[HN Gopher] Accidentally making windows vanish in my old-fashion...
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Accidentally making windows vanish in my old-fashioned Unix X
environment
Author : raid2000
Score : 43 points
Date : 2024-02-09 10:13 UTC (1 days ago)
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| pmontra wrote:
| I also used those windows managers around 1990, iconify to
| desktop and no task bar. I use a heavily customized GNOME 3
| desktop now, with an autohiding task bar that appears when I move
| the pointer to the bottom edge. My desktop is an empty solid
| color image that sometimes appears between windows. I don't keep
| anything there, even when it was still possible by default. Too
| much clicking but I don't like that defaults get more and more
| opinionated. Let people do whatever they want.
| chrsw wrote:
| "old-fashioned"... oof
| dsr_ wrote:
| I did this to myself 15 or 20 years ago, and ever since have put
| a collection area for iconified windows on a panel.
|
| In XFCE, it's easy to create a completely transparent panel
| running Window Buttons with "show minimized windows only" ticked,
| which emulates putting the icons on the desktop but corrals them
| to always show up in one location. Typically, if I have more than
| one minimized window, I've made a mistake -- but that's what the
| corral is for, saving me from mistakes.
| jmclnx wrote:
| I like this quirkiness of X window managers also. Some (like
| fvwm) will do exactly what you tell it to do, no more, no less.
|
| Sad to see these type quirks will go away when Linux moves
| completely to Wayland.
| raid2000 wrote:
| Yes. Some of them are are only a couple thousand lines of
| code[1]. No background "activities", no keyboard shortcut
| stealing from other apps.
|
| 1: https://git.suckless.org/dwm/files.html
| ratmice wrote:
| XGrabKey?
| TacticalCoder wrote:
| > Sad to see these type quirks will go away when Linux moves
| completely to Wayland.
|
| I started using Linux when I was 25 or so. I'm 51 now. I do
| believe there's a far from zero probability that X is going to
| outlast me... Even if I live until 80!
|
| P.S: and the day X dies, in decades, I do also think it's
| possible that, at long last, Wayland shall be as customizable
| and allows to do all the amazing thing X allows to do.
| bornfreddy wrote:
| Unfortunately, I don't share your optimism. Judging by the
| fiasco that systemd is and how it managed to completely win
| over init scripts, even the opensource world is not immune to
| fashion / politics / ...
| xyzzy_plugh wrote:
| I miss writing sysvinit scripts exactly _never_.
|
| Even if you were building a system for which init stages
| would be immutable, forever sealed and unchanging,
| determining the correct ordering means understanding every
| daemon and all their associated quirks and their
| dependencies and the quirks associated with their
| dependencies and so on...
|
| I will never get the hours spent being a human SAT solver
| trying to safely order hundreds of lexicographically
| ordered start and stop scripts that may or may not be
| present in an unbelievable number of permutations.
|
| The reason sysvinit is extinct is neither fashion or
| politics, but evolution.
| throwanem wrote:
| Given my experience writing systemd units and then trying
| to figure out why they don't behave as the documentation
| says that they should, this suggests that being miserable
| to work with must be an adaptively neutral trait in init
| systems, thus selected neither for nor against.
| toast0 wrote:
| Systemd has taken over most popular Linux distributions,
| but Linux isn't the whole of the opensource world.
|
| I suspect X servers will die out at some point, but you
| could probably just run XWayland right? I've not messed
| with Wayland yet, because it doesn't address my use cases
| (mythtv frontends which is one X program with no window
| manager, and running programs on freebsd/linux for display
| on Windows).
| numpad0 wrote:
| On Windows, there is "Move" menu item in shift+right click
| context menu on taskbar icons. Selecting this item, then pressing
| left/right/up/down key brings window immediately into closer edge
| of valid desktop area, with mouse pointer sent to that window
| titlebar. This item existed since at least OS/2, and although it
| was not found in early version of Windows 11 new taskbar, it has
| since been re-implemented.
|
| I know because I needed it while it had been missing :p
| kjellsbells wrote:
| I believe that is only available for native Windows apps. Alt-
| Space was the keyboatd shortcut for it, very useful if the
| window had moved so far offscreen that you could not reach it
| with the mouse.
|
| However, this doesn't seem to work with the newer Electron
| style apps, like Teams. They do not appear to follow the
| classic Windows patterns.
| xeromal wrote:
| Yeah, there's some delineation in those apps. I notice the
| same behavior when I hover over the "maximize window" icon in
| Windows 11 and some apps show an outline of the options of I
| have but electron apps including chrome
| mmis1000 wrote:
| At lease for the function that trigger by hoving maximun
| button. I believe windows do expose this api, firefox has
| this enabled for years even they draw the whole screen
| include icons using xul. And electron apps in native resize
| button mode also use actual windows resize button (Or fake
| one created by electron itself?) that has this function
| enabled. It's just some million-dollor company that are too
| dumb to support it properly (Or probably PM pushed it back
| because no user requires it?)
| pluc wrote:
| Never understood the point of "a desktop" because of this. Why
| bother to have programs you only use on-demand just sitting
| there? The same thing, that I find more useful, can be achieved
| by actually running the programs you need (through a run menu)
| and just having them exist. Windows are my desktop icons, I don't
| need what I don't use.
|
| (I use fluxbox with rofi)
| dsr_ wrote:
| There's more than one preference on how to do things.
| pk-protect-ai wrote:
| That's a dedication ... eating glass for 35 years or so ... I'm
| not better though, over decades I've stuck with GNOME 2 (MATE
| desktop atm) ... This made me think right now, what exactly do I
| want from a desktop environment, and why am I satisfied with
| GNOME 2? I need to make a list of it and really think about it.
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