hip hop artist or rebelution.
| microtherion wrote:
| If you prompt for "metal", it seems to always end up with
| hair metal. Prompts for "death metal" do sound somewhat
| harsher, though.
|
| And "jazz" songs are generated with rather-unjazzy song
| forms (No AABA to be found). Asking for "hardbop", you
| still get generic hold music jazz.
| CuriouslyC wrote:
| Creating a song about AI taking over, and backing it with the
| most derivative EDM hip pop, that's some brilliant irony.
| Spivak wrote:
| Artists: I can't make this it's too similar to my other work
| / other artists.
|
| Listeners: Oh yeah, that scratches the noggin, give me 10
| more just like that.
|
| The drive to have to have to create something genuinely novel
| is how neo-classical, art and fashion got to their current
| state which, while interesting, is completely divorced from
| the kind of clothes real people actually wear or art people
| hang on their walls. And when you need a fanbase you find a
| voice that resonates with people and riff off it.
|
| Hell, most people describe their taste in art in terms of
| genres and styles that have rules and formulas. The fact that
| I know how every alt-z song is going to be structured from
| the first 15 seconds somehow doesn't make it less enjoyable
| to listen to.
|
| I don't think AI is gonna take over or anything but I also
| think music is one of those areas where it can be more
| successful than average because people like formula in their
| music.
|
| The rule of "learn how to blend in, then stand out" / "learn
| how to follow the rules then break them on purpose" makes AI
| an interesting tool because having the ability to take a
| unique concept and then make the AI "fill in" the parts where
| you don't want to break the mould sounds super useful.
| discreteevent wrote:
| It's just doggerel.
| kmbfjr wrote:
| Oh my, it sounds like nearly every other pop artist complete
| with whisper mumbles, edgy manufactured vocal tics and devoid
| of melody.
|
| It nailed contemporary music.
| mikae1 wrote:
| Too bad isusmelj didn't prompt for that.
| yieldcrv wrote:
| it didn't listen to you at all though. it gave you the most
| feminine male voice possible
| inference-lord wrote:
| I think that's how most people who use generative AI use it.
|
| It's a novelty thing. They get something back and are happy.
| Move on...
| exogeny wrote:
| That's great except for the 90s, hip-hop, male, and deep
| prompts!
| corobo wrote:
| I dunno if I'm just being overly picky because I know it's AI
| generated but it feels like the timing is all off in this
| example (musicians please chime in!)
|
| Sort of like the musical equivalent to someone trying to do a
| comedy set off a teleprompter
| eman2d wrote:
| "OpenAI faces multiple lawsuits over ChatGPT's use of books, news
| articles, and other copyrighted material in its vast corpus of
| training data. Suno's founders decline to reveal details of just
| what data they're shoveling into their own model, other than the
| fact that its ability to generate convincing human vocals comes
| in part because it's learning from recordings of speech, in
| addition to music."
|
| Surely they own the audio they're using and haven't just dumped
| every song in existence
| dilap wrote:
| Specifics of the law aside, it seems quite unfair to not allow
| AI to learn from copyrighted examples. Imagine an aspiring
| human musician not being allowed to listen to copyrighted music
| for inspiration!
| basisword wrote:
| Humans and computers are different. It's perfectly reasonable
| to treat a human being listening to something and taking
| inspiration differently from a computer listening to
| everything ever recorded.
| emporas wrote:
| That happens with art in general.
|
| British museums are full of ancient Greek and Egyptian statues,
| even a New York museum will not return mammoth bones to it's
| Canadian owner and excavator, thousands of them.
|
| If you are not ok with everyone stealing art and ideas from
| everybody, everywhere all over the world, all the time, you
| will get used to it at some point.
| chpatrick wrote:
| I think a big issue currently is that the lyric generator often
| mixes in the description of the style.
| 4star3star wrote:
| Yeah, I asked for an instrumental with clarinets, piano,
| upright bass, and baritone saxophone, and it was a song with
| cheesy lyrics about these instruments. If it doesn't understand
| "instrumental", it just sucks.
| atentaten wrote:
| Can you have it make an instrumental without vocals.
| karaterobot wrote:
| > We're not trying to replace artists.
|
| They really messed up then, because that's literally all I can
| see using this tool for.
| amelius wrote:
| We're not trying to != we're trying not to
| Eager wrote:
| I have been playing with it for the last couple of weeks.
|
| I do a lot of traditional music production for fun and was
| wondering how I could use Suno together with Leonardo for video
| and then bring it all together in my existing tools.
|
| Here are some examples. I wrote the lyrics by hand and the music
| has been reinforced with my existing studio equipment.
|
| For me, that is where the gold is. Not replacing myself, but
| extending what I can do.
|
| https://youtu.be/Qip6eUbD8zs
|
| https://youtu.be/mfFV3Cm_Kow
|
| https://youtu.be/DZSpi6ySe-g
| mstipetic wrote:
| All the sounds always sound so blurred together, as if there's
| no space between the drum, bass, pad, melody, vocal etc layers
| Eager wrote:
| I agree in especially the first one. It was quite a challenge
| from the original content as the bitrate is quite low still,
| and in that particular case it was quite severely compressed.
| I had to dig quite deep to get the headroom back.
|
| The last one was my first attempt.
|
| I think the middle one is okay considering. By the time I got
| to that I had figured out how to get Suno to create multiple
| takes with much more open mixes, which left me a lot more
| latitude in the studio.
|
| I expect I will get better at it, and I don't doubt the
| compression artifacts and the rest will improve.
|
| To me at least, it is quite impressive where we are at. A
| ways to go, but very promising.
| onemoresoop wrote:
| I've been listening to some Frank Sinatra AI made songs,
| youtube for the song "Frank Sinatra - where is my mind". It's
| originally a Pixies song but as as recreation with Frank
| Sinatra's voice is surprisingly good. I wonder what took to
| produce that, it seems like there's a lot more artistry than
| just prompting make a song by artist X as a cover for song Y of
| artist Z.
| ppqqrr wrote:
| Next up: a machine that takes a shit for you, so you won't have
| to. That's how taking a shit works, right?
| l0c0b0x wrote:
| Well... It just took me about 7 minutes to write all parts of one
| song, and it actually sounds like something that could have
| played in the radio (popular). This was in a Latin rhythm too. I
| don't know what to think of this :\
| Pine_Mushroom wrote:
| As a musician and arranger this does not impress me much.
| Everything it spits out has a 'Top 40' kind of flavor.
|
| I would be interested in a tool that was trained exclusively on
| higher quality material, like a Richard Rodgers or Cole Porter
| AI...
| alanjay wrote:
| Does anyone know if Suno is responsible for the AI album
| https://nodemusic.bandcamp.com/album/co-written?
| chasing wrote:
| Being a musical artist isn't about knowing how to use tools to
| make a sound, it's about having the taste to know which sounds
| out of many are the right ones to express what you're trying to
| say. It's about having an idea you want to create to put out into
| the world.
|
| People without ideas and taste will play with this stuff for a
| while because it feels like it gives them a shortcut to talent,
| but after a while the novelty will wear off and they'll once
| again have to confront the fact that they have neither ideas,
| taste, nor talent.
|
| If you're just in need of lowest-common-denominator sound-alike
| shit, go nuts. If you're interested in music, I suggest also
| spending time learning to actually be a creative artist, using
| whatever tools you want.
| AirMax98 wrote:
| I remember working in a record store about a decade ago and
| coming to the conclusion that 99% of our (very large/broad)
| catalog was, to me, terrible music that I would prefer to have
| never, ever heard. Us warehouse guys would listen to all the new
| tracks as they came in during our receiving shifts, which sounds
| nice on paper, but really was much closer to 8 hours of
| punishment. Lots of really terrible execution of even worse ideas
| -- algorithmic renditions of real books, half-assed dub reggae
| covers of classic rock songs, note-for-note European remixes of
| zombified disco classics. We had a saying: "most music is bad".
|
| It's great hearing the dreadful output of this infernal
| contraption named "Suno" and being reminded specifically of this
| bittersweet time in my youth, but also broadly of how difficult
| it is to make memorable, sweet music, and how precious that can
| be.
| sys32768 wrote:
| Begone all you bitter luddites. I just generated the Taco Truck
| Shuffle about a taco truck's dancing monkey mascot, and the world
| is a happier place now.
|
| https://app.suno.ai/song/67dac18c-973c-44b1-be89-96260a0ada9...
| insin wrote:
| The AI hype articles and people subsequently hyping up how good
| ${thing} will eventually be are, themselves, starting to feel
| like a type of grey sludge, like a more potent form of semantic
| satiation which washes over the entire brain.
|
| I just can't get enough of that grey, training-data flavoured
| content. In years to come many of the top creators of this type
| of content will be creating content with this. This will
| democratise creation of this type of content for amateur content
| creators who will be creating wholly unique pieces of this
| content in seconds. How many years until we see a larger,
| personalised piece of this content created with this content
| generator in the place where people consume larger pieces of this
| content? Maybe this is actually how our brains work? But what
| _is_ intelligence? Made you think. Sure, it sucks now, but zero
| to one to infinity is how things work, it's going to be amazing.
| The letters are starting to blur together. Please invest.
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