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Cannabis use linked to anxiety diagnoses, worsened anxiety
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Author : cpncrunch
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Date : 2024-02-06 17:22 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| edgyquant wrote:
| Yeah this pretty obvious to anyone with an anxiety disorder who
| tries pot as a solution. It gets recommended by users, who think
| it's a cure because their anxiety is due to THc withdrawals. But
| if you aren't a user and try it it explodes your anxiety and is
| just the worst.
| LordDragonfang wrote:
| Can anecdotally confirm that I know lots of nonsmokers (or at
| least, those who don't regularly smoke) who find their anxiety
| spiked when they tried weed. Some of that is just because being
| in an altered state for the first time is fairly anxiety-
| inducing itself.
| morkalork wrote:
| I find that even with tons of experience, it's a matter of
| frequency and habituation. When I was smoking every day,
| there wasn't any anxiety but after a long break, the next
| time is like the very first time. Full of anxiety.
| marcellus23 wrote:
| Not sure why this is being downvoted, you're completely correct
| -- anxiety and paranoia are well-known effects of being high on
| weed (depending on the strain ofc), and anxiety and depression
| are well-known withdrawal symptoms. And it's much worse if
| you're already prone to anxiety and depression.
| huytersd wrote:
| I smoked a lot about a decade ago. Anecdotally, I can confirm
| this as well. I would feel great if I got high when life was
| stress free but it heightened my anxiety when I was already
| worried about something. It also generally made me anxious to
| be around other people.
| Fauntleroy wrote:
| I wouldn't say it's this simple--there are lots of different
| strains out there with wildly different effects due to the
| cannabinoids they contain. Furthermore, every person's own
| endocannabinoid system is different, and reacts differently to
| cannabinoids. For one person, a strain might make them feel
| relaxed and happy--for another, the same strain might make them
| simply fall asleep (or extremely anxious, for instance).
|
| There's also the very common issue of people new to cannabis
| using _far, far_ too much--which generally results in a feeling
| of intense anxiety. Anyone who hasn 't had any cannabis before
| should be extremely careful and use as little as possible.
|
| Finally, regular users who have developed a tolerance for
| certain cannabinoids may find it difficult to relax without
| them. Anyone regularly using a substance like cannabis should
| be on the lookout for this, and change their behavior
| accordingly.
| readthenotes1 wrote:
| It's not obvious to my sibling. They won't confess they have
| anxiety even though it's hard to have a conversation with them
| without heading towards the apocalypse--a change concurrent
| with treating so e physical disorder with edibles and
| smokables.
| netule wrote:
| That has also been my experience. I've had anxiety since I was
| a child and was diagnosed with generalized anxiety disorder.
| Back in 2014 or so, I was at my wits end and wanted to try
| medical marijuana since it was touted as a solution to my
| anxiety. I went to see a doctor, who doubled down on this being
| a good thing to try. So, I got my card, and went to a
| dispensary where I bought whatever they recommended for
| anxiety.
|
| Two hours later, I was having my biggest panic attack in years.
| If I didn't grow up having panic attacks all my life, I would
| probably have called 911 or got someone to drive me to the ER.
|
| If there's an easy fix for anxiety out there, I'd love to know
| about it. I've been fighting this for decades and it doesn't
| get better as I get older. What kind of helps in the meantime
| is therapy, slow exposure to stressors (being careful to
| prevent flooding), and mindfulness meditation. None of this
| fixes my anxiety, but it makes it a little bit more manageable.
| xanderlewis wrote:
| > I've been fighting this for decades and it doesn't get
| better as I get older.
|
| As someone younger than you quite possibly suffering with the
| same thing, that's saddening to hear. Is there anything you
| did that you wish you'd done sooner? Have you tried any
| (pharmaceutical) medication?
| thepasswordis wrote:
| See here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39278214
| netule wrote:
| I do take Clonazepam when I get severe panic attacks or
| right before something I know usually triggers a panic
| attack, but nothing on a day-to-day basis. Clonazepam does
| seem to help with my symptoms, though it just makes me feel
| euphoric (which, I guess, is better than feeling like I'm
| dying). I take a tiny dose, but it seems to help a lot.
|
| I have a few things I wish I'd done sooner if you'd indulge
| my ranty and highly personal list:
|
| * Moving out of the city and into the country. I know this
| one is not feasible for most people, but it helped me to
| get out of the hustle and bustle and back to an environment
| similar to where I grew up.
|
| * Reducing caffeine and increasing water intake. I limit
| myself to one cup of coffee in the morning and no caffeine
| afterward.
|
| * Quitting my high-stress job in favor of a job at a
| startup and taking more breaks.
|
| * Daily cardio exercise for at least 30 minutes.
|
| * Talking about how I'm feeling with my partner. It seems
| simple and silly, but this one is crucial for me. I tend to
| lock up when I'm feeling crappy and lash out. Overcoming
| that and talking about how I'm feeling has helped
| enormously.
|
| * Going to therapy.
|
| These are all helping me cope, so I still have panic
| attacks, but not as often as a decade or so ago.
| xanderlewis wrote:
| > if you'd indulge my ranty and highly personal list
|
| Not ranty at all; very helpful in fact!
|
| It's interesting you say cutting down on caffeine
| helped... I feel the opposite would be true for me. For
| some reason it seems to have a calming effect.
|
| Anyway... good luck to you. I hope it continues to
| gradually improve.
| thepasswordis wrote:
| Propanolol is a _fantastic_ anxiety treatment. In some ways
| better than xanax, at least for me.
|
| Highly, highly recommend trying it. They say it's for "stage
| fright", which can be offputting because "stage fright" (at
| least to me) seems almost wholly unrelated to the type of
| anxiety I suffer from.
|
| It's a miracle from my perspective. If you suffer from
| generalized anxiety, please ask your doctor about it.
|
| Just to really hammer this home: I had doctors recommend this
| drug to me for years, and I always more or less ignored them.
| I have taken xanax for quite some time, and took this
| recommendation as them being apprehensive about prescribing
| it (which i understand, since many people abuse it).
|
| Propanolol seems to have the same type of calming effect, but
| with none of tired/disassociative feelings that xanax gives
| (which I don't like). The first time I took it I almost
| wanted to cry. It really was just like a switch that turned
| the anxiety off. It does take about 60-90 minutes to fully
| kick in, though.
| netule wrote:
| Thanks for the suggestion; I appreciate it. Is this
| something you take daily or as you need it?
| thepasswordis wrote:
| As needed, but it's fine to take daily with no negative
| downsides.
|
| I'll take it before I need to go do something which might
| have triggered an attack, but the long term benefit here
| is that doing those activities without getting triggered
| lessens the sensitivity to the trigger (if that make
| sense).
|
| So lately I haven't taken any in weeks, but when I was
| first prescribed it I took it every day.
| throw3450 wrote:
| I feel that propanolol helps with physical effects of
| anxiety (which are not much of a problem for me), but
| doesn't affect the mental side of anxiety the same way
| benzos do. It's much less addictive than benzos of course,
| and preferable for that reason if it works.
| thepasswordis wrote:
| I _only_ get the physical effects, which is why it works
| so well for me.
| McPhale wrote:
| I'm a hobbyist musician with IBS-D, which is often
| triggered by general anxiety. I've been asked to play with
| the pros several times, and every time I have to say 'no'
| several hours beforehand b/c I'm chained to the toilet. Do
| you think that propranolol would negate those issues? I
| have also tried CBT with a therapist and it was only
| marginally helpful
| throwaway11460 wrote:
| It's very likely that you had way too much THC. Especially if
| you vaped or ingested it.
|
| When I first started smoking, 0.01g (yes, one hundredth of a
| gram - a barely visible layer on top of some tobacco) was
| enough to get a whole room of students _incredibly high_ for
| a few hours. I used to buy 0.2g and that lasted 5 people the
| entire weekend.
|
| And that was before all of this lamp-grown craziness with 10%
| and more THC content. If you used more than 0.1g of these
| medical dispensary strains, it's really no wonder you had a
| crazy panic attack. I'd have too and I'm an experienced
| smoker.
|
| I know some people using weed to treat anxiety. They smoke so
| little they don't feel high at all. One gram might last them
| a month.
| oblib wrote:
| I have 2nd this. I've been using weed for a very long time
| and have seen so many people try to take a lung full of
| smoke as opposed to a small sip.
|
| I don't do "vapes". That stuff is so highly concentrated
| that it makes me cough with even a tiny sip. Same with
| "gummies". I can't really know how the dose will affect me
| and I don't want to get "stoned".
|
| I do think that if you're wanting weed to help with anxiety
| you should probably look into CBD too. That probably works
| better for anxiety.
| DANmode wrote:
| For the curious reader: that clownshow is at _~30%_ THC
| these days.
| bowsamic wrote:
| Anxiety is likely to get worse as you age, unfortunately. If
| you have it when you're young, the prognosis isn't good.
| waingake wrote:
| I'm way less anxious as an adult than I was as a kid.
| Likely due to various coping strategies that I've ingrained
| over the years.
| vitehozonage wrote:
| I have diagnosed GAD as well. And the first time I smoked
| marijuana I had an intensely anxious experience. However, i
| find that small doses of edibles are like magic. I am
| sensitive to it but the dose makes the poison.
| supertofu wrote:
| Apart from mindfulness practices (which do help, but slowly),
| I've found the following to be life-changing regarding my
| lifelong, debilitating social anxiety:
|
| - psychedelic therapy (1-4 times a year, over 6 years, turned
| me into a functional person in social contexts)
|
| - strong chammomile flower tea (depresses my nervous system
| to a normal baseline -- this has been the most dramatic way
| to ease physiological symptoms of anxiety for me)
| j4yav wrote:
| It's interesting how on HN whenever a topic related to cannabis
| comes up so many people jump in to say they have anxiety, and
| that weed makes it worse, and that it must be the same for
| everyone. Does HN have a higher than normal percentage of
| highly anxious people? Or is it just the threads attract the
| kind of people who are likely to be anxious and jumpy around
| the topic? It's a really interesting phenomenon. In real life,
| people may like it or not, may still use it or not, but the
| discussion seems way more casual and nowhere near as singularly
| anxiety fixated as when the topic comes up here.
|
| I'm not judging, I've been treated for anxiety myself. Just
| quite curious about how different the conversations are.
| thepasswordis wrote:
| A thread about anxiety does seem like it would attract people
| with anxiety who want to talk about anxiety.
| j4yav wrote:
| Sure, but the phenomenon exists across all the threads
| about cannabis.
| Taylor_OD wrote:
| I think it's a recently developed pushback to the
| widespread love cannabis has received online for a long
| time. For a long time, it has been either heralded as a
| gateway drug or a magical cure all that could do no
| wrong.
|
| Now that it is much more widely available and many more
| people have actually tried it for extended periods of
| time, the narrative has shifted.
| refulgentis wrote:
| If youre willing to accommodate a highly opinionated take
| from experience:
|
| Intelligence itself seems to correlate with anxiety, i.e.
| being able to construct and focus on abstractions, as opposed
| to your immediate environment, on demand increases likelihood
| of fixation on abstractions.
|
| Combine that with a lack of forced grounding in computer-
| based professions, i.e. little human interaction, and you're
| a heck of a lot more likely to be in your own head, then add
| weed on top and you're even more likely.
| j4yav wrote:
| Makes sense! That would align pretty well with my personal
| experience too.
| paulmd wrote:
| there's also the possibility there is some correlation
| between autism spectrum and weed anxiety, and that HN
| naturally attracts nerds who tend to be (mildly) on the
| spectrum.
|
| there's no particularly major evidence that it's highly
| correlated but I've heard anecdotal theories along the line
| before.
| waingake wrote:
| Interesting, do you have a reference for the autism to weed
| anxiety link?
| theshackleford wrote:
| > In real life, people may like it or not, may still use it
| or not, but the discussion seems way more casual and nowhere
| near as singularly anxiety fixated as when the topic comes up
| here.
|
| It's been common in my circles as we have aged. In our now
| mid 30s most have ceased its usage other for that reason
| other than myself who took it up following a spinal cord
| injury. For what it's worth, it did seem to give me anxiety
| at first but time (and mixing with a cbd strain) seems to
| have solved that.
|
| _edit_
|
| We do all work in IT for the most part so...maybe that is
| something.
| mikhmha wrote:
| I began to notice this phenomenon on internet
| discussions/forums tied to mental health, physical health,
| and drugs (illiegal and legal). The discussions themselves
| attract anxious people who are using the internet to validate
| and reassure themselves. And I know I used to be the same
| before I found my own effective treatment for anxiety.
| calfuris wrote:
| I wouldn't read too much into this story, as any people who do
| benefit from THC probably wouldn't be visiting an emergency
| department for cannabis-related reasons. I'll also say, as
| someone with an anxiety disorder, that it certainly didn't make
| it worse. For me, it worked pretty much like Xanax: did wonders
| for my anxiety, but I couldn't manage to get anything done, so
| I had to switch back to my usual not-completely-effective meds.
| maxbond wrote:
| It's definitely more than just conflating "treating" THC
| withdrawal with treating anxiety, at least for me personally.
| I'll quit for months, have an anxiety attack, and I'm able to
| interrupt it by using cannabis. It doesn't per say treat my
| anxiety but can be like a "rescue inhaler" to disrupt
| repetitive anxious thoughts and snap me out of an anxiety
| attack. Once they're disrupted, I have a fighting chance to
| confront my anxiety with other strategies (which are the real
| long term solutions).
|
| But it does make perfect sense to me that the effects of
| cannabis on someone who has been a longtime user are quite
| different and that it isn't great generic advice to tell people
| to try cannabis for their anxiety. I definitely think this
| current vogue of trying to apply cannabis to every problem is
| misguided and an artefact of the commercial environment around
| cannabis being increasingly legal, not our medical
| understanding of it.
| DANmode wrote:
| I'm comfortable recommending broad-spectrum CBD with little
| or no THC as an anxiety aid.
|
| Not all cannabis has THC, high THC (the anxiety-inducing
| part, for most).
|
| Nor should it!
| maxbond wrote:
| I'm aware, but I personally wouldn't recommend any mind
| altering substance to anyone without a lot of context. When
| I was a young troublemaker my friends and I fancied
| ourselves as knowledgeable and made very casual
| recommendations to people about what substances they should
| try and what dosages would be appropriate. It became
| apparent to me that a dosage that has no discernable effect
| on one person can put another under the table, and I became
| very, very conservative about such things.
|
| Eg, I've seen people smoke large amounts of weed and
| concentrates and then go off and do something productive,
| and I've seen people take a single hit or gummy and have a
| panic attack.
|
| Someone I know tried a CBD product to see if it would help
| their anxiety (to be clear, they didn't consult with me on
| this, this was of their own volution). They somehow had
| gotten the impression that they wouldn't feel high, and
| were alarmed when they did. In that case, there wasn't any
| lasting harm, they simply didn't try it again. I know
| another person who would have a lot of anxiety on CBD
| gummies. Again, no lasting harm, they just stopped taking
| them. But I don't believe that there is no cause for
| caution with CBD products.
|
| I see CBD gummies advertised for just about everything,
| from helping you sleep to helping you feel awake and
| helping you feel aroused. These are all plausible effects
| for someone to experience, but I don't believe we have it
| down to such a science that these experiences can be
| bottled and productized. There's clearly a lot of snake oil
| out there.
|
| To be clear I think it's broadly good that cannabis is
| being slowly legalized in the US and that people have the
| opportunity to experiment and see if it's helpful to them.
| I've just had a respect for mind-altering substances
| ingrained in me, so I'm not uncomfortable with how casually
| people sometimes recommend these products.
| honkycat wrote:
| > who think it's a cure because their anxiety is due to THc
| withdrawals.
|
| You don't have any proof that this is true or not, yet you
| state it as fact. Lazy thinker.
| barbazoo wrote:
| > The study looked at health data of 12 million people between
| January 2008 and March 2019 and found that 27.5 per cent of
| people who visited an emergency room for cannabis use developed
| an anxiety disorder for the first time within three years.
|
| Others are way better at judging a study's methodology but this
| immediately caught _my_ eye. Shouldn 't we also look at cannabis
| users who didn't visit an ER? And what else was in those people's
| blood at the time? THC vs CBD?
|
| Obviously no link to the actual study so it's hard to judge
| really.
| LordDragonfang wrote:
| Also, what's the base rate of developing an anxiety disorder?
|
| NIH says:
|
| > An estimated 19.1% of U.S. adults had any anxiety disorder in
| the past year.
|
| https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/any-anxiety-disor...
|
| That's pretty high already, and I imagine the base rates for
| anxiety developing among "people who have to be hospitalized
| for any reason" are much higher than the general pop.
| j4yav wrote:
| What does it mean to visit an ER for cannnabis? Wouldn't that
| typically be an anxiety attack in the first place?
| throwanem wrote:
| If you've never had a panic attack before, the first one is
| easy to mistake for something a lot more dangerous.
| antod wrote:
| During a mental health first aid course, I remember being
| told those mistakes can (admittedly rarely) happen in the
| other direction too. ie someone thinking they were having a
| panic attack actually having a heart attack instead.
|
| The advice was to go call an ambulance anyway for someone
| having a serious panic attack. But for what it's worth,
| that advice was given somewhere where calling ambulances
| won't cost you.
| user_7832 wrote:
| A friend of my father unfortunately had a similar issue.
| Complained of acidity in the morning, dead from a heart
| attack by afternoon. It's much better to be over-cautious
| in such cases.
| smokracek wrote:
| Indeed, while not cannabis related, I visited the ER once
| due to a panic attack (which I did't know at the time). My
| combination of high heart rate, mild abdominal pain, and a
| low grade fever triggered their sepsis protocol. This
| constellation of symptoms caused me to spiral more and
| eventually I was discharged with nothing more than some
| chill pills and constipation.
| maxbond wrote:
| Cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome? Asthma attack? Being way
| too high?
|
| Just some guesses.
| steveklabnik wrote:
| Some consequences of illegal substances are things like "lack
| of standard dosage" and "lack of consumer education."
|
| Someone who has never taken cannabis before, accidentally not
| realizing they've consumed too much, not knowing how to
| handle it, and wondering if they're okay, and calling 911 or
| going to the ER, is not an unfamiliar story.
| TrackerFF wrote:
| The only I've heard about:
|
| - psychosis
|
| - green out/being absolutely ripped, and found by others, who
| in turn will take you to the ER.
| tehwebguy wrote:
| > people who visited an emergency room for cannabis use
|
| ?
| huytersd wrote:
| Most people wouldn't visit an ER for cannabis unless they
| already had some anxiety disorder that lead to insane amounts
| of anxiety.
| bowsamic wrote:
| That's a strange thing to say, why do you think that? I
| know a lot of people who don't have anxiety disorders who
| had an anxiety attack when they first got high, and yes
| they might think they need to go to the hospital. The
| physical experience of weed can feel like you're dying
| dekhn wrote:
| it's not uncommon for naive (first-time) consumers,
| especially of edibles, to have intense reactions that lead to
| ER visits; I suspect that many of those are just folks who
| have no idea what is going on and interpret the feeling as
| being dangerous. IIRC the symptoms often include racing
| heart, intense paranoia, and a general feeling of lack of
| control.
|
| Also the ER is the first line of treatment for many
| individuals.
| spcebar wrote:
| So the study is actually called "Development of an anxiety
| disorder following an emergency department visit due to
| cannabis use" and you can check it out here:
| https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5...
|
| The study isn't establishing a direct link between cannabis and
| anxiety, it's looking very specifically at anxiety diagnoses
| following an ER visit. The findings are interpreted in the
| study as the following: "ED visits for cannabis use were
| associated with an increased risk of having an incident
| healthcare visit for an anxiety disorder, particularly in young
| males."
|
| What exactly that means on the broader context of cannabis use
| isn't the focus of the study, but it invites further research
| to explore the implications of their findings.
| throwaway09223 wrote:
| Going to an ER after taking cannabis seems like something
| only someone with an existing anxiety disorder might do.
|
| A more accurate headline might read: People with anxiety
| disorders who take cannabis may unnecessarily visit the ER.
| throwanem wrote:
| > Going to an ER after taking cannabis seems like something
| only someone with an existing anxiety disorder might do.
|
| Twenty or thirty years ago, I'd have agreed with you on
| this, but potency that's normal today wouldn't even have
| been a dream back then. If you think that makes no
| difference, I'm here to tell you you are wrong.
| saiya-jin wrote:
| You both are correct, I've seen it countless times. Folks
| sometimes don't admit even to themselves how insecure and
| anxious they are. And THC will highlight that, sometimes
| a bit, sometimes massively. Same with alcohol, other
| drugs, intense stressful situations and so on.
|
| If you are not anxious, this is no story, this won't
| bulge even after decades of copious consumption (some
| very close folks fall here and only here, no exception
| ever heard of).
|
| Now if you are completely clueless or just a (again
| clueless) kid and say eat 5 space cakes to show off, yeah
| this will not be a nice story. 5-10 hours of catatonic
| despair will leave some mark, but this id self-inflicted
| harm due to stupidity, many wonderful harms and deaths
| have been caused by very same thing and if we want bans
| due to that, alcohol should be the first in line by huge
| margin.
|
| Educate from childhood, regulate (age, potency, how much
| daily, optimize for harmless consumption of quality
| products without impurities), but otherwise let folks do
| their thing. Anything else leads long term to worse
| results for whole society, any gut feeling is easily
| beaten by long term statistics.
| bowsamic wrote:
| My father in law gets super paranoid and anxious on weed
| and LSD but he will never admit it because he wants
| people to believe that he's completely chill
| ngai_aku wrote:
| Man, I wish my father-in-law was using LSD with me!
| throwanem wrote:
| Oh, it's nothing anyone can't get through with a little
| help from someone who can take a broader perspective.
| That's a lot harder to come by these days than should be,
| or at least than is healthy for primates as social as we.
| Stronger communities would yield fewer such ER visits,
| too.
|
| I don't advocate a ban; Prohibition is a salutary example
| and it would be worse today for all involved. But I also
| don't like to see anyone talk about _any_ drug, and
| certainly not this one, as entirely benign.
| hirvi74 wrote:
| I constantly see this, but haven't people been making
| concentrates for 1000s of years? I imagine ancient Nepali
| hash would probably rock a lot of people's world still to
| this day.
| supertofu wrote:
| Sure, but Nepali hash was being taken in a much different
| cultural context (religious, often) by people who were
| generally very prepared for its consequences.
| hinkley wrote:
| I know a family with some sort of genetic disposition to
| anxiety disorders. Every generation up until recent times had
| at least one functioning alcoholic in it. The second to last
| was the beloved family matriarch, not the black sheep. Trying
| to drown out the maelstrom.
|
| It's called self medication, and people have a sense of when
| something is wrong with them without a doctor telling them
| (or for that matter, believing them). Neurodivergent people
| know this especially well, since "all in your head" was the
| ultimate dismissal of medical complaints up until the last
| decade.
|
| Might as well study hospitalizations for stimulants and
| tendency to impulsiveness and intrusive thoughts. People with
| ADHD have been self-medicating with stimulants since the
| trade routes brought tea and coffee ( and probably with beer
| and wine before that).
|
| I maintain that the original motto for Coca Cola (with real
| coca leaves) was a nod to high functioning ADHD customers.
| The Thinking Man's Drink. Most measurable gains in cognitive
| ability from mild stimulants are enjoyed by the
| neurodivergent. But if we are 10% of the human population,
| that's a demographic even Apple could love.
| samatman wrote:
| This begs the question, which is whether self-medication
| with cannabis makes anxiety worse, rather than better, for
| most people who try it. It might, or it might not,
| establishing to what degree the correlation is causal is
| fairly important.
| Schnitz wrote:
| I'd guess that it makes it better at first, worse in the
| long run. Depression and anxiety are known Cannabis
| withdrawal symptoms, so it seems like drinking to cure a
| hangover. There's a great Huberman episode on
| Canabis/THC.
| hirvi74 wrote:
| > Huberman episode on Canabis/THC.
|
| You mean the same episode where he claimed that something
| like 25% of pregnant mothers use Cannabis without
| providing any sources?
|
| I'm not saying Huberman has to be right about
| _everything_ , but I think he just cherrypicks too many
| studies, sometimes overestimates the value of animal
| research, and, once in a blue moon, just completely makes
| up stats to fit his narrative.
|
| His on wikipedia page even says,
|
| > _Huberman has promoted anti-sunscreen views on his
| podcast, saying he 's "as scared of sunscreen as I am of
| melanoma", and claiming that sunscreen molecules can be
| found in neurons 10 years after application; without
| providing any evidence._
|
| I think his intentions are good, but I sometimes question
| his intentions when he never fails to mention that you
| can also use the code Huberman to get 25% off your first
| order of Athletic Greens.
| LegitShady wrote:
| Huberman is the joe rogan of people who think reading a
| dozen inconclusive studies solves life's mysteries.
| hinkley wrote:
| It could be, it also could just be that desperate people
| are drawn to a drug that's illegal but less 'illegal' in
| the court of public opinion than other drugs.
|
| It's probably both.
| slaymaker1907 wrote:
| Talking about the ADHD thing, there's a similar problem
| with some research that claims stimulants cause Parkinson's
| disease. The study authors didn't seem to account for the
| fact that people with more severe ADHD would be more likely
| to be treated with stimulants and that severity of ADHD
| could instead be the causal factor.
| hinkley wrote:
| Or the self-care failings of ADHD people predispose them
| to earlier onset. Or that ADHD people chew on things they
| really shouldn't, flooding our systems with things like
| pthalates, BPA.
| robocat wrote:
| Finding causality is hard and this study has so many hidden
| confounders that even implying causality from weed to anxiety
| disorder is bullshit.
|
| Anecdotally, the only people I know that ended up in ED due
| to weed either took it unknowingly or have Cannabinoid
| hyperemesis syndrome from heavy heavy usage. Surely someone
| with a tendency for anxiety is more likely to seek medical
| help.
|
| I know cannabis smokers who have anxiety issues, but it isn't
| obvious whether their tendency for anxiety leads them to
| smoking. I'm ignoring temporary anxiety. Disclosure: not a
| pot smoker.
| TylerE wrote:
| The problem I have with studies like this is that the implied
| scoping really distorts any conclusions that could be drawn.
| People who don't go to the doctor - by definition - don't get
| diagnosed with anything.
| zzzeek wrote:
| can confirm here, pot just causes lots of paranoia a few hours
| after smoking, ill stick with lexapro thanks
| ModernMech wrote:
| lexapro made me suicidal. YMMV
| freeplay wrote:
| I smoked all throughout my teens and twenties. Once I hit my 30s,
| smoking would give me insane anxiety and, occasionally, full
| blown panic attacks. Obviously, this is very anecdotal and may
| have to do with other factors in my life (increased
| responsibilities to worry about as you get older, kids, etc.).
|
| It got to the point where I asked myself why I was even doing it
| if it was no longer fun or relaxing in any way.
|
| People who love cannabis think it's the cure for everything.
| While I don't doubt its medicinal uses, it's definitely not for
| everyone.
| accrual wrote:
| I agree it has something to do with responsibilities and/or
| "getting caught". As a young adult I had a lot less going on
| and cannabis was a wonderful tool for creativity and getting
| things done. Older, I find myself worrying about more things
| and cannabis can bring in introspective thought loops which
| manifest as anxiety. Fortunately I'm better at separating that
| out now and it doesn't affect me as much - but I know if I was
| chilling in a hammock in a wooded area somewhere without
| deadlines to meet, I'd be a lot less anxious.
|
| Also, quitting caffeine cut my anxiety in half.
| plasma_beam wrote:
| Also agree it's 100% the responsibilities/feeling guilty
| syndrome. But I'm basing this on my personal experience only.
|
| I suffer from bouts of anxiety and depression. I also like to
| partake in cannabis. If I'm feeling depressed, anxious, sad -
| WARNING - don't do cannabis!! It amplifies the feeling. I
| would never use it for an escape from bad stuff. If I'm
| feeling good, then go for it!
|
| It's a mind altering substance. If your mind isn't in a great
| place to begin with, what do people think cannabis is going
| to do?
|
| And yeah, cut down on caffeine and sleep some more.
| coffeebeqn wrote:
| It doesn't for me. If anything it makes my depression and
| anxiety better for a little bit. It helps me focus on just
| one thing rather than worry about all the things in the
| world.
|
| Set and setting do matter just like other drugs. If I'm
| sitting at my back garden then I feel very at peace high.
| If I'm downtown then I'll feel anxious from the sensory
| overload
| perihelions wrote:
| - _" introspective thought loops"_
|
| Oh, that's the flavor of anxiety I get too! That's a very
| precise description.
| jrh3 wrote:
| I enjoyed that phase too when I read it :), but is it just
| a nicer way of saying "spiraling?"
| swed420 wrote:
| It seems common for people to be unaware of important things
| like THC:CBD ratios, and this ignorance often stems from
| unfortunate market based incentives to prioritize high THC
| ratios above all else. Modern growing techniques drive this
| even further with high potency plants.
|
| If you (anyone) aren't fortunate enough to have a wide
| selection of lab tested ratios in your locale, consider mixing
| whatever THC is available along with product that is CBD
| "hemp," which, at least in the US is legal in most places and
| legal to ship online from out of state. Many users
| intentionally mix like this because the latter is often cheaper
| from the market saturation.
|
| This isn't guaranteed to be the reason behind your issues, but
| seems to be for many people who stumble into this info.
| DANmode wrote:
| Great comment.
|
| ~100% THC, no CBD, is objectively wrong for almost all uses
| of cannabis.
|
| The market is morally bankrupt, ran by non-cannabis people,
| and prioritizing addiction over wellness.
| rascul wrote:
| > People who love cannabis think it's the cure for everything.
|
| I don't and nobody I know who uses cannabis thinks that either.
| False generalizations don't help anybody.
| DANmode wrote:
| This perspective stems from:
|
| - ignorance of what the different compounds are capable of,
| especially when isolated and concentrated.
|
| - thinking all cannabis consumers light it on fire.
|
| - more
| Geste wrote:
| Might get downvoted but I agree; truly weed has changed, even
| just CBD. Now it is bad vibes only. Oh well, alcohol is still
| there I guess.
| DANmode wrote:
| Not all CBD is created equal.
|
| Contaminants are still very common, and so is not having
| broad or full spectrum of compounds.
|
| If you're interested in a great recommendation, happy to
| help.
| honkycat wrote:
| This happened to me for a while, so I stopped.
|
| Then I started up again, and I VERY CAREFULLY measure my
| dosage. 2.5mg THC and 20mg CBD takes the edge off nicely, is
| zero calorie, and works up my appetite even when I'm sick of
| eating ( I do a ton of weight lifting and the protein intake
| can be annoying ).
|
| I've abandoned flower and use a little dropper of low octaine
| 4-1 CBD to THC tincture.
| sufficer wrote:
| What do you dropper mix in? Other shakes?
| cypherg wrote:
| I've smoked every day for 15 years and I'm still not addicted
| flgstnd wrote:
| how can you know? you'd need to stop to experience the
| withdrawal symptoms of the psychological dependence..
| jjgreen wrote:
| https://i.kym-
| cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/992/402/c35...
| op00to wrote:
| We don't post memes like that here.
| supertofu wrote:
| Is this meant to be an ironic statement?
|
| Sounds like saying "I've drank every day for 15 years but I'm
| not an alcoholic."
| cypherg wrote:
| It's a psychoactive substances, none of this is the least bit
| surprising. It helps some people with anxiety and it worsens it
| for others.
| xeckr wrote:
| Cannabis is not for everyone.
| accrual wrote:
| Agree. IMO it takes a certain personality to enjoy it and make
| the best of it. Others will find it an awful experience and
| never touch it again. Nothing wrong in either case.
| oldandboring wrote:
| I've been on and off this train. I smoked in high school, not at
| all in college, again in my twenties, not at all in my thirties,
| started again recently. I definitely have anxiety but I would not
| say the pot has triggered panic attacks or otherwise brought on
| or amplified the anxiety. That said, while the pot has a nice
| numbing effect for a couple hours, it certainly has not made my
| anxiety _better_ and I definitely sleep much better when I haven
| 't consumed any THC. Same goes for alcohol.
| bagful wrote:
| What kind of cannabis are people trying to treat their anxiety
| with? If it's high-THC dispensary strains and oil cartridges, no
| wonder; such products have hardly any medicinal value.
| vundercind wrote:
| Dose level, too. I find being very-high _terribly_ anxiety-
| inducing. I don't like it at all.
|
| But ~5-8mg of gummy is amazing as a sleep aid (which is
| largely, for me, about shutting down anxiety _hard_ ) and ~3mg
| (as needed, and rarely, for me) to take the edge off daytime
| anxiety. Lower doses are quite effective if it's "full
| spectrum" and not just isolated THC. The higher (ha, ha) end of
| that range does "get me high" but in a pretty mild way, like
| having a really solid alcohol buzz but not being an
| _unfortunate_ level of inebriated.
|
| Meanwhile, I've given myself a very unpleasant half-hour with a
| single too-large puff on a strong vape pen.
|
| When I was first getting used to it, 5mg sent me straight to
| bed, do not pass go, hope you didn't have any other plans, and
| was a little too much.
|
| I wonder how much of this is from people using it _to get very
| high on purpose_ , or from novice medicinal users dosing too
| high.
| cornhole wrote:
| ymmv but this was the case for me
| seanthemon wrote:
| Outside of this study, if you're a constant smoker and you suffer
| from morning nausea, please see cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome
|
| I suffered from intense bouts of nausea often lasting days (and
| my last time a whole week), I learned of CHS and stopped my use
| immediately, finally stopped the pain
|
| The pain and nausea was so bad, it was honestly the worst i've
| ever felt
| facialwipe wrote:
| Just to clarify, how did you typically consume cannabis?
| supertofu wrote:
| I speculate concentrates.
| seanthemon wrote:
| My country doesn't have easily accessible concentrates, but
| I did dry herb vape high quality cannabis and smoke on
| occasion (maybe 3 times a week)
| seanthemon wrote:
| Daily dry herb vaping and occasional smoking (3 times a
| week), but very high quality
| zoklet-enjoyer wrote:
| I get a strain at the dispensary that's 1:1 THC:CBD. It's a lot
| better for me than the high THC stuff; I can't handle those.
| thepasswordis wrote:
| Cannabis use seemed to "unlock" a type of anxiety that I had
| never experienced before, and after using it, I could never
| "forget" this feeling. Absolute hell that now recurs.
|
| It seems absolutely insane to me that our pop culture pushes this
| stuff as at worse benign, but usually beneficial.
| hooo wrote:
| Can you elaborate on what type of anxiety it unlocked?
| ushakov wrote:
| They're probably talking about intense paranoia. I have a
| friend, who told me about the one time they were high and
| couldn't pee, because of the fear that their organs would
| flush down the toilet...
| thepasswordis wrote:
| Sure, what's frustrating is that it isn't tied to any fear
| (if that makes sense). It's not the traditional "I'm gonna
| get caught!" thing you see in movies.
|
| The best I can describe is: pretend there's a murderer right
| outside of your window, he's coming to kill you and tapping
| on the glass. Your heart rate is spiked, your body is
| flooding you with adrenaline, fight or flight is in full
| kickoff mode; you need to either *run* away, or fight.
|
| But now imagine you get all of those physical sensations, but
| there is no killer outside and you know it. You feel the
| fight or flight, but you don't have any idea what it is in
| response to.
|
| Trying to slow down is difficult, and you can feel sortof
| uncoordinated when walking around (your body is screaming to
| run, so walking feels off somehow).
|
| Unfortunately it's hard to describe. It is definitely not
| psychological concern about something, though, and this is
| where some frustration when talking about it comes from.
| There's nothing to reassure yourself of or calm down from,
| because you're not having the psychological effects of
| anxiety, just the physical ones.
| p1mrx wrote:
| Sounds like you should get into running.
| thepasswordis wrote:
| haha
| francisofascii wrote:
| Sounds like when your sympathetic nervous system is turned
| on and stuck? This sounds similar to hyperadrenergic POTS
| or dysautonomia.
| op00to wrote:
| This is exactly what my diagnosed by a psychiatrist anxiety
| is like. It's not specific to cannabis.
| saiya-jin wrote:
| Because it is?
|
| The problem is, you and tons of folk like you didn't read the
| fine print, because... who knows, ignorance? Fok ya all
| attitude of young? Even though all info is few clicks away at
| most.
|
| It has been said 10 thousand times here and everywhere else,
| including quite a few posts by me - just don't do any mind
| altering drugs if you are not balanced +-happy person. There is
| no clear definition or dividing line, each of us is unique and
| should know how stable/unstable they are, if they have
| unresolved long term issues and so on. If folks can't be even
| honest in such things with themselves, well, life will be a
| tough walk in many aspects thats for sure.
|
| For all those folks, if you do such things, you take tremendous
| risk, you may end up off better despite issues, but that's your
| Russian roulette with your own mind, don't complain that you
| risked massively and lost a huge gamble. These cases are not
| reference, unless say 50% of US population is by default
| anxious.
| unethical_ban wrote:
| You brought age into a discussion when it wasn't warranted,
| and you assume people with mental health issues all know it.
|
| Healthy people have heart attacks. Healthy people can mistake
| depression or budding mental issues as "work stress" or the
| pressures of life.
|
| You're essentially saying "yeah cannabis can cause issues but
| it's your fault for not knowing your in a 100% happy place"
| which is dismissive on several levels.
|
| I say this as someone who likes THC edibles and also can see
| how it causes anxiety for people prone to it. I also think
| age can be a factor, anecdotally. Alcohol was something easy
| for me to overconsume, and now my hangovers cause nebulous
| anxiety the next day which cannot be explained by any
| specific thing.
| DANmode wrote:
| > cannot be explained by any specific thing.
|
| Neurodegeneratives be neurodegenerating?
| yazaddaruvala wrote:
| You're not alone. After years of no issues and enjoying the
| intoxication, I had a really bad trip that caused an "anxiety
| attack" specifically existential anxiety. While intoxicated I
| would rarely but sometimes feel paranoid, however, this was my
| first ever time experiencing anxiety at this scale, and it
| persisted while I was sober.
|
| It was (and sometimes is) really bad!!
|
| It took 4+ months of therapy to get back to "manageable", and
| over 2 years later I felt back to normal and in control. I've
| now stopped any intoxicants (alcohol included) almost entirely.
| I sometimes will participate with a good group of friends, but
| I'm far more cautious of any intoxicant.
| coffeebeqn wrote:
| This can be caused by many other things too - not saying
| cannabis's didn't do it in yours. I always had low background
| level anxiety through my life but a certain life event caused
| me to suddenly have panic attacks. I've been on meds ever
| since
| honkycat wrote:
| I totally get it, the same thing happens to me. I get horrible
| anxiety when I overdo it. You are likely over-doing it. Even a
| puff of the "new" stuff is too much for me.
|
| I'll also point out that:
|
| 1. TONS of people have undiagnosed anxiety disorders, and
| blaming it on smoking a plant years go is neither scientific or
| productive.
|
| 2. If you are consistently experiencing anxiety, there are a
| TON of resources you can tap into. Even outside of medication,
| there is CBT and mindfulness that can keep you in the moment
| and prevent you from spinning out.
| d--b wrote:
| Is this the typical case of correlation vs causation?
|
| From personal experience, using cannabis when you're not anxious
| is a pretty un pleasant experience. It causes a slight euphoria
| followed by severe tiredness, and nausea.
|
| Everyone I know who used cannabis past their thirties does it out
| of self medication for anxiety/sleep problems.
| theshackleford wrote:
| > From personal experience, using cannabis when you're not
| anxious is a pretty un pleasant experience. It causes a slight
| euphoria followed by severe tiredness, and nausea.
|
| This does not match my experience, which of course will vary. I
| don't get any nausea for a start, and am often ingesting to
| assist with nausea.
|
| Most people in their 30's I know avoid it as it triggers their
| already existing anxiety. I took it up in my 30s in combination
| with other drugs following a spinal cord injury and it's done
| nothing to assist with anxiety sadly, and has triggered some
| bouts, though is quite good for helping me eat.
|
| I imagine it's tripped my anxiety as I've been quite anxious
| since the injury and surgeries to begin with. I managed to
| reduce those instances by mixing with a CBD heavy strain (my
| THC strains are all 25% plus which is recommended for my
| circumstances).
| Madmallard wrote:
| Anxiety is an evolutionary mechanism to alert the individual that
| something is wrong and must be dealt with. That should tell you
| most of you need to know about whether the it is good for you or
| not. If you have intolerable pain or no appetite and it solves
| those issues, then maybe that is worth it. In most cases and for
| most people, it's likely not worth it.
|
| Cannabis lowers blood pressure and can cause tachycardia and has
| a statistically significant association with the development of
| heart failure in some users. In my own personal life, I had an
| episode of moderate autonomic dysfunction after taking it several
| times with seemingly no issue. While in the hospital the
| attending ER doctor told me I should probably stay away from it.
| That was the last time I had it. He was lighthearted and put a
| joke diagnosis of toxic encephalopathy on the discharge notes.
| rangerelf wrote:
| Weed makes you paranoid. Who'da thunk.
| micromacrofoot wrote:
| I mean, yeah... if you have a certain type of anxiety (maybe a
| little paranoia for example) then cannabis will very often
| _exaggerate_ that feeling. You can very well get stuck on it. I
| 've told new cannabis users this for quite some time.
|
| Many people who end up in the hospital because of cannabis
| convince themselves they're dying, but really they're having
| what's closer to a bad trip. Edibles are especially prone to this
| because people often are impatient and end up eating too much
| because they don't think it's working.
|
| Many drugs (including alcohol!) are multipliers. People need to
| be especially careful if they have preexisting mental illnesses,
| especially if they've ever experienced psychosis.
|
| A lot of people blame poor behavior on whatever they took, but
| that's always a little bit of a personality tell because often
| they're just talking about lowered inhibitions. If that makes you
| a total asshole, then maybe consider why... because drugs aren't
| giving you new personality traits.
| oblib wrote:
| I'll chime in because I've been using cannabis for over 50 years.
| First off, I've never suffered with anxiety. if anything, THC has
| been a great help in relieving that for me.
|
| I also say that over those years there have been long spells of
| time when I couldn't get any weed, and again, never had issues
| with that either. No "withdrawal" issues or anxiety issues at
| all.
|
| The only weed induced anxiety I've ever experienced was caused by
| knowing I could get arrested for possession, but that's never
| happened, and where I live now it's legal, so I don't have to
| worry about that anymore.
|
| Personally, I think that the social stigma associated with "refer
| madness" may be related to weed induce anxiety.
|
| But there are studies that indicate THC does affect people
| differently and that genetics may have something to do with that.
| For example, those who suffer with psychoses may have issues with
| weed triggering psychotic episodes, but I recently read that CBD
| may reduce those events.
|
| I think it would be interesting to hear from those dealing with
| anxiety if CBD relieves that.
| bottlepalm wrote:
| I'll throw my own anecdotal evidence in here. I found weed to
| be fun when I was younger, but after few years I started
| getting really paranoid when I smoked, like a switch was
| flipped in my brain. Probably after some edible overdoses. So
| now I mostly avoid it, or use alcohol to dull the paranoia.
|
| I also have a lot of friends with the the same story where it
| was fun at first, but later just anxiety, paranoia and over
| thinking things. Looks like in this thread there a lot of
| similar stories as well.
| Workaccount2 wrote:
| I'm in this camp and have met many others too. I was a
| typical heavy user for a few years before over the course of
| a week I went from chill-out high to full-blown paranoia and
| insomnia. Tried weed periodically after that and always got
| the same intense paranoia/anxiety.
|
| Now with edibles I can eat a very small dose (2-4mg) and just
| skate under the threshold for freak-out, but its a far cry
| from when I used to eat gummies by the mouthful and have
| goofy fun for hours afterwards.
| hirvi74 wrote:
| Fwiw, I am the opposite. When I was younger (late high
| school), when I would try it, I would absolutely get
| anxious/paranoid, which prevented me from ever wanting to
| do it often.
|
| However, once I was older (late 20s), and perhaps my brain
| was better formed, I never had this issue again.
| hparadiz wrote:
| Paranoid thinking from weed in my late teens to early 20s
| had more to do with the fear of being caught by law
| enforcement and having my life turned upside down over a
| plant.
| oblib wrote:
| Same here. I got busted in Hollywood when I was 14 years
| old, back in 1973. I was the only juvenile in a group of
| about 20 people at a birthday party in an apartment
| building. They had a helicopter circling the building and
| shining a spotlight on the apartment we were in, then a
| group of police came through the door and arrested all of
| us.
|
| They ended up dropping the charges on my case because the
| police didn't read me my rights before questioning me.
| I'd told them "I smoke weed and I'm not going to stop."
| The last question they asked me was "You were read your
| rights, right?", and I told them "No". A woman officer
| standing behind them looked at me and grinned and nodded
| her head up and down a bit. When I went to court a month
| or so later the prosecutor told I could go home because
| the case was dismissed.
|
| But, for quite a few years after that every time I heard
| a helicopter hovering nearby I'd get a panic attack. It
| wasn't a vicious one, but I sure felt it.
| Taylor_OD wrote:
| I've got nothing but anecdotal evidence but I had the same
| thing happen to me as have at least a half dozen other people
| that I know.
|
| Regular smokers for years, at some point something changed,
| after that point almost any amount of smoking caused enough
| paranoia and anxiety that they decided to stop smoking
| entirely.
|
| About once a year, I think, "I'll take a quarter of an edible
| and watch this movie at home". 9 times out of 10 I end up
| having an awful night due to anxiety.
| nodesocket wrote:
| Also can confirm daily use for extended period of time
| eventually caused me severe anxiety and depression. Perhaps
| the difference is we are using vape pens (at least I was)
| which are orders of magnitude stronger than plant. My
| tolerance increased and increased until I was smoking a 500mg
| pod almost weekly. I recently stopped cold turkey, and man it
| was tough. Restless nights, woke up drenched in sweat for
| about the first five days, shaking of hands, and lips.
| Whoever said that Cannabis is not physically addictive? Seems
| like I had physical withdraw symptoms.
|
| I feel so much sharper now, and the fog of "war" has cleared.
| My work output has increased dramatically. I'm waking up
| earlier and feeling much more confident. I'm not against
| cannabis, I think in moderation can be nice, relaxing, and of
| course has valid medical uses.
| oblib wrote:
| When I was in my teens kids would have contests to see who
| could take the most and biggest "hits" from bongs 3ft long.
|
| I never did that. I've always taken tiny puffs because I
| don't like coughing, so I got called a "buzz kill" quite a
| few times back then.
| officehero wrote:
| > The only weed induced anxiety I've ever experienced was
| caused by knowing I could get arrested for possession
|
| As a Swede I can confirm. It really feels like an 1984
| situation when you sneak outside around the house blocks,
| knowing the angles that reduce the risk of possible
| "witnesses", understanding wind directions and speeds. Mostly
| just weed-induced paranoia, but having friends got caught
| really puts one on edge.
| mouse_ wrote:
| "people looking for solutions linked to problems" very
| informative
| rossdavidh wrote:
| While I don't doubt that there could be a link, it seems
| ridiculous that they don't (at least as far as we can tell from
| this article) do anything to tell if this is causation one-way or
| the other. Not hard to imagine that people who are starting to
| suffer from chronic anxiety may try self-medication before they
| try the emergency room.
|
| Again, not saying there's no causation the way they imply, but
| basic experimental principles should tell you to try to control
| for this somehow, for example by looking at overall anxiety rates
| before and after it becomes commonly available in a given
| community, or comparing similar sized communities in different
| areas with different availability.
| paulpauper wrote:
| Cannabis is not a dissociative drug. I think pop culture has
| instilled a false belief it has a calming or chill effect, but
| it's the opposite.
| hirvi74 wrote:
| I guess I am somewhat different than many of the commenters in
| this thread.
|
| Cannabis has caused anxiety in me before, but I had anxiety
| problems prior fwiw. In a weird way, I kind of used the anxiety
| from Cannabis as "training."
|
| What I mean, is that when I would get anxious from cannabis, I
| would try and talk myself down, remind myself that nothing bad
| was going to happen, and then kind of intentionally try to
| refrain my thoughts in order to force myself to enjoy the
| experience.
|
| I learned that the more I did this, the better I was at being
| able to do this in other situations where I would be
| inappropriately anxious about something (even without Cannabis).
|
| It's not perfect, but has seemed to work better than anything
| else I have tried. So, my point is that I learned the only way I
| can apparently beat anxiety is to charge it head on.
| janeerie wrote:
| You basically just did exposure therapy (the most effective
| therapy for anxiety) with cannabis as your trigger.
| mikhmha wrote:
| Wow, same thing for me as well. It was very effective because
| it was like OK I know for sure I'm in a state of anxiousness
| right now because I just consumed something mind-altering -
| there is no ambiguity to it. So then you roll with it and
| gradually start to become bolder in your actions. Because its
| like "well I thought I was gonna die last time but I didn't so
| it really was all in my head. Why do I waste so much brain CPU
| on things that are meaningless?".
|
| It didn't 100% solve my anxiety but it put me on the path to
| finally seek out a legitimate and effective solution because I
| had enough reference to compare to.
| throw3450 wrote:
| IMO what really matters is the THC concentration. I've suffered
| from generalized anxiety since early childhood, and the one time
| I tried typical, high-THC content recreational cannabis things
| didn't go well. I got a full-blown panic attack, and maybe even
| psychotic symptoms for a while, afterwards I wasn't sure whether
| I imagined some things or not. Later when I tried a CBD product I
| didn't have any problems, just a slight calming effect comparable
| to having a couple of beers.
|
| Since then I've also found out that I probably have increased
| genetic likelihood of developing schizophrenia. I'll never touch
| anything with significant THC concentration again, just way too
| risky.
| kaonashi wrote:
| Does the study differentiate between strains used?
| DiscourseFan wrote:
| You know, I've only ever had one bad experience with cannabis,
| and it was only bad for like 30 minutes or so (though it felt
| much, much longer). I made edibles, and I'd never made them
| before but I followed online instructions very precisely and
| ended up, by accident, creating extra-potent brownies.
|
| Now, I knew before taking them how potent they were, I was licked
| the mixing spoon the night before, just a tiny bit here and
| there, and even that little bit was enough to make me relatively
| high. But when my friends saw how tiny the doses were, they
| thought I was being crazy and we all ended up getting each other
| to take waaaay to many, especially me, the _host_ , which was an
| especially bad idea because within an hour I'd gone into my room,
| gotten into bed, and put on some youtube video to calm me down.
| Well, not very long after getting into bed I had this feeling of
| immense warmth and comfort, and I got super blissed out and my
| friends would come in to check up on me and I just gave them a
| thumbs up with a massive grin on my face. At some point one of my
| friends joined me in my room, and then sometime later I rejoined
| the party, which was getting along fine without me, and then we
| dispersed after we started to sober up.
|
| So, all in all, it was a good experience. But I got super fucking
| high and I was literally starting to lose touch with reality
| before I sequestered myself, and my heart was beating out of my
| chest so hard I thought I was actually going to have a heart
| attack and die. I think it was easier for me to handle since I've
| had experience with fairly high doses of psychedelics in the
| past. I suppose alls well that ends well.
| drojas wrote:
| The older you get the more responsibilities and also regrets you
| have. With more responsibilities and the feeling of not being
| able to manage them you feel as soon as the THC goes away, it is
| hard not to get anxious as you age, and it also adds more regrets
| which directly add to the anxiety and feeling of self-defeat and
| lack self-control. At least that was in my experience and the
| reason why I dropped it completely soon after turning 30.
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