[HN Gopher] macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from th...
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macOS Sonoma 14.4 removes critical functions from the
fileproviderctl command
Author : luckman212
Score : 85 points
Date : 2024-02-04 15:53 UTC (7 hours ago)
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| zshrc wrote:
| HN is definitely going to remember that 14.4 is still in early
| beta.
|
| But Apple might forget about us and deliver broken software ONCE
| AGAIN
| FirmwareBurner wrote:
| Counting down till the commenters start telling everyone to
| switch to Linux. Not that I disagree with them.
| neilv wrote:
| https://www.debian.org/distrib/
| badgersnake wrote:
| Not much help if you've got an ARM Mac.
| Astraco wrote:
| You're welcome
|
| https://asahilinux.org/
| neilv wrote:
| Also: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Apple/M1
| hu3 wrote:
| https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/M3-Series-
| Feature-Su...
|
| A large list of things that don't work and are not even
| being worked on doesn't sound enticing.
|
| Things like HDMI, WiFi and Bluetooth don't work and are
| not being worked on.
| neilv wrote:
| For anyone who doesn't make using Apple hardware the top
| priority, might be a lot easier to just find more-open
| laptop hardware that you like, and use stock Debian atop
| that.
| winterqt wrote:
| M3 has only been out for a few months. Compare this to M2
| and M1, where mostly everything works just fine with
| Asahi: https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/M2-Series-
| Feature-Su...
| Astraco wrote:
| Then buy a M2 instead, or a Thinkpad or something.
| ByQuyzzy wrote:
| Why would you buy a proprietary computer if you don't
| like its matching proprietary OS? Just doesn't make
| sense.
| neilv wrote:
| Some people already have Apple hardware, or like the
| build quality or aesthetics it, or want the current fast
| CPU, or are single and think the Apple logo will let them
| pass as non-nerds in cafes.
|
| I suspect most people would be happier with more-open
| hardware, even an ordinary consumer laptop intended for
| MS Windows. But if the barrier is that someone wants to
| use an Apple laptop, we can work with that.
| behnamoh wrote:
| Because I want to own the hardware I buy, not be at the
| mercy of the company that made it.
| bitwize wrote:
| I use Void btw.
| wkat4242 wrote:
| It's what I did too (well, BSD, not Linux).
|
| I was just sick of Apple catering mainly to the rich consumer
| dicking around on Facebook and not to the more technical
| populace who wants to control what they own. I'm very happy
| to be off Apple, it really felt like a breath of fresh air
| and still does 3 years later.
| KennyBlanken wrote:
| It's not "broken." Apple has been increasingly hostile to
| "traditional" file servers (dropping AFP support - AFP is still
| superior to SMB both performance and compatibility-wise) and
| non-iCloud file sync services. They also disabled third party
| cloud syncing to folders on external drives fairly recently.
| I'm blanking but there were other changes in Ventura related to
| third party cloud sync, too.
|
| There's a reason your iPhone/iPad defaults, every fucking time
| you try to save a file, to iCloud storage and the "default
| storage location" option was removed from preferences.
|
| Apple is taking the "frog in the pot of boiling water"
| approach, slowly pushing everyone toward iCloud file storage,
| despite it being a dogshit service with numerous problems
| because the dev team are more interested in coordinating their
| nail color to their McLaren (I wish I was joking.)
| CharlesW wrote:
| > _There 's a reason your iPhone/iPad defaults, every fucking
| time you try to save a file, to iCloud storage and the
| "default storage location" option was removed from
| preferences._
|
| I assume you're right about Apple removing the preference,
| but I just shared a photo, picked "Save to Files" and it
| defaulted to Cryptomator. In case it's helpful to know, you
| can also turn off "iCloud Drive" as a Location.
| rzzzt wrote:
| From the macOS 13 thread by OP: > If you don't
| know what it is, and don't use it - it probably won't affect you.
| > > But some people use this tool to control and work with
| apps that use the > FileProvider API: such as Google
| Drive, OneDrive, Dropbox, ShellFish, etc.
|
| I feel like I'm covered by the first sentence, but still curious
| as to what can be controlled by the CLI tool portions.
| luckman212 wrote:
| One important thing for me was being able to fix broken cloud
| storage paths that had become out of sync for whatever reason.
| This was a frequent-enough issue for my users of Google Drive,
| and to a lesser extent, OneDrive that I had built some tooling
| around it into our MDM. This worked by calling the subcommands
| `fileproviderctl materialize`, `fileproviderctl domain remove`
| and `fileproviderctl evict` to clear these broken paths and
| restore the sync to a working state. No longer possible.
| jorvi wrote:
| It's kind of sad that even after 15+ years, no one has caught
| up to Dropbox. None of the other cloud providers do proper
| block-level sync, and I hear much less about Dropbox breakage
| than other providers.
|
| It does make sense because OneDrive, iCloud and Google Drive
| are tie-in services. If you use Microsoft 365 / Apple /
| Android you are "forced" to use them to gain access to
| certain features, meaning there is no competitive pressure.
| menschmanfred wrote:
| I'm not sure on what basis you came to your conclusion but
| I do not have my issues with OneDrive on Mac and gdrive on
| Windows for ages.
| solardev wrote:
| They mentioned a specific feature (delta sync) that not
| all providers support. Onedrive seems to after 2020, but
| I don't think Gdrive does.
|
| It doesn't matter if you're just syncing a bunch of small
| files (code, documents, images) but can make a big
| difference in bigger files (compressed archives, large
| media assets, etc.)
|
| https://www.cloudwards.net/block-level-file-copying/
| MikusR wrote:
| Google Drive used to, maybe still does keep versioning
| metadata in file names
| lttlrck wrote:
| Dropbox is still superior IMO. I have a Office365
| subscription but OneDrive can make a huge a mess with
| default settings if you aren't careful when you set it up
| on anything but a new machine. It's just less slick overall
| - plus I really want first class Linux support.
|
| I don't want to pay for two file storage systems though and
| the 3 host limit on Dropbox is a shame. Without it they'd
| be all but guaranteed to lock me in and I would (gladly)
| start paying again in a year or so for more space.
|
| Instead I switched to syncthing, which is great but not as
| nice.
| jbverschoor wrote:
| Yeah I have many different cloud storage subscriptions. And
| although I don't like Dropbox as a company due to the
| things they did, it is the only thing that really works,
| all the time.
|
| A "refuse" to "upgrade" to the fileprovider version, as I
| don't want stupid&slow functionality like iCloud Drive.
| MikusR wrote:
| OneDrive has had block level sync dor all files for 4
| years.
| KennyBlanken wrote:
| Syncthing not only does block-level sync, it does it in a
| distributed fashion.
|
| https://docs.syncthing.net/users/syncing.html
| gjsman-1000 wrote:
| 14.4 is beta. If betas can't be beta, they are pointless and
| Apple shouldn't bother releasing them.
| alberth wrote:
| I don't even understand what this comment means in this
| context.
|
| This isn't like a bug that was introduced in the beta, and
| betas are intended to help find bugs.
|
| This is functionality deliberately being removed, that is
| wildly known to break cloud storage software.
| jmull wrote:
| > I don't even understand what this comment means in this
| context.
|
| Not OP, but it means you should expect beta software to be
| broken and incomplete.
|
| How would you know this isn't due to a bug introduced in the
| beta? Seems as likely an explanation as anything else at this
| point, unless you have some inside information.
|
| A lot of things use a "plugin" organization, and if a certain
| plugin was missing -- say, due to bug leading to a failed
| compile, the tool would work fine but the functionality
| provided by the plugin would simply be missing. Not that I
| have any insight into this particular case, but just pointing
| out there are perfectly reasonable ways a bug could cause
| this.
|
| Also, I've personally disabled features in a beta release
| when I knew the feature was broken and it would cause long
| term issues if someone tried to use the broken feature (like
| data corruption). So it could be deliberately removed but
| only temporarily.
|
| Or maybe Apple just removed this to be dicks, IDK... But I
| don't think you do either, do you?
|
| If you do have inside info, can you let us know whyx this was
| removed?
| luckman212 wrote:
| It's not a "bug" - I ran `strings /usr/bin/fileproviderctl`
| on 14.3 and 14.4 and you can clearly see that the commands
| and their related helptext have been completely removed.
| viraptor wrote:
| I think Apple got themselves in that position. Features
| many people relied on did go away lots of times before.
| Basic things are broken and Apple doesn't care. (dtrace is
| broken in latest 2 major versions of the system, same for
| system settings search) At this point, if some
| functionality disappears, it's not totally unreasonable to
| expect that it's Apple being Apple.
| latexr wrote:
| The purpose of making a beta publicly available is so people
| outside the company can try it out, find what's broken, and
| report on it.
|
| That's exactly what's happening here. The poster found an
| issue, reported it to Apple, then commented on it publicly so
| others who depend on it could be made aware and also report it
| to Apple (they specifically say duplicate reports help).
| kjkjadksj wrote:
| 4 versions into the public release and they still haven't figured
| out how to let users reliably download wallpapers from their
| servers
| swozey wrote:
| LOL really? I'm behind on the wallpaper drama but a few weeks
| ago I installed something that downloaded all of the new Sonoma
| realtime HD whatever they're called wallpapers to a foler on my
| NAS so that all my android tvs could stream them as idle
| screens..
|
| It is like 60gb+ of data I didn't want that getting hammered by
| 3 different tvs because I have a limit.
|
| Also they're really not that interesting. I find them pretty
| boring to be honest and prefer Wallpaper engine by far.
| kjkjadksj wrote:
| Every few months I test to see if its still broken. It's kind
| of hilarious seeing scrappy startup-esque triaging of
| longstanding known issues from the crown jewel desktop os of
| a three trillion dollar company.
| swozey wrote:
| Yeah I am a huge OSX/macos fan that converted 10-12 years
| ago and every single job in my last 10+ years has given me
| a MBP so I know it almost better than linux or windows now
| (I've been an eng for both).
|
| Whatever goes on in the Apple MacOS meeting rooms every
| year lately is like, nothing that I could ever imagine in
| my wildest fever dream. Stage manager? Why do I still have
| 5 app packages "mounted" on my desktop after 3 years that I
| eject every few weeks and come right back? Webcam emojis
| with thumbs, cool. etc etc. That iphone webcam thing was
| cool for a week but i completely forgot about it until I
| wrote this.
|
| I can think of so many goofy bugs or weird MacOS
| idiosyncracies that just never get mentioned that we deal
| with. I've had SO many Macbook Pros, I have 3 M1s in my
| house right now and I have like 2x the amount of white
| chargers than I have of actual laptops nowadays and they
| all act exactly the same.
|
| When I wake up monday morning and bang on my keyboard no
| matter what version of OSX it is I have a 40%ish chance of
| it not waking up without me grabbing the laptop and opening
| the lid.
|
| 20 years later.
|
| Honestly, nowadays, windows is my "chill and relax" OS.
| It's windows snapping is amazing. I hate developing on it
| though, I did it awhile with WSL2 years ago and had many
| frustrations, like completely breaking my wsl vm somehow.
| WhereIsTheTruth wrote:
| Apple has hired people from Microsoft Windows's team or what?
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