[HN Gopher] Will Artificial Intelligence Lead to War?
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       Will Artificial Intelligence Lead to War?
        
       Author : rntn
       Score  : 11 points
       Date   : 2024-02-10 19:36 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
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       | worik wrote:
       | No
        
       | ilaksh wrote:
       | The overt "real life" war with China has been coming for a long
       | time. They have never had a plan to stop it. Leading edge
       | technology (including but not limited to AI) is currently being
       | used for cyber and psychological warfare and planning.
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       | Many people may try to blame some technology for the war. But the
       | real cause is the failure of those with power to find
       | alternatives to warfare for political and social integration and
       | overall to effectively manage resources. Beyond that, there are
       | significant contingents (not limited to any particular country)
       | that has a Malthusian, selfish, racist, explicitly non-civil
       | worldview, in which human lives aren't fundamentally valued. So
       | for this group, warfare is in some ways desirable.
        
         | genman wrote:
         | I think you have correctly identified that following the
         | Malthusian model is the death spiral that will lead to the war
         | eventually - even when US and (especially) China do not follow
         | this model. We can see already today how there are countries
         | that are living past the Malthusian growth and are relaying in
         | large part on the imported food, but still keep expanding their
         | population exponentially.
        
         | lucubratory wrote:
         | Yes, as someone reasonably familiar with Chinese politics,
         | history, and military modernisation (for a westerner, anyway),
         | watching our societies sleepwalk into war under the mistaken
         | impressions that 1) the war will be short or 2) we are likely
         | to win, is disturbing. I am genuinely worried about the likely
         | results of the American public psyche when thousands of
         | American soldiers are dead within the first week and there's no
         | feasible military option to break a PLA blockade on Taiwan. I
         | think for a lot of Americans who are used to American military
         | supremacy in the GWOT, including a lot of Americans who weren't
         | even alive for Soviet conventional overmatch, the idea that the
         | USA could lose (not be 'unable to win and give up', but
         | actually physically unable to prevent their enemy from
         | achieving their objectives or seizing and holding territory) is
         | literally unfathomable to them, like the sun rising in the west
         | tomorrow. I am genuinely worried that the US population would
         | overwhelmingly support a nuclear response, even though I trust
         | the American government to not be that stupid.
        
           | r14c wrote:
           | It depends a lot on what demographics you're talking about.
           | Unfortunately, the loudest and most politically empowered
           | very likely fall in line with what you're saying. There have
           | been massive anti-war demonstrations in the wake of every US
           | military action in the last 50-70 years, but their voices are
           | not exactly welcomed by the establishment.
        
       | throwaway5959 wrote:
       | American parents are allowing their children to be made so stupid
       | and pacified by TikTok that China won't need to go to war. The US
       | will just not engage and China will be able to do whatever they
       | want.
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       | Edit: yeah downvote away, I don't care. People need to speak up
       | about the garbage that kids are watching on these apps. If adults
       | want to ruin their minds with this trash, fine, but don't target
       | kids.
        
         | henriquez wrote:
         | China could just stop selling cheap Chinese crap to U.S.
         | companies. That alone would put Walmart and "Scamazon Crime"
         | out of business and our economy would implode, no war required.
         | 
         | As far as an AI war, I imagine dueling GPTs who cannot say
         | anything hurtful to each other due to their system prompts. It
         | would still be more productive (and potentially more
         | entertaining) than crypto mining.
        
       | musicale wrote:
       | Natural Stupidity is already doing a pretty good job of causing
       | wars.
        
       | r14c wrote:
       | Anything can lead to war if the leadership of various nations are
       | unwilling to find ways to de-escalate tensions and engage in
       | cooperative multi-lateral trade agreements. Peace is a choice.
        
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