[HN Gopher] Dell workers can stay remote - but they're not going...
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       Dell workers can stay remote - but they're not going to get
       promoted
        
       Author : rntn
       Score  : 12 points
       Date   : 2024-03-16 18:29 UTC (4 hours ago)
        
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       | brianjking wrote:
       | This is so absurd. If this is legal, it surely shouldn't be.
       | 
       | Remote work works.
        
         | dangus wrote:
         | I think the companies who do this think they're being clever by
         | soft-firing their less passionate employees and retaining their
         | most dedicated and/or most easily influenced employees.
         | 
         | In reality they're doing a layoff of their most competent
         | employees who are best able to find work elsewhere from
         | companies that respect their desire to work from home.
         | 
         | The idea that you can't change roles or be promoted by being
         | remote is particularly absurd.
        
           | BlackjackCF wrote:
           | How do management teams get to such a point where they're so
           | wildly out of touch like this?
           | 
           | I guess the only nice thing is that they're being upfront
           | about it so people know to bail/not join.
        
       | tarxvf wrote:
       | "...or be able to change roles."
        
       | MichaelMug wrote:
       | It's important to be aware that in some orgs, being fully remote
       | may potentially impact your promotion opportunities, even if not
       | explicitly stated in a policy.
       | 
       | In my personal experience, after going fully remote, my manager
       | implied that it could limit my ability to advance, and that ended
       | up being the case. At least in my company, face time with
       | leadership seems to carry weight when it comes to promotions. For
       | me, the benefits of remote work were worth the potential
       | tradeoffs in career advancement. Regardless of your stance on
       | remote work this is the reality.
       | 
       | I've also been on several teams post-COVID where the majority of
       | members were remote. In my experience, when issues arise on
       | remote teams, it's usually attributable to other underlying
       | problems, not the remote work itself.
        
         | realusername wrote:
         | Even when working remotely, the promotion system seems to work
         | at whoever sends the most slack shout-outs.
         | 
         | The more I work, the more I realize the management and the
         | execs never have any idea of what's happening in their company
         | and just rely on noise signals.
        
           | candiddevmike wrote:
           | That's how they got into those positions, so they select for
           | folks who do the same, either directly or indirectly.
        
             | ethanbond wrote:
             | That seems excessively cynical (and self-excusing). The
             | reality is it's incredibly hard to measure engineering work
             | even in the best case scenario, never mind something as
             | abstract as software and in as opaque an environment as a
             | modern remote/hybrid workplace.
             | 
             | Seems more likely they're relying on bad heuristics because
             | it's hard to do much else?
        
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