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Native macOS fix for applications hiding under the MacBook Pro
notch
Author : onnimonni
Score : 221 points
Date : 2024-02-12 12:05 UTC (10 hours ago)
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| onnimonni wrote:
| I learned yesterday about this setting which can be change the
| default whitespace in MacOS menu bar to get access to apps which
| would otherwise be hidden under the notch. Many of my colleagues
| told me they were happy so I thought it might be useful for wider
| audience as well.
|
| I know that the HN guidelines recommend linking to source
| directly but I think short blog post with images is easier to
| understand and I hope this is okay :)
| tambourine_man wrote:
| Wow, thank you.
|
| Someday Apple will expose the gazillion defaults write options in
| a "Pro" tab in System Settings. One can dream.
| lbourdages wrote:
| Back in the day there was a "secrets" third party preference
| pane you could install. It would let you toggle a bunch of
| options like this.
|
| https://osxdaily.com/2009/12/11/access-a-whole-bunch-of-hidd...
| Eric_WVGG wrote:
| > While it offers many features, I've refused to pay for a
| solution to Apple's poor design decision.
|
| The phrasing of this kind of gets under my skin.
|
| Like, it's fine to call it "refusing to pay" if it's some kind of
| Apple tax. Bartender is great little indie app, a real quality-
| of-life enhancement. I like to reward creative developers who
| come up with solutions for weird edge-case users like us.
| clawoo wrote:
| > While it offers many features, I've refused to pay for a
| solution to Apple's poor design decision.
|
| Well then you're in luck, because there's a free app called
| Hidden Bar[1] on the Mac App Store that allows you to hide
| icons which you're not interested in.
|
| I am not affiliated with the author(s?), I am just a happy user
| and I would probably be using it even if the Macbook didn't
| have a notch.
|
| [1] https://apps.apple.com/us/app/hidden-bar/id1452453066?mt=12
| thesuitonym wrote:
| Still sort of insane that you need extra apps to fix an issue
| that Microsoft figured out decades ago. The GP says it was in
| Windows Vista, but I'm pretty sure even Windows 98 had it. I
| know XP did.
|
| How has Apple not addressed this?
| seba_dos1 wrote:
| 98 did not, XP was the first one. So, this was addressed
| there merely 23 years ago, give them some slack! ;)
| evilduck wrote:
| Weirder still is that they did, they have an entire
| expanding control panel pane with redundant pop out
| controls for stuff that was previously in the menu bar,
| they just failed to universally integrate it with the
| system so that third parties could use it.
| bitcurious wrote:
| Hidden bar has the added benefit of not asking to record your
| screen, an insane thing to consent to for this very basic bit
| of functionality.
| onnimonni wrote:
| > Well then you're in luck, because there's a free app called
| Hidden Bar[1] on the Mac App Store that allows you to hide
| icons which you're not interested in.
|
| Author here: I did try Hidden Bar yesterday before finding
| this workaround and I uninstalled it today. I want to see all
| of the 16 apps that I have. I don't want to hide any of them.
| By changing the whitespace mentioned in the blog post I now
| can see all of them.
| jeroenhd wrote:
| I can understand the sentiment. It's not necessarily something
| against independent developers, it's anger about a problem that
| shouldn't happen in the first place to a device this expensive.
|
| Windows had a similar problem with its notifications tray
| growing to unreasonable size, and they fixed that back in
| Windows Vista, after applying some auto-hiding algorithm in
| versions before that. Apple missing this problem or not being
| able to come up with a solution is simply not believable, this
| has to be the result of them simply not caring or refusing to
| address the issue for stylistic reasons.
|
| I'm sure Bartender is great software (even without the notch
| problem, from what I can tell!) but Apple is the one forcing
| their users to pay extra for their stupid design decisions. $16
| to fix a problem other operating systems fixed almost twenty
| years ago is a steep price to pay when you're expecting a
| quality laptop.
| onnimonni wrote:
| Thanks @jeroenhd for giving me the benefit of doubt and
| explaining it even better than I could! My intention was
| definitely not to bash bartender and I need to select my
| words more carefully in the future.
|
| It was just the only solution I knew before yesterday for a
| such a simple stupid design flaw from Apple. I have nothing
| against Bartender or its developers. I just wish I wouldn't
| need to install 3rd party software to fix Apple's issues.
| haswell wrote:
| There was a time when I would have agreed pretty whole-
| heartedly with you and dismissed this as a "simple stupid
| design flaw". I've been writing production code for over 20
| years, and the existence of solutions like Bartender is
| evidence that the problem can't be _that_ hard, right?
|
| And then I became a product manager for a large suite of
| capabilities for which large customers would spend
| millions/year, and my mind changed pretty significantly.
| Every release, I was forced to choose the 10-15 things that
| we could reasonably accomplish from a list of hundreds.
| Many dozens of the things that we _didn 't_ do could be
| classified as "simple stupid design flaws".
|
| There was one of these flaws in particular that I was
| determined to fix when I took the role. "This makes us look
| stupid" I thought. It had been a gap in the product for
| years, and I always marveled at the fact that no one had
| fixed it. But the reality was, the product was architected
| to be extensible, and to allow 3rd party developers to
| build their own solutions. And in this case, there were
| numerous solutions in the community that solved the problem
| quite well. When faced with the reality of a mile-long
| backlog, and many of those items having no solution at all,
| and no affordance for developers to solve them, the
| already-solved design flaw always fell below the cut line
| for each release, despite my best efforts to prioritize it.
| And I begrudgingly had to acknowledge that this was the
| right choice at the time.
|
| I have a slightly different view on these types of issues
| now. It's easy to call this a design flaw, but on the flip
| side, Apple has clearly made it possible for the community
| to solve this issue. I'm 100% positive someone at Apple is
| trying their hardest to get this thing fixed, but most
| likely keeps getting thwarted by more critical issues, and
| the realities of managing a large and complex
| platform/ecosystem.
|
| "Apple has all the money; they should just scale up the dev
| team". And if they did, those new devs would be assigned to
| the next 10-15 items on that mile-long list that are still
| more important than a 1st party solution to a solved
| problem.
|
| It does show the cracks in Apple's marketing, but it's also
| far more understandable and reasonable than I once would
| have believed.
|
| (I don't/didn't work for Apple).
| tzs wrote:
| It still makes no sense to me because I don't see how it is
| relevant that it is fixing what you see as a design flaw
| from Apple.
|
| If the gutters on one side of my house frequently get
| clogged up with needles because the builder planted some
| pine and fir trees close to the house (but not so close as
| to be against any codes or regulations), I'm not going to
| just live with it because it is the builder's fault and so
| I'm not going to spend money to install gutter guards or
| have the trees removed.
|
| I think it is a design flaw in many car mirror systems that
| when a car that is overtaking you gets close enough to no
| longer be visible in the center mirror it isn't yet visible
| in the side mirror. It is never occurred to me to just live
| with it because fixing it means spending money to fix the
| car's design flaw.
|
| I fix this by buying a cheap little stick on convex mirror
| and sticking it on the side mirror. Then there is overlap
| between what I can see in the center mirror and what I can
| see in the side mirror, and I can see overtaking cars at
| all times. (Or bicyclists and motorcyclists that are lane
| splitting).
| onnimonni wrote:
| You're right and anyone can fix this same issue with
| Bartender too. You can also fix this issue by using your
| MacBook solely with external monitor :D
|
| My point was just to raise awareness that there's a free
| alternative which doesn't require any 3rd party apps.
| Nullabillity wrote:
| > I'm not going to just live with it because it is the
| builder's fault and so I'm not going to spend money to
| install gutter guards or have the trees removed.
|
| No, you'd complain to the builder until they fix their
| fuckup.
| HumblyTossed wrote:
| > I can understand the sentiment. It's not necessarily
| something against independent developers, it's anger about a
| problem that shouldn't happen in the first place to a device
| this expensive.
|
| This. Apple cultivates this myth that they only release
| polished devices/software. When they fail to do even the
| littlest things like work with a design decision _they_ made,
| people, rightfully, get frustrated.
| lex-lightning wrote:
| I agree. I love my iPhone and my iPad. But that touch bar
| era on the Mac was rough.
| cqqxo4zV46cp wrote:
| Polished doesn't mean perfect. This sounds like you've got
| an axe to grind and nothing more.
| HumblyTossed wrote:
| Sounds like you're just a wee sensitive. No axe, just
| telling like it is.
| hobs wrote:
| How many trillions of dollars does Apple need before we
| can complain about menu bar items?
| sofixa wrote:
| > I can understand the sentiment. It's not necessarily
| something against independent developers, it's anger about a
| problem that shouldn't happen in the first place to a device
| this expensive.
|
| Especially considering how much people harp on about Apple's
| amazing UX and quality and how that makes the absurd prices
| worth it. The notch problem, as well as other UX bugs (like
| scroll direction having two separate toggles in
| mouse/touchpad settings, that toggle each other) really don't
| look all that polished to me.
| jwells89 wrote:
| I think Apple hasn't followed Microsoft on status item (that
| the name of menubar icons on macOS) management is simply
| because they didn't intend for the API to be used even a
| fourth as much as it is.
|
| In older releases (back when in it was still known as OS X),
| persistent status items weren't something devs could do
| without dipping into hacks. That part of the menubar was
| intended solely for system stuff, e.g. the display and sound
| menus.
|
| There were always APIs for transient status items, but those
| were intended for use by "normal" apps with a dock icon that
| you have open only temporarily to accomplish some tasks
| (which means these status items wouldn't accumulate). Status
| items added this way couldn't even be rearranged like the
| system ones.
|
| So in short, there's no management because they're designing
| for the user who has a couple of status items, not 5, 10, or
| 15+.
| cpuguy83 wrote:
| This is not the same thing as Windows. MacOS users choose to
| have those things in the menu bar.
|
| On Windows the notification bar was a dumping ground that you
| couldn't prevent apps from using.
| pushedx wrote:
| 30% or more of the cost goes directly to Apple, so there are
| some perverse incentives at play with such unofficial fixes.
| hannes0 wrote:
| You can purchase directly on their website or via Setapp. So,
| I would count this as an argument.
| cqqxo4zV46cp wrote:
| I assure you that whatever money Apple would make from this
| wouldn't make a dent in even some lower-level Apple pleb's
| P&L.
|
| This sort of unbound cynicism isn't intelligent or useful. It
| shouldn't be conflated with being usefully or interestingly
| critical.
| lynndotpy wrote:
| It adds up when you need to pay $25 to get per-app volume
| control, $20 to fix to the menu bar, $10 to get window
| management, etc, per seat.
|
| I don't think it's cynical to point out the perverse
| incentive. I think it's a useful point for discussion,
| especially given anyone familiar with any of the other
| major desktop environments (Windows, GNOME, KDE, etc.)
| might be surprised to learn that there's a modern desktop
| environment lacking these amenities.
| aqme28 wrote:
| "Refusing to pay for...Apple's design decisions" makes no sense
| when you just spent $2000 on an Apple laptop, in order to not
| pay an indie dev $16
| wtetzner wrote:
| I think the point is that you shouldn't need to spend
| anything extra after spending $2,000 on an Apple laptop for
| something Apple should have already addressed.
| OJFord wrote:
| No, that's clearly not 'I should not have to pay Bartender for
| its work'; it's 'I should not have to find a third-party who
| can sell me a fix'.
| risho wrote:
| especially considering that apple is full of poor design
| decisions that people have already been using third party
| software to compensate for. for example a lack of any form of
| reasonable window management that the many people use stuff
| like magnet or rectangle to compensate for. or the fact that
| mouse scroll direction and trackpad scroll direction are
| linked. or the fact that you can't control volume on a per app
| basis.
| delfinom wrote:
| Handling the app icons properly due to the notch IS something
| that Apple should have done. It's pure idgaf incompetence on
| Apple's part. Their software quality has been declining the
| past few years in respects to macOS.
| lxgr wrote:
| Besides the freeware/shareware issue, I'd like to limit the
| number of various little tools running on my computer, often
| with effectively full access to my data (since software that
| provides that type of quality-of-life improvements for core OS
| functionality is often hard/impossible to sandbox).
|
| I can't even use most of these on my work Mac for the same
| reason (it's outright not allowed/possible by policy).
| daviddever23box wrote:
| It is perfectly acceptable to provide a zero-cost, command-line
| focused solution to a single, specific user-interface
| constraint, while, at the same time, providing additional
| parametric insight to macOS user preferences.
| yardie wrote:
| Longterm Mac OS users have used tools like Onyx[0] to configure
| hidden system and finder settings. It's probably one of my first
| downloads after an OS upgrade.
|
| [0] https://titanium-software.fr/en/onyx.html
| therealmocker wrote:
| Could you share some examples of settings you customize with
| this tool? The description on the website seems pretty fairly
| broad.
| josephd79 wrote:
| I just use TopNotch.
| speedgoose wrote:
| It's not doing what you think it does.
| kjkjadksj wrote:
| Broken in Sonoma
| luuurker wrote:
| Top Notch is working well here with 14.3.1.
|
| This app only makes the menu bar black though, so it's not
| really a fix for what the article complains about.
| tw04 wrote:
| Bartender is an app that will let you hide items/hide items in a
| submenu. I have no affiliation, and it just works.
|
| I'm guessing there's something similar open source but I've yet
| to stumble across one that works as well.
|
| https://www.macbartender.com/
| iAkashPaul wrote:
| HiddenBar
| neodymiumphish wrote:
| When I open the hidden bar, they still expand "behind" the
| notch. What am I doing wrong?
| evilduck wrote:
| Nothing. HiddenBar will declutter your menu bar by hiding
| things but it doesn't help with having so many menu bar
| items that they're obscured by the notch like Bartender
| does.
| neodymiumphish wrote:
| Damn, ok. Thanks for the clarification.
| DavideNL wrote:
| Yea, Bartender does its job really well... simple and stable.
| Would also recommend.
| tanepiper wrote:
| $20 for what should have been the workaround from Apple for
| their design decision. I mean really, too many icons - have a
| widget to display the rest on click - the number of times I
| have to kill Alfred to get to Docker Desktop is more than I can
| count on one hand.
| aeturnum wrote:
| I think it's worth emphasizing that, while Bartender does
| solve this egregious oversight from Apple - it also makes a
| number of enhancements to the top bar that are hard to write
| off as "bad Apple design". Even if the notch has never
| bothered you it may be worth your money.
| rsanek wrote:
| This is mentioned in the third sentence of the article.
| iAkashPaul wrote:
| HiddenBar is a FOSS alternative to Bartender, combined with
| reduced whitespace it'll be quite nice!
| Erratic6576 wrote:
| There's a FOSS alternative to bartender
| euroderf wrote:
| Do tell
| DarthNebo wrote:
| HiddenBar
| SteveAlexander wrote:
| You don't need to log out / in after trying this. You can instead
| restart the service that runs the menu bar.
|
| killall -KILL SystemUIServer
| onnimonni wrote:
| EDIT: I tried this out and at least it didn't work for me. The
| whitespace did change a bit after running your command but not
| as much as happens when I log out and log in.
| Simulacra wrote:
| I find the notch the be an utterly horrible design choice. Like
| the iPhone notch, it seems like a major step back in aesthetic. I
| found both too distracting for comfort.
| lioeters wrote:
| I agree, Steve Jobs would have never accepted such a design
| compromise.
| flohofwoe wrote:
| I really like my M1 Mac, but the notch has to be the dumbest
| design decision in the history of laptops :/ I would accept any
| design compromise for the webcam, make it grainy / low-res and
| put it under the display, put it at the bottom so it points up my
| nose, or move into a small 'corner notch' in the top-right corner
| so that the camera looks at me from the side ... anything really
| but please get rid of that stupidly oversized center notch.
| bri3k wrote:
| You can change the resolution in System Settings->Displays,
| make it so the entire display is below the notch.
| flohofwoe wrote:
| The thing is, I really _like_ the thin bezel, but why has the
| notch to be so massively big? The camera hole looks like it
| 's just about 3..4 millimeters in diameter.
|
| PS: also looking around, there seem to be plenty of laptops
| with thin display bezel and no notch, if others can do it,
| why not Apple?
| Wowfunhappy wrote:
| > PS: also looking around, there seem to be plenty of
| laptops with thin display bezel and no notch, if others can
| do it, why not Apple?
|
| Because those laptops have worse webcams.
|
| You don't have to agree with the tradeoff Apple made, in
| fact I don't, but I think the reasoning is pretty clear.
| Waterluvian wrote:
| There's like four different things in the notch. Not just a
| camera. Plus some recessed screw holes to mount it.
|
| The notch feels weird, but when I try to redesign it
| without sacrificing features, I can't come up with a better
| option. ...Not that I'm a brilliant designer by any means.
| pimanrules wrote:
| Not really? There's a webcam, an indicator LED, an
| ambient light sensor, and a lot of empty space. As far as
| I can tell, the MacBook notch is wide just to make it
| look like the iPhone notch.
|
| https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/5JIdAqwLsxWAFAyZ
| Tagbert wrote:
| There is also the mounting hardware. It's not an
| unreasonable size for what it contains. If they were to
| really redesign the module they might shave a little off
| of it but how impactful would that reduction really be?
| johnwalkr wrote:
| They probably set the notch size with some margin too, so
| they could develop the camera module and LCD at the same
| time.
| Tagbert wrote:
| Here is the module behind the notch: https://forums.macru
| mors.com/attachments/img_0383-jpeg.22053...
| dlivingston wrote:
| > The MacBook notch is wide just to make it look like the
| iPhone notch.
|
| I'm convinced this is true, at least partially.
|
| The iPhone notch is branding and a visual differentiator
| from the competition, which is Apple's forte, and
| carrying over that very distinctive design element to
| other product lines seems right in Apple's playbook.
|
| In other words: glass slab in your hand? Who knows. Glass
| slab with a black notch? iPhone.
|
| Person typing on metallic laptop in a cafe? Who knows.
| Ah, but the screen has a notch? MacBook.
| jwells89 wrote:
| Most of those other laptops have asymmetric bezels, which
| Apple was probably trying to avoid. They wanted thin bezels
| on all edges.
|
| The extra room in the notch is likely there in case they
| want to change webcam parts to something larger, add Face
| ID, etc so they don't also have to change the display panel
| and can continue to use existing stock.
|
| Apple seems to like to try to avoid changing parts/tooling
| wherever possible and will go as far as to awkwardly keep
| using a chassis until stock of that part has been exhausted
| if necessary (see the 13" M1 Touch Bar MBP).
| nottorp wrote:
| > Most of those other laptops have asymmetric bezels,
| which Apple was probably trying to avoid. They wanted
| thin bezels on all edges.
|
| Yeah, I'm thinking firing Johnny Ive wasn't enough.
| tambourine_man wrote:
| It is extremely hidden, but here's how you access all
| available resolutions, including the ones which work below
| the notch:
|
| https://support.apple.com/en-ke/guide/mac-
| help/mchl86d72b76/....
| dev_tty01 wrote:
| Just use something like RDM to set the screen size to the
| choice that is a few pixels shorter. The system will take those
| pixels off the top and the notch will disappear. The top of the
| active pixel area will be a bit lower.
|
| I suspect those settings are available in the controller
| because some Apple engineers also hate the notch.
| gniv wrote:
| > I would accept any design compromise for the webcam, make it
| grainy / low-res
|
| I think this is a minority opinion.
|
| I personally don't remark the notch anymore.
| ambyra wrote:
| It's an okay solution, not the best, but definitely the most
| expensive.
|
| Another solution that would have been cool and expensive: if
| they put a camera in each corner of the screen. Then at least
| they could have the rounded corners they always wanted. Also
| four cameras could be used for cool 3d effects and AI to keep
| your eyes looking at the center of the screen.
| cooper_ganglia wrote:
| Wait a second, I think you're onto something here...
| mceachen wrote:
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_Phone had a camera
| on every corner of the front screen.
| cooper_ganglia wrote:
| Thanks for the link! I went in search of a product like
| this to read about it's development, but didn't find one
| in my short search. This was super convenient!
| LeonenTheDK wrote:
| > Also four cameras could be used for cool 3d effects and
| AI to keep your eyes looking at the center of the screen.
|
| Nvidia has been doing the eyes with a single generic camera
| for over a year now: https://www.nvidia.com/en-
| us/geforce/news/jan-2023-nvidia-br...
| lxgr wrote:
| Facetime has been doing this for a few years now too.
| It's called something not-quite-straightforward in the
| settings ("enhance attention" or something).
| rcdemski wrote:
| Not sure if it was renamed but today the setting is
| called "Eye Contact"
| threeseed wrote:
| I think you need to think through that four camera concept
| a bit more.
|
| It would significantly increase the screen bezels because
| instead of just one notch you now have to bring in all four
| edges to accomodate the cameras.
| pompino wrote:
| It's the majority opinion, infact Apple _also_ believes that
| the notch is a compromise. Apple has been trying to develop
| the under-screen webcam tech. They just don 't have the
| technical capability to eliminate it. When Apple and others
| finally eliminate the notch it will be heralded as the best
| thing ever.
|
| Few will realize how Apple milked you twice - once to accept
| the horrible design (that they created), and again to accept
| how wonderful they are for eliminating the problem.
| KerrAvon wrote:
| Unless you've actually conducted a survey, you don't know
| how many people feel like you do. I get that you hate it,
| but I personally haven't noticed the notch in day to day
| use ever -- I've been using an M1 in light mode since it
| came out.
| pompino wrote:
| I am not saying its the most pressing design feature that
| disqualifies a purchase. I just don't get the push-back
| when pointing out obvious flaws.
| resfirestar wrote:
| I don't see anyone saying the notch on a laptop is a "good"
| thing that they bought the laptop to get, just people who
| bought a laptop for other reasons justifying why an
| imperfect screen shape wasn't enough to make them regret
| the purchase. They're not being "milked" in any way I can
| see.
|
| Compare phones, where manufacturers have actually created a
| narrative that camera cutouts are a desirable feature.
| Maybe people who bought new phones because they like the
| cutout design are getting milked twice.
| pompino wrote:
| Its an MBA thing. Engineers and nerds would never support
| it.
|
| https://www.google.com/search?q=apple+incremental+innovat
| ion
| Tagbert wrote:
| All designs involve compromise. That doesn't mean that
| those designs are bad, just that they are taking into
| account factors which are in opposition. Factors such as
| size, capacity, function, and legibility are examples of
| the kinds of oppositional factors that designs often need
| to take into account.
|
| The MacBook notch is a clever design that increases the
| size of the screen without increasing the size of the
| overall case. There are some, relatively minor, downsides.
|
| 1. Some applications have an unusual number of menu items.
| The system takes this into account and renders those menu
| items to the right of the notch. In many cases, those are
| the less often used menu items "Window" and "Help" so the
| impact is lower.
|
| 2. When there are large numbers of app icons in the
| menubar, they may not all fit and some are truncated. This
| has always been a problem with that feature and many people
| have solved this by using utilities such as Bartender that
| hide extra app icons and move them to secondary panels.
|
| 3. There is an additional visual element on the screen.
| Many people quickly learn to ignore the notch and soon
| forget that it is there. For those who are bothered by it,
| there are a couple of simple ways to reduce the visibility
| of it. One method is to change the resolution of the screen
| so that all content appears below the notch. The downside
| of that solution is that there is less screen area. Another
| method is to use a utility to turn the menubar black. This
| makes the notch blend into the menubar so that it is much
| less visible.
| pompino wrote:
| Do you agree that there is good and bad design?
| Furthermore, I don't see what is wrong in criticizing bad
| design when the Vendor also acknowledges that it's bad
| and they're rushing to fix it. This isn't software where
| you can just run an update. No, you have to re-buy the
| machines to get the fixed design.
| halostatue wrote:
| I do believe that there is bad design and Apple
| occasionally falls prey to it. Design that is not suited
| to purpose, like the late-2010s keyboards, is bad design.
| Design that is intentionally anti-human (anti-loitering
| architecture, HP printer locks, etc.) is bad design.
|
| The notch is not bad design: it is a design compromise.
| _In reality_ the presence of the notch increases the
| overall screen space with the reduced bezel. That
| electronics wizardry and physics do not currently permit
| under-screen high definition cameras means that you need
| bezel space for it. That Apple managed to get it to be
| ~35mm x ~9mm is impressive. On every other laptop in the
| world with a webcam at the top, that ~9mm is required
| forehead on the laptop, meaning at least a ~9mm bezel.
|
| And Apple is not rushing to replace this. After all,
| we've had three generations of Apple laptops released
| with the notch. Sure, if/when they prove they can do a
| quality under-screen camera, they will update this (after
| they update the iPhone family). But calling this "bad
| design" is suggesting that you could do better.
| duxup wrote:
| > put it at the bottom so it points up my nose
|
| My Dell has a nose cam... it's so unpleasant a view that it is
| unusable IMO.
| wulfeet wrote:
| I've been using a M1 for well over a year, and until about two
| weeks ago I didn't know it had a notch.
|
| I don't follow the tech press, who I'm sure discussed it a
| great length when it was released. And I'm not personally
| invested in the Mac, it's owned by my employer.
|
| So I didn't notice the notch until my cursor disappeared while
| scrolling across the top of the screen.
| TillE wrote:
| Yeah it's completely invisible if you use a background that's
| very dark near the top, I haven't thought about the notch in
| months.
| bombcar wrote:
| The notch is really noticeable if you have a white menubar.
|
| I'd take a screenshot of it but ... ha!
| bloopernova wrote:
| I use my mac docked and closed, so I hardly ever see the notch.
|
| However I think Apple should be able to use some fancy
| engineering to keep the camera as hidden as possible in the
| edge of the screen surround. Or use multiple fibre optic points
| embedded in the screen along with those fancy neural processors
| to create an eye-to-eye webcam.
| swozey wrote:
| I've had an m1 max 14" since the week they first released 2-3
| years ago and I actually COMPLETELY forgot there was a notch
| until I read this post.
|
| I can't think of like, one time when it was an issue but I also
| have probably used TopNotch since then.
| thimp wrote:
| Haven't really noticed mine. Even after I've used it plugged
| into the studio display for a couple of days and go back to
| laptop mode, it's just such a non issue.
| pdntspa wrote:
| I agree here. I thought it was dumb but the OS works around
| it really nicely; the only time it ever got in the way was
| with some non-native software
| lloeki wrote:
| I live with it, the most annoying part being how big it is
| vertically. It has a weird psychological effect of screaming
| _WASTED SPACE!!!_ at me, even though I rationally know that
| if the screen would start below would make for less space.
|
| It's constantly bothering me to the point that I set a
| background with a black area at the top so that it blends
| with the menubar. I don't have a problem with the menubar
| icons though because I keep that tidy and minimal.
|
| I punt on the issue through clamshell mode most of the time
| though.
|
| To each their own, and TBH I have worse pet peeves.
| devsda wrote:
| The way I see it, we can think of the screen below the
| notch as actual display area and consider the area next to
| notch as bonus display dedicated for menubar. The bonus
| area goes dark when in fullscreen app. So, the app area is
| consistent in both modes.
|
| This way you don't have to feel like there's wasted space.
| j45 wrote:
| Is there a chance anything that us paid attention to grows
| in size.
|
| Would anyone be willing to go to an older laptop without
| it?
|
| Assuming not, what are the options? External displays?
|
| I find I usually look at the content on the screen not the
| webcam or the notch, but it could be different for others
| tcdent wrote:
| I've had my M2 Air for about a month now and this thread is
| the only reason I know that it's there. Never would have
| noticed.
| Fnoord wrote:
| I own a M1 MBP.
|
| What you wrote about notch isn't a fact but a (controversial)
| opinion. Some people feel very strongly about it in a negative
| way, but many don't care.
|
| Personally, I don't care much about notches, and if you can put
| the pixels very dark/black (ie. OLED) I don't think you should
| care either. With Settings -> Accessibility -> Reduce
| Transparency you can make the menubar very dark. But to be
| fair, miniLED isn't OLED.
|
| I am using Bartender to hide items in menubar. I did so before
| notch existed. Without it, I wouldn't be able to fit my menubar
| (with or without notch).
| bombcar wrote:
| I prefer to think of it as two large full-color notches going
| _upwards_ as compared to a small black notch coming down.
|
| Too bad they didn't increase the resolution of the display
| slightly for that.
| selectodude wrote:
| They absolutely did though. The notched MacBooks are
| 15.5:10 instead of 16:10.
| bombcar wrote:
| I'm honestly amazed I didn't know that, perhaps Apple
| should have shipped the NotchBook Pro(tm) with the
| menubar below the notch, and everything above black, and
| had a setting you could change to turn it to how it is
| now.
| Fnoord wrote:
| [delayed]
| lcnmrn wrote:
| I sold a M2 MBA and bought a M1 MBA because of the notch.
| dur-randir wrote:
| >but the notch has to be the dumbest design decision in the
| history of laptops
|
| No, it had been the touch bar. There're multiply solutions for
| the notch, none had been imagined for that abomination.
| andrei_says_ wrote:
| The notch gives me a larger screen combined with a camera and a
| smaller body. I personally value these and the decision to use
| that real estate for the hardware camera is imo quite creative.
|
| I paid a few dollars for the bartender app which solves for the
| hidden apps. Haven't thought about it since.
| Groxx wrote:
| I really hate it. I lose menu bar applications and application
| menus behind it _literally every single day_.
|
| I don't mind that it exists and that some people prefer it to
| large bezels... I just wish there was a way to say "claim my
| screen is -X pixels and show me the full menu" like before.
| Without both requiring one app to be full screen and that crazy
| scaling mode that makes everything fuzzy.
| renewedrebecca wrote:
| That's literally possible... there's some criteria that will
| force the display into that mode (although I can't remember
| off hand what it is)
| Groxx wrote:
| Full screen app + tell it to shrink (afaik only available
| if it doesn't natively declare support for the notch).
|
| And it achieves it by scaling the whole screen ever so
| slightly, ruining pixel offsets everywhere and making
| everything fuzzy, seemingly so it doesn't ever present a
| non-standard display ratio despite the notch being very
| non-standard already, and despite full screen apps already
| working on external monitors that can have any ratio.
|
| It's not an option anywhere else. Nor would I want that
| fuzzy mess anyway. It's such an insane design.
| amanzi wrote:
| You're right about the dumb design decision. There's no good
| technical reason that it's so massive compared to the single
| tiny webcam. The only way it would have made any sense was if
| it also contained the FaceID array of cameras too. This was
| just Apple going all-in on the notch that was part of the
| "iconic" iPhone design. Now that the iPhone notch is on the way
| out, I expect they'll introduce the dynamic island to the MBP
| in a future update.
| kstrauser wrote:
| If you look at it as "the notch took away part of the screen",
| it's annoying. I see it like "the notch gave me new chunks of
| screen that wouldn't have been there otherwise".
| pompino wrote:
| A customer should care about looking at a retail product with
| their own POV, not someone else's. This is the classic
| "you're holding it wrong" response.
| SkyMarshal wrote:
| It's more the classic glass half empty vs half full
| response. Although given the small size of the notch, it's
| more like 10% empty vs 90% full.
| xattt wrote:
| "Screen half black vs half lit up"
| pompino wrote:
| I don't see a problem with criticizing the one of richest
| companies in the world on legitimate issues, or holding
| them to a very high standard. They can defend themselves
| just fine. I'd give a smaller company much more leeway. I
| own several Apple products (often the ones I criticize
| the most are the ones I personally purchased and used
| long term), but I'm not part of the Apple "community" or
| other Apple fanbases.
| yungporko wrote:
| no it's just a fact. before the notch, the parts of the
| screen either side of it were not screen, but now they are.
| the complaints about the notch literally boil down to "it's
| not _enough_ extra screen ".
| pompino wrote:
| The only "fact" here is that Apple is going to milk you
| twice. Once when they sold you a knowingly flawed design
| and again, when they finally develop the tech to
| eliminate the notch, Apple fans will happily line up to
| pay them again.
| kstrauser wrote:
| OK. I'm the customer here, and I'm looking at it with my
| own POV. I think it's neat that I have extra pixels to hold
| the menu bar so that the rest of the screen can be
| dedicated to the apps I'm running.
| pompino wrote:
| Good, so are you going to pay Apple twice? Once for
| creating the problem, and again when they develop the
| under-screen tech to fix it?
| kstrauser wrote:
| Um, yeah? I bought my current laptop with the extra
| pixels at a time I needed a new laptop. If Apple comes up
| with a way to add more extra pixels by the next time I'm
| looking to buy one, I'll get that.
|
| The notch is an improvement over the old thick bezel
| design. Presumably they'll find an even better solution
| down the road. When they do, I'm not going to complain
| that they didn't jump forward to the currently
| nonexistent technology on the first iteration.
| pompino wrote:
| It's called incremental innovation "this changes
| everything, again" (yawn!) , so they can slow talk you
| into opening up your wallet yet again. You can bet your
| bottom dollar if Apple saw a significant threat to their
| money maker, you'd see them eliminate the notch in gen 1
| itself. Suddenly the "non existent" tech would magically
| appear.
| threeseed wrote:
| The under screen tech doesn't even exist in a product
| today.
|
| Did you want Apple to hold off on giving people extra
| real estate until that happened ?
| pompino wrote:
| You've already accepted the premise that Apple is
| "giving" a feature to the customer, so there doesn't seem
| to be any room for a conversation.
| anais9 wrote:
| Completely agree - I made https://notchbegone.com to help mask
| it visually when it came out expecting Apple to quickly obviate
| via their own design updates and yet years later we're still
| having this conversation.
|
| My tinfoil hat take is that the true primary purpose of the
| notch is to drive upgrade purchases at some point in the future
| whenever serious technical advancements are waning.
| porphyra wrote:
| I don't think the notch is inherently dumb.
|
| It's a great use of the space in the macOS menu bar that is
| otherwise usually wasted.
|
| Moreover, having a good webcam is very important to a lot of
| Macbook users who would not be able to tolerate grainier
| cameras or the nostril-peering bottom positioning on some XPS
| laptops.
|
| It is, however, super annoying that various implementation bugs
| have not been fixed after years.
| ActorNightly wrote:
| >but the notch has to be the dumbest design decision in the
| history of laptops
|
| The virtual escape key on the touch bar, all while Apple was
| pushing their laptops as developer friendly, is magnitudes
| worse
| mort96 wrote:
| Just don't think of it as a 15.4:10ish screen with a hole cut
| out of it, think of it as a 16:10 screen with some extra space
| on top for the menu bar. Realistically, what you're proposing
| is to _remove_ the part of the screen with the notch in it to
| make it a normal 16:10 screen, and tbh that seems like a
| straight-up downgrade.
|
| I do think the machine looks better with a dark menu bar in the
| "notched" area though. That's how I have my Asahi Linux system
| set up.
| Miraste wrote:
| I don't believe those are the only options. Why is the notch
| so _big_? If they kept the webcam the same size and made it a
| hole punch in the display, instead of surrounding it with a
| giant blob that still can 't do Face ID, it would solve the
| whole problem.
| Tagbert wrote:
| Because there is more than just a camera. There is the
| camera, two sensors, and some mounting hardware. It all
| adds up to some space. The specific size doesn't really
| matter especially if you use Bartender to properly manage
| the app icons.
|
| See the camera module here: https://forums.macrumors.com/at
| tachments/img_0383-jpeg.22053...
| Miraste wrote:
| I know, but the other two sensors are for color
| temperature and light level. There's no reason they
| couldn't be in the bezel or the bottom of the display,
| and they don't need that massive chunk just to mount a
| camera.
|
| Before Apple Silicon I always set the menu bar to
| autohide, and it bugs me unreasonably that I can't do
| that anymore.
| beretguy wrote:
| People need to vote with their wallets and stop buying MacBooks
| with a notch instead of complaining.
| stewx wrote:
| IMO, complaining is probably a more effective way to get the
| message to Apple in this case than buying a different computer.
| evilduck wrote:
| To buy a Windows laptop with a half dozen worse problems
| instead? Hard pass, I'll take an even bigger notch instead
| please.
| stewx wrote:
| The free app Dozer gives you the ability to move icons into a
| collapsible section, which also solves this problem from a
| different angle. https://github.com/Mortennn/Dozer
| avnigo wrote:
| It doesn't look like it solves the problem.
|
| https://github.com/Mortennn/Dozer/issues/168
| LaSombra wrote:
| All this added padding from the last few releases forces me to
| believe this is in preparation for a port to iPad or AVP.
|
| EDIT: The hardware is there, it's just a matter of getting the
| right UX in place.
| jwr wrote:
| I don't mind the notch (I understand the reason it's there and
| it's a compromise), but it boggles my mind that Apple decided to
| just place the icons under the notch, where they aren't visible.
|
| This is a clear example of lack of dogfooding: clearly Apple
| executives do not use many apps, or they would have been
| infuriated at the stupid problem.
| nottorp wrote:
| Apple executives don't have time to use computers :)
| Saris wrote:
| How come apple doesn't just 'jump' over the notch and keep
| displaying icons on the left side like android does?
| xwowsersx wrote:
| This drives me nuts. I resort to quitting applications until I've
| removed enough that the app I'm looking for is visible again. I
| did use bartender for a while. I can't remember why I stopped
| using it.
| onnimonni wrote:
| Author here: Sounds very familiar. I used this exact same "Poor
| Man's process" up until yesterday :D
| notorandit wrote:
| The real point for me is: where were all Apple Egineers when the
| decision ws taken to add (or actually remove) that notch to the
| display? Have then been called in at all?
|
| I can hardly think that the decision came from the engineers:
| that would not solve any technical problem or add any extra
| technical feature. Just whoes.
|
| The decision likely came from the marketing.
|
| Fancy and stylish decisions (the nothces) on engineered stuff
| (the Mac) should require the former to beg the latter for a go/no
| go badge.
|
| I think you can put a camera in any of the 4 corners in a bezel,
| you can put it (back) in the middle of the upper bezel, maybe in
| the middle of the lower bezel.
|
| Or ask you Apple fans to use their iPhone as a camera.
|
| Look at where they put cameras in a Tesla. Not where it is nice,
| but where it is effective under all the points of vieew.
|
| To me the notch is totally useless also in my phone as it doesn't
| add anything. It rather makes some of my screen real estate
| unavailable. Just to get a slimmer bezel which is not a useful
| feature.
|
| I would rather sacrify some of the bezel to get back my perfectly
| rectagular display without any rounded corners (another pesky
| marketing-driven decision) or nothces. Meh!
| tiltowait wrote:
| While I doubt anyone at Apple wants to keep the notch forever,
| I imagine the engineers justified the notch as adding screen
| real estate, and rightly so. The display's size ratio is
| 1728:1117, which is slightly taller than the 16:10 of the older
| displays--taller by exactly the size of the notch, in fact. So
| while it's a bit unsightly, it does serve the functional
| purpose of allowing them to raise the "ears" of the monitor
| about the size of the menu bar[1].
|
| Prior to owning this Mac, I always set the menu bar to
| autohide, which wasn't the greatest UX but gave me some extra
| screen space. Now I can keep the same space and have the menu
| bar always visible. Seems like a win to me.
|
| [1] Yes, they could have just made the top bezel bigger and had
| no notch, but that would have have meant having a smaller
| screen or a larger footprint for the laptop. I don't like the
| notch one bit, but I think they made the correct choice.
| noqc wrote:
| >I think they made the correct choice.
|
| Do you understand how much harder layout is when its not on a
| rectangle?
| threeseed wrote:
| > Just to get a slimmer bezel which is not a useful feature
|
| I would much rather have more screen real estate.
|
| And if you need to have a perfectly rectangular display you can
| just make your apps full screen.
| dorianmariefr wrote:
| You can kill " _Core_ " processes if you don't want to log
| out/log in
| onnimonni wrote:
| Author here: Can you test this and share a working one-liner? I
| will happy to add it into the blog post.
|
| I tried few commands like this but they didn't work
| consistently for me.
| luuurker wrote:
| I've been using Bartender since before the notch because often
| the space isn't enough.
|
| This is something macOS needs to handle better. The notch itself
| only removed some space, but the problem was already there.
| Tagbert wrote:
| This is a "problem" that existed before the notch was born and
| has been fixed with Bartender (and clones) for several years now.
| Anyone with lots of app icons would run into situations where the
| icons would not all fit on the menu bar. Bartender gave us
| control and helped reduce the clutter.
|
| The problem didn't start with the notch, it just made it more
| likely that someone would run into it.
| jonhohle wrote:
| As the author of a current and many past Menu Extras, holy crap!
| Why would anyone have so many menu bar apps!
| eitally wrote:
| I don't have that many, but they can definitely add up. On my
| work machine, where we have a need to provision multiple VPN
| options for technical staff working on client projects, I have
| menu bar icons for 3 VPNs, not to mention SentinelOne, Cylance,
| _and_ CarbonBlack... and Google Drive Sync, and then a few
| others for software I 've installed.
| lemming wrote:
| I find that I only have a couple, but I have a lot of system
| services in the menu bar. I currently have (apart from
| time/date): siri, control centre, the user switcher, wifi,
| battery, bluetooth, music, volume, spotlight, time machine and
| keyboard layout. Some of those show up by default, and some I
| had to turn on (bluetooth, keyboard layout). But that's all
| just default system stuff. I have only 3 custom apps, and the
| next one will go behind the notch by the look of it.
| nerdjon wrote:
| The large amount of white place has been driving me insane for a
| while, glad to see there is a fix I will need to check this out
| later.
|
| But I don't understand why Apple did not take a page out of
| Windows's taskbar. If there are too many make a dropdown. They
| are already easily draggable and removable so concern about bloat
| isn't really a concern. If I have them there I want them there
| and accessible.
| bloblaw wrote:
| The open-source Hidden Bar is my current solution to this
| problem, but I think I prefer this native fix.
|
| https://github.com/dwarvesf/hidden brew install
| --cask hiddenbar
| aeturnum wrote:
| > * I discovered a free, native macOS solution that doesn't
| require installing Bartender or any other additional apps.*
|
| > _You can adjust the values from 0 to 6 to accommodate even more
| icons. Personally, I found 6 to be a good fit._
|
| It's ultimately a really petty point - but this is not a fix.
| This increases the number of apps on the top bar before the
| problem occurs. Bartender (and hidden[1] - which I discovered in
| this thread) fix the problem. Calling a technique that delays the
| problem "a solution" after sneering at a project that actually is
| a solution just rubs me the wrong way.
|
| Edit: Though I'll leave my rude comment in its original form,
| it's also important to note that OP added a note clarifying this
| may not fix the problem for everyone in what I thought was a
| mature reaction to a petty complaint.
|
| [1] https://github.com/dwarvesf/hidden
| onnimonni wrote:
| You're correct that there are certain scenarios that won't be
| addressed by this. Would it be more fair to say to write that
| this will only postpone the issue?
|
| To offer a counterexample, I've been using my machine for
| slightly over a year now, and the number of applications
| running in the menu bar have stabilized to 16 apps. _So this
| undeniably resolves the issue on my machine and for my usage._
|
| EDIT: I think this was a great point and I added a notice
| section to the blog post so that everyone using this hack will
| be well informed to make best decisions. Thanks for the
| feedback!
| aeturnum wrote:
| I appreciate you taking my very petty feedback! I totally
| agree that it's a clever change that will allow most people
| to avoid the problem.
| onnimonni wrote:
| I really appreciate your original comment and it was
| straight to the point. It's probably good to still reflect
| about that part since other users might feel offended.
| Thanks also for the EDIT part too. It makes me feel that HN
| users won't tolerate bullshit but will nonetheless give
| great feedback :)
|
| Your comment original comment lead me to ask if HN admins
| could rephrase the blog article from: "Native macOS fix for
| applications hiding under the MacBook Pro notch" -> "Built-
| in MacOS workaround for applications hiding under the
| MacBook Pro notch"
|
| Which is more accurately representing the contents of the
| article. I also changed the title in my own blog post to
| this already.
| rollcat wrote:
| I endorse Hidden Bar, it's just such a simple and obvious
| solution.
|
| I use my Mac with a 43" screen at 4k/1x, so the space in the
| menu bar has never been a real problem... It's the sheer number
| of icons and the resulting clutter, especially as they're all
| tiny, monochromatic, and therefore hard to tell apart.
|
| IMHO, 80% of apps that put icons on the menu bar, shouldn't,
| but the system doesn't really give them any better place. Lunar
| (<3) should just hook into the builtin system brightness
| control; Velja (<3) or Shortcat (<3) should've been panes in
| System Settings; and so on. And then there's apps that put
| icons in both the Dock _and_ the menu bar - just why...
| neither_color wrote:
| I found an alternative solution: the application Easyres, a
| little app that lets you change resolutions from the menu bar,
| has an alternative resolution that's about 30-40px shorter than
| the standard resolution. This gives you back the whole menu bar
| as it sits below the notch. It's a much cleaner look. The notch
| completely disappears and you forget it ever existed.
| swozey wrote:
| I use bartender and try to keep the right side of my menu
| pretty light on taskbar stuff. I think I do lose a few things
| on my 14" but anything critical I want in 1 click is on the far
| right and visible.
| klaushardt wrote:
| I just dump my default changes here. Maybe somebody finds
| something usefull for themself. Added the command from this
| thread too. :) Edit: Looks like i already did edit this before
| since mine was already at 8 and 12. Added the original source
| like its linked above.
|
| # Defaults and other Stuff sudo scutil --set
| HostName nix # https://macos-defaults.com/
| defaults write NSGlobalDomain NSNavPanelExpandedStateForSaveMode
| -bool true defaults write NSGlobalDomain
| PMPrintingExpandedStateForPrint -bool true defaults write
| NSGlobalDomain NSDocumentSaveNewDocumentsToCloud -bool false
| defaults write com.apple.dock "autohide-delay" -float "0" &&
| killall Dock defaults write com.apple.dock "autohide-
| time-modifier" -float "0.3" && killall Dock defaults
| write NSGlobalDomain ApplePressAndHoldEnabled -bool false
| defaults write NSGlobalDomain AppleShowScrollBars -string
| "Always"; killall Finder defaults write
| com.apple.screencapture "disable-shadow" -bool "true"
| defaults write com.apple.dock "tilesize" -int "38" && killall
| Dock defaults write com.apple.dock "mineffect" -string
| "scale" && killall Dock defaults write com.apple.finder
| "ShowExternalHardDrivesOnDesktop" -bool "false" && killall Finder
| defaults write com.apple.finder "ShowRemovableMediaOnDesktop"
| -bool "false" && killall Finder defaults write
| com.apple.dock "mru-spaces" -bool "false" && killall Dock
| defaults write com.apple.TimeMachine
| "DoNotOfferNewDisksForBackup" -bool "true" defaults write
| com.apple.dock "enable-spring-load-actions-on-all-items" -bool
| "true" && killall Dock defaults write com.apple.Music
| "userWantsPlaybackNotifications" -bool "false" && killall Music
| # https://www.jessesquires.com/blog/2023/12/16/macbook-notch-and-
| menu-bar-fixes/ # https://www.reddit.com/r/MacOS/comments
| /16lpfg5/hidden_preference_to_alter_the_menubar_spacing/
| # https://flaky.build/native-fix-for-applications-hiding-under-
| the-macbook-pro-notch #
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39343919 defaults
| -currentHost write -globalDomain NSStatusItemSelectionPadding
| -int 8 defaults -currentHost write -globalDomain
| NSStatusItemSpacing -int 12 # https://www.reddit.com
| /r/macgaming/comments/16ra8di/metal_hud_enabledisable_shortcut/
| #
| https://www.icloud.com/shortcuts/1271048e407543d391415934cad5edcd
| defaults write -g MetalForceHudEnabled -bool YES
| /bin/launchctl setenv MTL_HUD_ENABLED 1
| onnimonni wrote:
| Author here: @dang other users here helped me to understand that
| the title is bit misleading. I was just eager to share about this
| and possibly help others with this knowledge without thinking
| about this correctly.
|
| I already renamed the article on my end and redirected it to a
| new url: https://flaky.build/built-in-workaround-for-
| applications-hid...
|
| Can you change the url and rename the submission title to:
| "Built-in MacOS workaround for applications hiding under the
| MacBook Pro notch"
|
| Thanks a lot and sorry for the trouble!
| miles wrote:
| Here is the apparent origin post of this undocumented preference:
|
| _Hidden preference to alter the menubar spacing_
| https://www.reddit.com/r/MacOS/comments/16lpfg5/hidden_prefe...
|
| The author describes tracing Bartender's activity to hunt down
| the method.
|
| And this blog post mentions higher values than 6 (recommending 12
| for NSStatusItemSpacing and 8 for NSStatusItemSelectionPadding):
|
| _How to fix Mac menu bar icons hidden by the MacBook notch_
| https://www.jessesquires.com/blog/2023/12/16/macbook-notch-a...
| icodestuff wrote:
| The notch is what it is: a compromise between webcam quality,
| branding, and thin bezels. But it's hard to argue but that
| Apple's software integration with it is mediocre at best. None of
| the extra space is usable except by anything but the awkwardly
| tall menu bar and the status items or menu extras it holds, and
| the system not being aware of the notch --sometimes-- like
| letting status items pile up underneath, or being able to put the
| mouse pointer underneath it but not when a mouse button is held
| down (this behavior was removed in a late version of Ventura), or
| putting the picture-in-picture window partially underneath the
| menu bar (like it expects only a regular-sized menu bar to be
| there)... is symptomatic of a larger quality and integration
| problem at Apple, I think.
| actinium226 wrote:
| I was hoping this article would show how you could make
| fullscreen apps actually fullscreen. It bothers me that the top
| of the app sits below the notch - there are some apps where
| there's nothing in the top middle that the notch would cover, and
| the apps would benefit from a little bit of extra real estate.
|
| Oh well, we wait and hope someone figures it out.
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