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Orgzly Revived: a community-maintained version of Orgzly
Author : vpt
Score : 124 points
Date : 2024-02-16 04:06 UTC (18 hours ago)
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| yogorenapan wrote:
| > The rebranding is due to the disappearance of the Orgzly author
|
| Internet disappearances have become more and more common since
| COVID times. Honestly scares me
| tetris11 wrote:
| Same thing happened for the Emacs EXWM author Chris Feng:
|
| https://github.com/ch11ng/exwm
| szundi wrote:
| Or since the Ukraine War
| walteweiss wrote:
| The Russian war on Ukraine is the term you were looking for.
| eliotte wrote:
| Better, the proxy war that is actually between USA-Russia.
| stormking wrote:
| Bullshit.
| kkzz99 wrote:
| American weapons, American ISR, American planning,
| American funding... US politicians talk about a "good
| investment" and "to the last Ukrainian". I don't
| understand how you could NOT call it a US-proxy war.
| brunoqc wrote:
| Yeah. A proxy war doesn't mean that Ukraine doesn't
| deserve to be free.
|
| We care about Ukraine and its people, the US care about
| money and power.
| grotorea wrote:
| We don't call the Korean war the China and USSR-USA war
| either.
| kkzz99 wrote:
| I don't think this is the argument you think it is...
| Fice wrote:
| As a Russian I'd rather call it the Putin's war.
| grotorea wrote:
| I do wonder if this is the name that history will stick
| with. Ukrainian War or even Russo-Ukrainian War (the name
| for the broader conflict starting in 2014) is shorter.
| seanw444 wrote:
| Russo-Ukrainian war jives better with other historical
| conflicts.
| firewolf34 wrote:
| Wow, I live out of Orgzly every day and had no idea this was a
| thing I needed - every day I am so happy I sub to this site.
| Thank you for posting!
| radarsat1 wrote:
| Same here, I use it for todo lists on my phone and didn't know
| it wasn't being maintained. Although, maybe that's because i
| haven't encountered any issues. But my use of it is really
| minimal, as I prefer typing on a keyboard.
| kqr wrote:
| Looking back, a few years ago I used to get Orgzly updates
| fairly regularly and I remember thinking, "Wow, it's nice to
| use actively developed software and get all these features I
| never expected but which are convenient." That hasn't
| happened in a while, but I also didn't realise it hadn't.
| account-5 wrote:
| I tried using this for a couple of months a while back. I could
| never get into it, but I wish it all the best.
| ParetoOptimal wrote:
| I understand what you mean even though I use orgzly daily.
| account-5 wrote:
| I really like the idea but there were a couple of things that
| made it not work for me. I've now just reverted to iCal for
| scheduling and tasks.
| colordrops wrote:
| I used orgzly+syncthing for a while but the overhead of manually
| resolving conflicts between my laptop and phone were not worth it
| in the end. I'd consider using it again if a sync protocol or
| some other mechanism of merging changes across multiple computers
| is added.
| pinsl wrote:
| I used the same setup and was also frustrated. I replaced
| Orgzly with Orgro [0] which can only view files but works much
| better for my purposes.
|
| [0] https://github.com/amake/orgro/
| wadim wrote:
| It helps a lot if you have a third machine, which runs 24/7.
| Haven't had any sync conflicts in ages.
| dietr1ch wrote:
| Same, added an always-on Raspberry pi + zerotier to the mix
| and got rid of the sync issues between my phone, laptop and
| workstation all at once.
|
| I wish there was something to make some sort of CRDT for
| modeling org though. I feel that the operation that ended up
| causing text conflicts in the past had obvious resolutions
| with the right structure and Metadata, but yeah, resorting to
| having a peer always on gets around it more easily that
| writing my own thing and deviating from emacs and orgzly
| regularfry wrote:
| Funnily enough, crdt.el exists. I've tried it for org-mode
| syncing and the only thing that broke it was having a
| Windows Emacs connected to the session. It felt like line
| endings weren't getting handled properly, but I got
| frustrated with it and gave up in favour of Emacs in a tmux
| window on a raspberry pi behind my monitor.
| asymmetric wrote:
| What does the third machine do?
| Kototama wrote:
| It would minimize the synchronisation lag between the other
| machines, being more often started.
| wadim wrote:
| It's a read-only peer with a huge disk which is always on
| and syncs changes across all devices continuesly. This way
| you can safely change the same file across all devices,
| without them having to be online simultaneously.
| accoil wrote:
| The approach I use is to have a single incoming notes file for
| my phone. I then refile those notes into the correct location
| on my laptop later. It works for me because I realised that
| when I want to take a note on my phone I usually don't have
| time for a complete note, so the extra refile step gives me the
| opportunity to fill it out more at my leisure on my laptop. As
| an extra benefit though, it means that I only have one file
| that can conflict, and I can just bias resolution towards the
| phone's version.
| kqr wrote:
| This is how I also do it, and with ediff-files it is fairly
| quick to resolve whatever conflicts inevitably come up
| anyway.
| pachico wrote:
| Honest question, how does this compare to Google Keep?
| globular-toast wrote:
| Doesn't share your notes with Google for one. Uses a plain text
| file to store your notes. Org-mode itself is in a different
| league when it comes to note taking and organisation.
| PurpleRamen wrote:
| Google Keep is a poor note manager, but a great app for
| content-capturing (text, audio, picture, drawing,..). Orgzly is
| basically the opposite, it's only text and great (for mobile
| devices) at handling this, but anything else is missing.
|
| And Keep has a nearly perfect sync, but it's on Google for
| this. While with orgzly you are on your own, which can be
| annoying depending on how you sync.
| Forge36 wrote:
| I find the ability work on emacs superior enough I'm moving my
| notes. Reorganizing is possible with orgzly. I don't use images
| anymore.
| raffraffraff wrote:
| How does it compare to other note taking apps like Obsidian,
| Notion, Joplin etc?
|
| I used Joplin for about a year and ended up taking a lot of
| notes. But after a year it was so full of garbage that I found it
| increasingly difficult to keep things tagged, clearing my "inbox"
| of quickly taken notes. And it ended up looking like my work
| email inbox.
|
| The catalyst for giving it up was a subtle policy change at work
| that made me worry about using a personal note taking app with
| sync to my personal cloud service. I decided to fork my notes
| into work and personal. Midway through, I just stopped taking
| long lived notes entirely. I now have one less chore to do.
|
| The same thing happened with my RemMarkable 2. in fact I tired of
| the RM2 in a much shorter time because it was such a nightmare to
| sync, search handwritten text etc etc. Pity, because regular note
| taking apps suck at drawing and diagramming.
|
| Sure, I will forget stuff, but whatever. Most people forget
| stuff.
|
| Perhaps it's time to revive Joplin and use that Zen-thingemy that
| was on HN today, the AI tool that gulps your notes and browser
| history and provides a summariser / searcher? Perhaps that's the
| only way to take the pain out of note taking apps?
| kkfx wrote:
| It's an org-mode limited editor, to have org-mode outside
| Emacs. Compared to MarkDown and "modern note apps" using it
| it's like a starship (org-mode) against a bike (MD and modern
| apps), but Orgzly is limited by the OS/input mode of so it's
| barely usable.
|
| If you want to take notes seriously you need a desktop.
| ParetoOptimal wrote:
| > If you want to take notes seriously you need a desktop.
|
| Emacs on android and a keyboard also lets you take notes
| seriously.
| kkfx wrote:
| With a significant dose of masochism only... At least,
| IMVHO...
| medstrom wrote:
| Because of the small screen?
|
| You could use big text, so you can't see that much text
| onscreen, but it could ironically make it easier to write
| productively.
| crossroadsguy wrote:
| After trying so many kinds of note taking apps. I finally keep
| coming back one that at max supports Markdown (actually I don't
| need it, but I can tolerate it) and handles plain text files
| and give me direct access to those plain text files.
|
| > clearing my "inbox" of quickly taken notes
|
| I always have a note pinned on top called "Clipboard".
| Sometimes I name it "Snippets". Earlier I used to call it
| "Jottings".
| lukewiwa wrote:
| After trying all the digital options I'm on to a pocket
| notebook. I carry it instead of a wallet. Great for jotting
| down that half thought or random todo.
|
| Long running tasks that get rewritten enough times get put in
| the calendar or a reminder. Anything else that seems important
| goes in the personal wiki of choice but honestly a lot of the
| notes are just ephemeral and don't survive when I switch to a
| new notebook. And that's perfectly fine!
| raffraffraff wrote:
| I tried that too, but the RM2 was just a larger, more
| expensive version of that. The problem is that you can't
| index, search, share, back up etc. I have up after about 10
| pages.
|
| That said, my wife bought a hardback diary/planner that has a
| really nice layout for days/weeks and she uses it every
| evening.
| yewenjie wrote:
| I really really need a mobile app for org-mode that syncs without
| pain (yes, I am aware of Orgzly + Syncthing, I am using it, but
| it still is not as smooth as I want it to be, and has too many
| annoyances).
|
| I simply cannot imagine leaving the comfort of org-mode for
| something inferior like markdown, even though there are cool
| plugins in the Obsidian ecosystem.
|
| Question if you are an Obsidian user - what are your most
| important plugins?
| pinsl wrote:
| Orgro [0] is very nice but currently mostly read only [1]
|
| [0] https://github.com/amake/orgro/
|
| [1] https://orgro.org/faq/
| alwayslikethis wrote:
| Logseq supports org files. Though it does have a pretty
| different default workflow, which is heavy on backlinks and
| tags.
| Barrin92 wrote:
| is the performance still abysmal? The last time I tried it, a
| few months ago, you couldn't edit a full page of text without
| logseq telling you that editing and indexing was disabled for
| performance reasons. Which is truly bizarre. Sadly didn't
| work as a replacement for me for that reason.
| raybb wrote:
| What issues are you having with syncthing?
|
| I use it for obsidian and I had quite a bit of annoyances with
| it until I started having a node running on a VPS that was
| always on and set the IP address /domain in the mobile
| application so that it connects almost instantly. Then it
| didn't matter what my phone and laptop were doing because they
| could both always connect to the VPS and syncing happened
| within a second or so.
| Forge36 wrote:
| What do you need syncing for? In my case I sync over WebDAV and
| the remote is backed by a git client. This lets me sync with
| emacs
| ParetoOptimal wrote:
| You need to:
|
| - enable save/sync on resume orgzly
|
| - ensure inotify based sync enabled on orgzly folder
|
| - enable polling every minute on syncthing folder
|
| - sync files by most recently modified
| rednerrus wrote:
| workflowy is the best thing I've used to replace org-mode on my
| phone.
| dig1 wrote:
| Great app, and I'm happy someone picked it up. I have been using
| it for a few years after I switched from MobileOrg [1]. Regarding
| sync and conflict handling, I find using it with git a much
| better experience, assuming the git client is installed on the
| phone.
|
| These days, I prefer (fountain) pen and paper, but I still like
| to throw org-mode syntax across notebooks - it is a no-brainer to
| retype it or try with some OCR in the future.
|
| [1] https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.matburt.mobileorg/
| deepnet wrote:
| Orgzly means my Org agenda can give me phone notifications, which
| means one more thing automated and so one less thing I have to
| pay attention to
| linmob wrote:
| My solve for this is proper Emacs on a mobile monstrosity (a
| PinePhone Pro with the keyboard accessory). See [0] for more on
| that.
|
| [0]: https://linmob.net/using-the-pinephone-pro-daily-despite-
| hav...
| Forge36 wrote:
| I use both. Normal Android phone with a 60% keyboard.
| exe34 wrote:
| Does it have an option to open a file in place in my shared data
| directory? I don't need to "import" a file into its app data
| space, and I want to keep using mgit/syncthing to sync across
| devices.
|
| At the moment I have a script that calls org-html-export-to-html
| which I sync to view, but obviously can't update on the device
| (without setting up emacs).
| jlokier wrote:
| I'm using Orgzly on my phone now to take notes. I also have Emacs
| on my various computers, always open on at least one, though I
| never got into Org-mode much. Now, I'd like to try having the
| same notes on all devices.
|
| Synchthing is mentioned often with Orgzly, so I looked into
| Syncthing. I've been disappointed to find Syncthing drains the
| phone battery excessively if you enable continuous (event-driven)
| two-way sync between phone and server.
|
| The problem is Syncthing doesn't hook into the phone's
| notification delivery service, so it can only pick up changes by
| keeping a socket open to the server and sending packets often,
| throughout the day, to keep the socket alive. Even if there are
| no file changes to report. That drains the battery much faster
| than, say, a chat app that uses the notification service to send
| triggers from the server to the phone when there's a new message.
| (I wrote about technical reasons why that's more battery-
| efficient here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38661294).
|
| Does anyone have a recommendation that will keep notes in Orgzly
| two-way synchronised with Org files on my server, reliably,
| without draining the phone battery excessively, and without a
| long delay for changes on the server to propagate to the phone?
| bloopernova wrote:
| I'm using my fastmail webdav storage. It's accessible from my
| phone for orgzly, and desktop for Emacs.
|
| Edited to add: In Orgzly Revived go to Settings -> Sync ->
| Repositories and add
| https://myfiles.fastmail.com/subfoldername/ (I use "Org")
| V1ndaar wrote:
| Thanks your your input. You made me realize I can use my
| Hetzner storage box for precisely the same. Neat!
| rrix2 wrote:
| I use https://github.com/Catfriend1/syncthing-android which has
| an option to run only every X minutes of each hour, as a decent
| tradeoff.
|
| This version also ships and Android Quick Settings tile that
| will start Syncthing for those X minutes and stop it outside of
| that schedule, so I'll hit the button as I'm putting on shoes
| to go out after making a shopping list on my phone or what have
| you
| axpy906 wrote:
| I read that name wrong. Time to get more coffee
| xenodium wrote:
| If you're looking for an iOS counterpart, I built
| https://plainorg.com
| sudhirkhanger wrote:
| I am still using Orgzly because it supports Dropbox.
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