[HN Gopher] OpenAI says it's "impossible" to create AI models wi...
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       OpenAI says it's "impossible" to create AI models without
       copyrighted material
        
       Author : freeqaz
       Score  : 9 points
       Date   : 2024-01-09 22:02 UTC (58 minutes ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (arstechnica.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (arstechnica.com)
        
       | Raed667 wrote:
       | Then don't
        
       | zgs wrote:
       | Bollocks. There is lots of out of copyright content available. It
       | just requires a person in the loop to assess the status.
       | 
       | If it truely were impossible, then it sounds like they've just
       | admitted that they should have licensed the content rather than
       | using it without permission.
        
         | gorkish wrote:
         | Would you be comfortable educating yourself or your own
         | children without the use of any copyrighted material
         | whatsoever?
         | 
         | AI's gonna get trained on it no matter what; nobody wants a
         | product that isn't. By the time OpenAI takes the bullet we will
         | have killed nothing.
        
       | achrono wrote:
       | So much for all the altruism, and with this kind of an argument
       | they really are scraping the bottom of the barrel -- it isn't the
       | first time a company is lying to a government committee, it isn't
       | the first time a company has claimed to be moral perfection
       | incarnate only to turn out to be a non-repentant defiler, so we
       | should all be prepared to expect worse going forward from OpenAI.
        
         | JohnFen wrote:
         | To be fair, OpenAI made it very clear what they were about back
         | when they ditched being open and made that multibillion dollar
         | deal with Microsoft.
         | 
         | Don't listen to what they say, watch what they do.
        
       | lotsoweiners wrote:
       | I can't open a store without something to sell so it sounds like
       | neither of us have an actual business model.
        
       | JohnFen wrote:
       | Tough.
       | 
       | OpenAI's wholesale abuse of the internet has made the internet no
       | longer an acceptable place for me to distribute data and writing
       | to the general public. I have no sympathy whatsoever for them.
        
       | kelseyfrog wrote:
       | Let them fight. Copyright transfer as it exists regarding work
       | for hire is a legal fiction.
        
       | genman wrote:
       | In principle they are not wrong as everything produced is
       | effectively copyrighted and only released 70 years after authors
       | death after what everything is completely outdated and
       | irrelevant.
        
       | tonetegeatinst wrote:
       | I think the real crime is that they keep on getting the PR for
       | being "open source" and for safe ai development.
       | 
       | They arnt open sourcing their models and they are actually
       | monetizing it. As for AI safety.....its so grey aread. Uncensored
       | models have a place in this community, and trying to suppress
       | them or claim their is no use for them is just insane to me.
       | 
       | What one person views as a moral or ethical response another
       | might view as wrong. This is all culture and also based on your
       | country's views which help form individual perspectives.
       | 
       | I think a big issue with AI other than the hardware barriers is
       | that we have no clue if the amazing developments in the field
       | will keep up with the same pace or stagnate. We can't accurately
       | tell when we have hit the theoretical limit, or when we have true
       | AGI.
        
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