[HN Gopher] Show HN: Hacker News Outliers
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Show HN: Hacker News Outliers
I made a little website with a server that collects only HN
submissions with > 500 upvotes chronologically.
https://hn.moritz.pm/ It's quite simple because I wanted to learn
from the project. But I think it's useful, to get a summary of what
was important over the last days. The UI is almost identical to
the HN frontpage, you can click on the comments to view the thread
and on the username to see the profile. The rest of the cards takes
you to the submitted URL.
Author : 7moritz7
Score : 131 points
Date : 2024-02-18 13:59 UTC (9 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (hn.moritz.pm)
(TXT) w3m dump (hn.moritz.pm)
| Handprint4469 wrote:
| For those of us who prefer RSS feeds, you can get the exact same
| thing using this URL: https://hnrss.org/newest?points=500
|
| (thanks to the guys at https://hnrss.github.io/, who offer
| multiple customizable RSS feeds for HN)
| SushiHippie wrote:
| Can also be achieved using algolia, with the search
| "points>500" and then sorted by date, also available as a json
| API. (that's what hnrss uses)
|
| https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
| airstrike wrote:
| Congrats on building it and putting it out there, it looks really
| slick
|
| I do have to say I think you'll miss out on a lot of what makes
| HN great if you only read those "main" articles
| mcslambley wrote:
| Browsing on mobile, I think it would provide a better user
| experience to open links in the same tab.
| spacecadet wrote:
| Submission embeddings?
| uKVZe85V wrote:
| > The UI is almost identical to the HN frontpage
|
| Well, for one HN works without Javascript, while that URL yields
| just a blank page.
| 7moritz7 wrote:
| Whole different story but do we really have to insist on not
| delivering any first party frontend logic in 2024? It's minimal
| and most code is on the server. Also it's a small footprint and
| proven to be fast (Preact). This site has a 100 performance
| score on Google Pagespeed, JS doesn't mean bad UX.
|
| Blocking third party scripts and cookies is one thing, but not
| wanting first party script just forces the developer to use
| server-side templating for their static content which means you
| either deliver everything from the same origin (bad for
| latency) or chain a CDN in front that picks out static content
| to cache (I don't think that's compatible with the web 2.0
| ideology). So it's not ideal too
| david_draco wrote:
| > Whole different story but do we really have to insist on
| not delivering any first party frontend logic in 2024?
|
| Yes. Not all users may be able-bodied, or humans.
| joshmanders wrote:
| Crazy you think that robots and screen assistant tools
| can't execute JavaScript.
|
| Googlebot has been able to do this for well over a decade.
| Time to get out of 2001 era thinking.
| MatthiasPortzel wrote:
| It's a super weird phenomenon. These people (who are mostly
| not web developers) have enough of a technical understanding
| of how websites work to disable a huge part of the browser,
| that they think shouldn't be needed, and then complain about
| websites not working.
|
| From a web developer's perspective, it doesn't make any sense
| to me because JS is just one part of the web standard. If
| you're not going to support it, then why do you expect any
| websites to work?
|
| It's like if I deleted gcc from a linux machine and then
| tried to build a package, and then complained that it wasn't
| building, because "it shouldn't use C." Well, C is an
| expected part of the operating system and so the package
| author has decided to use it. You've broken your system.
| layer8 wrote:
| There is no good reason that this kind of content would need
| any client-side logic. Not being able to view it with tools
| like w3m is an unnecessary limitation.
|
| It's also ironic that the one thing HTML was designed for,
| namely presenting static content, is now deemed unworkable
| without having to run custom client-side code.
| MatthiasPortzel wrote:
| If the commenter had said, "I can't view this with w3m,"
| I'd understand that more. What's frustrating is that most
| of these comments are from people using an extension like
| NoScript or who have disabled JavaScript in their browser
| settings, based on (misguided IMO) privacy or security
| fears.
|
| There's nothing wrong with tampering with your browser by
| disabling JavaScript, but you have to understand that what
| you're doing is unsupported by websites. It's unreasonable
| to complain that the website is broken when you disabled
| the technologies that the web developer chose to use.
| jotaen wrote:
| > _There is no good reason that this kind of content would
| need any client-side logic._
|
| One such reason might be that it allows the developer to
| host their frontend statically, which usually is much
| simpler to set up and operate.
|
| I would find it fair to appreciate that the author provides
| their service for free to the world. So while it might be
| true that their website isn't fully compatible with certain
| client-side tools, that kind of support doesn't come for
| free, and it also may not align with the goals of the
| author. (Which in this case apparently are educational
| ones, and not to maximise accessibility for a broadest-
| possible audience.)
| 7moritz7 wrote:
| > It's also ironic that the one thing HTML was designed
| for, namely presenting static content, is now deemed
| unworkable without having to run custom client-side code.
|
| Because the content here is dynamic. It changes every 30
| minutes, even if it's just the scores. HTML was not
| designed to serve dynamic content.
| layer8 wrote:
| That's not dynamic content. It's okay to have some
| _optional_ JavaScript to dynamically update the scores or
| whatever. But that's no reason not to show the main
| /initial content without JavaScript. As a user I
| certainly prefer regular content to not update by itself,
| though.
| SuperHeavy256 wrote:
| How is this "outliers"? These are just the submissions that are
| really popular
| mgfist wrote:
| Posts with more than 500 upvotes are rare, therefore making
| them outliers.
| sodapopcan wrote:
| While technically correct, is this really how "outliers" is
| generally used? I tend to think of it as "the forgotten few,"
| not "the select few."
| 7moritz7 wrote:
| Yes, in statistics when something is noticeably detached
| from most that's an outlier
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlier
| sodapopcan wrote:
| Ah ya, of course, which of course is appropriate here. I
| was thinking of it in a social context... which is
| actually also somewhat appropriate here, but likely less
| so.
| blopp99 wrote:
| If this post reaches the list would be a cool inception.
| Brajeshwar wrote:
| From my experience and seeing the patterns on Hacker News, this
| won't. The comment sentiments are a mix already with negativity
| already going south pretty fast. I feel like this might fall
| off before hitting 100.
|
| Edit/Update: My bad. 100, it is. :-)
| ayewo wrote:
| I came back to check on your prediction and it turns out you
| were wrong :)
|
| Currently at 107 points and of course still on the front page
| (at #24).
| Jun8 wrote:
| When I scan for outlier submissions on the front page I look for:
|
| * Submissions for high comment number to vote ratio. This
| sometimes means it's a submission with a political bent, leading
| to flame wars; you can easily tell this by the title. However,
| sometimes this ratio is high for unexpected submissions, I check
| these to see what the discussion is about.
|
| * Submissions that are voted to first page with, say, >20 votes,
| but have either no comments or a single comment. These are
| usually are topics that people unanimously agree with nothing
| much to say. These are relatively rare, I'd say maybe once or
| twice a month but are interesting.
| tentacleuno wrote:
| > Submissions that are voted to first page with, say, >20
| votes, but have either no comments or a single comment. [...]
| These are relatively rare [...]
|
| Curiously enough, there's one just like that on the frontpage
| now.
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39419195
| giancarlostoro wrote:
| Some of us upvote to read later and I think if the title's
| interesting enough, you'll get those upvotes.
| diggan wrote:
| Seems to be working more or less like
| https://news.ycombinator.com/best except in different order +
| different UI
| austin-cheney wrote:
| I often find the comments more interesting than many of the
| linked submissions. It would be nice if there were an outliers
| list of comments showing comments upvoted more than 25 and more
| than 50% of the linked submission's up votes.
| lukan wrote:
| That is sadly not possible, as the API (intentionally) does not
| give you the number of upvotes for a comment. Only for the
| whole article.
| hubraumhugo wrote:
| Lots of cool stuff to do with HN data! I'm just finishing a blog
| post about the most discussed topics on Hacker News after
| analyzing and categorizing all front-page posts:
| https://www.kadoa.com/blog/top-trends-on-hacker-news
| tiffanyh wrote:
| HN Best?
|
| How is this meaningful different than /best
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/best
| 7moritz7 wrote:
| It doesn't use a ranking algorithm and just gives you anything
| over the threshhold in the chronological order. Best is similar
| but to catch up quickly I find this basic implementation more
| approachable
| wslh wrote:
| I don't know if I will, formally, title this as HN Outliers. It
| is more like a ranking. Using the outliers word alone has many
| different meanings.
| dsizzle wrote:
| Not really a ranking either (it's ordered chronologically
| e.g.), but true it is a very specific form of outlier, and not
| what I expected based on the name.
| giancarlostoro wrote:
| I was expecting some clever way to find those stories worth
| reading but that did not make the cut somehow.
| PsylentKnight wrote:
| I suspect OP was going for something along the lines of Malcolm
| Gladwell's usage of "outliers" (unusually successful people)
| HackerHG wrote:
| As an aside, the UI looks really clean and easier on eyes
| (default dark theme + I find the usual dark themes tend to have
| bad contrast choices). I wonder if something similar is available
| to browse hacker news in general.
| geor9e wrote:
| RSS readers have dark mode. I use Feedbro personally.
| JustinGoldberg9 wrote:
| bitcoin
| divbzero wrote:
| Two related, though not quite identical, lists provided by HN
| are:
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/best
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/over?points=500
| andrewfromx wrote:
| if you like this you gotta try
| https://news.ycombinator.com/newest
|
| They are amazing. A collection of single vote items. Future 500+
| ones yet to be found.
| pmontra wrote:
| Maybe dates in yyyy-mm-dd so non US users won't be tricked by
| 03/01/2024? Or this could be one of those rare places where
| today, yesterday and 2 days ago would be appropriate. But then,
| when does today starts? HN time zone (Pacific time?)
| WXLCKNO wrote:
| I was building something like this for personal use but for
| Reddit to beat my reddit addiction (before they fucked up their
| API).
|
| I called it Detox for Reddit and you could connect your reddit
| account to get your subreddits and then it would check
| distribution of scores for that subreddit and only send you the
| really good stuff in a daily digest e-mail.
|
| The idea was that it would prevent the FOMO that made me check
| Reddit more often to avoid missing the good stuff among the
| sludge.
|
| I wasn't planning on monetizing but monetization strategy would
| have been a limited number of subreddits (3-5) in a free version,
| all your subreddits in a small monthly subscription (like 1-2$)
| and then a larger fee to enable NSFW subreddits.
|
| If reddit allowed them, I would have advertised directly on
| reddit in ADHD and other relevant subreddits like Productivity
| etc.
|
| So I like your idea, I think it works as is but would be enhanced
| by having customizable thresholds or actual calculation of
| outliers so you can say give me the top 5% or 1% of posts.
| vermarish wrote:
| I mean, instead of using a fixed threshold at 500, if you use a
| live threshold determined by the recent average upvotes, then
| yeah I'd have no qualms with calling them outliers.
|
| It's just that this method is susceptible to votecount inflation,
| a la Reddit from 2014 to 2024.
| spiralganglion wrote:
| My preferred alt frontend for HN is https://hckrnews.com
|
| I use it in "Top 20" mode. It helps me keep up with the bigger
| stories just by checking in once a day. Loads super fast, has
| worked great for many years now.
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