[HN Gopher] VMware Kills Off 56 Products
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VMware Kills Off 56 Products
Author : galenmarchetti
Score : 66 points
Date : 2024-01-18 21:37 UTC (1 hours ago)
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| midasuni wrote:
| Looking forward to when aws does this. Lock in and tighten the
| screws.
| jacquesm wrote:
| That just got a lot easier for them.
| galenmarchetti wrote:
| why? loving aws right now, which products do you think they
| would keep vs kill
| Unfrozen0688 wrote:
| Because then people will move off it.
| post_break wrote:
| AWS and Azure rubbing their hands together. We use one of these
| products and unfortunately will have to abandon ship.
| jollyllama wrote:
| I wonder who vSphere users can even go to
| yjftsjthsd-h wrote:
| Proxmox? (I appreciate that this is a significant change)
| wmf wrote:
| Nutanix
| candiddevmike wrote:
| They probably need a therapist at this point. They've been
| through a lot over the years.
| Unfrozen0688 wrote:
| I'm sorry, what better interface is there for massive
| amounts of VM management in a GUI?
| candiddevmike wrote:
| Backstage or ServiceNow in front of kubevirt
| nwilkens wrote:
| We're definitely seeing an uptick in interest for Triton
| Datacenter[1] from vSphere users looking for alternatives.
|
| Aside from Triton, there's a quite a bit of interest in
| Proxmox and XCP-ng in the community.
|
| While alternatives are gaining popularity, they certainly do
| not have the same ecosystem that VMware users are accustomed
| to. Organizations are going to have to pony up, or make
| concessions.
|
| [1]: https://www.tritondatacenter.com
| manishsharan wrote:
| Both AWS and Azure have migration agnets for vShere VMs
| Unfrozen0688 wrote:
| "Lift and Shift" cloud VMs is going to be MORE expensive
| than on-prem.
|
| Sure you CAN do it but not advisable.
| lwkl wrote:
| There is also Hyper-V and Virtual Machine Manager and Azure
| Stack that might be an alternative for companies that ran
| Windows on their vSphere environment. I've seen Windows shops
| already switch to that because the licensing a lot cheaper.
|
| There's also Nutanix, RedHat and other options that people
| have mentioned here.
| rodgerd wrote:
| > RedHat
|
| Unfortunately post-IBM aquisition, Red Hat's closest
| equivalent (RHEV) was killed off. You've got OpenStack and
| k8s VMs now, neither of which are really what people
| running VMWare are looking for I suspect.
| Unfrozen0688 wrote:
| Xen Orchestra is another alternative.
|
| But the issue with this and Proxmox is vsphere is not just
| the web interface.
|
| Usually a company has Veeam integration for backups, and
| server creation/decom automations all built on the vmware
| platforms...
| digitalsushi wrote:
| I wonder how this will cut into the hobbiest/learn-at-home crowd
| with our half width, 1U free-tier-license ESXi servers we learn
| our skills for our day jobs on.
| wpm wrote:
| I'm already not going to renew my VMUG membership, and am
| planning to switch my VSphere cluster over to Proxmox.
| CommieBobDole wrote:
| I don't think this is a concern of theirs - the new owners
| don't appear to have any plans for it to be around long enough
| to need another generation of people to run it.
|
| It's likely that for whatever products remain after this purge,
| there will be no more major releases, only security patches and
| ever-more-expensive extended support contracts.
| candiddevmike wrote:
| I remember when Nicira/NSX and the concept of SDN was
| groundbreaking stuff. Hyperconverged had just become a thing, and
| VMware was the brightest star in the galaxy. Seeing it shuddered
| is pretty powerful.
| zamadatix wrote:
| It's not really shuttered it's just become subscription only.
| wmf wrote:
| Realistically these products aren't being killed; they'll still
| be available in subscription bundles just not as perpetual
| licenses.
| CommieBobDole wrote:
| I don't think that's correct - from the article:
|
| "All licensing options including Perpetual, Support &
| Subscription (SnS), SaaS/hosted and subscription, as well as
| all editions, suites and pricing metrics of each product,
| unless otherwise noted, are included in this announcement.
| These products are no longer available for purchase."
|
| Honestly, looking at the list, I'm not sure what they actually
| still sell.
| wmf wrote:
| I guarantee vSAN and NSX are not canceled; they're critical
| components of the VMware stack.
| CommieBobDole wrote:
| Here's the actual article from VMWare:
|
| https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/96168?lang=en_US
|
| It sounds pretty unambiguous; they go out of their way to
| note that these products are no longer available by any
| means and are discontinued, and they list both vSAN and
| NSX.
|
| But, yeah, just because a company says something doesn't
| mean it's true, I guess - wouldn't put it past them to say
| "oh, all these products have been replaced by the new
| VMWare vCloud Platinum MAX offering" which is just the same
| products in a bundle that costs ten times as much.
| sitkack wrote:
| LoL, I just looked at the vSAN cancellation.
|
| People are snapshoting the hell out of those pages on the
| wayback machine! The world is going insane right now.
|
| Broadcom is burning more actual value than Elon Musk.
| tivert wrote:
| > Realistically these products aren't being killed; they'll
| still be available in subscription bundles just not as
| perpetual licenses.
|
| But the OP says:
|
| > Listing the 56 VMware products and platforms being killed
| off, VMware said: "All licensing options including Perpetual,
| Support & Subscription (SnS), SaaS/hosted and subscription, as
| well as all editions, suites and pricing metrics of each
| product, unless otherwise noted, are included in this
| announcement. These products are no longer available for
| purchase."
|
| I've heard Broadcom is also (dishonestly) pushing a sudden and
| harsh RTO plan that will probably lead to a huge amount of
| staff turnover.
| sitkack wrote:
| Broadcom will not be able to extract their acquisition cost
| out of future customer due to their rate of cuts.
|
| Broadcom watched Arm sue Qualcomm, and was like, hold my
| beer. Revenue for VMware was 13.6B last year. They would have
| to maintain that for 4 more years just to break even _on
| revenue_. There is zero chance they will make a profit on
| this acquisition.
| kdtsh wrote:
| According to VMware/Broadcom in the article: "All licensing
| options including Perpetual, Support & Subscription (SnS),
| SaaS/hosted and subscription, as well as all editions, suites
| and pricing metrics of each product, unless otherwise noted,
| are included in this announcement. These products are no longer
| available for purchase."
|
| It reads like these products and any way to purchase them have
| been axed. What am I missing? - if the expectation is that
| these products will be bundled into future product offerings,
| that's a big if and if I'm not mistaken I don't think we have
| any concrete information about that yet.
| kube-system wrote:
| I think the original blog post from VMWare pretty much says
| what the above person was claiming, if I'm reading it right:
|
| https://news.vmware.com/company/vmware-by-broadcom-
| business-...
| roody15 wrote:
| Yuck. The subscription everything model of everything just
| feels dystopian and a step backwards. It's everywhere .. even
| silly simplistic applications and add on's all subscription.
| Banditoz wrote:
| VMware (now Broadcom?) owns the Spring/Spring Boot libraries,
| right? Anyone know if they're still planning on maintaining it?
| jryan49 wrote:
| Here is a twitter comment from Nov...
| https://nitter.net/odrotbohm/status/1730356168755703945?t=xG...
|
| Make of it what you will...
| boarnoah wrote:
| Am I misunderstanding, there is a bunch of vSphere offerings on
| the list there, but surely they must still sell vSphere in some
| form to enterprises?
|
| Isn't it still common to find as a significant part of most on-
| premise deployments?
| zamadatix wrote:
| This is the discontinuation of all non-subscription licenses.
| I.e. vSphere (the software) isn't discontinued rather vSphere
| (the perpetually licensed product) is continued. You must
| purchase vSphere (the subscription licensed product) if you
| want to renew support. For more minor products there may not be
| a subscription SKU but for anything in common use there should
| be.
| Invictus0 wrote:
| There should be a web quiz "VMWare Product Name" or "Scifi-book
| technology"
| timekiller wrote:
| I'm at a loss with VMware. We've been full vdi since 2011 and
| can't afford cloud solutions. Citrix is overkill. Love Nutanix,
| but can't use AHV due to VMware horizon. We've had zero or thin
| clients for all workstations. It's been so easy, until now.
| timekiller wrote:
| The company we purchased from is pretty sure VMware is cutting
| them off. We used to deal with CDW, but cdw's service went to
| crap
| zamadatix wrote:
| @Dang the current title, and maybe article linked, is going to
| cause a titanic misunderstanding in what's happening.
|
| The 1st party link has a much clearer title "VMware End of
| Availability of perpetual licensing and associated products"
| https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/96168?lang=en_US&ref=thestac...
|
| E.g. it's not that NSX as a whole is discontinued it's that NSX
| perpetual licensing is discontinued and you must buy the NSX
| subscription licensing. Some of these other SKUs may not have an
| equivalent but for anything "big" like NSX or vSphere there will
| be.
| kube-system wrote:
| And the linked blog post:
| https://news.vmware.com/company/vmware-by-broadcom-business-...
| woopwoop24 wrote:
| i think i will still be in tech when the pendulum swings back to
| on-prem, when everybody notices how awfully expensive the cloud
| is, after the bigger players raise the prices at will, because
| they killed off the competition.
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