[HN Gopher] How virtualisation came to Apple Silicon Macs
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How virtualisation came to Apple Silicon Macs
Author : ingve
Score : 104 points
Date : 2024-01-11 20:10 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| chmaynard wrote:
| Scooped again! Either @ingve never sleeps or he/she runs a bot
| that posts new content to HN 24/7.
| swyx wrote:
| based on their 3-5 post a day post history... theres probably
| some amount of curation in theree
| loeg wrote:
| > Either @ingve never sleeps or he/she runs a bot that posts
| new content to HN 24/7.
|
| Yes. Holy cow: https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=ingve
| daft_pink wrote:
| When will they allow windows?
| axoltl wrote:
| I'm not sure I understand the question. You can virtualize
| Windows on Apple Silicon[0]. Running Windows natively is
| entirely up to Microsoft, but I believe they've indicated they
| have no plans for it.
|
| [0]: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/options-for-
| usin...
| kjkjadksj wrote:
| ARM builds of Windows already exist, seems to me its up to
| the Apple bootcamp team to update their drivers. I'd guess no
| one works in that department anymore considering I have had a
| pending bootcamp update fail to be signed for several years
| now for my intel mac.
| tonyedgecombe wrote:
| They did say there would be no bootcamp support for Apple
| Silicon when it was originally announced.
| smith7018 wrote:
| You might have noticed that you can't exactly purchase an
| ARM build of Windows, right? That's because Microsoft has
| an exclusivity deal with Qualcomm for Windows on ARM. Until
| that's over, there's no way for Apple to legally run
| Windows on their hardware nor make drivers for the
| platform. The ball has long been in Microsoft's court.
| abujazar wrote:
| I dont't care much for Windows, but I've been
| virtualizing pre-release arm64 Windows 11 on macOS since
| 2021.
| Tsiklon wrote:
| Microsoft 'authorize' Windows 11 to run on Parallels
| desktop - https://support.microsoft.com/en-
| us/windows/options-for-usin...
|
| That website claims that license keys are platform
| agnostic.
| jxdxbx wrote:
| Linux developers didn't need Apple to do anything to
| support Linux. Drivers are nice for trackpad, etc though.
| Cu3PO42 wrote:
| They didn't need anything, but they did get something
| from Apple. Originally, you could only boot Mach-O images
| on Apple Silicon, which needed workarounds from the Asahi
| team, but then Apple added the ability to boot raw images
| (whatever that means exactly in this context), which
| Asahi, but notably not Apple itself, is now using.
| sys_64738 wrote:
| Nested virtualization isn't currently supported by Apple but
| WSL1 is functional.
| jbverschoor wrote:
| No hardware support on M1, but it's available on the rest.
| No support in the virt/hyper kits yet
| stcredzero wrote:
| Does this entail a change to Docker Desktop on MacOS? (For the
| better?)
| numbsafari wrote:
| That would be up to Docker
| samcat116 wrote:
| Docker changed to this system long ago AFAIK
| georgelyon wrote:
| Docker already uses many of these frameworks on macOS (look in
| Docker settings to confirm).
| BrianHenryIE wrote:
| I thought it would be convenient to virtualize an old MacBook 12"
| I have onto my M1 MBA so I installed a MacOS VM with Parallels
| and plugged in my Time Machine backup to restore it to the VM and
| was surprised to learn:
|
| > It is currently not possible to connect any USB device to a
| macOS Arm VM yet.
|
| https://kb.parallels.com/en/128867
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