[HN Gopher] The Potent Pollution of Noise
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The Potent Pollution of Noise
Author : tintinnabula
Score : 21 points
Date : 2024-02-05 20:30 UTC (1 days ago)
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| aljgz wrote:
| We talk about friction of tires on Asphalt, or engine noise.
| Nobody seems to do something about exhaust modification. This is
| big win with little effort. The logarithmic scale of DB hides how
| serious the issue is. A 95db modified exhaust create noise that's
| equal to 10000 54db cars. One such vehicle passing by downtown at
| 3am can disrupt the sleep of thousands of people (among hundreds
| of thousands who are in the range, but most of them might not be
| that sensitive). IMHO, an exhaust modification that adds more
| than 10db to the factory provided one should be illegal. It's
| easy to think of next steps for cars that are made noisy in the
| factory, but it's incredible that nothing is being done about
| this.
| wizardforhire wrote:
| It generally is illegal... but as I mentioned in the post on
| headlights the laws are rarely if ever enforced...
| wizardforhire wrote:
| If one were so inclined to be civically active in the US at
| least, it should be possible to set up an api with local law
| enforcement that would be able to take in data from always on
| microphones such as with widely deployed door bell cameras,
| smart assistants and phones coupled with ai sound recognition
| and automatically report and triangulate offending sources of
| noise which would probably go a long way towards making
| enforcement more plausible. Over a decade ago when I first
| proposed this I was against its development for obvious
| privacy concerns. Seeing as how that ship has long sailed it
| seems that were long over due to have such a background
| system in place. I mean at this point its no worse than the
| litany of cameras we see already deployed by municipalities
| on traffic lights.
| cuddlyogre wrote:
| The absolute void of interest to enforce the law is the
| problem here, not finding offenders.
|
| I'm my area, all it would take is a cop to watch the main
| drag and start enforcing speed limits and state and local
| noise ordinances and it would stop. But they don't because
| they are not interested. In part because they or their
| children partake in the hobby of harassing people in their
| homes a mile and a half away. Another part is its easier to
| ticket people late for work because they won't run like the
| noise makers do.
| endymi0n wrote:
| Interestingly, France and Germany are getting serious on
| this. Looking forward to see more of these.
|
| https://www-adac-
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| wongarsu wrote:
| Or maybe we could finance some kind of scheme where law
| enforcement officers traverse cities, towns and countryside
| using a variety of transport options, primarily two- and
| four-wheeled motorized vehicles on a rotating basis. If we
| then equipped these officers with some kind of method to
| audibly detect abnormally loud noises, they could
| proactively investigate such offenses with minimal response
| times and take appropriate action.
|
| Of course one issue with my plan is that it depends on the
| cooperation of the dispatched law enforcement officers. If
| they were to symphonize with the people committing the
| noise infractions they might simply refuse to punish them.
| pbnjeh wrote:
| Amongst other things, you have to define a system of
| calibration that will stand up in court. I've read about
| speeding tickets getting tossed for lack of same.
|
| That said, for all these communities surviving on /
| leaching off of ticket revenues, I've wondered why they
| haven't gone after these noise rats. Or a private entity
| whose business is selling equipment/systems to law
| enforcement. Put detectors on squad cars, and sell them a
| calibration setup. Pass and/or enforce some local noise
| ordinances, and...Ka-chinge!
|
| I've been tortured by neighborhood subwoofer dicks as well
| as straight pipe pricks. I'm sorry to be derogatory in
| tone, here, but those are the mildest words I can bring
| myself to use for them. A steady rush of tire noise or the
| like would be welcome by comparison.
|
| I too have serious privacy concerns WRT modern technology.
| However, seeing as that ship has sailed, stick such
| systems, with license plate readers, around town, and go
| after the violators. Triangulation, running video, and
| repeat logging to confirm the specific offender.
|
| In my county, ostensibly repeat offenders can escalate to
| having their vehicle impounded. Of course, in real life,
| nothing is done -- not even a ticket.
|
| People should be given a bit a time to e.g. fix a damaged
| exhaust. But for those who choose to inflict their noise on
| others? Better to ruin their lives, than let them ruin
| ours.
|
| (Can you tell the recent bout of warm weather had left me
| dealing with this in my neighborhood... :-/ Sorry for being
| a downer, here. But this is a real, significant stress, and
| one many friends share. One that is the result of another's
| willful, selfish choice.)
| ericmcer wrote:
| If you want to really want to question your fellow human, check
| out some Reddit threads about loud exhausts. The number of
| people who steadfastly defend their right to drive a loud car
| is insane.
| genter wrote:
| The timbre is also important. Tire and engine noise are closer
| to white noise, which you can tune out. An aftermarket muffler
| like what my jackass neighbor has is a single pitch that
| pierces through anything.
| tayo42 wrote:
| If you complain about noise you get labeled a Karen, or maybe
| even a genteifier under the right circumstance lol.
|
| It's like software, the hardest problem to solve isn't technical,
| it's people problems.
| uoaei wrote:
| The gentrifier label comes when you complain about things that
| have been neighborhood fixtures without engaging with your
| neighbors before deciding that your feelings matter more than
| theirs.
| tayo42 wrote:
| We're talking about pollution though.
|
| Noise gets treated differently then other types of pollution,
| exception being light.
|
| You probably wouldn't get labeled a gentrifier, or really
| even get push back, if you wanted to clean plastic waste, put
| up garbage cans, recycle etc...
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