[HN Gopher] Ede - An Fltk based desktop environment (2014)
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Ede - An Fltk based desktop environment (2014)
Author : RalfWausE
Score : 87 points
Date : 2024-02-03 07:47 UTC (15 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (edeproject.org)
(TXT) w3m dump (edeproject.org)
| marttt wrote:
| This is really nice, thanks for sharing. Looking back, the
| obvious inspiration here, Classic Windows, was a remarkably good
| user interface. (Or, many people simply have a soft spot for it,
| because we used it for a very long time.)
|
| I imagine Ede would play perfectly with Tiny Core Linux [1] which
| has FLTK/FLWM as its default desktop system.
|
| 1: http://www.tinycorelinux.net/
| timeon wrote:
| > obvious inspiration here, Classic Windows
|
| Which was inspired by NextStep.
| marttt wrote:
| Thanks for the addition, apparently I'm too young to know
| this. Indeed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeXTSTEP#/media/F
| ile:NeXTSTEP_...
| LeFantome wrote:
| Windows is quite an explicit lift of the interface design
| guidelines specified by IBM as Common User Access ( CUA ).
|
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Common_User_Access
|
| CUA predates NeXT by quite a lot and so the influence would
| mostly be going the other way.
|
| CUA was the design paradigm chosen for OS/2, a joint project
| between IBM and Microsoft. When Microsoft started the Windows
| Project ( after OS/2 ) they pretty explicitly adopted CUA for
| it as well.
| asystole wrote:
| If you like this style of UI, check out serenityOS
| (https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity).
| drivingmenuts wrote:
| They all look the same to me. Perhaps the devil is in the
| details, but visually, they all look like Windows, except the
| ones that look like MacOS.
|
| The only system that doesn't look like either, that I can
| think of, is Plan 9.
| asystole wrote:
| Plan9 is certainly unique and opinionated.
| Nextstep/Openstep/WindowMaker and RiscOS are two others
| that come to mind.
| rglullis wrote:
| > built to have a familiar look and feel.
|
| Not familiar for anyone born after the 90's.
| sspiff wrote:
| Why so negative?
|
| Last release was 2014. Project is still hosted on SourceForge.
| Website copyright notice ends in 2018. Last commit to the
| github repo was 2018. Project front page mentions the original
| Xbox, Minix, and Zaurus (and early 2000s Japanese handheld
| organizer that ran Linux) and Solaris as targets.
|
| This should give you some idea of what time frame to view any
| claims from the website in.
| ReleaseCandidat wrote:
| > Why so negative?
|
| I don't see that as negative, but a remark that most younger
| people are not used to the look of Windows up to (and
| including) 2000. And the last time I personally used FLTK had
| been around 2000 too. Which, btw, (at least back than) looked
| more like Irix' 4DWM controls than Windows.
| anthk wrote:
| XP, Vista and 7 had a classic look mode. And from w2k's
| classic look to Vista the interface it's almost identical.
| Windows 8 and tablet UI's were disruptive.
| throwaway13095 wrote:
| Even my sister and brother, born in 2003 and 2009, have used
| computers with this UI style.
| noduerme wrote:
| Just wait. Ten years from now kids will be like, "wait, you
| can't wear it on your face?? What's a mouse? Why won't this
| computer just do what I'm thinking? Mom!!!"
| rglullis wrote:
| Last year I had a "oh, shit, I'm old" moment when I was
| talking with a 20-something year old who didn't know what a
| dial tone was. She never used a landline phone.
| timeon wrote:
| > you can't wear it on your face?
|
| VR feels more in tune with retro-futurism.
| bitwize wrote:
| "That's like a baby's toy!"
|
| https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KMy1zO8m8sM
| rglullis wrote:
| Your siblings are probably outnumbered 1000:1.
| asystole wrote:
| source: just trust me bro
| anthk wrote:
| Well, WIndows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7 and maybe Gnome 2
| fit on that UI.
| rglullis wrote:
| I wouldn't put anything after Windows 2000 on the same
| category as this. And how many people got to be introduced to
| computers in their teen years via Gnome 2?
| anthk wrote:
| Most widgets are the same under a different style, such as
| the UI from Be and today's Haiku. Even KDE3. Smartphones
| and tablets are a different beast altogether.
| marttt wrote:
| React OS probably also has the Classic Windows look
| available. They seem to have switched their main screenshots
| to something resembling Windows 10, though:
| https://reactos.org/gallery/
| bowsamic wrote:
| I doubt people born after the 90s are the target audience
| mhd wrote:
| To be fair, if you're young enough, nothing is familiar
| anymore, because that's no longer a goal for UIs.
| ZoomZoomZoom wrote:
| It would be so nice to read how that ancient Windows interface
| looks just like Serenity OS some day!
| ReleaseCandidat wrote:
| Regarding FLTK: was originally done by Bill Spitzak (who
| obviously has used IRIX/4DWM), now famous for Nuke
| https://www.atogt.com/askoscar/display-person.php?id=74125&v...
|
| https://spitzak.github.io/
| mhd wrote:
| And it was based or at least inspired on the previous XForms[1]
| toolkit - the one with way too many bevel shapes for buttons
| etc., not the XML thing. Probably at least partially done
| because XForms wasn't open source, and to provide a more
| "modern" C++ API.
|
| Meanwhile, XForms has been open-sourced, but FLTK being in a
| different language and having evolved a bit since its creation
| didn't suffer from the problems Lesstif had and is standing on
| its own rather well. And despite being C++, it pops up rather
| often when you're looking for GUIs with decent language
| bindings (e.g. for Lua or Rust). Probably because it's less a
| moving target than Qt or, heck, Gtk.
|
| 1: http://xforms-toolkit.org
| hawski wrote:
| Related: Xfce originally stood for "XForms Common
| Environment".
| anthk wrote:
| Yep, later used GTK and then it was totally libre. Also, up
| to the 4.2? releases XFCE with XFFM was uber fast.
| ReleaseCandidat wrote:
| See https://www.fltk.org/doc-1.0/intro.html#2_1
| rollcat wrote:
| Rakarrack <https://rakarrack.sourceforge.net/> has a GUI
| written in FLTK. It was my earliest adventure with guitar
| effects and DSP (ca 2008); it ran on a potato laptop and still
| kept up, which made the whole setup actually viable for
| spontaneous jam sessions at other people's places.
|
| Good times.
| LeFantome wrote:
| FLTK is still under active development and claims to be adding
| Wayland support in the next release. Last release was December
| 2023.
|
| EDE itself though looks like a dead project. I would not expect
| this to survive the jump to Wayland.
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