[HN Gopher] US investigation of Tesla steering problems is now o...
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US investigation of Tesla steering problems is now one step closer
to a recall
Author : pg_1234
Score : 51 points
Date : 2024-02-02 21:46 UTC (1 hours ago)
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| phkahler wrote:
| One thing about self driving cars is they need the ability to
| command the electric power steering system. I worked in EPAS for
| 6 years and it was a big deal when customers started wanting to
| do that due to liability. My guess - and it's only a guess -
| would be that some situation is leading to normal epas operation
| getting disabled but self driving not enabled. Not sure whose
| steering gear they use.
| fortran77 wrote:
| A few times I've seen a message in my car (I have an "S" and a
| "Plaid", neither of which are in this recall) that the power
| steering may not be operating properly. But despite the message,
| it never felt any different. The message just disappeared and I
| never worried about it after that...
|
| > Also emerging on Friday, Tesla is recalling nearly all of the
| vehicles it has sold in the U.S. because some warning lights on
| the instrument panel are too small.
|
| What warning lights on the instrument panel? Is this just a
| software update to the LCD display?
| FireBeyond wrote:
| Warning lights/icons on the display being too small/subtle
| seems very on-brand for Tesla. Musk was willing to just eat
| fines over the aesthetics of the airbag warning on sun visors
| (which I admit I personally despise).
| fortran77 wrote:
| One thing that bugs me is "red" appearing on the dashboard
| for things that aren't warnings -- like album or podcast
| cover art. I still get distracted when I see something red
| show up, and then look to realize it's the "Commentary"
| podcast logo, or something like that. I think that red should
| be reserved for something that needs immediate attention, and
| that album cover art shouldn't be on the dash.
| denysvitali wrote:
| > Is this just a software update
|
| Yes, most likely - but "recall for every vehicle sold in the
| U.S" gets you more clicks.
| alistairSH wrote:
| Recall in this context means the government (NHSTA usually)
| has decided a fix is required. OTA or in-person doesn't
| matter - what matters is the legal obligation of the
| manufacturer to provide a timely safety update.
| parl_match wrote:
| Recall is an industry term with a specific regulatory and
| safety context.
| Rygian wrote:
| Most of the time, these "recalls" are OTA software updates. My
| guess is that the word "recall" is necessary wording but
| doesn't imply anymore a mandatory physical fix on the car.
| Veserv wrote:
| The meaning of the word "recall" has been eroded. At this
| point we would be better served by renaming it to a more
| descriptive term.
|
| Dangerous defect notice.
|
| "Initiated safety recalls require a manufacturer's action to
| announce and remedy the defects.
|
| A recall is issued when a manufacturer or NHTSA determines
| that a vehicle, equipment, car seat, or tire creates an
| unreasonable safety risk or fails to meet minimum safety
| standards."
|
| So to rewrite the prior example: Tesla issued a dangerous
| defect notice on all of the vehicles it has sold in the U.S.
| because some warning lights are too small to meet minimum
| safety standards.
|
| https://www.nhtsa.gov/recalls
| alistairSH wrote:
| Recall is a term of art in the automotive safety world, as
| you just posted. It isn't eroded - if the government
| decides the fix has to be applied, that's a recall. Whether
| or not the fix is OTA doesn't play into the classification
| as a recall.
| Veserv wrote:
| I am aware it is a term of art and that the nature of the
| fix is independent of the presence of a dangerous defect
| requiring prompt remediation i.e. a recall.
|
| Unfortunately, lay understanding of the term results in
| objectively wrong statements like, "it is just a OTA, how
| can it be a recall". We would be better served if NHTSA
| replaced the term with a descriptive alternative that
| better communicates the intent and nature of the term.
|
| I suggest: "dangerous defect notice" as it is
| descriptive, unambiguous, sufficiently alarming, and
| clearly indicates it is a property of the product instead
| of the remediation.
| natch wrote:
| [delayed]
| ofslidingfeet wrote:
| Hopefully if there's some actual problem with the steering,
| they'll get a break from all the politically motivated government
| persecution long enough to fix it.
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