[HN Gopher] How Lego Became the Apple of Toys (2015)
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How Lego Became the Apple of Toys (2015)
Author : Tomte
Score : 63 points
Date : 2024-02-04 09:46 UTC (2 days ago)
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| cptaj wrote:
| http://www.brick4.com/
| berkes wrote:
| Not sure if this is yours, but if so: Firefox (android) and
| Chrome (android) refuse to load the site. Probably due to
| missing SSL.
| unleaded wrote:
| You have to use HTTP for some reason. It's a database of
| Chinese lego clones, I've seen it before. Chinese lego is
| awesome, it's often cheaper than real Lego and there's lots
| of original sets including things that lego won't make (like
| tanks and stuff, think I saw a strip club set once). But
| there are clones of real lego sets too, whether that bothers
| you is up to you. Check out r/lepin for more
| cuddlyogre wrote:
| You definitely pay for quality too.
|
| Chinese building blocks vary wildly in terms of clutch
| power and overall precision. But if all you're looking for
| is something to display and not ever touch again, it's
| probably the best way to go.
| amelius wrote:
| Apple going against general purpose computing makes it more like
| Playmobil, where construction options are limited compared to
| LEGO.
|
| The versatility of Linux and the original x86 platform with its
| openness is more like LEGO in spirit.
| dartos wrote:
| I think they're talking more about market positioning then the
| technical spirit of the product
| flax wrote:
| Until I have to jailbreak my bricks to make my own designs, Lego
| is nothing like Apple.
| myspy wrote:
| Interesting to read this now. Lego was in a very good position
| during that time. But in the last years they declined in quality
| (bad prints, a lot of stickers on AFOL sets), increased the
| prices and the lack in building fun of the sets. Lots of catering
| to grown-ups and weird choices in the kids section like the city
| road elements.
|
| The mixed reality sets were not well received. Why give a kid
| something to do with Lego bricks and then pull them in front of a
| smartphone again?
| kleiba wrote:
| Lego is still quite amazing but not quite as cool as it used to
| be. I suppose the various boxes were always meant to be such that
| you could build that one really cool building/vehicle/etc. with
| it. Sometimes with a predesigned variation, too.
|
| But today it seems that the purpose of most boxes is to do _only_
| that - and then, what, put the object into a display case? Or,
| more likely, play with it for a while and then forget about it.
|
| What I mean is that even though today's lego boxes let you build
| way more realistic and designy products, there are so many
| special pieces that it does not spark your own creative fantasy
| (in my opinion) but _limits_ it. To me, as a child, the appeal
| was always that there was quite a limited set of brick types -
| and the creativity lay in combining them in new ways.
|
| In comparison, the number and types of different pieces seems to
| have doubled or tripled today. By implication that means that you
| end with a few instances of many different types of pieces while
| before, you'd have many instances of a few types of pieces. I'd
| argue that the latter lends itself much better to creating new
| things born out of your own creativity.
| pdpi wrote:
| > there are so many special pieces that it does not spark your
| own creative fantasy (in my opinion) but limits it.
|
| Those pieces aren't anywhere near as limiting as you think. The
| Saturn V model uses the 64951 tub/barrel pieces as thruster
| nozzles. The LEM uses the 64644 telescope/spyglass piece for
| the legs. That's the immediately visible bits in the model I
| have handy, I remember seeing a bunch more of those on my
| friend's Millennium Falcon, and just in general.
| unfunco wrote:
| The 31129 Majestic Tiger uses a 1x1 pink flower plate as a
| butthole.
| doctoboggan wrote:
| In thought you were joking but I looked it up and this is
| 100% true. I applaud their commitment to anatomical
| correctness.
| amelius wrote:
| Ok, so maybe LEGO is becoming more like Apple. Apple is going
| against general purpose computing, and LEGO is now going
| against general purpose construction.
| dsr_ wrote:
| That's on you, I'm afraid. If you buy the big boxes of pieces,
| you can be just as limited as you want to be.
| globalise83 wrote:
| You are right, there is a fine balance between just enough
| variety to be able to achieve your vision without leaving
| Minecraft-style jagged edges and too much variety and
| specialisation so that you cannot build anything novel at all.
| But we also live in a time where you can easily buy boxloads of
| generic Lego bricks second-hand (some of it probably 20 or more
| years old) for almost nothing at yard sales or on a local buy-
| and-sell website. Lego bricks are good for 2 or 3 generations
| of children.
| bombcar wrote:
| I've seen this sentiment time and time again, but careful
| examination of the actual pieces and sets, _excluding the
| obviously marketed to adults sets_ shows them just as
| adjustable and combinable as I remember them being _when given
| to kids_.
|
| _My_ ability to see what is latent and possible in the pile
| has decreased, but my kids have what seems to me to be quite
| the same amount of fun I did when I ways young.
|
| There's even now an entire Lego line dedicated to "3 in 1"
| where the parts have three possible buildouts:
| https://www.lego.com/en-us/themes/creator-3-in-1
|
| My pirate ship never came with alternate models _with
| instructions_ https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/pirate-
| ship-31109 though some of the sets would have an alternate
| model or two pictured on the box.
| jhbadger wrote:
| This depends on your age. I think you were playing with Lego
| in the 1980s or 1990s when there was theming like pirates and
| what not. I had Lego in the 1970s. We really just had sets
| with square/rectangular blocks of various sizes and a few
| special parts like windows and doors. We didn't even have
| minifigs. But I get why Lego changed -- you only need to sell
| one or two generic sets and the kid has enough legos for
| life. If you add theming then suddenly there's space lego,
| pirate lego, etc. and then the kid wants a new set every
| Christmas and birthday.
| rufus_foreman wrote:
| >> We really just had sets with square/rectangular blocks
| of various sizes and a few special parts like windows and
| doors
|
| Same here. For me, they were stored in the same large bag
| as the Lincoln Logs, Tinkertoys, Hot Wheels, and green
| plastic army men.
|
| Which allowed you to realistically portray such common
| situations as "infantryman, flamethrower, and radio man
| hide behind giant plastic multi-colored wall while
| preparing to assault Porsche 917 garaged in a log cabin".
| jltsiren wrote:
| That trend has been going on a decades. When I was a kid in the
| late 80s, I always grabbed the annual Lego catalog from the
| local toy store. Every year, there were more and more big
| colorful special-purpose parts that were required to build that
| one cool object. But there were never enough of them in the
| boxes to really use them in my own designs.
| tda wrote:
| And it is not only the variety of pieces, but also that the
| number of colors has exploded. Lego is becoming more like
| Playmobil, with the advantage that you have extra fun putting
| your sets together, and with the disadvantage that they will
| disintegrate and be hard to put together again.
|
| I find myself "helping" my kids keep their built sets whole
| after playing with them, as once the sets become pieces it is
| too tedious/frustrating for the kids to find all the pieces to
| put them back together again amongst the pile. Also because the
| manuals are very much step by step, it is very clear what piece
| you need for the next 1 step, but not what you need for the
| next 10 steps. So searching ahead is not so easy for the kids.
|
| But regardless of all my opinions, the kids are huge fans of
| lego. I have also noticed that as the sets are much larger, it
| is quite nice to buy a set second hand, build it once and then
| sell it again. I found out there are even people renting out
| the top sets for like 10EUR/week. So these sets are more like
| puzzles to me, where the joy is in building them. Such a
| contrast with when I was a kid; I never kept my sets built, I
| was always building my own designs.
|
| Recently my kids got something called plusplus. A 3d building
| block where all blocks are identical (shaped like ++) and in
| limited colors. They were having fun building their own designs
| from the start. Limitations really spark creativity
| dangus wrote:
| Nah dude, you are plain wrong. The truth is that Lego has so
| much variety, they make an experience for everyone.
|
| They have sets with multiple builds and more flexibility.
| They've got stuff for adults who want a pretty object in their
| house that they built. They have Lego Friends for the girly
| girls. They have every licensed property imaginable for people
| who are into that. They have Minecraft which has more build
| flexibility of being voxel themed in the first place. They sell
| classic bins with assorted parts. They have Duplo for toddlers.
| They have train sets for train people. They have roller
| coasters and "fast" sets. They have a robot/programming
| product. They have construction and technic. They have car sets
| for people who like model cars. They have city and creator sets
| for people who like to build realistic model towns and worlds.
| They have space and aviation stuff. They have products created
| by fans that are voted on by their fans. They have a custom
| model set builder.
|
| They literally make everything. You can get whatever experience
| you want, including all the old experiences.
| irrational wrote:
| My son gets the sets, builds the one thing, then starts heavily
| modifying it. Eventually pieces from other sets will be
| incorporated into this set and it into other sets and
| eventually the Death Star has become a castle. So, it's more of
| a mindset thing than a LEGO thing. If you insist that the one
| thing is all the set can become, that is fine, but it can also
| become many other things if you let it go.
| agumonkey wrote:
| I'll make a weird analogy, i feel the same about modern games.
| The old limitations gave a different feel to the incredibly
| realistic rendering of today. Even when styled.. it's not the
| same.
|
| I like the groove of simple blockiness and a few dedicated
| parts.
| ygra wrote:
| I've stumbled over Rebrickable recently where you can enter a
| LEGO set number and get alternative models (MOCs) and build
| instructions for them (among other usages). For my children
| there is lots of fun in taking apart the car again and building
| a plane from the same parts. This also has the benefit of
| keeping the sets together (for now), so the original
| instructions can still be used without having to hunt for two
| 1x1 tile rounded in dark blueish gray in one of the two big
| boxes of parts.
|
| It varies by set/model. Some of them are built and then played
| with, some are built, razed, built differently, demolished
| again. Some are built and then put on display. The pieces, even
| the specialized ones, are rarely the problem in building
| something completely different from what I can observe. They
| are, however, a problem when you have to find them again if you
| want to build the original model.
| loughnane wrote:
| I like lego, but the magic that made them what they are is
| waning. The capitalized big on partnerships with entertainment
| brands, but that's feeling played out. When parents pick up gifts
| for birthday parties they'll get lego star wars or lego ninjago
| gifts because the birthday boy is into star wars or ninjago, lego
| is secondary.
|
| Lego is still great, but their lack of emphasis on the creativity
| that has been the promise of lego for decades---think this
| ad[0]---has been making them less great each year.
|
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| https://i.pinimg.com/originals/71/ea/f1/71eaf11fd3ade672821b...
| Apocryphon wrote:
| What happened with Legos?
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVCOAFKjaoY
| racl101 wrote:
| lol. OK, that's hilarious. Is that Community TV show any
| good?
| RandallBrown wrote:
| It's one of my favorite shows ever.
| hgomersall wrote:
| I'm pretty sure Ninjago was invented precisely to sell more
| Lego.
| travisjungroth wrote:
| > but that's feeling played out
|
| It gets played out for adults. There's a new crop of kids every
| year, and all the time their interests are changing.
| roomey wrote:
| Oh my god, do people commenting here not realise it is they who
| are getting older, less cool, less creative?
|
| Oh back in my day we had 10 Lego bricks and we were _greatful_
| because of it!
| bombcar wrote:
| This is mainly it - though I do remember as a kid having "The
| Collection" was always important - your little pile of "special
| bricks" like headlight bricks, anything printed, etc, that were
| "rare" and you'd want.
| default-kramer wrote:
| Having fewer bricks could be considered a feature. There are
| definitely situations in which more constraints can increase
| creativity and happiness. For a long time, I preferred Dragon
| Quest Builders 1 (a Minecraft-style game) over its sequel for
| this reason. It's not unreasonable for people to be overwhelmed
| or put off by the tremendous variety of Lego available today.
| Dig1t wrote:
| There are a few "Apple of X industry" companies out there, I
| think it's pretty interesting that you can generalize the things
| that make them what they are.
|
| Disney is the Apple of movies.
|
| Nintendo is the Apple of video games.
|
| They are usually the types of companies that tightly control
| almost all of their product, are at a premium price point, and
| have an "elevated" sort of brand recognition.
|
| For example Nintendo is intent on tightly controlling their
| product experience. They use boring tech in creative ways and
| charge a premium for their content.
|
| Disney is the same, they are the only theme parks with imagineers
| that custom make all the rides and experiences in their parks,
| they make their own software for the most part, and tightly
| control how their characters are used, etc etc
|
| The biggest takeaway is that the companies have an intense focus
| on the quality of their product and that makes them the longest
| lasting and most elevated brands.
|
| LEGO belongs in this group because they have a similar focus on
| quality I think. At least WRT their toys. I don't care much for
| their theme parks..
| hospitalJail wrote:
| Its interesting, you find quality with these brands.
|
| I'm certain these brands advertise they have quality, but I
| think they fall far short of the competition constantly.
| Nintendo? Disney? Apple? When I think of their actual quality
| compared to the best in the business you are talking B-
| quality.
|
| Sure you never get a C or a D like when I get a random Android
| phone for $100, but you are never going to get a Baulders Gate
| 3 from Nintendo.
|
| Although now that you mention it, all of these brands have
| total fanatics that border on cult worship. I wonder if this is
| natural, or some unethical psychology their marketing
| departments use.
| smugglerFlynn wrote:
| > compared to the best in the business
|
| Huh? They _are_ among the best. Disney is among Big 5 major
| movie studios. Lego is top 4 toy companies, largest by
| revenue among them. Apple is top-3 company in the world by
| market cap.
|
| Quality is very subjective, but the fact that you personally
| prefer Baulders Gate to Mario just shows that Nintendo plays
| it in a different niche, not that latter is somehow
| objectively worse / has less quality than the former.
|
| In my opinion, what sums up all these companies are the
| _things they don't do_ : - they don't focus
| on "power users" or similar niche segments, unless these
| segments gain enough popularity - they don't cater to
| cheaper segments of mass market - they don't build
| their business models around copying competitors - they
| don't delegate or outsource critical pieces of their value
| chain
|
| This is what leads to unique and pricey products that
| sometimes polarize general public. (Although personally I'd
| narrow Disney down to only Pixar in OPs list, due to Disney's
| poor fit with #3 and #4).
| Dig1t wrote:
| I don't agree that it's just marketing. I'm not saying their
| products are perfect, they certainly have flaws. But the
| maniacal focus on quality is palpable in their products.
|
| Play a Nintendo game start to finish, you will be very hard
| pressed to find ANY bugs or glitches. Like you have to hunt
| really hard to try to find them, they are usually an
| extremely polished experience. The same cannot be said for
| most other developers. I LOVE BG3, but it's certainly not as
| bug-free as a Nintendo game. Same with their hardware +
| system software, it never crashes, and has a very controlled
| "walled garden" feel.
|
| There's a reason people use the term "Disney-quality
| animation". Because it's extremely polished and looks miles
| better than the competition. Watch the Family Guy episode
| where the drew part of the episode in Disney style and you
| can see the difference in action.
| cuddlyogre wrote:
| > Because it's extremely polished and looks miles better
| than the competition.
|
| Disney's animation style is sterile and formulaic. It's to
| the point of uncanny valley and overacting.
|
| There's something to be said about how animation with tiny
| imperfections and errors improves the experience. Your
| brain is more ready to accept that it's seeing something
| fake rather than something failing to be real.
| sbecker wrote:
| Just to provide some counterpoint to the echo chamber here - as a
| Dad of a six year old who played with legos as a kid and again
| now, I can affirm - Legos and the sets they put out now are way
| cooler now than when I was a kid!
|
| You might worry that the less general purpose, specialized pieces
| might stunt creativity, but guess what!? The 6 year old has no
| problem taking them completely apart and building something off
| script.
|
| It's the olds who worry about keeping them all together and not
| losing the pieces so they can still make the thing on the front
| of the box. The kids don't care and will happily take it all
| apart and build things we never would have thought of.
| jansan wrote:
| Having two teenage boys I cannot confirm this. They play with
| other stuff, but Lego is for building once and putting it on a
| shelf, where it will collect thick layers of dust. My sons
| never really played with Lego, which I found a bit
| disappointing.
| Navarr wrote:
| I wouldn't say that it stifles creativity, but expands LEGO
| to people who don't want to be creative with it.
|
| You can treat it as a fun 3D Puzzle with step-by-step, or you
| can do whatever you want with it.
|
| Neither way is particularly "wrong"
| jansan wrote:
| It is not wrong, but it does not force the kids to be
| creative in a way it used to.
|
| I would rather buy some wooden trains and rails if my kids
| where young now.
| w0m wrote:
| you can always buy generic builder-part sets; they still
| sell them. Simply don't buy the overpriced kits.
| jacquesm wrote:
| You're free to take them apart and start making stuff with
| them. I'm pretty sure your kids would join in, mine certainly
| did. Sets should not be seen as holy and giving them a
| prominent display spot may be the wrong thing to do. For a
| week, sure, after that it's parts :)
| pbhjpbhj wrote:
| Oh no my friend, this is not allowed - "Dad, don't touch
| it; why did you add that piece; you're ruining it" "but
| you're not using it, it was just sitting on the shelf...".
|
| There's definitely a strong divergence. In part, for us I
| think it's driven by poverty, they want "the nice thing" to
| look at (all our own models are necessarily colour-
| mismatched). But I know others who have rooms full of
| prestige sets that are 'not to be touched'!
|
| Many on HN will be tinkerers who will take anything apart,
| that probably makes a difference too.
| dudul wrote:
| The new sets are more complex and detailed, _but_ god do I hate
| the franchised sets. Nothing kills kids creativity more than
| that. It 's not a pirate ship, it is Jack Sparrow's pirate
| ship. It's not a spaceship, it's Luke Skywalker's spaceship!
|
| Additionally, the quality of parts has seriously decreased
| since the 80s and 90s.
| yreg wrote:
| > Nothing kills kids creativity more than that. It's not a
| pirate ship, it is Jack Sparrow's pirate ship. It's not a
| spaceship, it's Luke Skywalker's spaceship!
|
| Why do you think so? I had a Hogwarts Express set and most of
| the time I didn't pretend for it to be the Hogwarts Express
| when playing.
| dudul wrote:
| Good for you. That's a data set of 1.
|
| I based that on empirical observation of my kids' friends.
| They don't make up stories, they just replay the star wars
| or Harry Potter movies. So I don't know, a dozen kids or
| so. I haven't done a nation wide study yet.
| rvba wrote:
| The "ecological" parts are no longer bulletproof. What is not
| ecological, but I guess they want you to throw away bricks
| and buy new ones.
| dudul wrote:
| I don't know, they have a service online to order
| replacements for lost or broken pieces for free. I use it 2
| or 3 times a year, they never question it and just ship the
| pieces.
| yreg wrote:
| No one in their right mind throws away lego.
| dragoncrab wrote:
| Totally agree.
|
| I always cry on the inside when I see those beautifully
| designed, symmetrical, detailed sets taken apart and tossed
| together to form the next ninja castle or whatever, but after
| all Lego is to be taken apart and my 6-8-9 year olds have no
| remorse in doing so.
| pbhjpbhj wrote:
| It's definitely variable, some children will not go off-script,
| others barely want to stay on script long enough to do the box-
| image build.
|
| Certainly in our house I (as dad) am more relaxed about playing
| with the stuff than building "the" model; that's fun too but
| you might as well use the Kragle if you're not going to mod it
| or tear it down and build something else...
| racl101 wrote:
| I remember when I had Legos I had to build whatever my mind came
| up with using the pieces available. We'd play with it. Then a new
| idea would pop in our brains about how to improve the design and
| we'd tear down and build back up only bigger and better. And if
| we got more legos or new pieces, suddenly so many new
| possibilities for designs. What a difference a few new pieces
| made.
|
| Now they feel like model Kits. My nephew asks for Star Wars
| Legos, or some other franchise based legos, builds whatever the
| structure is according to the manual, but then doesn't take it
| apart and it just sits on his book shelf. Never to be touched or
| rebuilt, even just for the heck of it. And why should he rebuild?
| It's like coding the same program out of a text book in exactly
| the same way. Been there done that.
| bombcar wrote:
| I think this is one of the _disadvantages_ of things like Star
| Wars Lego - you have something extremely well known to compare
| it to, and there 's not really a point in rebuilding it,
| because that's the "best it can be".
|
| Whereas my early sets, focused mainly around City, were nice,
| but I could build something else "City-like" out of them and
| not feel it was vastly inferior.
|
| But, I think a bigger part is just kids are different. Some
| like building and then leave it, others build it and it goes
| into the pile of Lego quite quickly.
| m3kw9 wrote:
| If you've played and feel knocked off legos, "f this sht" will be
| a phrased used over and over as you try to read and assemble it.
| Even the instruction are world class stupid
| dingaling wrote:
| I've built a couple of recent Technics kits and noticed a
| decline in the clarity of Lego's instructions.
|
| Instead of clearly showing the 'path' of each part in a step,
| that is how and where to connect it to an assembly, they now
| tend to show the assembly with the new parts attached. This
| leads to a game of 'spot the difference' with the previous
| step.
| kawogi wrote:
| I'm still mad that they discontinued Mindstorms. My school isn't
| able to replace their components if they break and I cannot get
| additional motors for my projects any more.
|
| Does anyone know how good their "LEGO(r) Education SPIKE(tm)"
| stuff is? Is it as open as the NXT-bricks? Are these somewhat
| compatible? Linux IDE available?
|
| I wish someone would offer a replacement for those who have a
| 3D-printer, rp2040 and some soldering experience. I'd help the
| school to re-stock their supply.
|
| Edit: 35 EUR for a 2 A USB power supply is definitely Apple-ish.
| And those peripheral connectors look like they're ... unique.
| Mindstorms just had standard RJ-something plugs.
| wwilim wrote:
| The original Mindstorms connectors were actual bricks, about
| the size of two stacked 2x2 plates
| kawogi wrote:
| Ah, yes. Should have been more specific: NXT and EV3
| joshmarinacci wrote:
| Spike is pretty good and seems just as open as NXT. You can
| even open a shell directly on the MCU brick in Python. Spike
| does use new connectors, but it's the same one they started
| using for all of the Powered Up sets. Plus there's lots of
| people who've figured out how to add arduinos, Pi's, etc.
| jacquesm wrote:
| Yes, they royally messed that up. But as to your query: there
| are nice alternatives, there is this board+library:
|
| https://gitlab.com/jmattheij/rekabit
|
| With a bit of fiddling and some 3D printed parts you're off to
| the races, controls two motors and four servos and has
| blinkenlights. You can use the board with the Micro:BIT but you
| can also use it with some fiddling with an arduino (renesas
| will probably work best) or a Raspberry Pi 2040. It also has a
| whole slew of 'Grove' connectors if you want to wire up more
| sensors and actuators and it exports the bus.
|
| I've added links to the 3D printed parts and some links to the
| originals on thingiverse, it took some modifications to get it
| all to fit nicely but it really works well. And those boards
| are pretty cheap.
| bgeeek wrote:
| Lego will always be cool to me. Without wanting to sound like a
| cliche, the only limit was your imagination when I was a child,
| before home computing. Forever grateful for those years.
| joshmarinacci wrote:
| While I have nostalgia and can talk about how I used to make
| amazing designs with fewer specialized bricks, the truth is
| modern Legos can do more and cost less (adjusted for inflation).
| My 12year old has built things that I couldn't do until I was a
| junior in college. We're just grumpy because we are old.
|
| I don't _love_ how Lego makes all of these specialty sets for
| grownups, but.. I 've bought some and enjoy it. Playing with Lego
| as an adult was weird in the 80s. Now there's whole clubs for it.
| I think it's a positive development.
|
| And finally, they are not the Apple. Nothing in Lego is locked
| down. I can 3d print my own bricks. Small companies make
| bluetooth motor addons. You can even get a Lego HAT for your
| Raspberry Pi. It's vastly more open than just about any other
| system.
| Libcat99 wrote:
| They cost less even before inflation. Here's a write up I did a
| few months back.
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/context?id=37657077
|
| As far as I can tell, Lego just keeps getting more affordable.
| ludgerpaehler wrote:
| Probably more like Apple before Steve Jobs returned and
| decluttered their offering.
|
| A few shiny gems of sets amongst a vast sea of overpriced,
| sometimes poorly designed sets often with color-mismatches, and
| way too many stickers.
| kazinator wrote:
| Lego is not the Apple of toys.
|
| People who have Lego in their homes also have tons of other toys.
|
| People who have Apple computers or mobile devices in their homes
| do not have tons of other devices.
|
| There are Apple households in the way that there aren't Lego
| households.
|
| Oh yeah, and there are cheap, Lego-compatible blocks out there.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lego_clone
|
| There used to be Apple clone computers in the 1980s; Apple wiped
| them out in a way that Lego has not been able to wipe out Lego
| compatibles.
| yreg wrote:
| Apple didn't wipe anything out. Hackintoshes exist.
|
| It is probably only a matter of time until macOS eventually
| drops Intel support, but we are far from there.
| kazinator wrote:
| They don't exist in the sense that you can walk into a brick-
| and-mortar computer store and buy one, or see it advertised
| in mainstream media, like was the case with Apple clones once
| upon a time.
| zubairq wrote:
| I do think that Lego innovates, so they deserve their top spot!
| WalterBright wrote:
| I wanted an Erector set. My mom thought the tiny bolts would be
| impossible for me, but I pressed for one and got one. Had a great
| time with it. What I liked about it was the creations were metal
| and looked like machines.
|
| The Lego stuff was all bright primary colored bricks. They often
| wouldn't stay together like a bolted Erector set creation. Lego
| was never for me.
| cuddlyogre wrote:
| Technic may have been more to your liking.
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