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Stack Overflow: 79% of Developers Considering a Career Move
Author : bytearray
Score : 26 points
Date : 2024-01-28 19:13 UTC (3 hours ago)
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| billy99k wrote:
| This tells you something: It's shitty everywhere and moving
| employers will most likely just get you a new set of problems.
| blisterpeanuts wrote:
| In today's climate, I would advise people not to change jobs
| unless it's an outstanding opportunity.
| x86x87 wrote:
| No. This is backwards. Peoplw should change jobs and should
| optimize for better working conditions and fair treatment.
| Super talented people should do it right now. The time for
| loyalty is over!
|
| The corpos will never change their ways unless they are
| literally bleeding talent and money.
| billy99k wrote:
| "Peoplw should change jobs and should optimize for better
| working conditions and fair treatment"
|
| I get that we need this, but now is not the time to do it.
| It's an employers market and when you leave your current
| job, there will be 100+ applicants waiting to replace you
| and you will have just as much competition finding your
| next job.
| x86x87 wrote:
| You find your next job and after that you move. Yes, it's
| tough, but the whole RTO debacle allowed corpos to show
| their true colors.
| hypothesis wrote:
| What makes you think that employers are not looking to
| replace everyone right now? It would make sense to me if
| there are 100x replacement queue, presumably desperate to
| accept lower pay, right now. All the more reasons to make
| a move if you can.
| mvdtnz wrote:
| In my experience, if you have a decent tenure in an
| organisation where institutional knowledge trumps
| documentation (a dysfunction, but a common one) then
| you're not likely to be forced out and replaced with
| someone cheaper. That institutional knowledge has value.
|
| > All the more reasons to make a move if you can.
|
| So that you too can be one of the job seekers "desperate
| to accept lower pay, right now"?
| billy99k wrote:
| ok, make your move. Reddit is filled with people that
| thought this way and are now have been unemployed with no
| job in site or were forced to take a job at reduced pay.
|
| Like waiting in the stock market, I would make my move
| when it's an employees market. This way, you actually
| have some negotiating power.
| nightowl_games wrote:
| Having low seniority in a company makes you more likely to
| be laid off if layoffs happen.
|
| Source: I switched jobs at the end of 2019, got a 30% pay
| bump, then got laid off 3 months later.
| photonbeam wrote:
| Not necessarily, a longer tenure person can easily get
| put on the list just by being mildly disliked by the
| person writing the list.
| nightowl_games wrote:
| Youre right, being highly disagreeable has its downsides.
| Ancalagon wrote:
| Well duh. It's shitty everywhere. Might as well keep my options
| open and do shitty work for more pay at the next place.
| blisterpeanuts wrote:
| I'm just one data point, but after quitting a 12-year position
| writing RFID related apps, I'm raising chickens and writing.
|
| There are no jobs for me; even for positions that totally align
| with my skills, the employers express no interest. For one thing,
| they get hundreds of applicants per posting. For another, DEI.
|
| One nice thing--my old employer is hiring me back on a consulting
| basis. Meanwhile, I'm retraining and looking into side hustles,
| AI-related opportunities, manufacturing (a lifelong interest).
|
| Technology as a career is not dead, but it has significantly
| downsized and is no longer a guaranteed job.
| pylua wrote:
| I could see a future where people switch to other white collar
| jobs like accounting, law, and engineering. Software skills
| will come in handy here.
| FirmwareBurner wrote:
| _> For another, DEI._
|
| What is DEI?
| theshackleford wrote:
| The boogeyman they can conveniently blame for all their
| problems.
| ReptileMan wrote:
| Well ... people start to learn the ropes of crybulling. A
| lot of people exploit for decades racism as "The boogeyman
| they can conveniently blame for all their problems." So it
| is not unusual for others to join the party of being
| victims as well.
| mvdtnz wrote:
| Diversity, equity and inclusion. In extreme cases, this is
| affirmative action. Hopefully in most cases it means hiring
| managers keeping an open mind and checking their biases when
| comparing candidates of differing genders and cultural
| backgrounds.
| FirmwareBurner wrote:
| Is this that US thing I heard about where women and
| minorities of color get hiring priority over white men?
| g00gler wrote:
| > There are no jobs for me; even for positions that totally
| align with my skills, the employers express no interest.
|
| I often wonder who they have working there and applying that is
| so much better than me they won't grant me an interview. I've
| always been a top performer so it's really quite puzzling.
| swagasaurus-rex wrote:
| Many positions are not actively hiring. I've been applying on
| linkedin and the same positions are reposted weekly for
| months on end, never getting taken down and never getting
| replies.
|
| They're cluttering up job boards because so few roles are
| available.
| timeagain wrote:
| Top performers are divas. Much better to have an average
| youngster who can be more readily abused.
| happytiger wrote:
| This seems more like a social commentary about job satisfaction
| for the career at almost 80%, but I suspect the pattern of
| movement that the "only way to get a significant salary upgrade
| is to switch jobs" is the secret pressure. There are a LOT of
| disincentives to moving right now, especially with coast housing
| stock being at record cost _and_ such low levels. Add to the fact
| that employers seem to be having a great time laying everyone
| off, and you have a powder keg for dissatisfaction.
| twojobsoneboss wrote:
| Even if you can find a sw Eng job, salaries have dropped to
| ~2019-2020 levels
|
| Factor in inflation since then and it's a huge effective pay
| drop
| beer_backwards wrote:
| my two cents (from personal experience): Getting money when you
| are from low SES is not that stimulating, because the money is
| inevitably spent on mundane purchases: i.e. buying a new pair of
| school shoes or school supplies, or beef instead of chicken for a
| meal that week, or fixing your car.
|
| If that money would be able to be spent on anything that the
| child desired, then I am sure that even a lower-SES would be more
| excited.
|
| I fundamentally believe that the higher-SES you are, the more
| agency you have (especially financial), where lower-SES are in
| constant survival mode. It is hard to get excited by small sums
| of money when you know that it will just be immediately spent on
| boring things.
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