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       Snowcraft - Building a Lego Snowfort from giant Lego snow-bricks
        
       Author : mikerg87
       Score  : 172 points
       Date   : 2024-01-20 01:09 UTC (21 hours ago)
        
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       | pavel_lishin wrote:
       | I did something similar a few years back with a cardboard box I
       | found in the park! It held up surprisingly well while I tried to
       | build a mighty fort - but before I could start building a roof,
       | we got too cold and I had to bring the kiddo inside.
       | 
       | I miss big snowfalls.
        
       | ghayes wrote:
       | I'm really surprised the snow bricks hold together so well. I
       | wonder what the optimal conditions are for forming snow
       | balls/bricks/men.
        
       | mindslight wrote:
       | Reading this gave me a related idea for a 3D FDM printer that
       | lays down water. Maybe just a floating head suspended by ropes
       | from three different trees. Perhaps three base stations on the
       | ground for more accurate positioning. It would only work when it
       | was really cold out. But it would be pretty neat to play with
       | printing some kind of crazy human-scale structure/sculpture, and
       | not have to worry about what you're going to do with it when
       | you're done.
        
         | JKCalhoun wrote:
         | Need to figure out how to keep the source of the water from
         | freezing.
        
           | fiddlerwoaroof wrote:
           | I think if you keep it moving, you should be able to be ok.
        
           | mindslight wrote:
           | I was thinking the deposition rate would be high enough that
           | the flow of tap water would suffice. The more important goal
           | would seem to be getting the water to a steady colder
           | temperature so that it freezes consistently soon after it
           | comes out. It would be nice to be able to augment the feed
           | with snow too. Maybe an open tank, a circulation loop to the
           | printing head, variable valve for the tap water inlet, and
           | then perhaps a waterfall-based heat sink and/or a boiler loop
           | depending if the whole setup still needs to lose or gain
           | heat.
           | 
           | I've also got to wonder if dribbling water would be the best
           | type of print head, as opposed to say a pressurized nozzle
           | that would make more of a fanned out spray.
        
           | klyrs wrote:
           | Set your hothead to 1deg?
        
         | swader999 wrote:
         | Icebox igloo tool helps build a geodesic shaped igloo much like
         | a 3d printer with all types of snow.
         | https://grandshelters.com/icebox-igloo-tools/
        
       | JKCalhoun wrote:
       | Hmmm... 2 x 2 bricks? (Guess the Lego storage bin imposes that
       | style brick.)
       | 
       | I want to see them try 2 x 4 bricks though. Much overlap.
        
         | andai wrote:
         | In the last photo, there's what appears to be a red 2x4 brick
         | mold
        
       | neilv wrote:
       | These can be awesome fun to build and to play in. Just a safety
       | note...
       | 
       | If you build snow&ice structures, keep in mind that some can be
       | dangerous for young kids who _later_ come across this very
       | compelling structure.
       | 
       | Especially igloo/cave/house, or other structure that can
       | otherwise collapse atop small ones.
       | 
       | Even if structurally sound when built, it can change rapidly over
       | time, due to melting, snowfall, and play.
       | 
       | If you can't check it frequently, to make sure that it's not in a
       | state that can collapse and result in tragedy in a matter of
       | minutes, then you probably want to disassemble it (and spread it
       | out).
        
         | izend wrote:
         | I believe this is why my grade 2 class in Montreal was shown
         | this famous Quebec movie
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dog_Who_Stopped_the_War where
         | the movie ends with a child dying in the collapsed snow fort.
        
           | neilv wrote:
           | US schoolchildren were shown Disney's film "Follow Me, Boys",
           | which seems to be about a wholesome youth group, who build a
           | dangerously unsound clubhouse... then arm themselves, to
           | fight off government aggression.
           | 
           | (This formative message could explain a lot. I prefer
           | Quebec's snow safety message.)
           | 
           | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4dHmLu07HY
        
             | klyrs wrote:
             | When and where? I grew up in the US and never saw that.
        
               | neilv wrote:
               | That YouTube clip is from 1990 broadcast TV in a major
               | northern coastal city market (Portland, OR).
               | 
               | Around that time was also the Disney Channel, which many
               | parents of young children would get for their cable TV
               | package, for presumed kid-safe shows, and which showed
               | many old Disney movies, including this one.
               | 
               | Of course not everyone has seen it, but a lot have, maybe
               | especially in households that prioritized exposure to
               | "family-friendly" TV/movies.
        
               | IG_Semmelweiss wrote:
               | I have not heard of this. Ive also not heard a reference
               | to Portland as major northern city. As soon as I read
               | that I assumed US NE coast.
               | 
               | Why not western ?
               | 
               | Also when you said "us schoolchildren were shown" you are
               | directly implying this movie was (mandatory) shown in
               | schools which based on your reply, is not what happened.
               | 
               | 'US children' and network TV would have sufficed for your
               | point.
               | 
               | Honestly your writeup feels purposefully dramatic.
        
               | neilv wrote:
               | I think I should've stopped commenting after the first
               | note about safety.
        
               | klyrs wrote:
               | Ah, okay. When you said "schoolchildren" I interpreted
               | that to mean that the movie was being shown in schools.
        
             | teekert wrote:
             | Here in the Netherlands, at my school, we had to watch "Die
             | Welle" (German title, English: "The Wave") [0]. Where a
             | whole school learns how easy it can be to start following
             | Hitler 2.0 en masse.
             | 
             | [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wave_(1981_film)
        
               | jacquesm wrote:
               | Unfortunately not enough people understood that movie.
        
               | bjornlouser wrote:
               | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qlBC45jk3I
        
           | Aeolun wrote:
           | The synopsis on wikipedia seems to say the dog dies?
           | 
           | Which given the name "The Dog Who Stopped the War" seems
           | likely?
        
             | antx wrote:
             | No child dies in the movie:
             | 
             | > Marc's dog Cleo comes after her owner, and one of the
             | fortress walls collapses, killing her. The war ends, as
             | both sides help bury her.
        
         | fifilura wrote:
         | I have mixed opinions about that.
         | 
         | It is true that there is proof of kids dying when snow caves
         | cave in.
         | 
         | At the same time it is also a part of this ages overprotection
         | of kids. Along with children not allowed to bike alone or play
         | near a lake.
        
       | soperj wrote:
       | We do this with our recycling bins, it doesn't look like lego,
       | but you can stack it a lot nicer than what they've got in their
       | pictures.
        
       | jader201 wrote:
       | Sort of related, we bought for our kids when they were young a
       | set of Brik-a-Bloks. [1]
       | 
       | They're basically plastic 2x2 tiles that can be assembled into
       | almost any structure you can think of (limited by the number of
       | tiles you have).
       | 
       | They (we!) loved making forts and tunnels with them.
       | 
       | Just last week, one of my sons and his friends broke them out
       | when playing nerf guns. He's 16.
       | 
       | It's such a shame they stopped making them (maybe they were too
       | expensive). They were even hard to find when I got them several
       | years ago. Someone should really make something like these again.
       | 
       | [1]
       | https://gofatherhood.com/2010/02/review_fun_huge_building_bl...
        
         | bcraven wrote:
         | This looks close to Quadro:
         | 
         | https://quadroworld.com/en
        
           | jader201 wrote:
           | Yeah, sort of, except Brik-a-Bloks allow you to build
           | enclosed structures, so it feels more like a fort.
           | 
           | But Quadro would still allow you to use sheets, etc. to
           | complete the fort look.
        
             | red_admiral wrote:
             | Quadro has "tiles" you can use to make forts like that too.
             | Source: my childhood.
        
       | fercircularbuf wrote:
       | You have a wonderful blog!
        
       | dathinab wrote:
       | be careful you have referred to non-Lego produced bricks as Lego,
       | Lego might now sue you /s
       | 
       | jokes aside they won't as it's good PR, they are very peculiar
       | about how they selectively enforce their trademark in media
       | articles
        
         | jacquesm wrote:
         | Technically speaking they provided the mold, so it's a derived
         | product at worst, and the evidence will melt away before the
         | lawsuit gets underway.
        
       | m-p-3 wrote:
       | This seems very unstable and unsafe. Collapsed snow forts can
       | kill..
        
       | epiccoleman wrote:
       | One of my best college memories:
       | 
       | I went to school at Ohio University, which is in Athens, OH - the
       | Southern part of the state. Snowfall was pretty rare down there,
       | we p probably only got one good one a year.
       | 
       | I was also in a fraternity - a source of lots of good times and
       | also some bad ones. But most importantly for this story, it meant
       | that I knew about 50 different guys on campus.
       | 
       | In my senior year we got a pretty awesome fall of packing snow,
       | and the house where I was living had a big parking lot as
       | basically its backyard, which served as parking for 12-15 cars
       | for nearby houses. Classes were cancelled.
       | 
       | So, that morning me and the other couple guys who lived in my
       | house put on our best approximation of snow appropriate clothes,
       | and went outside to the parking lot to build a fort. We starting
       | making bricks with our recycling container, which was about the
       | size of a 44qt storage tub. Our goal was to make an igloo big
       | enough for a circle of about 15 of us to sit, so our first layer
       | needed something like 30 blocks.
       | 
       | Time went on, and various other bros starting showing up. By the
       | end of the day, we had 20 young dudes shoveling snow into those
       | recycling totes. Even with that amount of workers, it was slow
       | progress. The fort was humongous! But after working for a few
       | hours, we had a circle about 10-12 feet in diameter with walls 4
       | feet high.
       | 
       | At that point our resolve to build an actual igloo had crumbled,
       | and we were running out of easily accessed parking lot snow, so
       | we compromised, and threw a big white tarp over the whole thing.
       | Just like that, we had our giant fort, roofed over (and hey,
       | safer too).
       | 
       | It was an all day job to get that far, and the rewards were worth
       | it - we sat out in the fort with frozen asses, drinking very cold
       | beer and filling it up with pot smoke, laughing and singing and
       | telling stories. It was a genuinely magical few days, it felt
       | like building that thing together had broken down some cliques
       | and brought our group of dudes together. Almost every brother
       | stopped by at least once.
       | 
       | It didn't occur to me until later that that was probably the last
       | time in my life all the conditions would line up to build
       | something that large out of snow. How often do you find a huge
       | parking lot, covered in packing snow, and 20 strapping young lads
       | with nothing better to do than listen to some nerd telling them
       | where to put it?
       | 
       | Good times.
        
         | deadbabe wrote:
         | This sounds like a nice way to close out a chapter of life that
         | will never be relived.
        
       | mgaunard wrote:
       | That's not how you're supposed to use lego. You're supposed to
       | stack them up using the bumpy bits to maintain good alignment --
       | I wouldn't expect the fit on hand-made snow bricks to be
       | sufficiently tight and the material to be sufficiently elastic to
       | enable them to stick to each other (though you could get them to
       | stick by getting some ice to form).
       | 
       | But it looks like the bricks themselves aren't hollow like
       | they're supposed to be, and that they can't even be stacked to
       | build a structure that's even remotely level or structurally
       | sound.
       | 
       | Clearly this is "lego" in name only.
        
       | chrisjh wrote:
       | The word Snowcraft just brought me back to my childhood. I loved
       | playing the Snowcraft Shockwave game circa 2001 (?)
       | 
       | I found a version of it on Archive.org [1] and a mirror on Github
       | [2] that shockingly run perfectly!
       | 
       | [1] https://archive.org/details/snowcraft_game [2]
       | https://github.com/seanpm2001/Snowcraft
        
       | smeej wrote:
       | Is it just me or wouldn't this actually work better with a flat
       | box than a Lego-shaped one?
       | 
       | Unless you're somehow driving corresponding holes into the
       | _bottoms_ of your bricks, what advantage do the pips on top
       | provide? If anything, they seem like they 'd make it less stable.
        
         | forgotusername6 wrote:
         | Not just you. Was disappointed to see the use of the 2x2 rather
         | than a 2x3 and also no indents in the base. The structures made
         | look precarious at best.
        
       | doug_durham wrote:
       | Great idea, but the writing style of the blog grates on my like
       | nails on a chalkboard.
        
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