[HN Gopher] What was the biggest art theft in history?
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What was the biggest art theft in history?
Author : Petiver
Score : 15 points
Date : 2024-01-17 19:39 UTC (1 days ago)
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| sib wrote:
| Sadly, not even close to the biggest...
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| https://www.apollo-magazine.com/red-army-trophy-art-germany/
| bryanlarsen wrote:
| Also probably in contention is the plunder of the Aztecs by the
| Spanish.
| foobarian wrote:
| And let's not forget all the things that the British Empire
| stole from its subjects across the world.
| kccqzy wrote:
| Or consider the Old Summer Palace in Beijing by Anglo-French
| forces during the second opium war.
| laurensr wrote:
| What about art in museums all over the world that is requested
| back by the country of origin?
| beaeglebeached wrote:
| They should sue as anyone else can for goods back, if they have
| proof they own it .
| parl_match wrote:
| There have been many articles written about this, you should
| read them. But in some of the more egregious cases, I would
| ask you this: how do you sue a government for plundered art
| when the government has passed laws that prevent you from
| suing the government?
| beaeglebeached wrote:
| You're talking about publicly possessed (stolen or not) art
| where the public won't vote to allow consideration of
| patriating the art abroad?
| parl_match wrote:
| You said lawsuit. In many countries, a lawsuit is not
| feasible.
| beaeglebeached wrote:
| I said sue, not lawsuit. In some countries you use a
| lawsuit. In others, it merely means to seek legal redress
| such as petitioning a dictator.
| parl_match wrote:
| Suing is the same as bringing a lawsuit. You're
| ineffectually splitting hairs. Still likely not
| effective. What's your point?
| beaeglebeached wrote:
| You've pointed to 'many' countries and also to laws
| stopping this. Now you've evaluated likelihood. Since you
| were able to drive a likelihood calculus, what specific
| laws were you calculating against?
| yial wrote:
| Not who you're responding to but laws that govern this:
| Multinational:
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| Hague Convention of 1907
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| 1970 UNESCO
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| 1995 UNIDROIT
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| US:
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| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lieber_Code
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| 2004 HR1047 section 204.
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| (Those are more about stopping theft / destruction- not
| return.)
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| UK:
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| Except for human tissue, it's basically not legally
| regulated.
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| Australia:
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| No laws. There is a government program for aboriginal art
| and remains.
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| But as an example, Egypt frequently requests the return
| of the Rosetta Stone from the British Museum.
| flint wrote:
| Ever seen The Monuments Men?
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Monuments_Men
| ProfessorLayton wrote:
| Perhaps what's going on now with AI?
| MeImCounting wrote:
| Art theft implies actually stealing something from someone. IE
| taking something away from someone else. So that they no longer
| have access to that thing. For instance the occasion discussed
| in the article is about art being stolen from a museum. So that
| people can no longer go to that museum and look at that art.
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| I hope you can see the difference between that and the "theft"
| of "intellectual property" that is so hyped today.
| galago wrote:
| Supreme court chief justice Oliver Wendell Holmes identified
| Boston as "The Hub of the Solar System", which is still somehow
| how people in the area think of themselves in my opinion. I live
| in the area. So it would be this:
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| https://www.gardnermuseum.org/organization/theft
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| https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/five-things-know-a...
| saddat wrote:
| The British museum collection
| kccqzy wrote:
| Not a single instance of theft but Stephane Breitwieser is
| probably the most prolific art thief. I read Michael Finkel's
| 2023 book on the thefts and it was a riveting read.
| PortlandMEnerd wrote:
| How is this big?
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