[HN Gopher] Apple's Testy Developer Relationships Threaten to Ha...
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Apple's Testy Developer Relationships Threaten to Hamper Vision Pro
Author : mfiguiere
Score : 31 points
Date : 2024-01-21 15:56 UTC (7 hours ago)
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| MDWolinski wrote:
| Meh. This is just latching on to some large companies (Netflix,
| etc) who already stated they won't be building custom apps for
| it. Netflix doesn't even have a native Mac app, so it's not
| surprising that they wouldn't have a native app for the Vision
| Pro, especially if the built in Safari can do everything a native
| App could or would.
|
| Now, if there was an advantage to building an app for Netflix, et
| al then they will. I suspect that the success of the device (or
| failure) will determine if/when these large companies start
| thinking more seriously about native apps.
|
| Many companies jumped on to the Apple Watch bandwagon only to
| find its limited nature hindered app development too much. Apple
| pitched the use case for the Watch in 3 areas, turns out it
| thrived on notifications and fitness tracking.
|
| Talk to me after the Vision Pro launches and users start
| providing feedback on needs, etc and what the actual use case is.
| wilsonnb3 wrote:
| > especially if the built in Safari can do everything a native
| App could or would.
|
| No downloads without a native app, which could affect the whole
| "using it on a plane" thing people keep mentioning.
| signatoremo wrote:
| > This is just latching on to some large companies (Netflix,
| etc) who already stated they won't be building custom apps for
| it.
|
| Incorrect. They could have allowed their iPad apps to run on
| Vision Pro, but they specifically chose not to.
|
| _Developers who offer software for the iPad automatically see
| their apps pop up on the Vision Pro App Store. That is, unless
| they opt out -- as Netflix, Spotify and YouTube are planning to
| do._
| lijok wrote:
| I struggle to see what new capabilities Vision enables that
| justify its inconvenient form factor.
|
| Apple had how much time to come up with a killer app for Vision?
| And what did they come up with?
|
| Apple should be bursting at the seams with crazy innovative app
| ideas. If they can't come up with anything interesting, I doubt
| many independent developers will.
| dharmab wrote:
| The only use case I see is for someone who lives alone and
| doesn't have space for a home theater. Compared to the cost of
| a huge OLED TV and surround sound system, it's worth
| consideration.
|
| Otherwise, what use case is worth 3.5k? It's not a work device,
| because the sidecar is limited to a single display. It's not
| compatible with OpenXR, so it's not a simulation device.
| wkat4242 wrote:
| The effective resolution will be lower than 4K of course.
| Because each display is roughly 4K per eye but both have a
| lot of overlap (necessary for the stereo effect) and the
| virtual display doesn't use the full visual field because
| that would be incredibly uncomfortable. Like sitting too
| close to a cinema screen.
|
| I have my doubts about productivity too. One or two displays
| doesn't really make the most of it and you still need a Mac
| to run serious computing (better than iOS or iPad OS) apps.
|
| I also wonder how well the eye tracking mouse pointer plus
| finger pinching for clicking will be when doing this for real
| work. I'd imagine it fatigues quickly. Oculus uses hand
| movements plus finger pinching and that's way worse for
| comfort than using the VR controllers.
|
| And of course there's the elephant in the room, the price
| tag.
| lttlrck wrote:
| For watching movies I'd take a short throw projector over any
| VR HMD for the foreseeable future. Plus even if I were
| single, I'd probably be planning on guests at some point.
| dharmab wrote:
| I've got a projector home theater, there's a couple of
| issues:
|
| 1. You need to have a lot of control over the room
| lighting. If you can't block out all the light the image
| quality suffers a lot.
|
| 2. You need to have a clear wall or projector screen, which
| might mean giving up some useful space in your home.
|
| 3. The black levels are awful compared to OLED.
|
| As for guests, other than the occasional movie nights, we
| usually play a board game or are making something as our
| activity.
| x0x0 wrote:
| And against a low hundreds of thousands potential installed
| base with apple stealing 30% -- ie well over half your profit
| on typical 50% saas margins. How can developers make money on
| that? A super-high 10% of tam is optimistically 40k copies
| sold. That's borderline for a solo dev, and doesn't come close
| to covering the opportunity cost for any larger software shop.
| zachkatz wrote:
| Phones have completely fucked our posture because they have to
| be hunched over and our fingers need to contort into unnatural
| shapes and do repetitive motions. The form factor of being able
| to stand up straight (or sit back) naturally while computing
| _is_ the killer feature.
| dharmab wrote:
| I assure you our posture was already terrible
| lijok wrote:
| That's an interesting take, and I can agree with it. How will
| you sell this however?
| wkat4242 wrote:
| https://archive.ph/DSSWg
|
| Ps this site was really nasty with its paywall.. it even
| _literally_ told me to turn off dark reader. That 's just to
| improve readability, it doesn't block or bypass anything. Luckily
| archive.ph bypasses all that crap.
| 0x38B wrote:
| I've come to prefer websites over apps on my iPhone. I have more
| control and privacy protections in the browser thanks to my
| adblocker (1) and even userscripts (2).
|
| But it's not just control and privacy; the experience is better,
| too:
|
| - YouTube without ads (depending on the adblocker-YouTube war).
|
| - Spotify lets me play any track I want with 'request desktop
| website', or an album from start to finish - in the app, it's
| shuffle-only without premium.
|
| So using Safari for YouTube and or Spotify on the Vision Pro
| isn't a big loss for me.
|
| 1: I pay for 1Blocker.
|
| 2: https://github.com/quoid/userscripts
| wodenokoto wrote:
| For me the main benefit of a browser over apps is you can have
| multiple windows open of the same thing.
| dzhiurgis wrote:
| I've switched to web version of fb messenger.com as they
| finally respect "request desktop website" in safari. Still it's
| pretty broken, doesn't do push notifications and forces you to
| log in each time. All obviously on purpose.
|
| Instagram is a little better, but won't let you post videos for
| whatever reason.
|
| TikTok is fairly useable if you manage to log in.
| 0x38B wrote:
| I don't know if it's worth the time, but a userscript to
| change some CSS and move or delete some elements could make
| Instagram or FB better on the small phone screen. That's on
| the long-tail end of my "this would be cool to do" list.
| usernamed7 wrote:
| Apple has an opportunity to once again lead and make new things
| possible. But I think they are also seeing this as App store 2.0,
| and that's a shortsighted move which is obviously causing a lot
| of groans. This is disruptive tech, but apple isn't using it to
| disrupt.
| kj99 wrote:
| For god's sake, who buys a Vision Pro to listen to Spotify?
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