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A ghostly radio station that no one claims to run (2020)
Author : throwup238
Score : 191 points
Date : 2024-01-24 19:15 UTC (3 days ago)
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| Scoundreller wrote:
| (2020)
| rkagerer wrote:
| Better take some recordings to play back in case the "Dead Hand"
| theory is correct.
|
| Could be a movie idea for a post-apocalyptic world where one
| crazy old nerd living in a trailer has been holding off
| annihilation and looks for someone to pass the torch to before he
| dies (reminiscent of Deccan Ribobe in Pratchett's Moving
| Pictures).
| dtx1 wrote:
| Interesting thought. That would be a very good Argument against
| the dead Hand. I wonder why its not beging jammed also
| aidenscott2016 wrote:
| The buzzer and its colleagues are being actively jammed as we
| speak
|
| https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z3fgJCJ_daE
| fifilura wrote:
| They are also transmitting codewords one or twice per week. A
| trivial part of the dead hand protocol would be to verify
| that the codewords progress according to schedule or the
| determined order.
| rkagerer wrote:
| Yeah, akin to one-time pad encryption.
| ethbr1 wrote:
| > _one crazy old nerd living in a trailer has been holding off
| annihilation and looks for someone to pass the torch to before
| he dies_
|
| _LOST_?
| RadiozRadioz wrote:
| Aye, brother
| jdietrich wrote:
| The dead hand theory is almost certainly incorrect, because the
| transmission is fairly unreliable and regularly experiences
| technical faults or goes off the air entirely.
| collegeburner wrote:
| time delay. would have been silly to build a system that
| triggers instantly, seeing as a geomagnetic storm or whatever
| would initiate nuclear annihilation
| liamwire wrote:
| Sure, but how do you balance the time between that needed
| for recovery from a Carington-level event, and leaving it
| too long such that the adversary has taken out your silos
| and subs?
| yard2010 wrote:
| I would speculate it's not a one part scheme. First, a
| network of international spies would surface, then they
| could do whatever, even use the enemy nuclear weapons
| against them
| rytis wrote:
| > The Carrington Event was the most intense geomagnetic
| storm in recorded history, peaking from 1 to 2 September
| 1859 during solar cycle 10. It created strong auroral
| displays that were reported globally and caused sparking
| and even fires in multiple telegraph stations.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrington_Event
| pi-e-sigma wrote:
| The whole point of having subs is that they are meant to
| be stealthy and survive the initial strike. If you took
| them out it's game over and the dead hand system is
| useless.
| collegeburner wrote:
| the soviets had and the russians have survivable second-
| strike capability
| closeparen wrote:
| You'd hope there would be multiple transmitters that have to
| go dark (and confirmation from multiple receivers that
| they've in fact done so).
| hackernewds wrote:
| isn't that just the plot of Pirate Radio
| BobbyTables2 wrote:
| Could this be for time synchronization?
|
| Cheap alarm clocks just use the AC power as a known good
| oscillator.
|
| What if the Buzzer were simply a wireless version of this?
| (Instead of exotic atomic clocks or OXCOs)
|
| I'm not saying this is technically a really good idea, but as a
| cheap, fairly low-tech solution -- why not ?
| winrid wrote:
| It's a neat idea but it's most likely just a marker so nobody
| else uses the frequency.
| crote wrote:
| Russia has half a dozen WWVB-like shortwave radio time signals
| which would be far more suitable for that purpose.
| callalex wrote:
| There are already vastly better, available worldwide time sync
| radio signals that are fit for this purpose.
| eimrine wrote:
| The frequency is similar to those which are typically being
| used for that kind of task (Germany has shut down one of the
| biggest time sync radio station recently).
|
| For me it seems like a test for a wave pass, I mean if you want
| to send a message to some submarine via radio wave but have
| some hesitation whether the message reach the receiver, no
| callbacks are allowed for obvious reasons.
| kazinator wrote:
| > _It is thought to be the headquarters of a radio station,
| "MDZhB", that no-one has ever claimed to run. Twenty-four hours a
| day, seven days a week, for the last three-and-a-half decades,
| it's been broadcasting a dull, monotonous tone._
|
| That takes wattage. Someone pays the electricity bill. Follow the
| money and you have the operator.
| mattlondon wrote:
| Follow the money in Russia? Good luck with that - it is
| notoriously corrupt.
| ThePowerOfFuet wrote:
| This is the military. There is no bill.
| kvakvs wrote:
| There is a bill, it is paid, too. Russians leave a LOT of
| papertrail on all their operations, including military and
| secret service, you just can't always see (aren't allowed to
| see) the papers.
| kazinator wrote:
| So you've solved it.
| winrid wrote:
| I love the comment on the video pointing out that the sound
| started as a beep and has gotten drawn out over the years.
|
| Some old machinery in a closet somewhere slowly failing. Wonder
| if it's some worn out capacitors in the noise generator or an old
| tape reel (latter doesn't seem reliable enough IMO).
| JohnMakin wrote:
| I must cry foul on the "dead man switch" theory (dead hand). I
| think maybe in 2020 pre-ukraine war it would have been plausible
| to imagine the russian military could maintain such an elaborate
| system out of the ashes of a crumbling soviet era, but it seems
| like their nuclear infra is likely crumbling if their main
| military force in ukraine is any indication.
|
| Given the fact as well this signal routinely goes offline, seems
| very debunkable.
| ndiddy wrote:
| The article is being a bit overly mysterious. The radio station
| exists as part of a Russian military communication network.
| Here's a website that documents the communication format and logs
| messages: https://priyom.org/military-stations/russia
| mdhb wrote:
| They aren't in anyway exclusively Russian for the record but
| the Russians might be one of the last to still be using them in
| practice though.
|
| Not because it doesn't work but because it requires the end
| user to have access to specialist equipment which is quite
| unusual and hard to explain away and there are other ways to do
| the same thing that don't have the same limitations.
|
| But just to be clear for anyone not familiar with this, what
| you're hearing is the a message that was encoded using a one
| time pad and the reason it's delivered in this quirky format is
| that it has certain properties that are ideal for clandestine
| work in dangerous areas where you need to pass a message over
| an open channel but you need to make sure that if anyone
| intercepts the message there is no information in there that
| will give any clues to the contents of the message or the
| intended recipient (I.e this second property is why encrypted
| email for example isn't a suitable replacement).
|
| Beyond that there isn't really anything that special about it.
| They are the two properties it provides and that's the message
| it's delivering.
|
| By way of a final example another famous one might be taking an
| ad in the classifieds section of a newspaper back in the day.
|
| The end user knows where to look and what message they are
| looking for but nobody beyond the sender and the recipient know
| that the ad is even a message with another meaning to begin
| with, unlike the numbers station example however, that wouldn't
| be appropriate for sending key material or an OTP encoded
| message (it needs to be random data) or anything beyond a very
| simple and low bandwidth message (I.e the operation is ready to
| start).
| metaxy2 wrote:
| It really highlights the amazing security level of one time
| pads, that they can be comfortably doing secret announcements
| on a public radio channel with provably perfect security.
| (Assuming an adequate PRNG--for such small messages they
| could easily be using a hardware PRNG; I wonder.) Only issue
| is that you have to have all of your recipients keep track
| (and not leak) a pad that is at least as long as the data you
| intend to send.
| mdhb wrote:
| Some other properties one time pads that might be less well
| known but are obvious when you think about them in the
| context of their use case.
|
| They are very cumbersome to use in real life, encrypting
| and decrypting is done by hand, it's error prone as a
| result and very slow. Nobody likes using them at all.
|
| The part you mentioned about the keeping track of and not
| leaking it also isn't really an issue so much in reality.
|
| What you hear on the radio isn't actually that sensitive on
| its own hence why it's happily sent in the clear without
| the key material to decipher it.
|
| The pads themselves are however highly guarded secrets,
| usually passed along via a dead drop, only ever exposed to
| the minimum of people and designed to be very easy to
| destroy quickly and are a bit flimsy as a result.
|
| But destroying the pad is a part of the whole "how to
| receive a message securely" process that they go through so
| it never exists to be used as evidence beyond the time that
| it's actually useful.
|
| Also the people handling them are highly trained and
| trusted individuals who are extremely motivated to be very
| sensible while working with them as the entire reason you
| would use a method like this in particular is usually
| because you will be tortured and shot if discovered.
|
| This is ironically also why it doesn't make sense usually
| for that person to have access to and know how to use a
| shortwave radio. If you get caught with that equipment your
| fate might be the same either way.
|
| Some fun trivia: the British as far back as the 50s I
| believe did have some success where they had developed a
| system that allowed them to essentially use direction
| finding techniques but for radios that were tuned to a
| specific frequency even if they weren't transmitting. It
| was known as Operation Rafter and is on Wikipedia.
|
| One more example I'll throw out there if you want to read a
| cool story is an account of how the ANC (the political
| group associated with Nelson Mandela) developed their own
| covert communications system with a lot of similar
| properties when they were trying to overthrow the apartheid
| government in South Africa during the 80s and 90s.
|
| It's a great read https://omalley.nelsonmandela.org/index.p
| hp/site/q/03lv03445...
| ezconnect wrote:
| I think the British also invented a way to discover non
| paying public TV broadcast receiver driving around in van
| with the equipment.
| actionfromafar wrote:
| Maybe THAT is the reason why there is so much hush-hush
| about the detector vans?!
|
| If they used a technique which essentially was considered
| military secret not too long ago. (Compared to the time
| when the vans started to appear.)
| mike_hearn wrote:
| Supposedly the detector vans were a myth. A few appear to
| have been built, but they were essentially useless after
| 1950 as the interference from car ignitions started to
| become more of an issue. But the public didn't know that
| and the idea of it worked wonders for compliance. The BBC
| ran campaigns that implied huge fleets of them, but maybe
| there were only a few in reality.
|
| At some point the BBC were forced under FOIA to admit
| they'd never prosecuted anyone using evidence from
| detector vans.
| MOARDONGZPLZ wrote:
| > The pads themselves are however highly guarded secrets,
| usually passed along via a dead drop, only ever exposed
| to the minimum of people and designed to be very easy to
| destroy quickly and are a bit flimsy as a result.
|
| One other note here is that OTPs don't have to be
| distributed in this manner. An OTP can use something
| already distributed and readily available to end users,
| such as a Gideon Bible or something (making sure to get
| the right edition, printing, etc) that everyone in a
| hotel room has access to. The key is having access to
| something, making sure it's long enough for the series of
| messages to be encoded/decoded, and that no one else
| knows what it is.
| mdhb wrote:
| I'm not actually a crypto guy and I know of stories where
| people have done this in serious environments (check the
| link I posted above for an example) but my understanding
| is that non random letter distributions like you will
| find in a book for example will potentially change the
| level of security you can expect from a OTP substantially
| against a sophisticated enemy and as a result the
| randomness is actually very important regardless of key
| length.
|
| I might be wrong, it's not my area of expertise.
| MOARDONGZPLZ wrote:
| Oh yes, very true. An OTP must have particular properties
| that words in a book don't have to be provably secure.
| However, common materials that the communicators have
| access to without specific distribution can be useful for
| OTPs in their own way (though not provably secure).
|
| Good clarification.
| less_less wrote:
| > An OTP must have particular properties that words in a
| book don't have to be provably secure. However, common
| materials that the communicators have access to without
| specific distribution can be useful for OTPs in their own
| way (though not provably secure).
|
| Using a passage from a book directly as an OTP is not
| secure at all. It's similar to the result of reusing an
| OTP: it gives an attacker two messages in (e.g.) English
| whose sum (using a book as an OTP) or difference (reused
| OTP) is known. Since the entropy of English is around a
| bit per character (more or less), and the deltas reveal
| almost lg(26) ~ 4.7 bits per character, knowing the sum
| or difference can determine most of the contents of the
| message in either case.
|
| Reading every n'th letter in the book is probably
| marginally harder to break, but I still wouldn't rely on
| it for anything serious.
| uclibc wrote:
| Instead of using every n'th letter, how about using a
| pseudo random number sequence generated by a simple math
| equation, like the one posted here a few days ago[1], and
| add that to every letter. With that the data should be
| shuffled basically beyond recognition though the effort
| needed to decode has increased even more.
|
| [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39091867
| Izkata wrote:
| The way I've seen it used in TV shows, there'd be a
| number somewhere (embedded, or day of month the message
| was sent, etc) that indicates what page of the book to
| use.
| rtkwe wrote:
| What you're describing is a book cypher and is a separate
| thing from an One Time Pad. They can be fairly secure but
| they're not inherently as secure as one time pads.
| rawling wrote:
| > They are very cumbersome to use in real life,
| encrypting and decrypting is done by hand, it's error
| prone as a result and very slow. Nobody likes using them
| at all.
|
| There's no need for that to be true.
| mdhb wrote:
| Don't worry, it largely hasn't been for a very long time.
| zeristor wrote:
| I guess posting a specific message on Twitter does similar to
| a classified ad.
| marginalia_nu wrote:
| Twitter has the undesirable property that it's possible to
| find who is looking at a particular tweet (or user), unlike
| broadcast mediums such as radio or magazine classifieds,
| which present a much larger haystack.
| mdhb wrote:
| A lot of botnets work this way where they will use
| something like Twitter or Reddit as a command and control
| channel but not a thing you would want to rely on if being
| identified might mean your life.
| dabber wrote:
| > A lot of botnets work this way where they will use
| something like Twitter or Reddit as a command and control
| channel but not a thing you would want to rely on if
| being identified might mean your life.
|
| For example, comments on Britney Spears' Instagram page:
| https://arstechnica.com/information-
| technology/2017/06/russi...
| saati wrote:
| A shortwave radio or an sdr dongle isn't that unusual to
| have.
| mdhb wrote:
| It absolutely is if it doesn't fit with the rest of your
| pattern of life.
|
| I think you need to understand the context here. This isn't
| a scenario where a friend casually asks you what's with the
| radio.
|
| This is where you are most likely going to have to have
| have a damn compelling reason why you have this while
| taking a beating from a team of very motivated counter
| intelligence professionals and your story needs to stand up
| to a huge amount of very detailed scrutiny under some
| pretty shitty circumstances.
|
| Usually by the time they know you have the radio depending
| on where you are you probably aren't going home at that
| point.
|
| There's a famous case of this called the TRIGON case when
| the US were doing this in the Cold War to communicate with
| a guy in the Soviet ministry of foreign affairs. There was
| no talking your way out of it once they knew the radio
| existed.
|
| There's some interesting interviews with the CIA officers
| who were running him in Moscow at the time where they go
| into a lot of the details. Marti Peterson is the name of
| the person you should go looking for if you want to know
| more.
| ughitsaaron wrote:
| Is this also the function of numbers stations?
|
| - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbers_station
| mdhb wrote:
| I think we are talking about the same thing here.
| ughitsaaron wrote:
| My bad. The description early in the linked article
| didn't sound familiar but reading a bit further they even
| use that term exactly.
| ndiddy wrote:
| Like I said, this communications network is for military use,
| not clandestine use. There's no defined transmission schedule
| and the radio signals aren't transmitted at a high enough
| power for good signal strength outside Russia.
| michaelcampbell wrote:
| This stuff fascinates me for some reason. I remember in high
| school a story I read about a telegraph operator that sent a
| message to someone from a local (who, according to the story
| was believed to be a spy) during WWII; something along the
| lines "FATHER IS DEAD." Later that day a reply came back, "IS
| FATHER DEAD OR DECEASED."
|
| That really amped up the fascination gene in me =D
| teknopaul wrote:
| Another way to describe this is "lame click bait journalism" by
| a once great (if biased) news outlet.
|
| Crying shame that post-truth is the norm for major news
| outlets. UK is becoming the US.
| Xiol32 wrote:
| Which way is it biased?
| dabber wrote:
| It depends who you ask: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criti
| cism_of_the_BBC#Allegatio...
| someotherperson wrote:
| During the early stages of the Syrian civil war, when there
| was significant pressure being put on the Western world to
| directly intervene with boots on the ground, the BBC
| fabricated a documentary about a napalm attack on a school.
| This documentary was called "Saving Syria's Children."
|
| This featured doctors (and medical staff) being directly
| linked to Syrian opposition groups[1] (with their voices
| being dubbed[2], originals still on BBC), actors
| unintentionally exposing themselves[3], Syrian opposition
| fighters claiming the attack never took place[4] and when
| all of this was reported to the BBC they decided to simply
| memory hole the event and take down the documentary from
| YouTube, as well as some effort in taking down YouTube
| videos uploaded by others that feature some of the content.
|
| It's worth comparing the footage from the documentary to a
| historical napalm victim footage[5] from Egypt which shows
| the severity of napalm attacks in comparison to what we see
| in the documentary.
|
| I'm not a conspiracy theorist by any stretch of the
| imagination, and I'm far from being supportive of the
| Syrian government or unaware of their shocking actions
| during the conflict, but this entire production was a
| theatrical construction by the BBC.
|
| [0] https://bbcpanoramasavingsyriaschildren.wordpress.com/
|
| [1]
| https://bbcpanoramasavingsyriaschildren.wordpress.com/#Rola
|
| [2] https://youtu.be/puaOvmiyunM?t=39
|
| [3] https://bbcpanoramasavingsyriaschildren.wordpress.com/#
| Dutch
|
| [4] https://bbcpanoramasavingsyriaschildren.wordpress.com/#
| comma...
|
| [5] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS4srZ_iWzM
| elzbardico wrote:
| What did you expect from an article series named "lockdown
| longreads"?
| joshspankit wrote:
| I kind of figured when I read the title. Triangulating a radio
| source works well and is very easy to do. The story of any
| "mystery" really needs to be built up.
| pram wrote:
| This isn't a great article. The Russian military unambiguously
| operates this, and there are pictures of the instructions on what
| frequency to use to listen to messages on it:
|
| https://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-O5t8V39LpJRaSz5h-gt5rZA-t500x...
| kvakvs wrote:
| The Russian wikipedia article sheds a lot light on why this
| exists. With it operated and maintained by the army, and the
| majority of messages transmitted in the working hours, this is to
| verify through the logs of receiving radio operators, that the
| random message been correctly heard, received and logged. Which
| means the operator was ready at any given time and fully
| awake/operational, to hear other real important transmissions.
| pkphilip wrote:
| Could it be hiding data in the noise?
| rightbyte wrote:
| That is not falsifiable unless you got the key, right?
| happosai wrote:
| This is busywork. Countries that value efficiency shut down
| similar operations decades ago. Oil rich country pouring money to
| military doesn't ask "is this still useful", and the people
| working on it have no motivation explain their superiors that
| their own job is useless. Either you end up without job or you
| are reassigned to attack some village in Ukraine...
| bratwurst3000 wrote:
| I have many Russian friends and they told me similar things.
| This seems to be a good explanation.
| tivert wrote:
| > This is busywork. Countries that value efficiency shut down
| similar operations decades ago.
|
| IMHO, those countries are stupid. IIRC, the CIA "valued
| efficiency" and switched to internet based communications,
| which are so easy to monitor that most of their agents in China
| and Iran got killed/captured.
|
| Radio has the unique benefit that it's pretty much impossible
| to monitor reception.
| mdhb wrote:
| I'd love to one day read the full story on how that one went
| so sideways.
|
| There's an outline of it here worth checking out
| https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/08/15/botched-cia-
| communicati...
|
| As best as I can tell they had people designing their
| tradecraft who really did not properly understand how the
| internet works not because they are incompetent but because
| the agency mentality is so heavily focused on
| compartmentalisation (which is ironic because a lack of
| compartmentalisation across systems is what ultimately
| screwed them here) that it was considered to be good enough
| by people who weren't in a position to make that call and
| bringing in further experts to validate it violated the "need
| to know" aspect.
|
| I think that was a huge wake up call for those folks, when
| things go that badly they will end up rebuilding a lot of the
| people process and technology from the ground up.
|
| But for what it's worth some of the websites in question are
| still available on archive.org if I recall correctly.
|
| But I don't agree with the conclusion that the answer is use
| radio instead. I think a lot of things have changed in that
| world in the past 10-20 years and lots of things that were
| previously considered "best practice" suddenly became
| unambiguous signals that you were up to something that
| warrants a closer look.
|
| For example: biometrics mostly killed the idea of operating
| undercover means traveling on a passport issued in a fake
| name. There's a LOT of these changes but that's an easy one
| that everyone intuitively understands.
| bell-cot wrote:
| > This is busywork.
|
| No, this is national-security-grade redundancy. Via a system
| which has extremely few ways to fail, and those are all well-
| understood.
|
| Countries that value efficiency probably migrated their
| operations to Office 365... _OOPS!_
| jraph wrote:
| It's about "the Buzzer".
|
| I remember being a bit fascinated by this when I first heard of
| it a few years ago.
| emayljames wrote:
| I wonder if 2 way satellite comms is just as effective as this
| old technique. The satellite sends mircowaves over a large area
| so isn't giving a location away. Tracking would be extremely
| hard.
| Scoundreller wrote:
| Difficult to transport, high power usage and requires a
| specific view of the sky. SW radios can be acquired easily most
| anywhere. It's just your vintage set that's usually tuned to
| the local music station.
| op00to wrote:
| The reason satellites aren't used is their location is known,
| and because of this they are easily jammed or listened to.
| I'm not sure that the reasons you gave are really valid,
| especially for reception.
|
| > Difficult to transport
|
| I transmit to low earth satellites each weekend using a hand
| held radio that fits in a jeans pocket.
|
| > high power usage
|
| I use about 5w.
|
| > radios can be acquired easily most anywhere
|
| You can easily buy a radio that can do this for $20 on
| Amazon.
|
| I don't need a specific view of the sky on passes where the
| satellite is high enough in the sky, which happens one or two
| times a day.
| jdietrich wrote:
| Satphones are illegal or heavily restricted in a lot of the
| places where spies might want to operate.
|
| https://www.outfittersatellite.com/Countries-with-Satellite-...
| yakshaving_jgt wrote:
| > "There's absolutely no information in the signal," says David
| Stupples, an expert in signals intelligence from City University,
| London.
|
| There are occasional voice messages on this frequency, _e.g._ ,
|
| https://soundcloud.com/danix111/uvb-76-2010-11-11-14-00-utc
|
| If you're interested in The Buzzer, it's probably best just to
| read the Wikipedia article.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UVB-76
| cranberryturkey wrote:
| i remember hearing about these on some pbs documentary, they were
| popular in the 80s during the cold war. I forgot what they were
| called.
| SomeoneFromCA wrote:
| number stations
| cranberryturkey wrote:
| that's right!
| amatecha wrote:
| Reminds me of US's "HFGCS"[0] which also sends [apparently]
| OTP's, though from many stations (and on multiple frequencies)
| simultaneously.
|
| I imagine the continuous "buzzer" sound from the Russian station
| acts as both a way to keep the frequency in use, but also so that
| listening stations can determine if they are able to receive the
| Buzzer station properly. Easier to tune in if you have a constant
| carrier (or whatever) to look for.
|
| [0] https://priyom.org/military-stations/united-states/hfgcs
| op00to wrote:
| HFGCS is far more "interesting" to listen to than numbers
| stations because there's actual traffic. It's also transmitted
| from multiple locations, so it's much more likely you'll be
| able to get a signal. Google a WebSDR and get to listening!
| amatecha wrote:
| oh yeah, I've heard a couple HFGCS transmissions w/my Yaesu
| FT-857D[0]! It's especially ominous-souding when the sound
| "echoes" because you're picking up more than one station
| simultaneously, each at a substantially different distance!
|
| [0] https://matecha.net/posts/yaesu-ft857d-off-grid-portable-
| kit...
| andyjohnson0 wrote:
| Check-out The Conet Project [1] for recordings of "numbers
| stations" made in the 90s. The 4 CD set used to be freely
| downloadable, but this doesn't seem to be the case anymore -
| although a quick search indicates that there are full and partial
| copies available from various sources.
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Conet_Project
| XzetaU8 wrote:
| 5 CD set, the 5th disc was included in the 2013 reissue.
|
| 1-4 CD Set: https://archive.org/details/ird059
|
| 5th CD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S5Xbb9_kVA
| tivert wrote:
| I thought it would be neat to have a physical copy, but holy
| crap: they're selling the second-to-last copy the have on hand
| for $5,000: https://irdial.com/conet.htm.
|
| They should really just reissue the thing, that's ridiculous.
| TacticalCoder wrote:
| A bit different but not totally unrelated: for _years_ there 's
| been one in Belgium/Brussels which would play 24/7... Three
| songs. One of them was Hotel California by The Eagles, another
| one was a Michael Jackson song and the third one I forgot. They'd
| loop, all day long, all week long, all year long: three songs and
| that's it.
|
| I never looked into it but it was weird.
|
| Wife and I both are our cars with one the channel set to that
| frequency and we'd sometimes listen to that station.
| InCityDreams wrote:
| The Eagles are a notorious bunch of copyright bastards. Let's
| see how they deal with nation states...
| Y_Y wrote:
| It really grinds my gears when people use "nation state" to
| mean country, but it happens so often I don't usually bother
| to comment. Belgium is the very opposite of a nation state,
| and anyone familiar with its history or modern politics can
| see that.
| sandworm101 wrote:
| There are all sorts of strange stations like this. I know of one
| that has been broadcasting "testing 1 2 3 4 5 5 4 3 2 1" for at
| least five years, but on FM. IMHO whoever is running these is
| simply dominating a frequency to keep others off, holding the
| channel for some future or possibly forgotten use.
|
| Recorded here:
| https://www.reddit.com/r/britishcolumbia/comments/113civn/st...
| Y_Y wrote:
| I run that radio station.
| more_corn wrote:
| Why is this hard? Onetime pad encrypted communications from
| spymasters to spys. Tune in with a radio from anywhere in the
| world. Hear your keyword and follow the instructions you
| memorized before leaving home. No equipment to be caught with, no
| return communication to be intercepted.
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