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Cosmic Desktop Is Slated to Debut with Pop _OS 24.04 LTS
Author : tuananh
Score : 60 points
Date : 2024-02-18 13:23 UTC (9 hours ago)
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| tuananh wrote:
| this is their own DE written in Rust.
| deaddodo wrote:
| Honestly, I just wish COSMIC was less ugly.
|
| But that's just a personal preference thing. If it helps
| productivity and shaking up the Linux environment, that's
| always a plus.
| fbdab103 wrote:
| I don't know about ugly, but the padding in those screenshots
| is insanely large. Hopefully that is customizable.
| ahmedfromtunis wrote:
| I was thinking the same thing!
|
| The huge padding is the thing I hate the most about Gnome,
| and if Cosmic will have the same issue, well, then that's a
| bammer.
|
| With Gnome, however, there are extensions and themes that
| allow to alleviate the problem, even if partially. And I
| don't think Cosmic will have any of those on day one (if
| they there's no customization built-in, that is).
| panick21_ wrote:
| With Cosmic they very much want customization. That was
| one of their primary goals. The very reason they build
| Cosmic in the first place was because Gnome made it much
| harder to costumize and broke all their existing plugins.
| They are talking about Cosmic being able to serve as a
| great base for costume experiences.
|
| I am not sure if they have reach that goal, but that is
| their goal.
|
| With Gnome, they are very willing to break all plugins at
| all times. They simply do not care for stability of
| plugins, its a nonissue for them.
|
| In Gnome plugins are JS application all running in the
| same namespace, a single crash of those can take down
| everything. In Cosmic these are Rust application running
| in different namespaces.
| aNoob7000 wrote:
| Honest question - What does Cosmic have over Gnome desktop? I'm
| relatively new to Linux.
|
| I'm running Ubuntu 22.04 and find it meets my computing needs.
| Inityx wrote:
| Paragraph 2 of the article describes why.
|
| Supplemental reading: https://medium.com/@fulalas/gnome-mess-
| is-not-an-accident-4e...
| aNoob7000 wrote:
| I agree with some of the performance issues mentioned by the
| writer, but nothing mentioned stops me from doing my work.
|
| I hope Cosmic helps improve the Linux desktop ecosystem.
| BadHumans wrote:
| If Cosmic creates a more cohesive Linux experience with
| fewer bugs then I'm glad they are doing it. Nothing stops
| me from doing my work but many bugs slow me down and
| otherwise ruin my experience.
| petepete wrote:
| It's worth mentioning that GNOME receives an enormous
| amount of hate but it's still the most widely used DE on
| Linux by a mile and the vast, vast, vast majority of people
| get along just fine.
| yjftsjthsd-h wrote:
| > it's still the most widely used DE on Linux by a mile
|
| How would we be able to tell that?
| a_vanderbilt wrote:
| It's the default on Ubuntu and RHEL, which are the two
| most popular enterprise distros. Ubuntu is also the most
| popular consumer Linux distro.
| yjftsjthsd-h wrote:
| > It's the default on Ubuntu and RHEL, which are the two
| most popular enterprise distros.
|
| For servers; that's not super compelling.
|
| > Ubuntu is also the most popular consumer Linux distro.
|
| That's a much stronger argument, though I'd point out
| that Linux distros are disproportionally used by people
| given to customization, so the default may not be _as_
| important.
| a_vanderbilt wrote:
| GNOME is very opinionated in its design, it's bound to
| draw ire. It's the more stable DE out of it and KDE, and
| the way they handle releases is more friendly to the
| enterprisey types.
| zdragnar wrote:
| Say what? Half the reason cosmic even became a project at
| all was the gnome releases constantly breaking plugins
| and extensions.
|
| It seems reasonably stable and usually just works (except
| the files app), but only if you do absolutely nothing to
| it. Try to change anything and it becomes nightmarish.
| pjmlp wrote:
| Defaults have a great power, and Red-Hat sponsoring most
| of its development as well.
| DwnVoteHoneyPot wrote:
| Wow, the first 3 sentences are scathing lol (in the
| supplemental reading)
| MattPalmer1086 wrote:
| Maybe I'm not a demanding user, but I have no major issues
| with Gnome. I also liked Unity. Willing to give Cosmic a try,
| as I use PopOS and like their approach.
|
| Mostly I just want a desktop environment to find and launch
| apps, do some basic window management, and get out of the
| way. I got more important things to do than worry about
| tweaking things endlessly...
| netule wrote:
| I upgraded to Ubuntu 23 a few weeks ago, in which GNOME
| decided to remove app menus requiring me to install a wonky
| extension to reclaim functionality. The top horizontal menu
| is still there taking up screen real estate, mind you, it's
| just less useful.
|
| These changes are annoying enough with each upgrade to make
| me consider switching DEs.
| MattPalmer1086 wrote:
| I tend to stick to LTS releases, but that certainly
| doesn't stop gnome's endless quest to remove everything!
| graemep wrote:
| Fine, if its suits you. Then again, if that is all you do,
| why use Gnome: XFCE or even LXDE will do all that fine and
| they are lighter than Gnome and change less.
|
| I quite like XFCE, but I use KDE for a few reasons. It has
| tiling extensions and with a large monitor tiling works
| better for me.I like a lot of KDE applications (Dolphin and
| Kate in particular) and they integrate a bit better with
| KDE (widgets in panels, KRunner).
|
| YMMV.
| dansalvato wrote:
| That post you linked was a crazy read, it just kept going and
| going. I've never really had issues with GNOME, but knowing
| so many users share the sentiment of it being a hostile
| developer environment makes me want to check out other
| options next time I install a Linux distro.
| PufPufPuf wrote:
| I am completely happy with GNOME. Sure, it needs a few add-
| ons to improve the UX around the dock and workspaces (most of
| which are pre-installed in PopOS), but I believe that
| customizability is a good thing. I'll most likely miss quite
| a few GNOME add-ons on COSMIC.
| kylecazar wrote:
| The official release with 24.04 is what they are considering an
| alpha, I believe.
|
| It'll be quite some time before it's "stable".
| Vinnl wrote:
| Huh, I'd swear I'd seen that too, but looking at the alpha blog
| post [1], they do indeed say:
|
| > The official release of COSMIC DE will debut on Pop!_OS 24.04
| LTS, which will be based on Ubuntu 24.04 LTS. Running and
| testing on 24.04 gets us closer to a final, polished release.
|
| I'm assuming, but not sure, that 24.04 will be released in
| April, 24, though its version might just be a reference to the
| Ubuntu version it's based on - it would be pretty quickly after
| the Ubuntu release.
|
| Although the distinction between "official release" and "final,
| polished release" might indeed mean that the 24.04 release
| would still be alpha?
|
| [1] https://blog.system76.com/post/closing-in-on-a-cosmic-alpha
| e12e wrote:
| https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/noble
| indigodaddy wrote:
| Geezus H the ads on that site
| dartharva wrote:
| Geo-blocked for India.
|
| Blanket-banning an entire country's IP ranges is such a lazy and
| obnoxious practice, the webmasters should be ashamed of this.
| gkbrk wrote:
| If the ISPs do their job and handle abuse emails, less people
| would be blocking IP ranges like this.
|
| There's a reason in IP abuse or spam databases, certain
| countries light up like a christmas tree and others are not
| used for these purposes. If you do nothing to be a good citizen
| of the Internet, all the bad citizens are attracted to you as
| an ISP.
|
| You shouldn't even need to email the ISP for abuse, they should
| just detect it themselves. But even taking actions on the
| emails seems too difficult for them, so I doubt we'll see
| anything pro-active.
| moonscape68 wrote:
| My guess is that India has been blocked so that the website
| owner is able to join a particular ad network (in this case
| Mediavine) which pays well but requires primarily US traffic.
| So it's easier to just block the visitors that are preventing
| you from joining. Ruthless but commercial decision.
| betaby wrote:
| ... and yet most of the spam is originated from US IP
| addresses.
| gkbrk wrote:
| Checking the revenue analytics for my blog.
|
| US visitors made up 66.13% of my revenue, with 14% of spam
| coming from US IPs.
|
| India made up 0.14% of my revenue, with 5% of spam coming
| from Indian IPs.
|
| Russia made up 0% of my revenue, with 21% of spam coming
| from Russian IPs.
|
| I don't do geo-blocking on my website since my spam filter
| catches pretty much everything these bots are spewing out,
| but I can certainly see why someone might want to do it.
| Especially if they're wasting time/money dealing with spam
| or automated attacks.
| graemep wrote:
| How does geoblocking a website help with spam email?
| dartharva wrote:
| Better source: https://blog.system76.com/post/closing-in-on-a-
| cosmic-alpha
| vlod wrote:
| I'm hopeful that everyone here that loves rust will have an
| outlet to start creating GUI apps for linux (that isn't gnome).
| cocoa19 wrote:
| Make them with what GUI library?
|
| GPUI is not mature yet, so I wouldn't use it for anything
| serious, and Qt bindings support is not great.
| karthikiyengar wrote:
| https://iced.rs/
|
| This is what Cosmic is written in.
| cocoa19 wrote:
| Wow. Iced is also not mature, but being backed by an
| important project such as Pop OS gives me hope it will
| stick around.
|
| Maybe it's time to dive into Rust with Iced, and port over
| a Qt project I've been working on.
| vlod wrote:
| One of the things I find interesting is that it won't
| necessarily be tied just to popos. I believe other distros
| are looking into it. (Can't find references now)
|
| If anyone is interested in the 'why', here's an old (1 year
| ago) thread [0] explaining why they are moving away from
| GTK.
|
| [0]: https://www.reddit.com/r/pop_os/comments/xs87ed/is_ice
| d_repl...
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