[HN Gopher] Show HN: Improve cognitive focus in 1 minute
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       Show HN: Improve cognitive focus in 1 minute
        
       Staring at something for 30-90 seconds has been proven to improve &
       boost mental focus on subsequent tasks (from Andrew Huberman -
       https://youtu.be/CrtR12PBKb0?t=3367 ).  So I made something simple
       you can look at (and simultaneously meditate) for 1 minute to
       improve focus for your next task :) Let me know if it works for you
        
       Author : junetic
       Score  : 441 points
       Date   : 2024-02-07 13:03 UTC (9 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (oneminutefocus.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (oneminutefocus.com)
        
       | ctack wrote:
       | I like it, but it overflows on my iPhone SE screen.
        
         | junetic wrote:
         | Thanks. I will check it. Let me know if it helps you with
         | mental focus after (It actually does for me).
        
           | chrisweekly wrote:
           | iPhone 13pro also slightly overflows left and right side when
           | circle expands to its max size
        
       | zerojames wrote:
       | This reminds me of the old Headspace meditation app circle that
       | was used to help steady breathing before beginning a session. I
       | like it!
        
         | junetic wrote:
         | Haha yea. Thanks!
        
         | ninkendo wrote:
         | The mindfulness app that ships with Vision Pro has a similar 3D
         | sphere thing made of what look like flower pedals, it's
         | definitely a nice aid to the meditation.
        
       | giantg2 wrote:
       | And now you've meta sidetracked me with your Show HN post.
        
         | junetic wrote:
         | Sorry :D Back to your task!
        
           | giantg2 wrote:
           | Now I'm back again to view your reply. I'll get nothing done
           | now (which isn't much different than before this).
        
       | junetic wrote:
       | huberman talking about visual focus + brain effects -
       | https://youtu.be/CrtR12PBKb0?t=3367
        
       | leetrout wrote:
       | Related, on the meditation side, "Sit" was posted on here the
       | other day
       | 
       | https://sit.sonnet.io/
        
       | slingnow wrote:
       | If Huberman mentioned it in a podcast, it must be true and
       | groundbreaking way to hack your brain to a better life!
       | 
       | I can't wait to stare at this thing !!!!
        
         | junetic wrote:
         | Haha. Well have you tried meditation?
        
           | ssijak wrote:
           | only after breaking a fast with a cold plunge and sauna
           | afterward
        
             | generalenvelope wrote:
             | if you didn't time your caffeine intake this morning it's
             | all a wash /s
        
         | generalenvelope wrote:
         | Huberman's pretty good at taking research he doesn't have the
         | expertise to assess out of context and turning it into some
         | protocol that everyone needs to do.
         | 
         | The vast majority of things he talks about, if beneficial at
         | all, are at the margins and people stand to gain far more from
         | doing things like exercising and eating vegetables more.
         | 
         | Edit: Alan Flanagan has spoken on the Huberman paradox in
         | detail: - https://www.instagram.com/p/CkLPU7BMiIN/ -
         | https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Bgc3uGu0uoI
        
           | cassianoleal wrote:
           | Who's Alan Flanagan and why should I listen to his opinion on
           | Huberman?
           | 
           | From what I can tell, Huberman is a neuroscience Ph.D.
           | whereas Flanagan is one in nutritional science is that right?
           | If so, by credentials alone, Huberman seems like a better
           | reference in matters of the nervous system.
           | 
           | Note that I have no horse in this race, I'm really just
           | curious!
        
             | generalenvelope wrote:
             | Alan has an MSc and PhD in nutrition and runs Alinea
             | nutrition.
             | 
             | I can't speak on Huberman's assessment of research in the
             | neuroscience space, where he has expertise. Alan has done
             | some breakdowns of Huberman's broad claims related to
             | nutrition, and how they're generally hyperbolic and lacking
             | sufficient evidence (ie they're not based on studies that
             | show outcomes in actual humans in a controlled fashion).
             | The folks at Barbell Medicine have spoken to some of his
             | generic health/fitness claims as well, to similar effect.
             | 
             | I think Huberman uses his platform and title to paint
             | overly broad strokes about all kinds of things outside of
             | his expertise. Some of this could be attributed to a
             | platform like twitter that prioritizes small amounts of
             | text, but overall I think it's disingenuous especially as
             | someone claiming to be an expert. I think if he were more
             | interested in helping people he would focus less on
             | money/fame/views and take a more nuanced approach, instead
             | of (mis)leading people to change based on extremely limited
             | evidence. The problem is he wouldn't be able to churn out
             | so much content if he did so.
             | 
             | I have no reason to doubt any of his academic
             | qualifications. But I have a lot of appreciation for the
             | breadth and depth of knowledge required to speak
             | confidently about the latest evidence in a field. This
             | becomes a problem when the field is outside of one's
             | expertise. Alan goes into this in detail on his instagram
             | post.
             | 
             | I realize the post is based on something Huberman said
             | within his expertise. But I think the context is important
             | to understand, as it makes me wary of listening to him in
             | general.
        
           | slingnow wrote:
           | I have a nearly identical take, and every time I try to
           | explain to someone that there are much simpler and higher
           | impact changes they could make to their life, they can't seem
           | to comprehend it.
           | 
           | It's always met with something that sounds like: buT tHe
           | handsome NEuroSciENtiSt sAid !!!
        
       | plaidfuji wrote:
       | I am SO COGNITIVELY FOCUSED on reading this comment section.
        
       | fnordsensei wrote:
       | Speaking of Huberman, I've had great use of the physiological
       | sigh[1] for dealing with stress.
       | 
       | 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0OBgihk2f8
        
         | junetic wrote:
         | cool. so exhale longer than inhaling and repeat multiple times.
         | I think this works. thanks for sharing
        
           | theGnuMe wrote:
           | yeah basically it is how you breathe after sobbing intensely.
        
           | fnordsensei wrote:
           | It's more of a double-take on the inhale. 1) Inhale 2)
           | Microscopic pause 3) Inhale some more 4) Exhale longer than
           | inhaling.
           | 
           | From what I've noticed, more than two inhales is fine, it
           | still works. It just shouldn't be an uncomfortable amount of
           | air in the lungs.
           | 
           | I've also noticed that my dog does this when he's about to go
           | to sleep.
        
         | Semaphor wrote:
         | Didn't know it has a name, but I frequently do that when I'm
         | not calm enough to sleep.
        
           | theGnuMe wrote:
           | I do that, box breathing or even start a simple breathing
           | meditation. Makes me yawn almost instantly.
        
             | Semaphor wrote:
             | Short in, slow out when I'm almost sleepy enough, guided
             | 4-7-8-0 (4 seconds breathing in, hold for 7, breathe out
             | for 8) when I need to sleep but am simply not tired enough,
             | and guided box breathing for stress.
        
         | pksebben wrote:
         | I recognize the irony of posting this in a thread about
         | maintaining attention, but I could not sit through all that
         | salesey preamble to get to whatever the sigh is supposed to be.
         | 
         | Culture gripe; I wish more creators got to the meat first, and
         | added the long drawn out explanations later. I know why they
         | don't (views == $$), but for real. I don't need your life
         | story, just tell me how many onions I need to buy for the
         | recipe.
        
           | kqr wrote:
           | But if it was done that way, wouldn't the placebo effect be
           | weaker?
        
           | emsixteen wrote:
           | Thumbnail for that video is literally "Eliminate stress in
           | seconds", but is an 11 minute video.
        
         | phist_mcgee wrote:
         | A big upvote for this too.
         | 
         | Incredibly skeptical that it could work, but repeating it 5-10
         | times in a row significantly calms me and fills me with a warm
         | relaxed feeling for at least 10-15 minutes.
        
       | sippeangelo wrote:
       | This does not work if you have ADHD and you notice how you can
       | see your own reflection in the darkness of the dot and oh look I
       | forgot to shave this morning... wait where did the dot go??
        
         | junetic wrote:
         | :/
        
         | ben_ wrote:
         | True, but this isn't really something the page author can
         | address
        
         | as1mov wrote:
         | I read your comment before going to the site. After starting
         | the session, within a few seconds my mind drifted off into
         | noticing how I couldn't see my reflection since my laptops
         | screen is matte and why I prefer matte screens over a glossy
         | one...and I've lost track of the dot too :/
        
           | hnbad wrote:
           | I first got distracted by the "dot" starting to change size,
           | then noticed my reflection while thinking about how the
           | animation was probably supposed to represent breathing and
           | ... yeah, I gave up when I started thinking about Black
           | Mirror because I was thinking about how this problem could
           | have been avoided and black is more reflective than white.
        
         | rickydroll wrote:
         | and the dot changes are not smooth but jump when the browser
         | gets lost on other tasks.
        
         | dahart wrote:
         | Are you sure it doesn't work with repeated or sustained effort?
         | Maybe it's too short, surely one single 60-second sample isn't
         | enough to know, right? I was just googling a little, while
         | there isn't a ton of research, there seems to be growing
         | clinical evidence that mindfulness & meditation practices do
         | help people with ADHD. I don't know that the 1 minute dot
         | counts as mindfulness practice, but I'm also not aware of
         | reasons to count it out.
         | 
         | https://www.webmd.com/add-adhd/adhd-mindfulness-meditation-y...
         | 
         | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4694553/
         | 
         | https://www.healthline.com/health/adhd/adhd-meditation#get-c...
        
         | yungporko wrote:
         | nothing to do with ADHD. meditation takes practice, whether you
         | have ADHD or not.
        
           | dymk wrote:
           | Of course it takes practice regardless of if you have ADHD or
           | not, but ability to focus on something absolutely has
           | something to do with ADHD.
        
             | yungporko wrote:
             | right, so just like pretty much every other aspect of life
             | you can still do it with ADHD, it's just a bit more
             | difficult than it is for the average person. hardly seems
             | worth pointing out when it applies to virtually everything.
        
               | dymk wrote:
               | Responding "nothing to do with ADHD" to someone
               | complaining that their ADHD is making it harder to
               | concentrate is simply incorrect.
        
         | lloeki wrote:
         | I agree... the first (few) time(s) I did this kind of thing I
         | could not for the life of me keep my mind on track, instead it
         | was jitteringly jumping to this or that visual detail, this or
         | that sound, or whatever spark of thought popped up.
         | 
         | Every single time I could not help but hallucinate gigantic
         | infrastructure from the tiniest speck of dust, and I further
         | digressed into blaming my stupid self for being unable to
         | perform such a simple task.
         | 
         | It felt hopeless.
         | 
         | I felt hopeless.
         | 
         | But I kept at it, a day at a time. A moment at a time. I
         | accepted that failure is part of the process. I let go of
         | blame. Oh, here's a thought, oh well, I lost focus; well so be
         | it, let the thought float, a soap bubble drifting wherever it
         | fancies, I could _physically_ feel it wandering around my head
         | while I went back towards the goal, if only for just a little
         | bit, if only for just a little while.
         | 
         | And then, one day, the magic happened. The stray thought
         | vanished, the bubble faded away. I did notice the thought
         | popping up as usual, I did take note of its presence, but I did
         | not notice its later absence. I was _there_ , in the moment,
         | but I did not notice _being there_ in the moment. I only
         | noticed that _retrospectively_.
         | 
         | I had let go.
         | 
         | I had let go on my mind, but also, and perhaps more critically
         | I had let go of the illness. I am not ill. I am different. This
         | is who I am. This is me. There are others like me.
         | 
         | It does not work at first with ADHD, but long term it _does_
         | work, and it 's a fantastic tool for one to manage ADHD without
         | medication. It's training, like so many other things, one can't
         | reasonably expect to be good at it overnight. And with
         | continued training it gets easier.
         | 
         | Mind you it's not a silver bullet, but now I have one more tool
         | up my sleeve in that endless struggle.
        
         | noisli wrote:
         | You can try this https://breathe.noisli.com
        
       | TheLonelyClown wrote:
       | Very nice :)
       | 
       | Feedback: mostly I need to do this at work currently, which means
       | I am going to retreat to a quiet place and grab my phone.
       | 
       | Phone Screens going to sleep and the thing being interrupted by
       | tapping anywhere on the screen are not compatible. Not sure if
       | other people face this issue, but for me tapping anywhere on the
       | screen in order to not make the phone go to sleep should not
       | interrupt or restart this meditation. A small X in a corner would
       | be better.
       | 
       | Nit: The scrolling on your site is horrible broken on mobile.
       | Keeps rubber banding and bouncing around.
        
         | junetic wrote:
         | Ack. Just applied a fix on the scroll. Not sure what to do with
         | when mobile phone goes to sleep. Will look into it
        
           | dtran wrote:
           | Awesome project! Reminds me of donothingfor2minutes.com from
           | Calm, but with a different end goal of focus instead of calm.
           | 
           | Regarding mobile phones going to sleep, Wake lock [1] might
           | help, unless you can reduce to 59s since I believe 1m is the
           | threshold (make sure to request within the context of the
           | user hitting "start"). Unfortunately on older mobile browsers
           | [2], the best workaround I found was using this NoSleep
           | library[3].
           | 
           | Source: ran into this same issue when building
           | https://www.phonefreehour.com
           | 
           | [1] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/WakeLock
           | 
           | [2] https://caniuse.com/wake-lock
           | 
           | [3] https://github.com/richtr/NoSleep.js
        
       | ethbr1 wrote:
       | Recite your baseline.
       | 
       | > And blood-black nothingness began to spin... a system of cells
       | interlinked within cells interlinked within cells interlinked
       | within one stem... and dreadfully distinct against the dark, a
       | tall white fountain played.
        
       | crawancon wrote:
       | Neat idea and implementation!
       | 
       | I'm a bit jaded from the internet so I couldn't relax. I was
       | waiting for something to jump out or a big eyeball or something.
       | 
       | the white and black contrast was nice... though it started to
       | mess with my eyes as I stared. maybe awkward for light/strobe
       | sensitive folks?
        
       | Doe-_ wrote:
       | Fun!
       | 
       | I wonder if this lets you measure the average attention span of
       | visitors? I'd be curious to see the impact on the average of the
       | various platforms where this is shared.
        
       | afandian wrote:
       | I recommend https://breathly.app/
       | 
       | It's open source, runs on iOS and Android and has aboslutely no
       | clutter.
        
         | 65 wrote:
         | Thank you! I watched a podcast episode with Rick Rubin and
         | Andrew Huberman and they did a breathing exercise at the
         | beginning with an app like this. Rick Rubin never mentioned the
         | name of the app and when I tried to search the app store for
         | something like this it was all freemium junk.
         | 
         | I got so annoyed I was about to make my own damn app, but now I
         | don't have to.
        
       | zagrebian wrote:
       | Maybe it would be better if the circle didn't have such a high
       | contrast. I don't want a black circle burnt into my eyes after
       | I'm done with this exercise.
        
         | junetic wrote:
         | good feedback! thanks
        
           | troyvit wrote:
           | I enjoyed trying to tell if the circle had a 3d aspect to or
           | not, and also trying to tell if it was completely black or
           | actually dark dark gray. I'm not sure if I'm cognitively more
           | focused but I'm going to try it again when I need that focus.
        
         | hn8305823 wrote:
         | I had a slightly different reaction: I was very distracted by
         | the visual artifacts (brain processing, not the actual image),
         | especially around the edge of the circle.
        
           | noir_lord wrote:
           | I was as well - everytime I see one of these they also pause
           | too briefly at the change over from inhale/exhale and back.
           | 
           | It's disconcerting because its not how I naturally breathe.
        
             | lloeki wrote:
             | maybe this one works better?
             | 
             | https://lassebomh.github.io/box-breathing/
        
           | jonhohle wrote:
           | Yes! In my periphery it looked like a polygon but when I
           | focused on the edges it seemed like a properly antialiased
           | circle.
        
             | glfharris wrote:
             | Interesting, I saw the same!
        
             | sen wrote:
             | Yeah I saw the same. A rounded-corner polygon.
        
           | msluyter wrote:
           | Indeed. I kept wondering if the circle was actually getting
           | lighter as it got smaller or if that was just how I was
           | perceiving it due to the afterimage and whatnot.
        
             | david422 wrote:
             | It does change color ... right?
        
               | 93po wrote:
               | This is a very HN exchange
               | 
               | task: stare at circle
               | 
               | HN, staring at the circle: they could use CSS for this
               | instead of JS
        
         | stevage wrote:
         | I use the browser extension Dark Reader and I found it a
         | soothing low contrast.
        
           | wruza wrote:
           | I believe everyone who wants dark mode actually wants Dark
           | Reader instead. Also, half of the "dark mode"-enabled sites
           | are more toxic to my eyes than their bright versions. Dark
           | Reader allows to set the desired brightness, contrast,
           | grayscale, etc.
           | 
           | It's one of extensions that makes you instantly regret you
           | didn't install it earlier.
        
       | catchnear4321 wrote:
       | as a side project - neat
       | 
       | as a focus tool or means of understanding the self - anyone that
       | hasn't tried to just sit or lay quietly, for the sake of doing
       | so, ought to. it isn't hard, it isn't easy, it just isn't
       | something modern society really seems to encourage, let alone
       | understand. you might find you feel different once you are done
       | than from when you began. that might be a good thing.
        
       | TheAceOfHearts wrote:
       | My mind: initial resistance, I don't really wanna do it. Whatever
       | I started it. Okay, focus on the circle. Wow this feels like it's
       | taking a while. Oh I wonder how other people would react to being
       | presented this. Some people would probably expect it to be some
       | sort of scare jump prank. Back to focusing on the circle. What
       | was the page called again? _eyes go to URL bar_ Oh right, one
       | minute focus. This is distracting I 'll just start counting. 1,
       | 2, [...], 42. Oh it finished.
        
         | manmal wrote:
         | Meditation in a nutshell.
        
           | Zelphyr wrote:
           | Agreed. The powerful part is, "Back to focusing on the
           | circle."
        
             | namaria wrote:
             | And it's a bit like weight lifting. I started with just the
             | bar. In several weeks I was lifting my body weight. You
             | start with just one minute. Pretty soon it's effortless to
             | calm your mind for several whenever you want.
        
               | bluecheese452 wrote:
               | That is an extraordinary rate of progression!
        
           | jalk wrote:
           | Except I rarely think of goatsee when meditating
        
         | once_inc wrote:
         | There's a countdown in light grey at the bottom.
        
         | bzmrgonz wrote:
         | From Huberman's notes, I think we are suppose to match the
         | expansion of the dot with an inhaling motion. The mechanics,
         | iirc, is to increase oxygen to the brain by deliberate long
         | inhales.
        
           | lukas099 wrote:
           | I hate timed controlled breathing exercises like that. The
           | circle doesn't know the current oxygen needs of my body.
        
             | airstrike wrote:
             | IMHO the whole point is your body also doesn't really know
             | how fast it needs to breathe. Often when we're stressed
             | we're taking fast, shallow breaths even if there's no real
             | lion in the vicinity. By telling your body to breathe at X
             | speed, you break the stress cycle
             | 
             | YMMV
        
               | lukas099 wrote:
               | My mileage does indeed vary. I always feel either oxygen-
               | deprived or high on hyperventilation after.
               | 
               | Telling myself to breathe _slower_ is fine. Just not at
               | some predefined interval (or worse, whatever interval the
               | yoga instructor feels like I should be breathing at)
        
             | gglitch wrote:
             | Thank you. Yes. I do too. I had asthma pretty bad as a
             | child, and rate-limiting my air intake, or really in any
             | way trying to ensure that my breathing is meeting some
             | spec, is super stressful for me.
        
         | compumike wrote:
         | The stream-of-thought reminded me of this depiction of
         | meditation: https://www.sippan.se/_images/meditation.jpg :)
        
         | Hnrobert42 wrote:
         | Perfect! Your experience is the exact experience hoped for.
         | 
         | Many people give up on learning to meditation because they
         | cannot clear their mind for X minutes straight. Their mind runs
         | away, and they must bring it back to focus. They see this as
         | failure.
         | 
         | Yet, this is exactly what is expected. How else to learn the
         | invaluable skill of refocusing after distraction. If staring at
         | a circle was so stimulating you never got distracted, then you
         | would have no chance to build your focus muscles.
         | 
         | Note: this comment is mostly about the first steps into
         | meditation. I learned this idea from Shinzo Young.
        
           | JohnFen wrote:
           | > Many people give up on learning to meditation because they
           | cannot clear their mind for X minutes straight. Their mind
           | runs away, and they must bring it back to focus. They see
           | this as failure.
           | 
           | Yes, this is a real block for lots of people. When I was
           | teaching my children to meditate, I tried to head this off a
           | bit by telling them "you'll probably find that your headvoice
           | will keep chattering away at first. Let it. Don't really
           | fight it. Just acknowledge without judgment, clear your mind
           | again, and keep meditating. Your mind will grow quieter on
           | its own as you practice more."
        
             | nonrandomstring wrote:
             | I'll share my ship trick.
             | 
             | This is for those of you that live by the bay. Needs a
             | clear day but no Otis Redding song necessary.
             | 
             | Where I live it takes about a 20-30 mins for a ship that
             | left the harbour to disappear over the horizon. As it
             | leaves I can see all the details, the name of the ship, the
             | containers or people. Lots to think about and observe. I
             | don't take my eyes off it. Gradually it turns into a
             | smaller and smaller square, and eventually a dot. All that
             | it is, all the people and cargo and funnels become an ever
             | smaller world. Somehow that grabs and keeps my focus.
             | 
             | Actually started to do it as an exercise for vision from
             | too much screen time. Apparently it helps to focus on a
             | distant object and I think... maybe... hmm... maybe it
             | helps. But anyway, after a half hour of watching a dot
             | vanish over the horizon, it leaves you with a _good_
             | feeling. Like I used to get from astronomy before moving to
             | the city. YMMV.
        
             | kccqzy wrote:
             | If I let my head voice chatter away, I never get the
             | opportunity to clear my mind. The entire meditation session
             | would simply become a sort of internal monologue, jumping
             | from idea to idea.
        
               | JohnFen wrote:
               | What I meant by that is more "don't fight it", as in
               | "don't let it dismay you, bring you stress, and don't
               | judge the fact that it happens." That it happens is not a
               | failure at all. It's normal. Just acknowledge and
               | recenter.
               | 
               | When people first start meditating, they often find it
               | very difficult to get a "quiet moment" and think that's a
               | sign that they're doing something wrong or something
               | isn't working. Neither of those things are true, and
               | while you might get just a few seconds of "quiet" at
               | first, as you practice more, that time will expand.
               | 
               | The basic point is that it's part of the normal
               | progression (of anything, really). When you're doing
               | anything new, you're going to suck at it at first and
               | improve as you keep doing it. It's counterproductive to
               | feel bad about the stage where you aren't good at it, and
               | giving those judgemental feelings power can cause an
               | unwarranted discouraging force.
        
           | bayindirh wrote:
           | > Many people give up on learning to meditation because they
           | cannot clear their mind for X minutes straight. Their mind
           | runs away, and they must bring it back to focus. They see
           | this as failure.
           | 
           | This is what we say to our students. It'll run away. Just
           | bring it back. It's OK.
           | 
           | The tool is great, BTW. Congrats. My only small gripe is the
           | pulsation is too fast (for me). My relaxed breathe is 5
           | seconds inhale, 5 seconds exhale.
        
             | theonething wrote:
             | > pulsation is too fast (for me)
             | 
             | Was it my imagination or did the rate change? It seemed to
             | slow down a bit at the end.
             | 
             | If it doesn't, that might be a good feature; a progressive
             | slowdown and perhaps a config to change overall rate.
        
               | bayindirh wrote:
               | Yes, the rate slows down, but I start with 5/5 directly.
               | I think it's a result of meditating for a long time.
        
               | jimmydddd wrote:
               | Are we supposed to syncing breathing with the pulsing? Or
               | are we just assuming that based on similar apps for
               | breathing?
        
               | bayindirh wrote:
               | I think the pulsation is there to help regulate the
               | breathing. Many people take fast and shallow breaths,
               | esp. when they are stressed out.
               | 
               | Because evening out the speed and taking deeper breaths
               | help calming down with a couple of mechanisms.
        
               | datameta wrote:
               | It seems to me it starts off a bit too fast. But I like
               | the rate at which it slows.
        
           | MisterBastahrd wrote:
           | Some people give up because their brains simply don't work
           | that way.
           | 
           | I decided to start going to a therapist for some issues I've
           | encountered over the years. He took my background information
           | and immediately dove into an entire diatribe about
           | meditation. Without addressing a single thing I actually
           | said. The thing is, I've attempted meditation over the years.
           | Not only had I already read all of his recommended source
           | material AND watched the videos he recommended, but I knew
           | other sources that I rattled off to him as well, including
           | entire books on controlled breathing. I spent 2 years with it
           | and never got anywhere.
           | 
           | It does not work for me and I'm not putting myself through it
           | again. I've got three or four separate trains of thought
           | going on at all times. It's impossible to put a cork in all
           | of them, it isn't helpful, and it's about as useful as prayer
           | is to an atheist.
           | 
           | Asking someone who has been abused as a child to instead
           | stare into the abyss is a cop-out. Meditation as a solution
           | to depression and anxiety doesn't bring me calm. It makes me
           | angry.
        
             | oldandboring wrote:
             | Yes, this. There's almost an inverse "no true Scotsman"
             | element to the way mindfulness and meditation are taught
             | and spoken about. No such thing as failure, no such thing
             | as doing it correctly, doing it at all is better than not
             | doing it. All based on the unproven premise that it's a
             | positive thing for everyone and/or that everyone will be
             | able to get stronger at it with practice. Seemingly no
             | consideration to divergent neurotypes, psychological
             | trauma, physical limitations, or deep cultural differences.
             | 
             | It reminds me of: years ago I came across a book profiling
             | the journey of a young western Jewish man seeking a path in
             | Zen Buddhism, studying under gurus with other seekers in
             | monasteries. As he progressed through his meditative
             | practice he couldn't avoid feeling unsettled by the sense
             | that none of it was "working" for him no matter how deeply
             | he understood and how much he practiced. The gurus all just
             | kept trying to help him improve his practice. Until he came
             | to the most enlightened and compassionate guru who
             | basically let him off the hook, saying, in essence, that
             | this stuff will never stick to him and that he's just meant
             | to practice Judaism.
        
               | MyNameIs_Hacker wrote:
               | For those who think this is a cop out; it is known that
               | for most people the ability to learn new languages
               | changes around puberty. The ability to learn, recognize
               | and pronounce phonemes changes when kids are very young.
               | Babies brains are flexible and can be shaped in many
               | ways. Adults, not so much.
               | 
               | It is not impossible for all to learn this type of
               | 'skill'. It is more difficult for many, and impossible
               | for some.
        
               | robocat wrote:
               | My personal belief is that we retain the ability to learn
               | new languages. The issue is that modern schooling has
               | trained us to try and learn in counter-productive ways.
               | 
               | I believe we can learn languages by (1) concentrating on
               | mimicking and (2) learning by speaking with others and
               | being continuously _corrected_ by others.
               | 
               | The problem is that is requires a tremendous amount of
               | work for learner and teacher.
               | 
               | Think how a baby or child learns and do as much of that
               | as possible.
               | 
               | Initially absolutely avoid all reading, and totally avoid
               | learning any rules.
               | 
               | Improve your general ability of mimicking skills e.g. by
               | copying singers and songs, by copying famous people in
               | the foreign language, mimicking accents or people in your
               | own mother tongue.
               | 
               | People with English as their mother tongue have some
               | advantages - we actually recognise a huge variety of
               | vowel sounds because various English accents contain them
               | - we also have familiarity with a variety of grammatical
               | constructs. We also know pronunciation and writing are
               | completely disjoint: anyone coming from a language where
               | you say what you read has a big disadvantage.
               | 
               | Much of my belief comes from talking with people that
               | have English as their second language, and looking for
               | their successes and failures. Some people learn English
               | well and it's interesting to look for why them? Some
               | mistakes are common to particular groups and it's
               | interesting to look for the root cause.
               | 
               | I have applied some of the above to teach myself
               | conversational Spanish. To test my beliefs I'm definitely
               | keen to move onto something more difficult ( I'm middle
               | aged): the block is that I will need to dedicate many
               | months of effort living in another country.
        
             | anonymous344 wrote:
             | actually, meditation can bring the buried emotions to
             | surface. perhaps you have buried your anger and it tries to
             | surface. maybe do Osho's dynamic meditation. Not alone, it
             | needs a group. I did all kinds of stuff and read books,
             | years and years. And after I invested to group sessions it
             | got 100% more efficient
        
             | infp_arborist wrote:
             | I really appreciate George Haas as a meditation teacher. He
             | specializes in those of us who are "f*cked up the most"
             | (i.e. attachment disturbances)
        
           | jdelman wrote:
           | Who is Shinzo Young? I just did a Google search for that name
           | and this comment was the first thing to show up.
        
             | thx4allthefish wrote:
             | I believe it is Shinzen Young
        
           | bordercases wrote:
           | Breathing slowly is a way to short circuit the mind.
        
         | RHSman2 wrote:
         | Basically how I felt in my ADHD assessments. 'You won't get me.
         | I know what you are testing for. Hold the line. Hold. Oh,
         | that's why a sort is an expensive database function! Ooops'
        
         | rwoerz wrote:
         | My mind: (1) Open that page for about 3 seconds, (2) go back to
         | HN, (3) skim through the comments, (4) realizing the irony, (5)
         | commenting on that
        
           | altairTF wrote:
           | Damn, i did the exact same...
        
         | jimmydddd wrote:
         | Ha. I was bracing for a jump scare also.
        
         | nerdponx wrote:
         | One of the biggest obstacles to any kind of mind-body practice
         | is the sense that you NEED TO DO SOMETHING ELSE RIGHT NOW. It's
         | a mental habit a lot of us build up over a life full of being
         | busy with various tasks and concerns.
         | 
         | The way I get through it is to remind myself that the only
         | reason to avoid doing anything is fear of death, and I know for
         | sure that sitting here for 1 minute will not kill me, therefore
         | I have no reason not to force myself to just do it.
        
           | 93po wrote:
           | I save comments from time to time that seem sort of obvious
           | but still resonate with me, and this is one such comment.
           | Thanks! :)
        
       | jeffgreco wrote:
       | I was a young internet user at the turn of the century so kept
       | waiting for a jump scare -_-
        
         | DLion wrote:
         | Ahaha same, I thought about it for a few seconds
        
         | gigglesupstairs wrote:
         | The first time I encountered such a jump scare was someone
         | presenting their animation done in Macromedia Director. Not
         | kidding, it was really traumatic in nature at the time. And I
         | just didn't get the fun others supposedly felt for this kind of
         | "fun".
        
         | globular-toast wrote:
         | Indeed, my PTSD prevents me from doing this without inspecting
         | the source code.
        
         | throw310822 wrote:
         | The first time I used a meditation app I could not stop
         | laughing hysterically at the thought that the guy soothingly
         | giving directions from the app might suddenly go BAAAAUAAARGH!
         | just for the fun of it.
        
           | amflare wrote:
           | I can never trust a meditation app for exactly this reason. I
           | know there are too many trolls out there. This also reminds
           | me of this skit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLZJxjCOplc
        
         | y-curious wrote:
         | YEP! Came to the comments to see if I am just paranoid.
        
       | SketchySeaBeast wrote:
       | It would be great if you had a link or source for the claims on
       | the page before you start.
        
         | dinkleberg wrote:
         | Instead of spending a minute reading their sources, you could
         | just try it out and see if it works for you.
        
           | SketchySeaBeast wrote:
           | I'm going to be honest to you, I'm not going to use this, but
           | I am interested in if/how/why it works. That might be able to
           | convince me, but I don't want to dick around with the placebo
           | effect.
        
       | boringg wrote:
       | Made it to 45 seconds before looking at the clock - though i had
       | the mouse over the circle so it was greyed and in the middle I
       | needed to move it around because it was distracting.
       | 
       | Cool site though. How long does the "mental boost" last for? I.e.
       | 1 min of focus for x amount of boost?
        
         | junetic wrote:
         | Good question on how much boost. I'm not sure. Will try to dig
         | up the original studies
        
           | boringg wrote:
           | Not trying to make work - more just a curiosity. :)
        
       | kapep wrote:
       | The abrupt reset snapped me out of my thoughts which felt kind of
       | unpleasant to me. Unless it is an intentional part of the
       | experience, I would probably use a smoother end animation.
       | Something that gently prepares you to get back to work (even if
       | it just for a few seconds) instead of kicking you straight back
       | into the world with unfinished thoughts.
        
         | Ryder123 wrote:
         | Agreed. Maybe the circle can shrink to it's final size, and
         | then have the word 'restart' appear.
        
           | once_inc wrote:
           | Expanding it to full page would work.
        
         | junetic wrote:
         | thanks for the feedback! Yea not intentional. Just made it
         | smooth out at bit at the end
        
       | seventytwo wrote:
       | Huberman seems to be well-respected, but I just can't shake my
       | feeling that he's constantly trying to sell me stuff.
        
         | slingnow wrote:
         | Don't shake that feeling. He has a whole line of supplements
         | that he has endorsed, and you better believe there's money in
         | what he's doing.
        
           | joshmlewis wrote:
           | He talks about supplements sometimes but I don't ever feel
           | like he pushes them and usually says you can get them
           | wherever but I suggest here. I don't agree with everything he
           | says but it's clear he puts a ton of time and research into
           | the episodes he does and I don't blame him for trying to make
           | money. So many of his guest episodes contain invaluable
           | knowledge and that's a fine trade off for me.
        
       | kieckerjan wrote:
       | Nice work! Does the trick for me.
       | 
       | Tangentially, I would love to have something like this in which I
       | can "program" my own breathwork routines (reps and sets including
       | breath holds). Been trying various apps, but haven't yet found
       | one that ticks all my boxes. (Tips welcome.)
        
         | junetic wrote:
         | I would also like to know! Breathwork is important and it'd be
         | nice to follow some routines and also somehow track my breath
         | during sessions or throughout the day
        
       | ohyes wrote:
       | I kept thinking "all hail hypnotoad" and waiting for a jumpscare.
       | I did feel remarkably calmer towards the end.
        
       | bzmrgonz wrote:
       | I think the instructions need to be further clarified. We should
       | match the expansion of the dot with our inhales?
        
       | jaystraw wrote:
       | in say the late 90's, i remember getting an email with a link to
       | a webpage that explained, "your CRT can be used as a camera, and
       | if you stay in position in front of your screen we'll take a
       | picture of you and display it"
       | 
       | i'm maybe 12, and thinking of all sorts of things as i sat
       | proudly waiting for an image of me to come back.
       | 
       | after 15 odd seconds, i was shown a picture of a laughing
       | primate. who was neither me or human.
       | 
       | staring at this circle, i thought i was gonna get pranked again
        
         | mentos wrote:
         | I fell for this one when I was 10. Was a fun mix of terror and
         | amusement.
        
       | FergusArgyll wrote:
       | about 20 seconds in: Can I vape while focusing?
        
       | rpastuszak wrote:
       | Nice one! The first version of Sit. was just a dot to stare at:
       | https://sit.sonnet.io
       | 
       | (Felt like too much UI for me so I dropped it.)
        
         | joloooo wrote:
         | I enjoyed this version more. While less focus oriented it was
         | more calming than the high-contrast dot. thanks for sharing!
        
       | thinkingtoilet wrote:
       | A small piece of feedback. I started to breath naturally with the
       | pulse of the circle then found it to be a little too fast. I
       | think slowing the pulse down would be nice. And to add to what
       | others have said, I think the contrast of the colors could be
       | more pleasant. Thanks for sharing!
        
         | smallerfish wrote:
         | Right, agreed - it seems fast. What breathing frequency are you
         | aiming for, and is there any science to it?
         | 
         | Also, you could think about extending to box breathing.
        
         | addandsubtract wrote:
         | I think it needs a pause at the end of each animation cycle.
         | Like, I breathe in and then wait half a second before breathing
         | back out. Same for the other way around.
        
         | barbazoo wrote:
         | Yes, what I felt too. Is there a secret query param by chance
         | to control the baseline speed?
        
         | bewuethr wrote:
         | I thought the same, and then thought it's maybe slowing down?
         | And if it isn't, it would be nice.
        
         | y-c-o-m-b wrote:
         | Same here and it actually started triggering a little bit of
         | anxiety in doing so (I take short breaths or hold my breath
         | when anxious). Maybe it should utilize the 4-7-8 pattern.
        
       | HumblyTossed wrote:
       | Started it, then almost immediately got a text from daycare and
       | clicked away. I guess I'll try again later.
        
       | cchance wrote:
       | Firstly... my ADHD did not allow me to complete this.
       | 
       | Secondly... My distrust of the internet did not let me complete
       | this as it told me a jump scare was guaranteed to happen
       | eventually.
        
         | metadat wrote:
         | Life's tough when you voluntarily place yourself in the role of
         | the victim and give away all your power.
         | 
         | That phrasing, "wouldn't let me complete this", is a self-
         | defeating way to talk to yourself.
         | 
         | Switching it up a bit can make a significant difference, for
         | example: "That first try was a struggle, it might take some
         | practice for me to improve".
         | 
         | --
         | 
         | In case you or other HN friends are curious and find this
         | technique intriguing, it stems from the philosophy suggesting
         | healthy thinking can reduce distress and promote well-being.
         | The field of study is called Cognitive (or Dialectical)
         | Behavioral Therapy, aka CBT / DBT. Millions of people have
         | found it an effective framework and strategy to permanently
         | improve the way we speak to ourselves and relate to the world.
         | 
         | Here's the book I liked most (but there is an ocean of them):
         | 
         |  _DBT Skills Training Manual by Marsha Linehan_
         | 
         | https://www.amazon.com/DBT%C2%AE-Skills-Training-Manual-Seco...
         | 
         | While you're alive, you might as well live your best life.
         | 
         | Sincerely, your buddy Metadat
         | 
         | p.s. sorry for the medium-length text wall, I didn't realize
         | this would take be more than a sentence, but after initially
         | posting only the first sentence, it was downvoted and it was
         | apparent some explanation would be more helpful.
        
           | geoelectric wrote:
           | Worth mentioning DBT is a subset of CBT, not a synonym.
           | 
           | https://www.skylandtrail.org/4-differences-between-cbt-
           | and-d...
           | 
           | DBT originally stems from therapies for Borderline
           | Personality Disorder. While it has applications beyond that
           | for things like anxiety and bipolar management, it may or may
           | not be the right answer for people who don't struggle with
           | negative impulses or behaviors.
           | 
           | I'd probably start with sources on more general CBT for
           | someone just needing a nudge or who is more depressive than
           | impulsive.
        
         | anonymousd3vil wrote:
         | I was expecting Rick Roll, really disappointed.
        
         | noisli wrote:
         | Would love to know your feedback on this
         | https://breathe.noisli.com - don't worry, no surprises :)
        
           | avtar wrote:
           | This isn't related to the linked page, but taking a quick
           | look at your noisli.com homepage, I'm fairly certain there
           | are some low hanging accessibility issues you could address.
           | Off the top of my head:
           | 
           | - Your text on that background colour does not provide enough
           | contrast, my guess is that it won't pass WCAG AA requirements
           | 
           | - Keyboard navigation using Tab causes focus to jump down the
           | page's content, skipping its navigation and CTA links
           | 
           | You can use extensions such as "axe DevTools" and
           | "Accessibility Insights for Web" to run some quick automated
           | tests to uncover more issues.
        
         | hirvi74 wrote:
         | Our ADHD might actually be an advantage for meditation. Just
         | not in the pop-culture mediation format that is commonly used
         | here.
         | 
         | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvuVhCIQgfQ
        
       | boplicity wrote:
       | This is a bit like one of my personal focus hacks. When I'm
       | struggling, especially in the morning, I'll often set a five
       | minute timer, and tell myself: "surely you can focus on something
       | for five minutes." This is usually enough to get me over the
       | hump, and in the mood to actually get stuff done.
       | 
       | I do think there's something that happens after a short period of
       | intentional focus, where you cross a "barrier" into a state of
       | mind that is more conducive to long-term focus. But there's
       | definitely sometimes real resistance to crossing that barrier.
        
         | globular-toast wrote:
         | This sounds similar to the "pomodoro method".
        
           | ApolloFortyNine wrote:
           | The problem with pomodoro is eventually you learn that its a
           | trick just to get you started, so your brain eventually goes
           | back to just wanted to never start again.
           | 
           | That's how it feels for me anyways though.
        
             | boplicity wrote:
             | No technique works without enough genuine desire and
             | motivation to accomplish whatever it is you're aiming to
             | accomplish. (And the belief that you actually have a chance
             | of accomplishing it.) If things like Pomodoro or similar
             | aren't working, then the next step is to figure out if you
             | believe in the path you're on, and are motivated enough to
             | continue on it.
        
               | growingkittens wrote:
               | *And a working executive function system in your brain.
               | No amount of genuine desire and motivation can fix that
               | issue.
        
       | mywacaday wrote:
       | Nearly impossible to see the circle in dark mode on mobile. Neat
       | idea though
        
       | Souk wrote:
       | A friend of mine was asked to do "coherence cardiaque" breathing
       | exercises so I made them something similar [1]. The circle will
       | slowly change hue, before cycling back to blue after about 5
       | minutes (They were supposed to do this exercise for 5 minutes and
       | I thought having a timer wouldn't be relaxing)
       | 
       | [1] https://souf.dev/cc
        
       | syngrog66 wrote:
       | I admire fact you created it. And focus is good. But honestly
       | theres no need for this to be software or be on the Internet.
       | I've been able to stare at things for over 40 years now, both out
       | in the real world around me. As well as at imagined things inside
       | my mind's eye. I can stare at things today. Right now, even! And
       | for as long or short as I want, tailored to my unique needs. And
       | with max privacy. No power or connectivity needed.
       | 
       | I think increasingly that major portions of humanity are.. well,
       | insane, to be frank. Perhaps its me thats the crazy one? ;-)
        
         | schaefer wrote:
         | Another way to look at it is:
         | 
         | The software does have a purpose. Launching the software
         | requires two specific acts of intention. First to open the
         | software, and second to affirm our intention and click the
         | start button.
         | 
         | Then the intention is realized by sticking with the exercise
         | for the duration of the timer.
         | 
         | Since the very purpose of the software is to change the way an
         | individual is currently relating to their own mindset, these
         | can all be quite useful tools towards that end.
         | 
         | --
         | 
         | Obviously, not Everone's cup of tea. Perhaps specifically not
         | yours. but then you said "there's no need for this software"
         | and not "I don't need this software". A personal preference
         | doesn't imply a universal truth.
        
       | gpmcadam wrote:
       | I waited around 30 seconds for this page to load before I gave
       | up.
       | 
       | I can't say it improved my focus but I did appreciate the 30s of
       | calm. Good work!
        
       | gniv wrote:
       | Now that I've been acquired by a cat, I've learned to sit quietly
       | for longer periods. She has endless patience if she's not
       | disturbed.
        
         | michaelteter wrote:
         | Yes. What is going on in their minds?
         | 
         | My cat would sometimes sit close and directly facing the wall,
         | eyes open, for many minutes at a time.
        
           | stanac wrote:
           | Maybe your cat was angry with you and that was the way to
           | tell you "I don't want to talk to you"
        
       | m3kw9 wrote:
       | The problem of focus is a problem of motivation, you could band
       | aid it by doing this but if you can't solve why you are not drawn
       | to the task you will always have this issue.
       | 
       | Can you focus hours playing a good game? Yes? Then why is this
       | game innately making you focus and your task isn't? Maybe it can
       | be looked at differently? Can it be fixed?
        
         | captainbland wrote:
         | I often think this to myself. Why is it when I start on
         | something "new and shiny" I get this burst of enthusiasm and
         | motivation, but when it loses its novelty it becomes hard work?
         | 
         | I keep trying to think if there is some way I can trick my
         | brain into thinking things are always interesting and novel so
         | that I can reliably get into a flow state and feel happier
         | about what I'm doing.
        
       | m3kw9 wrote:
       | Maybe make the circle complete as time expire could make people
       | stop wondering when it will be done.
        
       | karmajunkie wrote:
       | This is basically the "Breathe" meditation helper from the
       | mindfulness app on the apple watch (not sure if Android/WearOS
       | has something similar...) Useful if you don't have one but the
       | watch version is a bit handier for my use.
        
       | moltenc wrote:
       | The year is 2024 and a website requires running untrusted scripts
       | on your computer to display one dot on the screen.
        
       | gentleman11 wrote:
       | > ...has been proven to...
       | 
       | I came here looking for the paper or research that proves this.
       | Do you have a source?
        
       | jumperabg wrote:
       | I am not sure if I was focusing or I waited for something else to
       | happen, for example a zombie to pop up screaming.
        
       | jmbwell wrote:
       | I like it! Have you considered adding a little easing to the
       | animation so that the changes are more gradual?
        
       | lenerdenator wrote:
       | My ADHD (in Darth Vader voice): "Your powers are weak, old man."
        
       | jacobsenscott wrote:
       | I couldn't not look at the timer. I lasted 10 seconds.
        
       | swah wrote:
       | Related term is trataka (see
       | https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...)
        
       | autoexec wrote:
       | The button doesn't work without JS enabled, but just staring at
       | the "start" button for 1 minute would probably work just as well
       | right?
        
       | rbosinger wrote:
       | Maybe be able to control the breathing speed (the circle
       | animation speed) would be handy. Unless this is supposed to be
       | scientifically the speed I should be breathing for optimal health
       | or something. My body wanted to go a little slower than the
       | circle moved and I found myself speeding up to keep time. Or is
       | that the point?
        
       | blobbers wrote:
       | Huberman's opinion on cognitive focus; possibly an opinion he has
       | some authority on!!
       | 
       | (As opposed to all the other opinions he seems to love to opine)
        
         | j4hdufd8 wrote:
         | why he only has authority on cognitive focus?
        
       | theonething wrote:
       | Tried it and love it. Super simple. Does what it says on the tin
       | and nothing else. Thanks for making it!
        
       | abhinai wrote:
       | Did it really help?
        
       | VladimirGolovin wrote:
       | Very timely and helpful, thank you!
       | 
       | A suggestion: the pulse animation would look much better with
       | ease-in / ease-out animation curves instead of the harsh linear
       | curve it's currently using. EaseInOutSine from this cheat sheet
       | would do fine: https://easings.net/
        
         | myfonj wrote:
         | If you'd like to try those easings straight away, you can use
         | this bare-bones rip-off in interactive sandbox [0]. Still
         | basic: animation is symmetrical, so easing "in" has the same
         | easing as "out", just reversed.
         | 
         | Under 2 kB total. HTML, mostly CSS and literally two lines of
         | JS only for restarting the animation.
         | 
         | [0]
         | https://myfonj.github.io/sandbox.html#%3C!doctype%20html%3E%...
        
       | tootie wrote:
       | Trigger warning: I have narcolepsy and the dot induced a
       | cataplexy
        
       | lagt_t wrote:
       | Huberman passes studies conclusions as settled science.
        
         | h-c-c wrote:
         | Isn't that what science is? Our understanding changes all the
         | time based on new experiments. "Settled science" isn't a thing
         | imho.
        
         | croemer wrote:
         | Huberman wildly oversells and overgeneralizes. Apparently
         | that's what listeners want.
        
       | layer8 wrote:
       | On an iPhone mini, the circle at maximum size extends a bit
       | beyond the left and right screen edges (slightly more on the left
       | it seems, so not exactly centered). In addition, the page is
       | scrollable vertically by about 10% (except that the "About"
       | doesn't scroll), despite there being no content that would
       | require scrolling.
        
         | pil0u wrote:
         | Back to focus on the dot that flattens on the edges.
        
       | karolist wrote:
       | does the pulsating dot contain randomised white noise or it's
       | solid and it is my vision?
        
       | dimask wrote:
       | Nice, I really like it. A quiet nice way to bring meditation
       | during my work time actually.
        
       | KerryJones wrote:
       | Feedback:
       | 
       | - This is great to link to breathing
       | 
       | - After reading multiple breathing books (Breath by James Nester,
       | Outlive by Peter Attia, Oxygen Advantage, etc.), there's a lot of
       | evidence to breath slower. Specifically, 5.5 seconds in, and 5.5
       | seconds out, make the dot match or be closer to matching that
       | rate could actually cause a lot of physical benefit by people
       | matching with it
       | 
       | - Alternative if you don't want that, make it a control setting
       | so someone (like myself) can do it.
        
       | giberson wrote:
       | I found the animation end point and start point to be rather
       | abrupt. Can you add/tweak the easing function so the stopping
       | isn't sudden? For me it produces a cognitive thunk that takes me
       | out of concentration on breathing.
       | 
       | Otherwise it seems it could be effective.
        
       | st3ve445678 wrote:
       | Am I supposed to match my breathing to the way the circle moves?
       | The instructions make no mention of it.
        
       | lynguist wrote:
       | It looks like the hackernewsverse really needed this.
       | 
       | What unexpected positivity in the comments! And when I read this
       | I feel somewhat more connected to you others. It's not just text
       | that was already plastered here. It is someone's written
       | thoughts.
        
       | dusted wrote:
       | That was amazingly disturbing.
       | 
       | I'm generally not disturbed by my noisy visual field, but this..
       | Giant halo around the breathing dot, as the contrast faded in and
       | out the roundness started to disintegrate and as it changed size
       | while fading to grey it started straight up breaking into
       | geometric patterns, like the geometry was chopped up around the
       | edges.
       | 
       | I have no problem looking into nothingness for a long time (I can
       | stare at ceilings until the lines disappear, or into the sky
       | until the clouds seem to meld away)..
       | 
       | Given how this was probably not intended to be a visual illusion,
       | it did a great job of it! :D
        
       | groby_b wrote:
       | Congrats on building this!
       | 
       | Initial feedback:
       | 
       | That circle is gargantuan, focusing on it takes no significant
       | mental bandwidth. Yes, that's the point of meditation, but if you
       | challenge people a bit, it makes it easier for them to stay
       | focused, especially for beginners. (Or maybe it's a mobile page
       | and I just shouldn't watch it on my desktop monitor?)
       | 
       | Like the pulse in general, but maybe a bit too fast. Absolutely
       | hate the coloring - black is having a mood impact, and washed out
       | grey is just meh. That's probably a personal reaction, but worth
       | keeping in mind if you want to build on it.
       | 
       | Having a clearer indication of time left might be helpful for
       | people beginning to meditate. (If I'd built it, I'd progressively
       | make the focus object vanish until it's gone at the end, but,
       | again, that might be personal preference.)
        
       | rsyring wrote:
       | There is a muted countdown at the very bottom center.
        
       | neves wrote:
       | When I have a hard time to focus, I use this feature in my Mi
       | Band. It is nice to have it always with ou
        
       | olegdater wrote:
       | would be cool if it used webcam and then would detect if you stop
       | looking at the circle, then reset the timer if detected
       | 
       | the aim would be to be focused for 1 min
        
       | anonymous344 wrote:
       | 1. how is it so fast? 2. dark mode?
        
       | hirvi74 wrote:
       | For all the ADHD people saying that we are unable to meditate,
       | just know that ADHD might be beneficial in some forms of
       | meditation.
       | 
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvuVhCIQgfQ
        
       | hwbunny wrote:
       | I usually watch my desktop background or other art. The more you
       | watch an art piece the more interesting nuances you tend to
       | discover. This could also ruin an at first perfect looking art
       | piece once you see discover some very disturbing details ;P.
        
       | cupcakecommons wrote:
       | It's not a jumpscare. Had to let it run to completion before
       | using it.
        
       | treprinum wrote:
       | I hoped for something from /r/unexpected or /r/AbruptChaos at the
       | end to verify that my focus really improved ;-)
        
       | zestyping wrote:
       | I could only make it for 30 seconds before I couldn't stand the
       | sharp corner in the animation curves any longer and opened the
       | Dev Tools to try to fix the easing! :)
        
       | hereforcomments wrote:
       | Awesome! I've added this to CJS Chrome extension and randomly
       | (2%) it will throw me to the site. So during the day I'll do some
       | breathwork to manage stress and get into focus.
        
       | analog31 wrote:
       | I fell asleep. Well, at least that's another cognitive
       | improvement.
        
       | rrr_oh_man wrote:
       | Went from start to finish, but it hasn't helped a bit. :(
        
       | MisterKent wrote:
       | I like the idea, and the simplicity of the site.
       | 
       | Two minor requests:
       | 
       | - Ability to hide the timer at the bottom completely (one less
       | distraction for my brain)
       | 
       | - Dark mode (or maybe selectable colors?) -- I think it could be
       | useful right before going to bed, clear my mind out etc.
       | 
       | Ideally, both could be saved to local storage so the settings
       | persist.
        
       | alphabet9000 wrote:
       | the maze game (screamer) permanently rewired my brain to avoid
       | anything like this on the internet forever. staring at the dot
       | for 2 seconds is already nerve wracking - will an exorcist face
       | suddenly pop up? is it worth the risk? never again
        
       | evanjrowley wrote:
       | You could make some $ if you presented an ad instead of a dot.
        
         | mirekrusin wrote:
         | Gamify it, pro paid version shows more and more distracting ads
         | on next levels. Buy bundle with adult ads etc.
        
       | holoduke wrote:
       | I started looking at it and forced myself to not look somewhere
       | else. Without directly looking I saw some vague thing below the
       | circle. Was it a timer? Was it some kind of "too bad you lose"
       | text. I did not watch.
        
         | dtgriscom wrote:
         | [delayed]
        
       | stevage wrote:
       | IMHO the breaths are too fast.
       | 
       | There is a type of breathing recommended for calming the body
       | which is something like 4 seconds in, hold 4 seconds, 4 seconds
       | out, wait 4 seconds, repeat.
        
       | wruza wrote:
       | Not that I had any subsequent tasks at hand, but thanks.
       | 
       | Few things I'd consider:
       | 
       | 1. Make it to not stop when the time's out. New users will wonder
       | if a minute passed and see 0:00, happy. Regular users will know
       | the trick and will learn to spend as much time as they need
       | around a minute, instead of feeling interrupted. Some will be
       | angry, they failed anyway.
       | 
       | 2. Make the "dot" smaller and blurry to avoid sharp halo.
       | 
       | 3. Fade-in unintrusive "vvv" under 0:00 to suggest scrolling down
       | for a random short advice/info. What was expected, how to deal
       | next time, and so on. Educational and praising component.
       | 
       | 4. Dark mode for those who can't browser extensions.
       | 
       | 5. Click on a circle is probably barely discoverable due to the
       | nature of the process. I'd push it down to #3.
        
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