[HN Gopher] Woolly mammoth movements tied to earliest Alaska hun...
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       Woolly mammoth movements tied to earliest Alaska hunting camps
        
       Author : gmays
       Score  : 32 points
       Date   : 2024-01-22 17:00 UTC (6 hours ago)
        
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       | mrangle wrote:
       | These should show a relationship to roughly equivalent sites in
       | Siberia, and therefore to closely related early haplotypes in
       | Eurasia.
       | 
       | But the link is broken for me, and so this is a comment on just
       | the headline.
        
         | karaterobot wrote:
         | FWIW, here's the article: https://archive.is/qC0bC
        
       | hnu234 wrote:
       | Shouldn't it be the other way around: 'Earliest Alaska hunting
       | camps tied to woolly mammoth movements'?
       | 
       | The article itself states that the camps were set to capitalize
       | on the mammoth movements - 'It looks like these early people were
       | establishing hunting camps in areas that were frequented by
       | mammoths.'
        
       | RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote:
       | Humans really are badass. Not only did they kill massive Wooly
       | Mammoths with spears, they would also have had to defend the kill
       | against such predators/scavengers as the bears, wolves, lions,
       | etc.
        
         | askonomm wrote:
         | And now look at us. 99% of us can't protect ourselves from
         | another human even let alone survive in the wild. We've become
         | so very fragile.
        
           | pavel_lishin wrote:
           | Sure, the same way an individual ant is fragile.
           | 
           | But we're strong as a group; we can achieve medical feats
           | that the these folks wouldn't have even understood. We
           | collectively know more than they ever did. Some of us have
           | stood on the moon.
        
       | delichon wrote:
       | So a northern version of the Navajo culture that grew around the
       | buffalo migration. It's a competitor for possibly homo sapiens'
       | oldest profession, eating grass indirectly by following grass-
       | processing devices around and eating them instead.
        
         | AlotOfReading wrote:
         | Are you confusing them with another group? The Navajo/Dine
         | haven't ever been known for Bison hunting. Some of their
         | eastern cousins were early in the Spanish colonial period, but
         | that's not super relevant. They did some trade in the skins and
         | occasional hunting like everyone else in the area, but they
         | were never specialized Buffalo hunters like the Blackfoot.
        
           | delichon wrote:
           | Actually I was thinking it was Navajo in Dancing with Wolves,
           | but that was the Lakota Sioux. How do they fit into the
           | picture?
           | 
           | Is this source wrong that buffalo was a primary part of the
           | Navajo Diet? That would seem to be a natural in the four-
           | corners region. https://www.indiancountryextension.org/the-
           | navajo-people-and...
        
             | AlotOfReading wrote:
             | That link isn't very accurate. For one thing, Navajo _are_
             | athabascans, as in they speak an Athabascan language. The
             | tribe the language family is named after is in Alaska
             | /Canada though, not Texas.
             | 
             | The massive herds of Bison you're thinking of were
             | primarily a feature of the great plains. Bison existed
             | across much of the rest of the continent, but in much less
             | overwhelming numbers towards the periphery outside the
             | plains. The modern Navajo nation is right on the edge of
             | that historical range. The Sioux (the Lakota among them)
             | are one of the larger ethnolinguistic groups on the plains,
             | along with others like the Blackfoot I mentioned. Here's a
             | rough and highly imperfect map of the "territories":
             | 
             | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Early_L
             | o...
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             | Also, this is a matter of some disagreement between the
             | ivory tower and many of the Dine themselves, but it's a bit
             | ambiguous to use the term Navajo prior to the Long Walk in
             | the 1870s, when the Bison range had already retreated onto
             | the plains. Navajo prior to that are usually identified
             | much more closely with other Apachean groups. The technical
             | term here is "ethnogenesis".
        
             | doodlebugging wrote:
             | I hope no one uses that article as a source for anything.
             | Not only does it repeat whole sentences but it also serves
             | up a word salad of mythical origin stories that should not
             | be used as information for anything other than analytical
             | comparisons of Native American origin story permutations.
        
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