[HN Gopher] Notion Calendar
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Notion Calendar
Author : dylanirlbeck
Score : 142 points
Date : 2024-01-17 17:03 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| iamthirsty wrote:
| Seems like calendars are all the rage, again.[0]
|
| -
|
| [0]:https://daringfireball.net/linked/2024/01/09/hey-calendar-
| no...
| PurpleRamen wrote:
| Still no offline-mode? Notion is a really great tool, but I
| really want my data local to tinker with them in all kind of ways
| which Notion was not made to support. And all the clones and
| alternatives are still years away from Notion's level of
| polishing. Really strange.
| posix86 wrote:
| It'd be such an easy win of customers. If they support offline
| calendar, and human startup time, I'd replace my calendar with
| Notion in a heartbeat.
| canadiantim wrote:
| Does this look like keeping the data on a local sqlite?
| jwoq9118 wrote:
| Checkout Anytype. Privacy focused alternative to Notion
| drakonka wrote:
| Thank you for the recommendation; I've wanted to start a
| private Notion for a while but had the same requirement for
| local data storage.
| SN76477 wrote:
| if you start a Notion variation, let me know. I would love
| something like notion but offline and secure.
| ezst wrote:
| If you don't need collab, give Trilium a try. It's IMO
| better than notion at keeping things organized (notion
| lets you create types/objects as "databases", but craps
| at polymorphism, i.e. extending and specializing those
| types). I really don't need the bling of
| notion/capacities/obsidian if they can't manage
| consistent data, and Trilium works offline, too, and is
| impressively hackable.
| j45 wrote:
| Thanks for the recommendation.
|
| Someone recommended trying out Outline as well which is self-
| hosted, but requires using web connected single sign on.
| j45 wrote:
| Glad I'm not alone on the offline mode.
| emptysea wrote:
| UI wise it looks like they've cribbed some design notes from
| Apple's calendar apps
| solardev wrote:
| I wish more people would do this! Imitation is the sincerest
| form of flattery and all that, sure, but especially with UI/UX,
| gosh... just give your users some time-proven patterns that
| work well, developed by giant companies who have more UX people
| than you have employees. No need to constantly reinvent the
| wheel only to deliver some stylish thing with terrible
| usability...
|
| Oftentimes I wish the Web had built-in UI primitives like this,
| the way we do for a checkbox or text field, so that websites
| aren't constantly trying to reinvent basic widgets. Bootstrap,
| MUI, Tailwind components, etc. kinda do that, but they're not
| really standard.
| gdudeman wrote:
| A quote that is often helpful in product design: "Good artists
| copy, great artists steal."
| paxys wrote:
| A UI like a calendar has been iterated on enough by now that it
| doesn't really need reinvention. Google, Apple, Outlook and the
| rest all look largely the same for this reason.
| nikolay wrote:
| This is actually renbranded Cron.
| dewey wrote:
| First sentence says "Cron is now Notion Calendar" as they
| bought them two years ago.
| nikolay wrote:
| I know. But althoguh I knew Cron and new about the
| acquisition, it wasn't obvious in my mind that this is only
| rebranding and nothing more.
| manmal wrote:
| Seems to be common with calendars. Sunrise (iOS) became
| Outlook. RIP my most favorite calendar app ever.
| dewey wrote:
| Cron was bought by Notion in 2022:
| https://www.notion.so/blog/notion-acquires-cron
| jasonjmcghee wrote:
| So Notion acquired Cron? What's the story here? What a strange
| product announcement. "cron.com" just says "Cron is now Notion
| Calendar"
|
| Edit: Oh wow, Notion acquired them back in June 2022. Guess that
| was context i was missing
| w-m wrote:
| In case anybody from Notion is reading here: I'm very frustrated
| by being logged out on all my Apple devices (MacBook, iPhone,
| iPad) every few weeks to months.
|
| By itself this would be only annoying, but on top of the spurious
| logout, none of the Notion apps support Keychain access. Thus
| when having to log in (with my email and password combination), I
| need to hunt for those in the password list and copy/paste them,
| which takes quite a bit of time doing that on each device.
|
| Google searches tell me that I'm far from alone in experiencing
| it and that the problem seems to exist for several years.
| DandyDev wrote:
| Add me to the list of paying users that are disgruntled by this
| malfunction
| rvlfly wrote:
| Hi there, really sorry to hear about this problem. Can you use
| the Help & Support -> Message support function to submit a
| ticket with the problem you are experiencing? We will make sure
| to look into it and fix it.
| casperb wrote:
| I got the same thing as well. It feels like it is by design.
| rvlfly wrote:
| Appreciate if you can submit a ticket and we will look into
| it!
| contrast wrote:
| This isn't Notion's community forum. Could you please
| stop spamming Hacker News with requests for your
| customers to file support tickets?
| w-m wrote:
| Messaging support in this way would make sense to me for
| reporting a weird, rare bug. But what I described is widely
| seen in the community[0-3].
|
| In fact, looking for these links, I now found an official
| Notion reply from 4 years ago in one of these threads[4]:
| "should keep you logged in for 90 days per device".
|
| This had me find [5]: "Notion has a default session duration
| of 90 days. This means all users automatically get logged out
| if they have stayed logged in for 90 consecutive days.".
|
| If logging out any session after 90 days is the expected
| behavior, this would completely explain the behavior in my
| case. Can you confirm that this is happening for all
| accounts?
|
| [0]: https://www.reddit.com/r/Notion/comments/brcy5m/random_l
| ogou...
|
| [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/Notion/comments/vi8c9f/constant
| ly_g...
|
| [2]: https://www.reddit.com/r/Notion/comments/194xw0m/anyone_
| else...
|
| [3]: https://www.reddit.com/r/Notion/comments/dsi5jo/login_pr
| oces...
|
| [4]: https://www.reddit.com/r/Notion/comments/dsi5jo/login_pr
| oces...
|
| [5]: https://www.notion.so/help/hipaa
| rvlfly wrote:
| Yes it is 90 days but we are actively working on ways to
| improve the user experience. Stay tuned!
| w-m wrote:
| That would be much appreciated. I've sent a message to
| support about the email not being filled in by Keychain
| on iOS, request 4054436.
| ilrwbwrkhv wrote:
| Why does anyone use Notion over Excel and Notepad?
|
| I never understood their rise to such popularity.
| DandyDev wrote:
| Have you ever used Notion? Feature-wise, it has nothing to do
| with spreadsheets, so the comparison with Excel is irrelevant.
| Comparing it to Notepad is only remotely applicable in that
| both could be used to take notes.
|
| As to why it is so popular: despite its faults, it offers a
| very slick experience for note taking, building a knowledge-
| base/wiki and project management and anything in-between
| really. I find the way you can store data in a structured way
| using Notion databases and present it in different forms very
| useful.
| outworlder wrote:
| A better comparison would be Obsidian or Logseq.
|
| If you are trying to do those things on Excel... geez.
| echelon wrote:
| If Obsidian grew team / cloud features, that would be pretty
| slick.
| deafpolygon wrote:
| If that were to happen, I'd switch to something else. I
| love the single player mode of Obsidian.
| echelon wrote:
| My team uses Notion and I begrudgingly adopted it. I'm not one
| to dictate.
|
| The UI is clunky. It's not as bad as Atlassian software, but it
| makes me miss Google Docs.
|
| I'm hoping Gsuite grows ticket and wiki support, because then I
| can use Gsuite for everything.
| esafak wrote:
| GSuite has barely changed since it came out; let's be real.
| Spivak wrote:
| There are a lot of criticisms I think I could level at Notion
| but clunky would be one of the last. I'm actually curious
| what you use Notion for that doesn't jive well.
| echelon wrote:
| Any time I drag media around, it bogs my system down like
| crazy (I'm on Linux).
|
| Nothing seems to snap to the "right" places.
|
| My brain also isn't mapping to the Notion way of doing
| things (which is orthogonal to the other issues).
| esafak wrote:
| It is multi-functional. You can make it behave like
| spreadsheet, notepad, or database. All in the same document. So
| a better question might be "Why use Excel?"
| abdullahkhalids wrote:
| My work uses notion. We have to write a lot, and I need to
| write a lot of mathematics. Writing math on notion pages is
| like pulling teeth.
|
| Till last year, I was writing my docs in markdown on my
| computer (using emacs), and then uploading using this library
| for markdown-to-notion-import [1]. But the notion api has
| changed, and the library no longer works, and I am not sure
| what to do now.
|
| [1] https://github.com/Cobertos/md2notion
| InitialLastName wrote:
| I don't love Notion for some things, but I haven't found
| anything better for mixing structured data and notes in a
| flexible-but-consistent way.
|
| If I wanted to do something like their databases (large sets of
| notes with enforced fields of different types including
| relational links, tags, attached files, with dead easy data
| entry, autocompletion, search and extraction, all presented in
| an acceptably pleasing way) in Excel, it would take me hours of
| tweaking. In Notion, it's 10 minutes before I'm starting to
| enter data (not to mention the price).
| roscue wrote:
| Looks a lot like it's inspired by https://amie.so . They also
| have a Notion integration, but it doesn't work completely
| flawless yet - but they are only out of beta since a few months I
| think.
| mxstbr wrote:
| Other way around! Notion bought Cron, which was around for a
| long time before Amie and (one could argue) inspired Amie.
| dewey wrote:
| Apart from not really seeing how they are very similar
| (Except the calendar view itself...which looks the same in
| every calendar app) it actually looks like Amie was around
| one year longer. At least based on public announcement
| timestamps I found. Doesn't really matter in the end, as they
| have very different ideas in the same field so there's
| nothing wrong with that.
|
| - Amie, 2020-08-24:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24263960
|
| - Cron, 2021-11-18:
| https://cron.com/blog/2021-11-18-announcing-cron
| shawiz wrote:
| I really hope Notion Calendar will build the "schedule
| todo" feature for its Calendar. That's the primary reason I
| used Amie.
| jahewson wrote:
| They both look broadly like Apple's Calendar app with some
| features of Google Workspace's Calender mixed in.
| nikon wrote:
| Long time Cron user here. Cron just uninstalled itself during an
| update and I had to find this announcement manually. Not a good
| look.
|
| After downloading the new app, I now get this error:
|
| > This app has reached its sign-in rate limit for now.
|
| Did you not consider the migration path for existing users?
| DancerOfFaran wrote:
| Quite frustrated about this.
|
| It also didn't restart the app for me, so took me until I
| missed the starting of a meeting to realize the workflow was
| broken, and THEN my launcher app couldn't find the name Cron
| (IE, the aforementioned uninstall). Then, opened it finally,
| and had to also redo Google SSO Auth, but there's a malformed
| request error (that seems to be a Google issue...) and I can't
| log in.
| roldie wrote:
| Same exact thing happened to me. Super frustrating. I'm ready
| to just leave it uninstalled at this point.
|
| I'll probably switch to Sunsama or give Amie a try again
| apigalore wrote:
| It's not uninstalled. It updated itself to Notion Calendar.
| Probably kept the old app bundle ID
| ethanbond wrote:
| Sounds like Notion ownership to me!
| kamranahmedse wrote:
| Happened the same to me and I thought of some updater glitch
| until I visited their website.
|
| The schedule links I created with cron seem to be not working
| as well.
| harrismcc wrote:
| Exact same for me. Was late for my meeting because Cron just
| deleted itself from my computer entirely. Super annoying
| HelloFellowDevs wrote:
| +1 for this, I didn't even know they had gotten acquired by
| Notion at all. It just updated and disappeared, this article
| was how I found out why!
| gdudeman wrote:
| I've been using Cron for the last year and a half and migrated
| from Vimcal.
|
| It's a delightful calendar with all the modern keyboard shortcuts
| including Vim's J/K for previous next and logical shortcuts for
| everything else (m for month view, w for week view, c for create,
| etc.).
|
| It's speedy. (Hopefully Notion keeps it that way and doesn't
| introduce Notion's annoying lag)
|
| They've nailed the details: - meeting participants are easy and
| logically sorted - you can move an event between calendars and
| accounts with no hiccups (Apple Calendar used to die on this
| repeatedly) - they expose just the right amount of information
| for a calendar invitation in the right order - Title, Time,
| participants, conferencing, then location - so you can tab
| through and hit enter when it's done
|
| Conferencing is great - select your app and the meeting is
| automatically generated and added.
|
| It has Vimcal-like sharing mode where you can block off time and
| autogenerate either an easy to read list of available times and
| dates or you can opt to append a link so people can book online
| and see current availability. I have a couple of quibbles with
| this implementation - it's hard to add 15 minutes to a selection
| - but overall it's quite elegant.
|
| The last thing that delights me far more than it should: Command-
| Shift-J opens your Meet / Zoom / Whathaveyou no matter where you
| are on your computer.
| guytv wrote:
| how does it compare to google calendar? From the video, it
| seems to have almost identical UI. is that indeed the case?
| ethanbond wrote:
| The UX _was_ just way, way better.
|
| That said, it's clearly been neglected since the Notion
| acquisition. IMO it has gotten actively worse/buggier, and
| the mobile app hasn't seemed to improve at all? I am not
| hopeful for its stewardship under Notion, given how clunky
| Notion is. The _entire_ value prop of Cron is the lack of
| clunk.
|
| I've switched to Amie (amie.co) and been really enjoying it.
| The aesthetic is a bit overly "playful" for my personal
| preferences but it's decidedly not-clunky, which is what I
| care about.
|
| FWIW: Cron and Amie both sit on top of Google Calendar.
| They're just better frontends. So it's not really an "either-
| or" type decision.
| gdudeman wrote:
| I find Google calendar on desktop to have a bunch of little
| annoyances relative to Cron.
|
| Examples: - When you create an event, it pops over your
| calendar instead of on the right - You can't easily tab
| through the event creation process - Not simple to share a
| list of available times for scheduling with external users -
| To switch which calendar my event is going on, I have to
| click to expand, then click to change
|
| Cron (excuse me, Notion Calendar) is just cleaner.
|
| I know there are ways to make a web app act like a desktop
| app, but I prefer installing an app and being able to jump to
| it or open it from Command-Space on Mac.
| mmcclure wrote:
| I won't rehash what others have said in the thread (UX good,
| etc, all of which I agree with).
|
| I explored switching away from Cron a few weeks ago because I
| use Fastmail for personal stuff, and the thing I found myself
| struggling to live without is the global shortcut for joining
| the current meeting. It feels silly to say, but I freaking
| love that feature.
| pneff wrote:
| On Mac I can recommend MeetingBar [1] for that.
|
| [1] https://meetingbar.app/
| nklmilojevic wrote:
| Raycast also has this natively + Alfred has a plugin for
| it.
| webwielder2 wrote:
| May this be more successful than Dropbox's acquisition of
| Mailbox.
| muhammadusman wrote:
| Oof! What a great app ruined by a bad acquisition!
| throwaway689236 wrote:
| Is there a calendar that can show the whole year and mark days
| with different colors if there are all-day events? For some
| reason calendar apps don't treat year view as something important
| which is crazy to me. I like to have an overview when planning
| vacations and stuff like that.
| jianshen wrote:
| Second this. I've written my own private Google Apps script
| specifically for this view and I wish more calendar apps would
| do the same. Maybe I haven't looked hard enough.
| smeej wrote:
| I've been looking for this kind of feature for a long time.
| Lots of orgs need to plan out certain things over the whole
| year with their various teams (you don't want two teams trying
| to do their biggest fundraising at the same time, for example),
| and it boggles my mind that calendar companies don't make this
| easy to see.
| j45 wrote:
| I have found a few excel templates that print out the whole
| year on a tabloid piece of paper.
|
| There's one landscape template that works well enough that it
| could also look good on a monitor. If I can find the original
| link to it I can share it if interested. I ended up writing a
| script that just populates the excel template until I get
| around to replacing it, or discovering it.
| jabroni_salad wrote:
| I really like Teamup's year and timeline views. Set it to
| multiweek for 30 weeks and span it across all your screens:
| http://teamup.com/examples/ex12
|
| I also keep a printed copy of this at my desk.
| https://davidseah.com/node/compact-calendar/
| dewey wrote:
| I was looking for the same recently, would be especially nice
| for vacations and remote working periods. It feels like the
| best method is still a paper wall calendar and a marker which
| is a bit surprising. If someone has any suggestions I'd be
| excited to give them a try!
|
| https://twitter.com/tehwey/status/1614201251356463106
| j45 wrote:
| I don't think its crazy either. Having a view of your year with
| major things that require lead ups and follow up is critical.
| It actually makes the year go much smoother.
| kevinob11 wrote:
| I wanted this so bad I wrote up a quick personal app that pulls
| from a couple of subscribed Google calendars and does almost
| exactly like what you are asking for. I don't know how anyone
| plans multi-day events without it. Huge for family meetings
| where we are planning out the year.
| Leftium wrote:
| OneView Calendar did this (even multi-year), but it seems dead,
| now:
|
| -
| https://web.archive.org/web/20191029164736/http://www.onevie...
|
| - https://hw.leftium.com/#/item/11846108
|
| - https://hw.leftium.com/#/item/13601391
|
| - Demo (try zooming out):
| https://web.archive.org/web/20191003004300/http://app.onevie...
| nsriv wrote:
| Was really interested in this at the time of Cron's acquisition,
| hoping it would mean Cron would be cross-platform (specifically
| on Android). 18 months for ecosystem integration and a rebrand
| and no platform expansion.
| DavideNL wrote:
| The thing that has always stopped me from using Notion is that
| it's not end-to-end encrypted. So much personal data will be
| uploaded, with the possibility of abuse and/or getting stolen in
| a leak, or as often happens, some other company buying them
| including all your data, and changing the policies;
|
| For tasks i've been using OmniFocus, which is an excellent app.
| e2e + syncs between all devices.
|
| Haven't found a good Calendar app yet of the same quality...
| jbverschoor wrote:
| Noteplan combines them quite nicely, although the calendar part
| still needs a lot of work
| mulderc wrote:
| Fantastical?
| zuccs wrote:
| Price just got jacked, again.
| jbverschoor wrote:
| Looks like anyother calendar.. I actually like the way Hey
| looks/works
| smeej wrote:
| As soon as someone invents a calendar/to-do app that helps you
| schedule your next tasks by using AI to reduce context switching
| (e.g., can tell from a meeting's attendees and a project's
| responsible parties that you're probably thinking about the right
| type of topic, and this is the optimal break in your calendar to
| hammer out this task), it'll be worth changing things up.
|
| Until then the improvements are too small to be worth the time
| cost to switch.
| jitl wrote:
| Notion Calendar is a Google a calendar client. If you use
| Google Calendar the "cost" to "switchl to this app is one click
| + OAuth to log in, and (optional) however much time it takes to
| pick the keyboard shortcuts.
|
| (I work at Notion but not on Calendar)
| smeej wrote:
| I don't (and won't) use Google Calendar, so there's still a
| cost to me.
|
| In fairness, I don't use Notion either, and wouldn't start
| for a calendar (I've tried, but I seem to be one of the odd
| people for whom Notion is radically, deeply unintuitive), so
| this particular switch wasn't on the table for me in the
| first place.
| marcinzm wrote:
| Isn't that what Clockwise (https://www.getclockwise.com/) aims
| to do?
| smeej wrote:
| I actually wasn't thinking about the team scheduling element,
| though that seems really useful especially in scrappy teams
| that have to wear a lot of hats and sync ad hoc a lot.
|
| I was thinking more about the task side, where if I had come
| from a meeting about, say, marketing, and only had half an
| hour until another meeting, I might be able to knock out a
| marketing-related task because I was already in that
| headspace, whereas a similarly complex task about some other
| topic would require more of a context shift.
| lbrunson wrote:
| Working on this over at https://beta.flexibly.ai
| smeej wrote:
| Do you have a mockup video or docs or something that would
| help me get a better sense of what this hopes to be? I'm not
| able to find much info on the linked page or on X about it.
| jonny-bravo wrote:
| It's not "AI", but Motion's (not to be confused with Notion)
| algorithm is pretty good.
|
| When you add a task, you specify an urgency, time estimate, and
| what "schedule" it belongs to (e.g. work, personal, etc).
| Schedules are different categories with their own "slots" of
| time that a task can fill. You can also specify whether to use
| chunking, which lets the algorithm break a task into multiple
| events based on the "minimum chunk duration" you set for that
| task.
|
| For example, let's say you create a 9-5 "schedule" for work.
| It's currently 3pm. You add two tasks:
|
| - 3h, Task A, low priority, set min chunk duration to 1h
|
| - 1h, Task B, high priority
|
| Motion will schedule this as follows:
|
| - 3-4pm today, Task B
|
| - 4-5pm today, Task A
|
| - 9-11am tomorrow, Task A
|
| If you were to swap the urgencies, it will automatically
| reschedule those tasks (and any tasks that follow it, assuming
| they are marked as "auto-schedule")
|
| Tbh the only problem is it's price. I use it quite a lot but
| I'm not sure I'll renew my annual subscription next month.
|
| There's also Reclaim.ai, but I found Motion was faster to use
| and had a better UI
| smeej wrote:
| These are on the way toward what I mean for sure. They're
| still missing the element of, "Your last meeting was with
| Alice and Bob, who are in Marketing. You have half an hour
| before you have to leave to get to a client meeting, so you
| can probably knock out this marketing-related task because
| you're in that headspace, but this equally involved task
| planning the details of an event in a week might require too
| much of a context shift to get done right now."
|
| Those are the types of little time blocks I lose all the time
| because I can't switch fast enough, whereas if a tool could
| figure out my contexts well, it might really be able to
| surface things when I'm already in the right headspace.
|
| It's not going to be perfect. Maybe Alice and Bob are part of
| the event for the next week too, because they're also on the
| company softball team with me and the tool wouldn't
| necessarily know we were actually meeting about the event,
| but even switching to the task of "review task list to choose
| a task I might be able to get done now" is one context shift
| too many when I have a short gap.
| muhammadusman wrote:
| This looks a lot like the default macOS calendar app, enough that
| I went back to Calendar.app and added back my calendars and now
| I'm using it again. Someone else mentioned no offline support
| which is a big thing for me, I like to clean up my calendar and
| other "productivity" related areas like Reminders, Notes, etc
| while I'm on long flights which often don't have internet access.
| jstummbillig wrote:
| Increasingly less so, I am sure?
| HumblyTossed wrote:
| Why would you be so sure?
| square_usual wrote:
| Most long flights these days have internet access!
| bnchrch wrote:
| Been a happy cron user for 2 years now.
|
| Here's the real improvements as I see them
|
| 1. You get a push notification that includes a join button 1
| minute before your meetings
|
| 2. You always have a heads up to how long to your next meeting,
| or how long left in your current meeting
|
| 3. I can schedule/find time with coworkers in 2 clicks
|
| 4. I can see my coworkers timezones
|
| 5. I can replace calendly for sharing my availability.
|
| But none of them have to do with Notion so far.
| eitland wrote:
| > You get a push notification that includes a join button 1
| minute before your meetings
|
| Why this still isn't an option in every calendar application
| in 2024 is beyond me.
|
| My current Outlook is at least better than whatever I had
| before: Now I can at least choose a reminder 5 minutes before
| something start instead of only increments from $NOW.
| confoundcofound wrote:
| I'm a long time Cron user but didn't know it had Calendly
| functionality. How do you share availability?
| yeutterg wrote:
| I think it's only the "Share availability" functionality.
| You can drag times you are available, then it copies text
| to your clipboard like this, plus a booking link:
|
| Would 30 min during any of these times (all in PST) work
| for you?
|
| - Tomorrow Thu Jan 18, 3-5:45 PM
|
| - Fri Jan 19, 12:15-5:45 PM
|
| - Sat Jan 20, 8 AM - 5:45 PM
|
| You can just let me know or confirm here: [link]
|
| What's nice is that you can also change the time zone so
| the other person sees the suggestions in their time zone.
|
| I don't think you can just do a generic scheduling link
| like Calendly, you have to pick the times first.
| Oarch wrote:
| An aside, but was anyone else horrified at the state of that
| calendar? I'd catch fire after a few days of running at 100%
| every given hour. Normalise a bit of downtime, yeesh.
| swalling wrote:
| Maker schedule vs. manager schedule
| https://www.paulgraham.com/makersschedule.html
| apocalyptic0n3 wrote:
| I had never seen this before. Really puts into perspective
| some of the struggles I've dealt with from chaotic schedules
| and a transition toward management. It has me thinking I need
| to be more conscious of how I schedule meetings for others.
| Thanks for this!
| gardenhedge wrote:
| Are Calendars hot in 2024? HEY and now Notion.
| nsriv wrote:
| Todoist finally getting around to it as well.
| syngrog66 wrote:
| Notion: ugh. Forced to use it a few times and it was a UX circus.
| I've come to see it as a sign of a broken shop to avoid, or bail
| early as possible.
| lemonberry wrote:
| I tried Notion a few years ago. Definitely a slick and polished
| app. And clearly useful to a lot of people. But I'll never get
| used to the idea of putting that much of my life or business into
| a web app.
|
| Between potential terms of service changes, potential security
| issues and now potential misuse via AI (and I LOVE AI) I just
| will never be comfortable having that much information in someone
| else's web app.
| azemetre wrote:
| I feel the same way, I've never been steered wrong just using
| markdown and grep'ing my notes.
|
| Obviously not advanced as notion but I'm just writing text
| here, it doesn't need to be advanced.
|
| The hardest part when writing is the act of writing itself, web
| apps just seem too bloated for my use case of simple text.
| wyre wrote:
| I was using Notion, but I found Obisidian to be very similar,
| maybe less powerful out of the box, but feels much better to
| use. All files are written in Markdown and stored on device (or
| in iCloud or wherever), has a "marketplace" for user designed
| themes and plugins.
| psc wrote:
| I like Obsidian too, but the one thing it really can't do
| that Notion does well is collaboration. And surprisingly I
| haven't seen any good plugins that solve this problem (to be
| fair it's not an easy problem).
| rubymamis wrote:
| That's why I'm working on a local-first with native-like
| performance Notion alternative using Qt C++ and QML called
| Plume[1]. It uses an advanced block editor[2] that I built from
| scratch. All notes are simply plaintext/markdown underneath.
| Advanced blocks (like Kanban, for example) uses very simple
| syntax, for example: {{kanban}} # Todo
| - [ ] item 1 - [ ] item 2 # In Progress - [ ]
| item 1 - [ ] item 2 {{/kanban}}
|
| [1] https://www.get-plume.com/
|
| [2] https://imgur.com/NIgDLOU
| nklmilojevic wrote:
| From what I see, this doesn't compare to Notion. Notion is
| not typically used as a note-taking app, but rather as an
| internal wiki.
| rubymamis wrote:
| It will support inter-note linking. So you could build your
| own personal wiki using Plume. The main difference with
| Notion will be real-time collaboration (which Plume doesn't
| support).
| j45 wrote:
| Collaboration is definitely where all note taking apps go
| as soon as more people need to access your notes or
| participate in them as a group
| rubymamis wrote:
| There is still a huge market for personal note-taking
| apps. Obsidian, Joplin, Bear, Logseq, just to name a few.
| Plume will support sharing notes, and maybe some form of
| non-real-time collaboration (think git-like) in the
| future.
| j45 wrote:
| Personal note taking by no means is solved but lots of
| much better options coming out like the ones you
| mentioned.
|
| Still, my personal knowledge graph is great but only so
| useful in the cases when it's about more than me. Double
| entry and maintaining anything is a pain especially with
| a lot of notes.
|
| I think the markdown notes as graph software may finally
| bring some good opportunities to sharing certain tags in
| certain ways and not others. If logseq and obsidian could
| do "plugin groups" instead of installing them
| individually that would be amazing
|
| Even if something is documented for myself I might tag it
| shareable. One example is how much I'm proactively
| recording a loom for doing anything as I work instead of
| when it's needed. Handoff or asking or help is much
| easier.
| nklmilojevic wrote:
| I didn't intend to undermine your efforts, by the way. I
| hope it becomes successful and thrives.
| CharlieDigital wrote:
| What is a wiki but a set of notes?
| nklmilojevic wrote:
| Are we discussing a personal wiki or an internal company
| wiki? There is a significant distinction between the two.
| j45 wrote:
| The biggest omission in Notion is that it does not have an
| honest or complete offline-first mode.
|
| Internet connectivity can vary. People still fly and waiting on
| slow wifi or data is not acceptable. 30% slower internet speeds
| makes you work 30% slower.
|
| I quite liked notion otherwise. I just think they will always
| fight this issue for a group of people who would pay and use it
| for a long time who may have previously outgrown OneNote,
| Evernote, etc.
| ryanSrich wrote:
| This is why I love using obsidian. It's just a directory of
| markdown files on my computer.
| bluescrn wrote:
| I took a look at it not so long ago, they were pushing AI
| features rather too aggressively, essentially turning the
| cursor into an advert for them.
|
| I noped out very rapidly.
| HumblyTossed wrote:
| Sigh. Can we please stop hijacking existing names???
| fudged71 wrote:
| Maybe I'm not understanding the directionality of this
| integration.
|
| I have items in a Notion database that have dates, status,
| dependencies, notes, etc. which are assigned to me the user (as a
| Person property using the Assignee type)
|
| I have set up Notion Calendar and connected it to this same
| workspace.
|
| The Notion calendar is not showing these assigned Tasks.
|
| Is this meant to be used in reverse where you create an event in
| the calendar and add links to Notion pages? How exactly is that
| different from just putting links to your Notion docs in an any
| calendar event description?
|
| And is there any place in Notion to edit events as a database?
| fudged71 wrote:
| Edit: I found it!
|
| On any(?) database there is now an "Open in Calendar" button on
| the top right of the database
|
| However, it doesn't filter to just the ones assigned to you.
| The full database goes into your calendar. And the calendar app
| doesn't show properties besides the title and datetime.
| Adrig wrote:
| Try creating a calendar view in your database and filter it
| with your name or any properties. It works for me.
| nklmilojevic wrote:
| I don't see the appeal of web-based calendar apps. They should be
| native and able to work offline. Fantastical is a great example
| of such an app.
| manmal wrote:
| Native: (As a native app dev I much prefer native apps, but)
| 95+% of people don't care
|
| Offline: Doesn't matter unless you're on workation in the
| hinterlands - even cheap flights usually offer wifi now
|
| I have to use Notion for my current gig and I've never seen the
| offline page.
| sarreph wrote:
| I'd love to give it a try, but the permissions list in the auth
| dialog is crazy. Including: "See and download your organisation's
| G Suite directory", "permanently delete all the calendars that
| you can access using Google Calendar", "permanently delete your
| contacts".
|
| I am reasonably sure they need (maybe _need_ here is too-strong a
| word) those permissions in order to perform certain operations on
| my calendar, but it just seems so scary to give another company
| that level of control over my Google account.
|
| I do wish we had more granular permissions across a lot of
| services out there (e.g. Google, Slack, GitHub), because I can't
| be alone in not trying something that looks cool because it has
| the ability to wipe my account out.
| ryanSrich wrote:
| It's totally a failure of the platforms. Some of the
| permissions I've had to request from the Slack API to do the
| simplest things are insane. Not to mention the "justification"
| for requesting certain scopes. Like what? You want me to
| justify a permission that I have no justification for, and I
| only need it to do this other very unrelated operation.
| philsnow wrote:
| This is a perennial issue with Oauth2, but it's way better than
| what we had to live with before (pretty much just handing the
| third party your login).
|
| I get exactly why apps ask for the moon when they're asking for
| oauth scopes: to reduce friction. They judge (probably rightly)
| that if they first ask for a minimal set which accounts for 90%
| of usage and then later have to ask the user for more
| permissions later when they want to do a 10% task, that some
| proportion of users will not "convert" / won't finish granting
| the extra permission, even if it means they can't do the task
| they were trying to do.
|
| So, they ask for the superset of all permissions their app
| currently needs (and some permissions that are still just
| planned functionality), and hope (again, probably rightly) that
| users won't really care and will just click through. This
| creates nightmare issues for infosec teams.
|
| Some sites/apps will ask for the kitchen sink omnibus scope
| buffet, and then if you click the "oh no thank you, cancel"
| button on that scopes screen, will actually present you with a
| reduced set of scopes. They do this without explaining what's
| happening or why.
|
| Mobile platforms are getting better about allowing very fine-
| grained access to permissions. At least on ios, apps that want
| to access your photos can be given access to only a subset of
| them. You can pick and choose when to provide location data,
| etc.
|
| I wish there were an Oauth2 proxy service or something, which
| let you give apps whatever scopes they ask for, but which would
| then either fail API requests that use scopes that you're not
| actually okay with, or else give valid but not 100% true API
| responses.
| konaraddi wrote:
| Why does the iOS app for Notion Calendar require signing in with
| a Google account? I'm surprised they don't have an option to sign
| in with a Notion account.
| darrenBaldwin03 wrote:
| Sad. Why can't Notion just focus on fixing bugs and polishing
| existing product features instead of going crazy with stuff
| absolutely no one asked for?
| alephnan wrote:
| Venture capital funding
| Adrig wrote:
| I have to disagree here. Events, reminders, deadlines and
| calendars are key to any project management. So far, the built-
| in calendar view wasn't good enough for anything substantial.
| Having a proper calendar experience could make me switch over
| for those use cases, and more.
| cloudking wrote:
| Seems like they are venturing into Google Workspace and Office
| 365 territory. May be part of a bigger strategy.
| ripply wrote:
| The example calendar they show makes me anxious and realize that
| even though I run my life from a calendar, I don't want to
| micromanage my time to that extent. Even if I became incredibly
| productive through use of the product, I never want that kind of
| life.
| jddj wrote:
| My partner does this, it's completely full every week including
| scheduled leisure.
|
| I'm lucky if even all of my meetings are in mine.
| jtthe13 wrote:
| Probably an unpopular opinion but the lack of MS365 support
| prevents me from considering this seriously as I must combine MS
| and Google calendars.
| tiffanyh wrote:
| Is Notion still slow?
|
| I really wanted to love Notion but stopped using it due to how
| slow it was.
|
| Is that still a problem?
| cybrox wrote:
| Yes and no.
|
| Performance on my desktop PC with good internet connection is
| really good. Even working together on something is seamless.
|
| Opening my shopping list on the mobile app that takes like 5s
| to start and another 5s to load due to bad connection... not so
| much.
|
| Their no-offline implementation is starting to bug me more and
| more and I have moved away from it for a lot of things.
|
| I still really like their clipper addon, though. I use that to
| rapidly store articles I want to read later on desktop and
| mobile Firefox. Storing is fast and retrieving is fast enough
| if I have time to read an article anyways.
| tiffanyh wrote:
| I'm surprised Notion is still using .so when they own .com
|
| ccTLD (.so) are more prone to outages & risk then gTLD (.com)
|
| And for any company, especially SaaS, safeguarding your domain
| (and uptime) is an exercise is financial de-risking.
| mastazi wrote:
| I wanted to try this, but the dialog said I need a Google account
| to use it and I don't have one.
| justinzollars wrote:
| I'm not sure I need this. I'm pretty satisfied with google
| calendar.
| zui wrote:
| I was excited for this until I realized that this seems like just
| a Google Calendar client ...
|
| I can't even sign in with my own notion's account
| pentagrama wrote:
| Sidenote: this page is so sluggish to scroll on my $500 midrange
| phone. Not a good sign for the brand. Or maybe Firefox?
| maccard wrote:
| I use notion for work, and it's _awfully_ slow.
|
| This site isn't performant on my M1 mac...
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