[HN Gopher] Marcel Grossmann and his contribution to the general...
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Marcel Grossmann and his contribution to the general theory of
relativity
Author : joebig
Score : 27 points
Date : 2024-03-13 16:05 UTC (6 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (ar5iv.labs.arxiv.org)
(TXT) w3m dump (ar5iv.labs.arxiv.org)
| joebig wrote:
| One of Grossman's bound, beautifully handwritten notes, many
| which were once used by Einstein to get through university exams:
| https://www.e-manuscripta.ch/zut/content/titleinfo/146744
| soperj wrote:
| I'm not sure how he writes pages and pages like that, without
| even crossing out a word because of a mistake? I feel like he
| must have re-written some of these notes afterwards, but even
| then, how do you never make a mistake?
| throwbadubadu wrote:
| My notes looked like crap almost always, but I knew some
| girls in university where notes looked good while writing and
| then exactly did this rewriting for perfectionism (and
| besides that, this written reiteration is likely quite good
| to ingrain it, like spaced learning).
| abdullahkhalids wrote:
| Any such notes are most likely rewritten form of rougher
| notes written elsewhere. Then again, it's not difficult to
| write without making a mistake.
|
| Think about musicians who improvise for quite a long time,
| playing hundreds of bars, while never playing a wrong note.
| markus_zhang wrote:
| I think most likely the notes were the result of re-
| processing information written down earlier -- if the
| original content was taken from a class. Nevertheless, that
| is very impressive -- almost a product of art. I wish I could
| get one copy.
| boringuser2 wrote:
| If you want to talk about contributions to the general theory of
| relativity, why not talk about the people that Einstein is
| alleged to have plagiarized, Henri Poincare, David Hilbert and
| Hendrik Antoon Lorentz?
| pvg wrote:
| Because the author wanted to talk about Grossman? It's odd to
| criticize a piece for covering its chosen topic.
| boringuser2 wrote:
| Right, it's not so much a critique of the author's work that
| I've presented as much as a meta-commentary on the article in
| the context that we're posting on a forum that aggregates
| content for public consumption.
|
| The author is fine, he can publish whatever he pleases. I
| can't stop him, as you've pointed out.
|
| From a meta-commentary perspective, it is actually quite
| interesting that Einstein's alleged plagiarism covers many
| diverse sources.
| ducttapecrown wrote:
| Thank you for the boring off-topic comments, boringuser2.
| Maybe boringuser1 was too interesting, so you were created.
| I promise to read the article if you do.
| codethief wrote:
| What exactly do you think Einstein plagiarized?
| boringuser2 wrote:
| I don't think anything, im referring to allegations.
| BenoitP wrote:
| Relativity was ripe for discovery. And a lot of other
| scientists came very close:
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativity_priority_dispute
|
| But that's just how science work, and no ill will would have
| been employed by any participant; just as their fanclub want
| to pit them against one another.
| rhdunn wrote:
| Just like how Leibniz and Newton independantly formulated
| calculus, building on the work of others.
| optimalsolver wrote:
| Relevant username.
| BenoitP wrote:
| Plagiarized is too strong of a word. Poincare too based his
| work on Lorentz's. And both with Einstein he sort of derived E
| = m c * 2, independently and earlier. But Einstein's
| publication was more complete.
|
| Science is not totally ordered, the same invention can occur at
| two different places from the same shoulders of the same giant.
| Science is just partially ordered.
| boringuser2 wrote:
| The problem is when the "ordering" of science is horizontal.
|
| I.e. Einstein reading their works and copying their
| conclusions.
|
| This is highly likely to have happened, regardless of the
| "completeness" of one work or another.
|
| The thing I like about this is that it levels celebrity
| (something man-made) with rationality.
|
| Why not reduce Einstein's celebrity? It reflects reality more
| accurately to do so.
| pnin wrote:
| Neither Poincare nor Lorentz are relevant to the genesis of
| General Relativity. The only relevant priority dispute is
| whether Einstein or Hilbert wrote down the correct field
| equations first. This was after a long correspondence between
| the two, in which Einstein explained his ideas -- there is no
| dispute that Einstein "invented" General Relativity. See
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_relativity_priority_di...
| fngjdflmdflg wrote:
| You are thinking of specific relativity. He didn't plagiarize
| the theory of specific relativity either because nobody had
| suggested it. Poincare's idea of relativity relied on the
| existence of a Luminiferous aether which was disproved in the
| early 20th century.
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