[HN Gopher] Cervical Cancer incidence drops 65% in women who ben...
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Cervical Cancer incidence drops 65% in women who benefited from HPV
vaccine
Author : Anon84
Score : 79 points
Date : 2024-01-22 17:46 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| jonathankoren wrote:
| A huge health win, that was opposed by the religious right
| because preventing cervical cancer encourages teen sex. This is
| 13 years ago. The very women the GOP was arguing shouldn't get
| vaccinated while campaigning for president.
|
| Elections matter.
|
| https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1800969/
| nerpderp82 wrote:
| How many extra dead women from cervical cancer did the Bush
| administration kill? I can't do math right now.
|
| *edit, why would you downvote that?
|
| https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/cervical/statistics/index.htm
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| https://seer.cancer.gov/statfacts/html/cervix.html
|
| About 4k women die each year from cervical cancer.
| pstuart wrote:
| The fact that vaccines have become politicized is testament to
| how off the rails things have gone. There's other subjects too,
| but vaccines had bipartisan support until _recently_.
| mistermann wrote:
| If people antagonize their outgroup members excessively, it
| can turn disagreement into total war.
|
| https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-
| anythin...
|
| "It shouldn't be this way"...
|
| https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7374580-frodo-it-s-a-
| pity-b...
| jonathankoren wrote:
| Of course this live and let live approach completely breaks
| down when you need a critical mass of collective action to
| prevent collective harm.
|
| Vaccine refusal is quantitatively antisocial behavior. It
| isn't a personal choice. It endangers everyone. This is
| scientific fact.
| mistermann wrote:
| I'm not suggesting "live and let live", I am suggesting
| we approach the topic _seriously_ - and if one is
| serious, one takes into consideration _causality_ (that
| which causes things to happen as they do, which is
| sometimes other than _how it seems_ ).
|
| Everyone likes to privilege their ingroup's form of
| unseriousness, but that doesn't make the consequences
| vanish.
| nerpderp82 wrote:
| This shifts the blame away from where it ultimately lies.
| Being right politically has always meant anti-intellectual.
| The act of using scientific evidence to support a position
| in and of itself gives them justification to fight it.
|
| This is victim blaming. I do not mock or humiliate the
| uninformed, but we cannot meet in the middle to coddle
| malicious ignorance.
| mistermann wrote:
| > This shifts the blame away from where it ultimately
| lies.
|
| Do you state this as an objective fact regarding
| causality, or are you more so describing the norms of the
| (sub-)culture you were raised in, _perhaps without
| serious scrutiny_?
|
| If the former, then I would expect there to be some sort
| of a widely agreed upon proof you could link to.
|
| > Being right politically has always meant anti-
| intellectual.
|
| Are you genuinely serious when you say this?
|
| > This is victim blaming. I do not mock or humiliate the
| uninformed, but we cannot meet in the middle to coddle
| malicious ignorance.
|
| You overlook nothing?
|
| And if I happen to know you are overlooking something,
| does it follow that me being rude to you _necessarily_
| has no negative consequences?
|
| To what degree should death be taken seriously? Seriously
| enough that _everyone_ should question their faith, or
| only some people ( _coincidentally_...)?
| rswskg wrote:
| As the left has gone full blown science denial now, I
| don't think that angle works anymore
| ddgflorida wrote:
| What was opposed was forced vaccines on teens using a new
| vaccine. Our own family doctor recommended we wait until a few
| years had passed. A few years later - we got the
| recommendation.
| seattle_spring wrote:
| > What was opposed was forced vaccines on teens using a new
| vaccine
|
| Maybe in part, but there was a very large contingency that
| outright opposed it due to its perceived encouragement of
| "amoral" behavior. Exact same thing is happening now in the
| courts with Mifeprestone.
| electrondood wrote:
| In case anyone here knows someone with high-risk HPV who was too
| old to benefit from these vaccines... this is my favorite medical
| study: a combination of Reishi and turkey tail mushrooms boost
| the body's clearance rate from 5% to 88% in a 2-month period [0].
|
| I firmly believe this would have been 100% if they'd continued
| past 2 months.
|
| A friend of mine had a positive pap test for high-risk HPV, and I
| sent her this study. She started on this combo of mushrooms and
| at her followup the next month she was clear.
|
| [0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25271984/
| huytersd wrote:
| Is 5-88% the range or progression?
| reaperman wrote:
| HPV was "cured" (cleared) by the human body itself within 2
| months in 5% of the control subjects (n=20) and in 88% of the
| test group (n=41).
|
| https://sci-hub.ru/10.1615/intjmedmushrooms.v16.i5.80
| kmonad wrote:
| The abstract indicates that there was no control group
| without treatment, but two groups given two different
| mushroom combos. As such, the "baseline" clearance is not
| revealed by this work.
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