[HN Gopher] Mr. Rogers' music was intricate (2020) [video]
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Mr. Rogers' music was intricate (2020) [video]
Author : CaliforniaKarl
Score : 96 points
Date : 2024-01-23 06:52 UTC (1 days ago)
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| CaliforniaKarl wrote:
| I shortened the title from "Mr. Rogers' Music Was Way More
| Intricate Than You Remember"
| duxup wrote:
| I like the "Mr. Rogers' Music Was Intricate" title way better.
| Thank you.
| zwieback wrote:
| I like Johnny Costa but always found Mr. Rogers himself creepy
| and never more so than when he was singing.
| mandmandam wrote:
| You found Mr. Rogers creepy?
|
| ... I guess that proves you can't please everyone.
|
| Mr. Rogers is _literally_ seen as the incarnation of
| wholesomeness, part of the holy secular trinity of positive
| male role models with Levar Burton and Bob Ross.
|
| You might consider not casting aspersions based on absolutely
| nothing. If there were any allegations of creepiness they'd
| have come out by now, so like... Keep his name out yo mouth.
| zwieback wrote:
| Sorry, man, just my personal reaction. I'm with you on Levar
| Burton and Bob Ross though.
| waynesonfire wrote:
| What kind of response did you think you were going to get?
| zwieback wrote:
| I didn't have any expectation at all, just contributing
| my opinion. I value all the feedback I'm getting and
| totally willing to agree that he was a fine person and
| I'm an outlier. Doesn't change my gut reaction, though.
| turtlebits wrote:
| The comment probably says more about you than Fred
| Rogers, but why post something irrelevant to the article?
| dylan604 wrote:
| To me, any adult that was that friendly towards kids
| probably had a panel van. It definitely comes across with
| that vibe to me. It's a very fine line, and better safe
| than sorry. I can get the ick vibe and make decisions on
| that without making any possibly incorrect disparaging
| remarks about someone. It's just the internal alarms do go
| off when grown men are attracted to children that are not
| their own. Yes, I'm painting with a very broad brush, but
| again safe than sorry.
| jjulius wrote:
| >... any adult that was that friendly towards kids...
|
| Treating children as people with basic love and respect
| is all that he asked for, and all that he demonstrated.
| klyrs wrote:
| You say "adult" and then later "grown men." Which is the
| actual problem?
|
| Also, in what way did Fred Rogers demonstrate
| "attraction" to children?
| sbuttgereit wrote:
| Your position sounds like the result of too much media
| consumption and giving the media, the press, and
| activists far more credence than they really deserve.
|
| Are there bad guys in the world? Yes. But not nearly so
| many nor as brazen as everyone wanting to yell their
| story in your ear would have you believe.
| lupire wrote:
| Avoiding human friendship is a large cause of the
| division and unsafety in our modern world.
| ta8645 wrote:
| There's a difference between having a negative personal
| reaction, and sharing it publically. It's causing a public
| harm based on nothing other than some vague internal
| feeling. It's unproductive and irresponsible.
| zwieback wrote:
| What about publicly sharing positive personal reaction,
| is that okay? If you answer yes to that and no to the
| other then you've got a problem on your hands.
| qwertthrowway wrote:
| Theo problem is when you say bad things about someone
| that isn't true it's called slander and if it's true then
| it's backbiting. It's not good in general to malign
| people or put a negative look on them without a good
| reason.
| doublerabbit wrote:
| There could be worse.. Jimmy Savile here in the UK.
| /shudders
| jjulius wrote:
| Have you ever considered learning about Mr. Rogers and what
| made him the way that he was? There's extensive
| documentation about how his childhood experiences basically
| shaped him into the person that he became. I'd wager it
| would perhaps alter your viewpoint a bit if you were to
| understand the "why" behind Fred.
| zwieback wrote:
| Yeah, I've seen a few things and listened to the Fresh
| Air interview way back when.
| mlyle wrote:
| I loved Fred Rogers as a kid, and I am still in awe of
| everything he did.
|
| I can also understand how someone could find the direct,
| intense way he communicated with the camera uncomfortably
| intimate and offputting (even though it was an important
| part of his success). That's OK.
| toast0 wrote:
| I mean, I also found him creepy, so I don't think zwieback is
| that unusual.
|
| Like who is this guy who always wanted to have a neighbor
| _just like me_. and always wanted to live in a neighborhood
| _with me_. And with all the eye contact, it doesn 't feel
| like a hypothetical you, it feels like me. Stranger danger
| signs.
|
| I mean, watch this episode[1], and tell me that opening
| monologue doesn't feel creepy?
|
| When I was young, this show felt a lot different than some of
| other shows in terms of speaking to the audience directly so
| much. Plus, it didn't have a cool pinball animation, I'd
| rather watch Sesame Street and learn my numbers, thanks ;)
|
| [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yujaPRM1PQo
| timschmidt wrote:
| Statistically, strangers were never the danger they were
| presented as. Most terrible things which happen to children
| happen at the hands of friends or family.
| lupire wrote:
| It's not for everyone. Mr Rogers was for children who
| needed attention from a caring adult but didn't have it. He
| was the original parasocial relationship, but he was
| relentlessly focused on making it a healthy and rewarding
| experience for children who had the television as a
| babysitter.
| wharvle wrote:
| It might be the very-long takes without cuts (it's nuts, he
| does the jacket-to-cardigan and oxfords-to-loafers getting-home
| routine and launches straight into his first segment _all as
| one shot_ in at least most episodes, the craft and skill on
| display is really impressive) plus lots of looking straight at
| the camera, which are intended to avoid confusion (people
| aren't born understanding the "language" of film editing) and
| make kids feel like he's addressing them personally. Some folks
| find that kind of direct attention uncomfortable, and the
| avoidance of film /tv editing artifice might make it feel even
| more so.
| duxup wrote:
| Mr Rogers always seemed to be communicating with kids and adults
| as a peer, never talking down to them "just as kids", and the
| music selected for his show seems quite similar.
| atleastoptimal wrote:
| Similarly this is why I feel kids were drawn to Steve from
| Blues Clues.
| popmatrix wrote:
| The Atlantic spoke about how intentional Mr. Roger's
| communication was on his show which is an interesting read:
| (google cache)
| https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:lXyHza...
| WaffleIronMaker wrote:
| Original Link:
| https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2018/06/mr-
| rogers...
|
| Internet Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20231227020506/
| https://www.theat...
| Neff wrote:
| I really like his breakdowns of pop culture music. His videos on
| The Peanuts and Cowboy Bebop are such fun dives into unexpected
| intricacies
| jzb wrote:
| I'm always down for learning more about Fred Rogers and his show.
| Such an amazing individual. Doesn't look like he recorded much
| (outside the show), but definitely will be looking into what he
| has recorded.
| chimeracoder wrote:
| > Doesn't look like he recorded much (outside the show), but
| definitely will be looking into what he has recorded.
|
| For anyone who hasn't seen it, one must-see video outside the
| show is Fred Rogers testifying before the Senate in 1969, in
| order to defend funding for public television. He is able to
| win over an incredibly rude and hostile senator in just a few
| minutes.
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKy7ljRr0AA
| lupire wrote:
| Why exaggerate and insult like that? The Senator was not rude
| or hostile.
| dwringer wrote:
| I can only speculate, but I have seen this linked on social
| media dozens of times, often including that detail of
| "shutting down an extremely hostile senator" in the
| caption. So whether or not one interprets the senator as
| rude or hostile, people are getting exposed to that idea
| pretty regularly.
| zdragnar wrote:
| That isn't a justification. "I heard someone else say it"
| doesn't remove one's own personal accountability for
| saying it as well.
|
| I imagine this is a sentiment that Mr. Rogers would agree
| with.
| slugmass wrote:
| Fred Rogers was a music composition major at Rollins College[1]
| and his wife Sara Joanne Byrd majored in piano[2]. So it is no
| wonder that he cared about the music on his TV show.
|
| [1] <https://scholarship.rollins.edu/tomokan/67> page 69.
|
| [2] <https://scholarship.rollins.edu/tomokan/66>
| pimlottc wrote:
| There's actually a really nice clip of Mr Rogers playing piano
| himself in the video @ 5:29:
|
| https://youtu.be/Z40SZ77CHK0?si=mo1WRUFcZyL4XH7h&t=329
| 4d4m wrote:
| Music theory power couple!
| ljp_206 wrote:
| All (or at least nearly 2000) of Mr. Rogers episodes are
| available on Archive.org. It's really great to be able to share
| these with our child, and us parents often appreciate the break
| and quietness more than our kid does!
| thinkingtoilet wrote:
| When my son was young and had to go get his first hair cut I
| thought of trying to find a Mr. Rogers episode to see if he
| talks about it. I found a very old episode, so old it was in
| black and white, and I was surprised to find he sat through the
| whole thing. Hair cuts can be a big deal for young children,
| but after watching that episode we've never had an issue with
| hair cuts. It still works!
| plussed_reader wrote:
| There is power in the old magicks...
| gregsadetsky wrote:
| That's incredible, thanks for the reference!
|
| Episode 1 looks so great. So so timeless..!
|
| https://archive.org/details/tt0062588_202201/0001.mp4
| mikermcneil wrote:
| Such an interesting man. Quoted his mom in the company values
| recently: https://fleetdm.com/handbook/company#empathy
|
| """ When I was a boy and I would see scary things in the news, my
| mother would say to me, "Look for the helpers. You will always
| find people who are helping." To this day, especially in times of
| "disaster", I remember my mother's words and I am always
| comforted by realizing that there are still so many helpers--so
| many caring people in this world. --Fred Rogers """
| tricky wrote:
| I've always wondered how intentional Fred Rogers was when writing
| these songs. I've been in a shitty ska punk band for years and
| the hyperactive singer will be like, "Guys! I've got this great
| new song and it goes like this." He'll sing a melody for a verse
| or whatever and we'll piece together a chord progression then
| he'll sing the chorus and we'll piece chords together that sort
| of fit it but it will be in some bananas different key. The band
| is all looking at each other like WTF is this nonsense? but the
| crazy thing is the song winds up working and it is crazy complex
| even though none of us have any idea what we're doing.
| 0xdeadbeefbabe wrote:
| How about covering "Everybody's Fancy"?
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My84I3ZjHv0 But come up with
| other chords?
| adzm wrote:
| I mean, music theory is all about communication and describing
| how things sound, not fitting everything in a box. Though once
| you learn the theory behind why your stuff works despite the
| clashing keys, you'll be able to describe it to other musicians
| and more easily apply it intentionally.
| thefourthchime wrote:
| The same guy also breaks down the Thomas The Tank Engine theme
| song.
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og1Pbn8OufI&t=486s
| christophilus wrote:
| I always loved the music on the show. It's probably why I still
| turn on Bill Evans and similar to this day when I want to relax.
| 72846hsidhdh wrote:
| Rafa e Luiz
| NoZebra120vClip wrote:
| Mr. Rogers was a fully-qualified Presbyterian minister. He was a
| televangelist who didn't directly mention Jesus Christ as his
| savior.
|
| One of the precepts of hymns and sung texts is that the music
| imparts the mood and emotion, rather than the speaker imposing
| his own interpretation on the text. Even if someone chants _recto
| tono_ , the mode/key will elicit a less personal and more
| universal feeling to the words.
|
| Mr. Rogers was still part of that transition from vaudeville and
| live musical theater. My childhood experience of his musicality
| was that it was sometimes so well-integrated that we hardly
| noticed he was singing, or accompanied, and sometimes it took
| center stage, such as when the trolley bell sounded and the piano
| imitated its travel along the tracks.
|
| All that insight from this video, such as the improvisation and
| originality of each recording, the mature nature of the
| arrangements rather than a "childish" plinking of the keys,
| that's all a confirmation of my feelings about Mr. Rogers being
| an excellent father figure and an icon of what mass media can do
| right.
| kazinator wrote:
| I'm now reminiscing about some conversation I had in a music
| store circa 1988 or 1989, in which the other guy referred to
| "that brutal jazz" in Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood.
| scelerat wrote:
| Between Mister Rogers' Neighborhood and Sesame Street, there was
| a ton of really good music -- good on its own terms -- for kids
| growing up in that era.
| seanc wrote:
| Same guy did a video about the Sesame Street Pinball Number
| Count song (one-two-thee-four-five...six-seven-eight-nine-
| ten...eleven-twelve)
|
| The song is teaching children to count, but the rhythm is very
| advanced (7/4 time!) so trying to count the beats like a
| musician is just bananas.
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMtGImlEmu0
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