[HN Gopher] Apple Vision Pro and ADHD
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Apple Vision Pro and ADHD
Author : dansalvato
Score : 89 points
Date : 2024-02-03 17:36 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| aredox wrote:
| Interesting observations. Like drugs, different technologies may
| trigger different excessive neurological reactions. It would be
| interesting to map that space.
|
| Will the Vision Pro trigger derealisation in schizoid/borderline
| people?
| cheschire wrote:
| 14 days seems like a ridiculously short trial period for a first
| generation device if Apple were really serious about this
| platform
| threeseed wrote:
| Apple's return policy is 14 days for all their products and is
| industry standard.
|
| Also I am not sure what the problem is that is unique to those
| with ADHD. The issues raised are the same for everyone.
| cbsmith wrote:
| > Also I am not sure what the problem is that is unique to
| those with ADHD. The issues raised are the same for everyone.
|
| The joy of ADHD is that issues that seem the same as everyone
| else's are often far more difficult/easy to manage.
| chipweinberger wrote:
| > industry standard
|
| Amazon is 30 days, and it has made 14 days look stingy this
| day in age.
| hnlmorg wrote:
| > Apple's return policy is 14 days for all their products and
| is industry standard
|
| A _de facto_ standard in the US.
|
| Some other countries have stronger consumer laws in place
| that define statuary return policies.
| Kluggy wrote:
| I think it's a pretty polarizing experience. Either you fall in
| love with it and go all in, or you don't and it's just not
| worth the squeeze. 14 days seems plenty of time.
| penjelly wrote:
| just short enough that the VR/AR novelty hasnt worn off until
| its over
| zmmmmm wrote:
| that's the real problem with these devices ... it has to
| actually get boring before you can tell if it's got real
| value or not. And that takes a long time precisely _because_
| the novelty is _so_ high and _so_ interesting. But it will
| happen and if you don 't have a use for the device after that
| you have blown a lot of money.
| barkingcat wrote:
| If you need more than 14 days, it seems a purchase upfront
| isn't the best idea to begin with. What would be better is to
| either borrow or rent it from someone/some place that already
| has one.
|
| Making a purchase is very different from getting one to try.
| Beyond a 14 days return policy, you start getting abuse from
| people trying to exploit the exchange policy.
|
| As many people say, 14 days is kind of a standard. Many
| companies have even fewer days so read the fine print before
| you buy. If you don't like the return policy, don't buy it.
|
| If you absolutely have to have one on Day 1 but don't feel 14
| days is sufficient, maybe evaluate why you need it on Day 1?
| Wait for some other people to have it in their hands, and the
| rentals/loans usually start a few weeks after launch.
| doytch wrote:
| I still find it quite odd that the west (or at least the US)
| has decided that we're entitled to a trial period with things
| we purchase. It's an incredibly wasteful practice and one that
| isn't at all common in a lot of other places on the planet. I
| know people who've moved to Europe who were in for a rude
| awakening when they tried returning things to the local shop
| just 'cause.
| wtetzner wrote:
| > It's an incredibly wasteful practice
|
| How is it more wasteful than keeping something you're not
| going to use?
| ahar083 wrote:
| A lot of lower end items are sent to the trash when
| returned. (Not items like an iPhone, which would be sold as
| referb models).
|
| The wastefulness comes from the fact that the barrier to
| purchase is pretty low, given the ease of return, so one is
| more likely to buy an item which may end up in the trash in
| 14 days (30 for Amazon).
|
| If I absolutely couldn't return a product (aside from
| defects), I'd not buy a lot of items in the first place.
|
| (I say this as someone who is guilty of plenty of
| "trials").
|
| I'm actually travelling through Japan right now, where one
| can visit a Yobadashi or Bic Camera, these stores are
| great, because all their tech is out and able to be played
| with, without explicitly getting assistance from a staff
| member. It's obviously not the same as bringing a camera
| etc into the field to test, but it goes a long way in
| deciding if something works from an ergonomic perspective,
| before purchasing it.
| kranke155 wrote:
| Huh? There are laws about being able to return items in the
| EU as well.
| iwontberude wrote:
| What you're saying doesn't make sense. Returns are common
| around the world. Source:
| https://www.statista.com/chart/27584/how-common-are-
| online-r...
| guptaneil wrote:
| This is something I am very curious about too. I'm kind of
| hopeful the fatigue and limitations imposed by Vision Pro will
| make my overall computer usage more intentional, similar to how
| wearing an Apple Watch and tossing my phone in my backpack made
| my overall phone usage when I'm outside more intentional. The
| Apple Watch is a pain to use for anything productive, and I
| appreciate that.
|
| The biggest question will be if it's _too_ much of a pain that I
| don't want to use it at all.
| spondylosaurus wrote:
| Do you think the "benefits" (strange to say, but I totally get
| it) of fatigue and limitations will diminish over time as you
| get used to the new hardware? Or if the hardware/software
| itself gets better?
|
| I just wonder if the friction imposed by a new tool--which, in
| this case, is a net positive--will become less noticeable and
| therefore less of a benefit. Compared to something like a
| smartwatch, which has impassable constraints no matter how much
| you get used to it, or even an e-ink screen.
| qwertox wrote:
| Won't it rather have the same effect a slow phone or laptop has,
| like driving you really mad at times? I think I might have that
| issue if everything is laggy, unless I'd like to sugarcoat a very
| expensive purchase of an otherwise "cool" device.
| Kluggy wrote:
| It doesn't come across as laggy, but... smeary? if I move my
| head to the side, everything smears for a little bit before it
| snaps back into focus. It's a bit rough for me to move around
| in, but I'm pretty sensitive to motion.
| joshstrange wrote:
| Smeary is the perfect word to describe it. Whereas I would've
| described my Meta quest 2 as laggy.
| zanecodes wrote:
| That sounds like the phenomenon known as display persistence:
| https://developers.google.com/vr/discover/fundamentals#displ.
| .. It's typically avoided by displaying images for a very
| short period, blanking them between frames and letting the
| eye and brain fill in the intervening time.
| dansalvato wrote:
| Things aren't "slow" in the sense that they're unresponsive.
| The UI actually feels great to use--it's a lot of fun, it's
| fluid, and it responds very well to my actions. It's just that
| I'm not as fast navigating apps on the Apple Vision Pro
| compared to using a mouse or a touchscreen. Frustration only
| occurs when trying to perform a certain action and getting a
| different result, which doesn't happen much for me (except in
| iPad apps with poor compatibility).
| joshstrange wrote:
| I completely agree on the extra overhead for opening new windows,
| and this authors thoughts on the pass-through quality. For myself
| I don't think I realized how much I just look around while I'm
| thinking or working on some thing else but the Apple Vision Pro
| makes that very obvious as things light up, expand, etc.
|
| I never used the iPad is anything more than a consumption device
| and as things stand right now I'm not sure if the apple Vision
| Pro is going to be more than that for me either. I wrote about
| this in my first impressions blog post [0], but what I really
| wanted was to use the Apple Vision Pro as a replacement for my
| computer monitors, it's just not there yet. I look forward to
| future revisions and I'm also on a 13 day countdown to decide if
| I want to keep this or not.
|
| [0] https://joshstrange.com/2024/02/03/apple-vision-pro-first-
| im...
| Swizec wrote:
| > I never used the iPad is anything more than a consumption
| device
|
| Same until I got the keyboard. Most of my iPads collected dust
| in a corner because I don't really do that much consumption.
|
| Then I got the Magic Keyboard and my iPad basically replaced my
| laptop. I use it for almost all my non-coding work. Even to
| give talks and workshops at conferences. The battery life is
| amazing, the form factor super convenient, and it fits on
| airplanes or in your lap perfectly.
|
| Nowadays my laptop mostly works as a desktop computer sitting
| in its dock hooked into a keyboard, monitor, and mouse. Useful
| only for very serious work.
| joshstrange wrote:
| That's something I still need to test in the Apple Vision
| Pro, connecting a keyboard to it. I used it with my laptop,
| which lets you use your keyboard with other Apple Vision Pro
| apps while it's connected, which was very nice, and I also
| broke out the magic trackpad to use with the Apple Vision Pro
| because scrolling got annoying after a while. The problem is
| what I want to do is write code and I want to do it using my
| IDE so doing that inside of the Apple Vision Pro isn't really
| possible unless I'm connected to my MacBook Pro
| jhrmnn wrote:
| Interesting, exactly the same experience here. I'm now
| contemplating getting a desktop computer again once my laptop
| dies.
| somewhereoutth wrote:
| But would it be fair to say that with the Magic Keyboard,
| your iPad has in fact _become_ a laptop?
| Swizec wrote:
| It's certainly almost as heavy.
|
| Unfortunately iOS is very nerfed compared to MacOS even
| though my M2 iPad probably hs more compute than my i9
| laptop.
| kfichter wrote:
| I also pulled the trigger here hoping to be able to replace my
| desktop setup. What were the key issues you were having that
| made you feel like it's just not there yet for that use case?
| joshstrange wrote:
| I cover some of this in my blog post, but mostly it came down
| to the text I was looking at would be sharp and easy to read,
| but anything in my peripheral vision would look a little bit
| blurry. I only gave it a quick test and today I'm planning on
| trying to write a new feature all in the Vision Pro to see
| how that goes.
| joshstrange wrote:
| After writing this I went to write a tiny new feature for
| my side project on the AVP. At first I couldn't get my AVP
| to connect to my MBP and I thought it might be because it
| was in clamshell mode. I opened up setting and clicked
| around a bit then it showed up on my AVP to connect to (I
| went to Control Center and clicked the button to connect to
| a MBP, it didn't prompt me. It did prompt me the other day
| when I had the laptop open).
|
| I started to write the feature but could feel the added
| friction and slowness. There was a little bit of input lag
| (moving mouse and feel like it wasn't moving as quick on
| the AVP), then I started getting an error from my backend
| in a place I hadn't touched anything. I very quickly took
| off the AVP to investigate with the "full power" of my MBP
| and external monitors.
|
| The text in the AVP is clear when you are looking at your
| code but moving your head "smears" the picture a bit and
| anything you aren't focusing on isn't clear. It would be
| workable and maybe I'd use it on a plane but never if I
| have my monitors available to me. I want to try again in
| the next few days but it's a decent way off from replacing
| my monitors.
| somewhereoutth wrote:
| I don't really get the computer monitor replacement argument -
| if you are _creating_ as opposed to consuming content (i.e.
| coding /designing/authoring), then you are going to need a
| rather better input medium than what a virtual keyboard/mouse
| will provide. And this better medium, whether keyboard,
| trackpad, mouse or something else, will be sitting on a desk -
| with your monitors! If you want more/bigger monitors, then go
| buy some with the $3499.
| grecy wrote:
| You can use any physical mouse/keyboard as input for the
| Vision Pro, including the ones built into your laptop.
| somewhereoutth wrote:
| I can see how 'authoring from your lap' with a laptop
| actually on your lap (while on the sofa - like I am doing
| right now) might benefit from bigger/multi screens instead
| of the tiny portal the laptop gives you, but as soon as you
| want to do something more complex probably you'll reach for
| your mouse, and perhaps a paper and pen/pencil (if you
| think with your hands). Thus to the desk you go, where all
| your monitors are anyway.
| grecy wrote:
| > _To sell the public that he achieved the dream of
| giving Ethiopia "access to sea"(which they already have
| access to)_
|
| Sure, but the vision pro offers "bigger" monitors that
| can fill your vision (if you want)
| joshstrange wrote:
| I can't speak for anybody else, but for me, I am happy to use
| a mouse, keyboard, and even my MacBook Pro. I just want the
| Apple Vision Pro to replace my monitors.
| zmmmmm wrote:
| I routinely use Quest 3 with Immersed to do "focused" work by
| switching to specific environments that I associate with that. I
| can also co-work in a room of 5 - 10 other people who are also
| doing that which generates a little bit of impetus to focus as
| well.
|
| I think if this becomes the only reason to keep the device, for
| sure explore some other options like Quest 3 and see if it's
| sufficient. It does a lot more things than a Vision Pro and costs
| so much less. It's pretty personal whether the resolution cuts it
| or you really need the quality of the Vision Pro or not, but it
| works for me.
| KronisLV wrote:
| I got a Quest 2 mostly for entertainment, but using it for
| productivity reasons is basically a no go for me, due to the
| lenses (blurry near the edges and some light streaks for any
| off-center text, not sure what the correct name for that is)
| and overall resolution (can't even have my actual 4 monitors
| present without having to make them so big that each takes up
| like 90 degrees of my field of vision).
|
| I feel like I really should have waited for Quest 3, not have
| gotten a Quest 2 because it was cheaper. Then again, I quite
| like the concept of VR and if some of the software wasn't so
| buggy (currently I need to run GPU drivers from 2020 for my RX
| 580, since the newer ones cause driver crashes), I can
| definitely imagine myself spending more time in VR! Except for
| eye strain and basically staring into super bright screens
| close to my face.
|
| Once I eventually get there, just chilling in space, with a few
| floating windows and getting some work done will be a pretty
| zen experience. Just have to wait a while until the hardware
| becomes more affordable.
| zmmmmm wrote:
| Yes Quest 3 is a completely different ball game to Quest 2 as
| far as this goes. Quest 2 resolution and lenses were
| completely unusable for me and Quest 3 is usable. But there
| are people that will say Quest 3 is unusable so you have to
| really try it.
|
| One thing it convinces me is that the resolution in Vision
| Pro is completely unnecessary for me. I need about 20% more
| resolution and I am done, after that other things are more
| important.
| ionwake wrote:
| Im sitting in England unable to test this.
|
| But I swear Im getting the vibe from preview videos that hand
| interactions with windows etc have what looks like a 100ms lag on
| them.
|
| Can anyone confirm if there is lag when moving objects around in
| this thing?
|
| Cos that would wear on any user fast.
|
| ( I hope it doesn't I'm really looking forward to this, Im just
| wondering if its as perfect interactionwise as iphones are )
| ianbutler wrote:
| Not in my experience, it's super smooth. There is clunkyness
| with actually selecting a screen when multiple things are
| layered however.
| crtified wrote:
| This is partly reminiscent of the oft-discussed broader lament
| (or advantage, if you prefer!) of the current state of the VR
| interface - the physical overheads, or baseload.
|
| Coming to terms with, not just the new advantages brought by VR,
| but also the new _constraints_ , the new annoyances and
| workarounds - especially prevalent at the cutting edge of tech,
| as we all know.
| dataangel wrote:
| Why every time a new technology comes out with crappy obvious
| limitations does somebody feel compelled to write a blog post
| trying to justify it as actually good? This is just somebody
| trying to talk themselves into keeping their $3,500 toy
| iwontberude wrote:
| Funny because I was saying "Yes! Yes! Yes!" to myself as I was
| reading. This author totally gets me and what I want out of AVP
| and it's the first time I am even seeing it written somewhere.
| hnthrowaway0328 wrote:
| Probably because we all want toys but need justifications so
| that wives don't get angry.
| saintlunaire wrote:
| Wives read HN and enjoy new technologies too, FYI.
| colechristensen wrote:
| The attention economy means that every time there's an
| opportunity, plenty of people will create attention grabbing
| responses with the common set of hot takes.
|
| Same goes for comment sections and any time people get the
| opportunity to do anything with a possible attention reward.
| I've taken to being conscious of the kinds of
| obnoxious/unhelpful/nitpicking responses when commenting in
| threads to try to discourage low quality responses.
| dansalvato wrote:
| Author here--you're not wrong, I've been a gadget enthusiast my
| whole life, and I deliberately left in the tone that I'm trying
| to justify owning an Apple Vision Pro, despite its flaws.
|
| I was also serious that the flaws are part of the charm for me,
| because it really does harken back to the "gadget age" of the
| 2000s. It takes me back to being 15 years old, wearing a Fossil
| Wrist PDA, trying to be productive with Palm OS using a
| fingernail-sized stylus. I really loved that sort of thing, and
| it's been really hard for me to recapture that feeling this
| past decade.
|
| AVP is a device that, so far, has brought me joy and makes me
| think about my relationship with technology. If not for the
| price tag, it would be a no-brainer for me to keep. But as I
| continue to mess around with the device, the price is
| constantly ringing in the back of my mind, making me want to
| justify it, even though I may not be able to in the end.
| jazzyjackson wrote:
| because the asymmetry of people who are curious and people who
| buy the new technology creates a demand for first impressions
| and think pieces
| globular-toast wrote:
| I don't even get why people spend money on this stuff. You're
| just paying an idiot tax because you're a sucker for marketing.
| Someone who waits, say, 5 years before getting something like
| this will get more enjoyment out of it at a fraction of the
| price. Or it will just turn out to be a silly gimmick and
| they'll save the time and money entirely. Stuff like 3D TVs
| come to mind. The "patient gamers" subreddit seems to agree
| with this thinking. You basically just delay your game of
| choice by a few years. Makes absolutely no difference to you
| except you save money and perhaps skip some disappointing
| titles.
| megablast wrote:
| Yes. It's crazy people Just don't wait 5 years.
|
| I assume You are being deliberately ridiculous?
| l33tman wrote:
| I find at least a little bit funny that it seems that
| completely new people now "discover" what you can do with VR,
| as if this hasn't been a thing for almost 10 years and
| certainly for the last 5 years (although with slightly lower
| resolution than with the AVP).
|
| But then again, it helps the entire industry that it apparently
| has reached a different audience this time who gets hyped
| again.
|
| I just wish there could be new use-cases than just the same old
| recycled use-cases like virtual monitors, watching movies,
| looking at how it is to stand on the moon, or virtual
| conferencing. Maybe there really are no killer VR apps, except
| beat saber :/
|
| Wasn't AVP supposed to be an AR headset? Or they just haven't
| really figured out what to do there? Now it's just a VR headset
| with passthrough, it isn't really "using" the external world.
| hnthrowaway0328 wrote:
| About the ADHD part: I don't know whether I have ADHD but I do
| lose focus quickly once I figure out how to solve a problem,
| before doing any implementation -- after all the implementation,
| however long it could take, is boring and uninteresting comparing
| to figuring out how to implement.
|
| So what if I get myself a Raspberry Pi 8GB and jumps into VSCode
| and VSCode only? Is it possible to make a VSCode "terminal" that
| only shows VSCode? OK let's make it more interesting: it also has
| network connection and the ChatGPT plugin for VSCode installed,
| so that I don't have to leave for another desktop to "find"
| something.
|
| What do you think?
| colechristensen wrote:
| On any Linux system you can have no window manager (or an
| extremely minimal one) and just start a single application on
| login. It's been a while since I've done that and most stuff
| has moved away from X11 now, but yes exactly what you want is
| possible. To log in and have nothing but a single application,
| no menus, no desktop, etc.
| mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote:
| I have the same problem, and sometimes I'll code with an ageing
| Thinkpad(just 8 gigs of ram on it and an i5 with pretty bad
| singe-core perf) on my couch, ssh into my desktop and run
| Emacs/vim that way. I still have a full environment on my
| Thinkpad, but the 13" screen means I don't always have my
| browser open(usually just the one terminal), and if I follow my
| impulse to open a hundred tabs of docs in a local browser, my
| system will slow down too much. Forces me to keep a clutter
| free setup to even get anything done!
|
| Definitely think your idea is worth trying for yourself.
| nickjj wrote:
| I think there is something about optimizing for comfort.
|
| I've had a standing desk for 8 or 9 years now and I stand
| probably 75% of the time. When I sit, my chair is not very
| comfortable but also standing isn't always ideal either. This
| is while also mixing in 2-3 walks or jogs through out the
| day.
|
| After working for ~8-9 hours in that environment and being up
| for 14-15 hours, sometimes when I'm in a vegetable state
| where I'm laying in bed watching a movie I feel highly
| motivated to work on something but I don't have a laptop and
| the thought of getting back up rarely wins.
|
| With that said, I'd say my most productive "programming
| thoughts" happen right as I wake up and am laying in bed. I
| often spend 15-20 minutes thinking about exactly how I'll
| solve something and then get to that during the day. This is
| for both work and personal projects.
| dansalvato wrote:
| It's well known that habits and mode of thinking change with
| environmental cues, and I find that extends to a digital
| environment as well. If you have a device that's distinctly a
| "work" device and you've only ever used it for focused work,
| then your brain will hopefully catch on and keep you within
| that mode of thinking a little bit more effectively.
|
| However, I find that with ADHD, a good "system" doesn't solve
| all my problems. There is then the fundamental problem of
| regularly using that system, which it turns out ADHD also makes
| a serious challenge. So, yes, good systems have tremendous
| value, but just prepare for the undertaking of staying
| committed to the system you've set up for yourself.
| pastorhudson wrote:
| I think it will be a lot of fun to build it and then because
| you built it you will be highly motivated to use it for a
| season. Maybe a few weeks. Maybe 6 months, but eventually it
| will will be boring too.
|
| I find pomodo style gorilla warfare works best for me. I tell
| myself I will work on the implementation for 15 minutes. If
| after 15 minutes I am still repelled by this task to the point
| I am unproductive, then I accept that, make necessary notes and
| do something else.
|
| I will try again tomorrow. Eventually I hit a point where I
| have done enough that I am motivated to continue to see it
| completed.
|
| I will do gorilla attacks on cleaning my office, writing
| marketing email, inbox zero, implementing some new feature. It
| works for me for a lot of things.
|
| When I am just unable to do what I'm "supposed" to do then I
| give myself grace and go do the thing that is consuming my
| attention at the moment.
|
| This "unproductive" stuff often becomes new ideas, new
| features, new friends, and brings meaning to my life.
| edyc5 wrote:
| As a fellow-sufferer of attention deficit, I am the same way.
| Once I've mapped out a solution, I mentally checkout and
| procrastinate on doing the actual implementation. One thing
| that's helped me is by practicing "Deep Work" by absolutely
| resisting any urge to check my phone during that 45 minute
| focus time (like pomodoro technique).
|
| Last month, I prototyped a desktop app of a blinking border to
| assist with getting into a "flow state", which has been pretty
| effective in keeping me focused for set durations for the past
| few weeks. Shared with a few friends who have also said it's
| helped them be more productive so happy to share these tools
| with fellow HN'ers.
|
| Email in my bio if you wanna give it a try before I launch it
| on App Store in the coming weeks.
| theGnuMe wrote:
| Yeah that would work, minimalism and artificial constraints are
| ways to help manage ADHD. The other thing to think about it is
| that your mental solution is probably wrong and won't survive
| implementation. Consider that a challenge to focus on.
| austin-cheney wrote:
| I am not convinced. First let's be clear that there is minor ADHD
| which is a world of focus issues and minor distractions, and then
| there is catastrophic ADHD which is like living through the movie
| Momento in a world where memories don't stick.
|
| I live in a household with catastrophic ADHD. I really have no
| idea what minor ADHD is like, but the last thing catastrophic
| ADHD needs is a gaming experience. A gaming experience is not
| going to cure the brain damage that causes people to require a
| minimum of 11 hours of sleep per day or misplace everything they
| own, including clothes, shoes, and wrist watches.
| lawrenceyan wrote:
| Have you tried meditation? I genuinely am asking.
| austin-cheney wrote:
| We have, but we didn't try enough types of medication to find
| an ideal fit. I suspect the right medication would be
| helpful. The more extreme the ADHD the higher the
| concentration of medication is required to achieve normal
| functioning which means high side effects.
|
| To understand the complexity of brain medication requires an
| understanding of the problem. For ADHD the problem is both
| dopamine and low serotonin. Dopamine is complicated and
| moderating for it has second and third order consequences the
| ill cannot see. Solving for serotonin is simple and the
| results are crystal clear. So it seems many of the
| medications attempt to adjust for both with various degrees
| of success. When a person with ADHD attempts to self medicate
| with drugs, stimulants, or bad food choices they are solving
| for serotonin up take and it doesn't work.
|
| Another problem with medications in high concentrations is
| body tolerance which eventually eliminates the value of the
| medication and medication can run out.
|
| Currently we are working through behavior modification of
| risk/reward. If you lose something you don't have it anymore
| so perform a deep dive on that emotional consequence to think
| of solutions and planning to address that moving forward.
| This is working but it's supremely and requires overcoming
| lots of adversity.
| wkipling wrote:
| I think they meant meditation.
| mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote:
| Have you tried strattera(atomoxetine)?
| mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote:
| Not the OP, but I also have catastrophic ADHD as they so
| eloquently put it.
|
| I've tried several techniques, that have had some minor
| initial success, but I just get bored and stop doing it.
| Which is also why I never became a better than beginner
| guitar player, properly filled out my opening repertoire in
| chess, finished almost any project I started, or did regular
| exercise. I just can't get myself to do boring repetitive
| tasks.
| jackvalentine wrote:
| I don't wish to be rude but why do you think the author needs
| to convince you of something regarding what sounds like a very
| different and difficult circumstance for you?
| mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote:
| Seems like they're just offering their perspective. I'm sure
| the author wanted other perspectives, seeing as they wrote a
| blog post about it, and then posted it here themselves.
| mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote:
| It's an interesting idea, but you can emulate this(lack of
| distractions) with some pretty simple configuration of your
| window manager, so it seems like a poor justification for buying
| a $3500 device in and of itself.
| boomskats wrote:
| > This has an interesting effect. I feel less inclined to
| mindlessly open and use apps, because it has become a
| fundamentally mindful gesture to do so.
|
| This is a really important point, but I don't think it requires
| $3500. Switching to an android phone and a portable split
| keyboard for most (non-programming) deep work resulted in a huge
| uplift in focus for me, and I really think it's because it made
| context switching more of a mindful, intentional act. These days
| I get way more focused writing done on planes/trains/cafes on 4
| inches of screen than I think I've ever done on my instant-
| context-switch-keyboard-shortcut-for-everything tiling wm laptop.
| edyc5 wrote:
| Working from home has been pretty difficult for me as a person
| with ADHD, everything is just so distracting that I actually went
| from 3 monitors to 2 monitors to now only just the laptop screen
| so that way I can force myself to focus. I can't imagine being
| productive with Vision Pro and it's "infinite" screens and
| infinite browser tabs. It would be productivity hell for me.
|
| Tho, I have been trying a few different techniques to get myself
| more focused such as deleting TikTok and forcing myself to keep
| my phone on Do Not Disturb., etc.
|
| I've even recently built an desktop app around the techniques
| described in this other HN Post here:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38274782 and using some
| techniques in Cal Newport's book "Deep Work" which has
| significantly helped me stay focused and get into a flow state
| much easier. I'm going to be launching this app soon in the App
| Store in the coming weeks. Would love to share my app with fellow
| HN'ers and get some feedback.
|
| Email in my bio if any one wants to give it a try.
| ChildOfChaos wrote:
| Interesting, for me working from home is a little easier
| because I don't have the distractions of the office. I get
| caught up in everyones conversation, so I end up being
| distracted every time someone else is doing something.
|
| I've never heard of anything like the concept mentioned in the
| linked article, what is your app? Is it going to be for MacOS?
| Have you found it useful?
| luxuryballs wrote:
| I can only imagine that over time this mindful clumsiness will
| give way to me feeling super bored and tweaked when I took off
| the device after I've become accustomed to YouTube videos and
| apps filling an otherwise empty ambiance around whatever I'm
| doing in normal space.
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