[HN Gopher] First Arrests Under Florida's New DNA Law, Pennsylva...
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       First Arrests Under Florida's New DNA Law, Pennsylvania Also
       Considers Testing
        
       Author : WaitWaitWha
       Score  : 22 points
       Date   : 2024-02-12 21:30 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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       | ericmcer wrote:
       | If only there was a way to do this without compromising privacy.
       | Sexual assault would become a guaranteed prison sentence if a DNA
       | db existed.
        
         | Mountain_Skies wrote:
         | Also could put an end to false paternity. Obviously some people
         | would be very much against it for that reason.
        
           | wonderwonder wrote:
           | honestly they should just implement an automatic paternity
           | test law. If the father finds out its not his, he should be
           | able to walk away, and be granted an instant divorce. No
           | child support, no alimony. Fair division of marital assets.
        
           | buran77 wrote:
           | You can do that very easily right now without the need to
           | _store_ the DNA. So it seems like the least consequential
           | thing you could  "win" from a system that stores DNA data
           | from every single citizen.
           | 
           | If we're to dig to find some upsides, you could at least come
           | up with something like "we'd know if someone has a major
           | genetic disorder".
        
             | nipponese wrote:
             | Right, why couldn't everything just be associated with an
             | anonymous hash? Is that how 's CSAM matching tech works?
        
           | MilStdJunkie wrote:
           | It just takes a little bit of subterfuge/social engineering
           | to get that now, but yeah, it'd be better for the collection
           | to be above board. Genetic test should obviously be a first
           | step for paternity liability. I've got loads of mega-hyper-
           | liberal dude/lady/inbetween friends, and I can't think of a
           | single person who would argue against that.
        
         | buran77 wrote:
         | Intrinsically any system that keeps tabs on whole populations
         | and allows you to identify a bad person will allow you to
         | identify any person. I'll go out on a limb and say that in the
         | history of humanity not a single system that was used to keep
         | tabs on a good chunk of populations did so without extensive
         | abuse.
         | 
         | If we had a system to read all your messages, see all your
         | pictures, listen to all your conversations, and check all your
         | locations it would only be used to stop terrorists and
         | pedophiles.
        
           | justinclift wrote:
           | > it would only be used to stop
           | 
           | Are you missing a "not" in there?
        
             | eecc wrote:
             | More likely an /s
        
         | nwiswell wrote:
         | > Sexual assault would become a guaranteed prison sentence if a
         | DNA db existed.
         | 
         | It would be proof of sex, but not proof of assault.
        
       | gcr wrote:
       | What are the false positive and false negative rates of DNA
       | testing? Paternity tests for example seem to have ~1.1% false
       | positive rates, and that's comparing a single sample to a single
       | other sample.
       | 
       | Keep in mind that comparing a DNA sample to a gallery for the
       | purpose of large-scale matching raises the false positive
       | likelihood significantly. I'm not at all convinced that this
       | could be done without convicting innocent people.
        
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