[HN Gopher] Building an e-ink picture frame that displays an iCl...
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       Building an e-ink picture frame that displays an iCloud photo album
        
       Author : benborgers
       Score  : 206 points
       Date   : 2024-01-09 16:45 UTC (6 hours ago)
        
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       | jer0me wrote:
       | This is really neat! I have a receipt printer I've been meaning
       | to do something cool with--I think it can even handle images.
        
       | JKCalhoun wrote:
       | > I bought this pack of 8x10 frames off Amazon
       | 
       | Thrift stores (in the U.S.) are gold mines for picture frames.
       | And they probably cost you only a few bucks.
        
         | jmlim00 wrote:
         | You are absolutely correct. When I built my eink display
         | calendar, I sourced picture frame for $2 at a local Goodwill
         | store.
        
       | dt3ft wrote:
       | I built something similar with raspberry pi zero 2 w. Instead of
       | showing icloud album, I fetch a paper-edition newspaper frontpage
       | using headless chrome and display it. The display is made by
       | waveshare, quite on the pricy side.
        
       | JKCalhoun wrote:
       | > iCloud photo albums have no API. However, if you share an
       | iCloud photo album to a public link, you can use the Developer
       | Tools to inspect the API requests Apple is making to get the
       | photos.
       | 
       | That's clever. I tried something similar to get shared Calendar
       | (Apple) events for the eInk project I put together. I wish there
       | were a better, less hackish API I could have called.
        
         | kridsdale1 wrote:
         | Apple Calendar server uses CalDAV. If you could see the data
         | after authenticating it should be quite parse-able. You could
         | also share your iCloud calendar with an account that is logged
         | in on hardware you own like an old Mac, and use the EventKit
         | framework to send copies of the data to whatever custom server
         | you wanted.
        
         | dewey wrote:
         | Yep, just switch the calendar to "public" and you can just use
         | it with any CalDav client or icalendar libraries like
         | https://github.com/pat/calendav. Nothing hacky about that, just
         | a standard.
        
       | livealight wrote:
       | Very neat! Did a similar project with AI generated images. Fun
       | for days with this kind of cheap hardware!
        
       | acdha wrote:
       | I'm mildly surprised that this isn't an official product. I have
       | half a dozen relatives I'd give "AirFrames" to if Apple made them
       | or let a third party do it, especially if they had decent
       | handling of Live Photos.
        
         | yetanother12345 wrote:
         | The keywords that you would want to enter into your preferred
         | search engine are:                  Digital Picture Frame
         | 
         | At this point in time that is already a regular product
         | category. The OP could just have bought one, but chose the DIY
         | path.
        
           | Thrymr wrote:
           | But none with an official fruit logo!
        
           | darknavi wrote:
           | Show me one that hooks up directly to iCloud though. We got
           | one for grandparents and its just full of proprietary crap
           | specific to that app.
        
             | wpsimon3 wrote:
             | We kinda got something like this working for a relative.
             | They have an "Aura" frame, and in their app you can set a
             | watch folder/album. So we have a shared iCloud album set as
             | the source and it automatically updates based on the images
             | in that shared album.
        
               | sfilmeyer wrote:
               | Yeah, we use an Aura hooked up to Google Photos rather
               | than iCloud, but I think it's similar from the Aura UX
               | perspective. It's super easy to use, and the photos just
               | show up in the frame rotation whenever we add a photo to
               | the corresponding album in Google Photos (which we
               | already use for backing up and organizing photos).
        
             | eli wrote:
             | The problem here is that iCloud _is_ the proprietary crap.
             | They don 't offer an appropriate API to get photos out.
             | It'd be easier if you were starting with pictures in
             | something more accessible.
             | 
             | That said, I think Aura frames will sync from iCloud via
             | their phone app. Not sure how well it works.
        
               | CharlesW wrote:
               | > _They don 't offer an appropriate API to get photos
               | out._
               | 
               | There's this:
               | https://developer.apple.com/documentation/photokit ("The
               | framework provides access to photos on the person's
               | device and in iCloud.")
               | 
               | If you want to use undocumented APIs on non-Apple devices
               | directly, there are projects like
               | https://github.com/steilerDev/icloud-photos-sync and
               | https://github.com/icloud-photos-
               | downloader/icloud_photos_do... that appear to be able to
               | do this.
        
               | jmelloy wrote:
               | I've got an app that uses that to upload to S3. It's
               | pretty straightforward.
        
               | eli wrote:
               | Yes, you have to build an app that runs on a device owned
               | by someone with access to the album.
               | 
               | Google Photos, by comparison, has a REST API.
        
           | bradly wrote:
           | I wanted to get a simple, high quality digital frame for some
           | older relatives and I had a hard time coming up with many
           | options to choose from. It seemed like there were two groups
           | of frames. Amazon cheapies and $600+ art frames. If you just
           | want a nice 10" inch digital frame of high quality and at
           | least moderate privacy from random apps with photo access
           | good luck.
        
           | throwaway83242 wrote:
           | Not really. Software for each of them is clunky. You have to
           | first buy one which is wifi enabled. Then you have to
           | download an app from manufacturer and create a login
           | password. Then you have to manually move/upload photos from
           | camera roll to the corresponding app. After this, you have to
           | to back to digital photo frame interface, select the
           | appropriate picture and then tap "display this photo".
           | 
           | All of this should be one step. Ideally Like airdrop. I say
           | "share" and it should magically show up on the photo frame. I
           | should be able to download pics from reddit/imgur and display
           | it on photo frame using a CLI/API.
        
           | michelb wrote:
           | Yeah, and almost all of them suck, in terms of build quality,
           | features, privacy and software.
        
           | acdha wrote:
           | Which of those integrate with iCloud? Generic picture frames
           | tend to either use USB or their own cloud services/mobile
           | apps, and the exceptions are things like this guy had to do
           | making the album public which many people aren't willing to
           | do.
        
         | carlosjobim wrote:
         | The official product is E-Ink Spectra, as of 2023 it has a
         | complete colour spectrum. Not cheap, though.
         | 
         | https://myereader.net/e-ink-spectra-6.html
         | 
         | https://youtu.be/TEqTg-Pjiag
         | 
         | Edit: And I don't know of any consumer-ready solutions.
        
         | germinalphrase wrote:
         | I haven't dug into it enough to see if there's an iPhoto
         | integration, but the Aura frames - generally - have good UX and
         | image quality. They've universally been a hit with
         | grandparents.
        
         | afavour wrote:
         | I wish Apple would let you do it with old iPads. I know there
         | are apps you can use but it's a notably inferior experience to
         | a dedicated frame.
         | 
         | I have a second generation (I think) iPad mini that can barely
         | run most web sites and has an OS version too old for most apps.
         | Would be a great boost to Apple's claims for caring about the
         | environment.
        
           | CharlesW wrote:
           | > _I know there are apps you can use but it's a notably
           | inferior experience to a dedicated frame._
           | 
           | Can you elaborate on how it's inferior? I was thinking of
           | doing this and imagined it'd be straightforward with Single
           | App Mode.
        
             | afavour wrote:
             | I'd love for someone to prove me wrong here but I have a
             | Google Home that I'd like to replace with an iPad. One
             | thing it does beyond just showing pictures is brighten and
             | dim the screen according to ambient light. When the lights
             | are off it dims entirely into a night mode-like display
             | that just shows the time. I've not seen an iOS app capable
             | of the same (I'm not even sure if API access allows it?)
        
               | CharlesW wrote:
               | Good point, this is important to think about.
               | 
               | > _I 've not seen an iOS app capable of the same (I'm not
               | even sure if API access allows it?)_
               | 
               | I don't believe apps can change system brightness
               | settings themselves, but iOS does have an auto-brightness
               | feature, and the app can additionally dim images or
               | change what's displayed based on brightness or movement
               | (using Camera access), time of day, and other signals.
        
           | jph wrote:
           | If you're open to donating it, you can give it to an elderly
           | care home of your choice, so the home can use it for WiFi
           | FaceTime. For examples see https://BoldContacts.org.
        
         | Shadowmist wrote:
         | https://apps.apple.com/us/app/aura-frames/id990062908
         | 
         | I didn't check to see if it can play from a photo stream
         | directly, because I prefer to use the share button in Photos to
         | send to the app. It handles Live Photos just fine, and will put
         | vertical photos side by side.
        
           | acdha wrote:
           | The killer function for me would be a private shared folder
           | so new pictures would automatically go to the grandparents.
           | If the Aura software does that, I might have to replace the
           | ones they have currently.
        
             | TwiztidK wrote:
             | I have a Google Photos album (shared with a few close
             | family members) that automatically adds photos of my
             | daughter and syncs them with the Aura frames her
             | grandparents have. We've had this setup for the last two
             | years and it works really well. I think it's literally the
             | use-case Aura is targeting.
        
         | renewiltord wrote:
         | I just have Google One or whatever, and have my photos synced
         | to both services. Then I use the Google home assistant frames.
         | They're pretty good:
         | 
         | - big enough but not intrusive
         | 
         | - go off automatically at night
         | 
         | - doubles as audio assistant
         | 
         | Overall, it works really well for us.
        
         | konschubert wrote:
         | I have been working on adding an image gallery wideget to the
         | The Invisible Smart Screen (https://shop.invisible-
         | computers.com)
         | 
         | The images look surprisingly good, even on the relatively
         | small, black-and-white display! It definitely has its own
         | aesthetic.
         | 
         | I need to hurry up and ship this! In the meantime, if you're a
         | dev, you can probably use the image url widget to build your
         | own image gallery: https://www.invisible-
         | computers.com/invisible-calendar/image...
        
         | threeio wrote:
         | 10,000 times this. I've bought a handful of Nixplays for my
         | family members, share pictures to them, etc... but an apple
         | ecosystem solution would be great.
        
         | trompetenaccoun wrote:
         | It's a good gift idea but seems like a lot of trouble to build
         | and maintain a consumer friendly version for what would be a
         | relatively cheap product. Because I can't imagine people paying
         | hundreds of dollars for that.
         | 
         | What he build looks cool but he set it up for his parents and
         | if you were to sell it to them directly it would have to work
         | out of the box. They'd have to be able to share the pictures
         | with the frame with airdrop or something like that. Or maybe an
         | SD card slot for Android users. Anything beyond that will be
         | too complicated for the average user.
        
           | sequoia wrote:
           | > Because I can't imagine people paying hundreds of dollars
           | for that.
           | 
           | We're talking apple customers here. I just spent $300 on "air
           | pods." Would I spend $300 on a two pack of AirFrames? Very
           | maybe! The value of sharing pics with grandparents is huge,
           | especially for those of us without facebook.
        
       | misterbwong wrote:
       | This is really cool! I love pet projects like this. Although, I
       | can't help but wonder why OP didn't put a frame around an ancient
       | Fire tablet or something else with an LCD screen and web browsing
       | out of the box.
       | 
       | Seems like it would result in a better experience (color) with
       | much less work and about the same price point.
        
         | adtac wrote:
         | Colour e-ink displays exist. We don't live in spaceships yet
         | but this is just as good.
        
         | ratg13 wrote:
         | You'd have to constantly power an LCD display.
         | 
         | With an e-ink device you could create something that only needs
         | to be recharged 1-2 times a year, or that is passively charged
         | off your WiFi.
        
           | samb1729 wrote:
           | > passively charged off your WiFi
           | 
           | I had no idea this is possible. Is there a name for power-
           | over-wifi?
        
             | KomoD wrote:
             | > Is there a name for power-over-wifi?
             | 
             | Yes, the name for power over wifi is power over wifi (or
             | PoWiFi).
             | 
             | But doesn't look like it's used at all in anything and uses
             | a special "PoWiFi router"(?)
             | 
             | https://modernmobile.cs.washington.edu/docs/powifi.pdf
        
         | benborgers wrote:
         | I thought about this! An old iPad also wouldn't have to be
         | rooted to show a website.
         | 
         | But ultimately I wanted something that could be in a bedroom
         | without glowing at night, which e-ink felt better suited for.
        
       | jgrahamc wrote:
       | I've built a few things with eink displays and I strongly
       | recommend NOT using simple picture frames (unless they fit
       | perfectly). One way to get a really good looking result is a
       | custom frame. There are tons of custom framing company that will
       | cheaply make you a frame that fits the display with the
       | appropriate cut out.
       | 
       | https://blog.jgc.org/2023/05/a-better-case-for-my-inkplate-1...
        
         | sho_hn wrote:
         | I did that for my Rust/LLM-based e-ink AI newspaper:
         | https://imgur.com/a/NoTr8XX
         | 
         | Custom frame by Halbe Rahmen, who I think make the most
         | magnificent frames in the world, with the most loving team
         | behind them. Not a shill; whenever I interact with the Halbe
         | staff for anything I feel it.
        
           | iamjackg wrote:
           | This is an incredible project. I love every bit of it. Well
           | done!
        
           | chrisweekly wrote:
           | cool project and writeup!
        
         | c-hendricks wrote:
         | The matte could be cut for any sized frame for another
         | alternatively cost effective option.
        
         | noman-land wrote:
         | Got any names of good quality and reasonably priced custom
         | framing shops?
        
           | hammock wrote:
           | They will all be local, or call your local Michael's, or else
           | try Framebridge.com
        
         | j45 wrote:
         | It's relatively easy to cut your own frame from Michael's or
         | haven't hem cut it too.
        
         | hammock wrote:
         | Have you considered MIP displays?(1) Memory-in-pixel displays
         | are commonly used on watches, wearables and they can display up
         | to 64 colors in theory. They have high-contrast even in bright
         | ambient conditions.
         | 
         | Example of a color MIP display is the Garmin handhelds:
         | https://www.garmin.com/en-US/p/553168
         | 
         | The largest one I can find in production is only 4 inches,(2)
         | but a tablet-sized one could be great as a display. They don't
         | use much power (just like e-ink) as a MIP watch can last 11+
         | months without a charge.
         | 
         | (1)https://www.sharpsde.com/technologies-for/memory-in-
         | pixels/m...
         | 
         | (2)https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/sharp-
         | microelectr...
        
           | hammock wrote:
           | AKA transflective, AKA Memory LCD. It neither looks as good
           | as the ipad, nor does it use no power (at idle) or read as
           | easily as the kindle. It still has to use a little power, but
           | it has the advantage of the fast refresh of an LCD, and a
           | million times better than the ipad in the sun
        
       | rahimnathwani wrote:
       | The device is running an Android app, rather than an OS and app
       | optimized for an always-on device.
       | 
       | I wonder whether the power consumption is much lower than that of
       | a regular tablet?
        
         | FirmwareBurner wrote:
         | Come on, Isn't Android, _the_ mobile OS, optimized for always
         | on devices?
        
           | rahimnathwani wrote:
           | I guess, but perhaps having an app in the foreground
           | increases power usage? For example, if this app accesses the
           | network a lot (not just when it's time to update the image)
           | this would result in the wifi chipset being awake for longer.
        
         | edent wrote:
         | The device is an eReader. The majority of battery power on
         | tablets goes to keeping the screen on and updating it 60 times
         | per-second.
         | 
         | The eInk screen is low power to change, and requires zero power
         | to stay on.
         | 
         | The device sleeps between screen refreshes, and the WiFi power
         | use in minimal.
         | 
         | My nook art screen lasts over a week with refreshes over the
         | day. I don't know of a tablet which has a screen-on time for
         | that long.
         | 
         | https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2021/09/turning-an-eink-screen-into...
        
           | rahimnathwani wrote:
           | Awesome. I now see that the app's Play store listing explains
           | this:                 When started, Electric Sign will
           | download and display a user-specified web page, then go to
           | sleep for a specified number of (minutes/hours/days). It will
           | then wake up, re-download and refresh the web page, and go
           | back to sleep again.
        
       | mrhargro wrote:
       | blahhh i really want to do a larger format one for art but scared
       | of the hardware part of it not being that technical. seems like
       | there are more people doing it.
        
         | eli wrote:
         | Visionect makes some excellent eInk displays that take care of
         | all the hardware for you. The tradeoff is they're not cheap.
        
       | dharma1 wrote:
       | Nice! The wood frame makes all the difference. Any way to add
       | auth so it doesn't have to be a publicly shared album?
       | 
       | Might do the same with a cheap/used OLED android tablet, though I
       | like the minimalism and power consumption of the e-ink tablet
        
       | cchance wrote:
       | I mean cool but... but really wasn't expecting shoving an eink
       | tablet in a frame lol, was excited for a new big eink display
       | with esp32 or raspi
        
       | bageler wrote:
       | very nice. Years ago I did something like this with an old
       | broken-but-working macbook for showing photos and cinemagraphs in
       | a frame. Similar matte, but I added a webserver so it would run
       | offline.
        
       | kkukshtel wrote:
       | Small promo here but: the inability to make collaborative photo
       | albums without some onerous signup/login/auth flow was one that
       | that recently inspired me to make this really simple moodboard
       | website:
       | 
       | https://mood.site
       | 
       | When you got to the site (a SPA) it generates a new view/edit url
       | for you. You can immediately drag photos onto the page to add to
       | the gallery, remove them, etc. If you share the edit link with
       | someone else, they can do all the same things. However if you
       | share the link without the edit portion, the site is view only.
       | The API is also public and just uses the edqit key query string
       | for auth (check the network traffic), so I've been building a few
       | apps on top of this as a sort of ad-hoc collaborative CDN thing.
       | 
       | I'm also working to build something similar to OP for my own
       | grandparents and use mood.site as the image backend.
        
       | afhfah834 wrote:
       | To me the interesting part of an e-ink frame is that it wouldn't
       | require any battery/cables (otherwise you might as well just get
       | a regular digital frame)
       | 
       | I would love if there were a product where you just program the
       | frame with a picture once by plugging it into your phone and
       | using an app
       | 
       | Then you never worry about batteries/cables and you can always
       | change the image later
       | 
       | To me that is the killer app
        
         | ghaff wrote:
         | At that point, why not print a few photos, put one in an easy
         | to change photo frame, and spend a couple minutes swapping them
         | out now and then?
         | 
         | My brother tried to get my dad setup with Apple Music which he
         | spent an afternoon frustrated with. OK, the UI isn't the best
         | but I'm not sure anyone else's is better. I ended up getting
         | him a desktop CD player, gave him a bunch of CDs I don't need
         | any longer, and he's very happy. Sometimes the old (OK not
         | quite) analog approaches are better.
         | 
         | ADDED: My (younger) brother rolled his eyes a bit and was a bit
         | surprised CDs even existed any longer but sometimes simpler
         | approaches really are better. And I'm the one with engineering
         | degrees :-)
        
       | paxys wrote:
       | While I'm sure this is great as a nerd project, I can't imagine
       | giving someone this as a gift over, say, a $30 digital picture
       | frame which is better and more functional in basically every way.
        
         | apwell23 wrote:
         | what about battery life, picture that looks like a printed
         | photo, a thin frame and something thats not yet another screen
         | to look at.
        
         | fnordpiglet wrote:
         | As a parent your perception of value changes. I would much
         | rather have a pile of garbage my daughter spent hours creating
         | than something drop shipped from China at any price point or
         | functionality. I can imagine the authors parents showing all
         | their friends and family the frame their nerd child made for
         | them and explaining that while it's not as functional as the
         | $30 frame from China their child made it from a used nook and
         | was so excited about how it uses e-something that uses less
         | battery or something.
         | 
         | The $30 frame would go in the corner until the plug unseated
         | and then a few years later into a drawer.
        
           | ghaff wrote:
           | I think it depends. My dad would absolutely prefer something
           | that just worked. He certainly appreciates things I make and
           | do but, even the books I've written, he appreciates that I've
           | written something and leaves it out in his apartment but I'm
           | quite sure he's only flipped through the semi-technical
           | content.
        
             | fnordpiglet wrote:
             | I bet he leaves it out in his apartment more reliably than
             | if you gave him a book off Amazon. The fact he can't access
             | the contents of the book isn't the point. It's that he
             | takes pride in something he wouldn't normally read is
             | because it's yours. That's why a DIY project for your
             | parents is better than a shrink wrapped piece of future
             | garbage.
        
               | ghaff wrote:
               | Sure. And a book has a cover with the author's name on
               | it.
               | 
               | But he really wouldn't thank me (not that he'd say so)
               | for some DIY project that wasn't as transparent to use as
               | commercial versions--and he'd end up not using it. He
               | appreciates that I've put together the photo collections
               | given that I've scanned and kept a lot of photos he
               | wouldn't other have access to but he'd like actually
               | displaying them to be as easy as possible.
        
               | fnordpiglet wrote:
               | Yes, but that's your family where you write books. If
               | you're a nerd that makes eink displays of photos, I bet
               | their family appreciates their children just as much as
               | your father appreciates you. The nice thing about eink
               | for this is once your family member eventually unplugs or
               | somehow disconnects the device from the network; it'll
               | continue to display the last photo.
        
       | troyvit wrote:
       | This is really cool! How many photos are in your album? Do more
       | photos slow it down?
        
       | k8svet wrote:
       | Random memory/story, when I was a junior in highschool (so 2007),
       | my friend and I coverted two old laptops to picture frames, using
       | shallow shadow boxes.
       | 
       | I took Dillo? Linux, and customized the squashfs (or whatever it
       | was at the time) to run a wifi setup script from outside the
       | squashfs that configured wifi, connected as a samba to their
       | desktop computer with photos in folders, and then would loop
       | through photos with, feh, I think? Definitely my first real use
       | of Linux and probably another pivotal moment in setting me up for
       | the 16 years since then.
       | 
       | Thing ran up until a few years ago when the home wifi got
       | replaced with Unifi and the house got re-decorated. I think I
       | even took the CF drive (because yes, I even got CF->IDE adapters)
       | out and imaged it about 6 months ago, for nostalgia's sake.
       | Anyway, this is a super neat project - re-used hardware, eink,
       | and I'm getting to start to really appreciate glancing around and
       | thinking of friends/memories. And though I know I'd end up giving
       | it away if I built one, I am regretting giving away my old Kindle
       | now!
        
         | garrickvanburen wrote:
         | A couple years ago, I did this with an old Chromebook.
        
       | robluxus wrote:
       | > iCloud photo albums have no API. However, if you share an
       | iCloud photo album to a public link [...]
       | 
       | How do folks feel about the security vs. convenience aspect of
       | this? I almost talked myself into doing this for our shared
       | family albums, but I know I really shouldn't do it.
       | 
       | Some of our older family members run Windows and iCloud sharing
       | is just horrible there. Basically, the photos keep disappearing
       | from their computer. It looks like we're not the only one with
       | the issue:
       | https://www.reddit.com/r/iCloud/comments/150nq4i/icloud_wind...
        
         | gigglesupstairs wrote:
         | Apple should just pull that windows app/feature if they're
         | being this shitty with their users. That thread was
         | infuriating.
        
           | rockooooo wrote:
           | The iCloud file syncing on Windows destroyed my files twice
           | and I never touched it again.
        
         | podviaznikov wrote:
         | I even have build a small product to show apple shared albums
         | online https://public.photos/
         | 
         | also wanted to add API on top so that people can show photos
         | however they want. But didn't have a time to finish it yet.
        
         | Lord-Jobo wrote:
         | Its actually damn near impossible to retrieve all of your
         | photos/videos from icloud for a backup if you are using a
         | windows machine to do so. It will constantly fail to sync
         | fully, duplicate files, takes eons to download even on a fast
         | connection, and there are bizarre file format conflicts with
         | certain types of images. Very infuriating, and its been an
         | issues for at least 5 years. 'Buy a mac if you want to actually
         | adhere to proper backup standards' i guess this is the apple
         | stance on the issue.
        
           | aksss wrote:
           | A workaround is to use OneDrive with Camera Upload feature
           | turned on, and then sync this back down to your PC. You can
           | choose how to sort (e.g. folders by year and month).
        
           | GloriousKoji wrote:
           | I've been using icloudpd to get photos off of icloud. It took
           | a while the first time but after that I set it up to only
           | download the latest 500 photos (total number downloaded is
           | usually way under) and run it every few months.
           | 
           | https://github.com/icloud-photos-
           | downloader/icloud_photos_do...
        
         | GauntletWizard wrote:
         | I feel really okay with this, but I'm not okay with is that
         | there isn't language to talk transparently about it. Facebook
         | does the same thing (or did, because I haven't used Facebook in
         | a long time), if you copy link to image, you can just forward
         | that, even if the post is private.
         | 
         | This is pretty inherent in image sharing, though. You can just
         | download the image, or if the website limits that you can take
         | a screenshot (let's not get into the debate about DRM and
         | assume that it doesn't work).
         | 
         | Where should you draw the line? Time limited link sharing?
         | Login based doesn't work because you can't share with Grandma -
         | she doesn't know how to login.
         | 
         | We need words and descriptions of these basic patterns, and
         | better ways to Intuit which is in use.
        
       | gigel82 wrote:
       | I'm curious how long the battery lasts. Since it's Android based
       | I presume it doesn't have a deep-sleep option. Ideally I'd want
       | it to wake up once every 10-30 minutes, fetch a frame to display
       | from a LAN server and go back to sleep.
       | 
       | I know it's doable with a custom e-ink display and something like
       | an ESP32 but reusing an e-reader that already has a nice frame
       | and everything is so much nicer.
        
       | LASR wrote:
       | For those who want less tikering: Two 24 inch monitors bought
       | from a design house auction connected to 3rd Gen Chromecasts.
       | 
       | They automatically boot up and display a Google Photos album that
       | contains pictures of the family and pets. These monitors are set
       | to power on at 8 AM and off at 10 PM.
       | 
       | Initially my wife hated the idea of having two monitors in the
       | living room. But after I put them in place, we both found it is a
       | constant reminder of good times - which was helpful in many
       | subtle and unexpected ways.
        
         | vineyardmike wrote:
         | ...or buy a cheap digital picture frame from <mass market
         | retailer>.
         | 
         | When my g-parents passed, and the family moved away, we bought
         | everyone a cheap digital frame linked to a shared family album.
         | They're like 50-200$ depending on size. My grandmother was
         | always bringing the family together, and we wanted to honor
         | that with way to see each other across geographies.
         | 
         | Our chosen company's albums have an email address that you
         | email a photo to, and it displays on everyone's frame. Very
         | easy for everyone to contribute.
        
           | riotnrrd wrote:
           | What brand and model did you buy? I've been looking for
           | something like this for my family.
        
             | meowtimemania wrote:
             | I got an "Aura" one. It works well and supports connecting
             | a google photos album.
        
         | ska wrote:
         | This is basically the main value prop behind Samsung's "Frame"
         | series of TVs (but you also use it as at TV). People who love
         | them love them.
        
         | jwong_ wrote:
         | What is a "design house auction"?
         | 
         | It sounds like a museum auction or something? If so, that
         | sounds like a nice way to promote an environment to enjoy
         | things. Would make a great entrance/foyer hallway feature.
        
           | LASR wrote:
           | Design firms frequently upgrade their hardware. So you can
           | frequently find great hardware at very low prices. Also
           | snagged a fully loaded Mac Pro trashcan for $1200 back in
           | 2017 when they all went for the iMac Pros.
           | 
           | I spent $50 for each monitor and additional $50 for 2 x
           | Chromecasts.
           | 
           | Net out, 2 x 24" auto-updating photo frames for <$200.
        
       | nelgaard wrote:
       | Interesting. I have an old nook in the drawer.
       | 
       | I made a picture frame project a long time ago (> 15 years
       | according to file timestamps)
       | https://agol.dk/elgaard/picframe.html
       | 
       | I think it is overkill to use a browser just to show images. feh
       | still works great if you are running linux/unix
       | 
       | I also still would prefer to sync pictures using ssh and maybe
       | rsync on top.
        
       | viralpoetry wrote:
       | I have tried to build one out of the PocketBook Basic Touch
       | e-reader last October. It has way less functionality tought...
       | 
       | https://www.malgregator.com/post/pocketframe/
       | 
       | https://hackaday.com/2023/11/13/obsolete-e-reader-gets-new-l...
        
       | spuz wrote:
       | I want to do something similar as a gift for my brother. Did you
       | consider removing the bezel of the nook? How hard would that be?
        
       | boringg wrote:
       | Can someone explain to me what the obsession with e-ink is on
       | hackernews?
       | 
       | I understand that it has a lot of great qualities to it but it so
       | far out of price range that it negates the upside. Or am I
       | completely misreading the benefits?
        
         | boringg wrote:
         | Why did I get downvoted - I am asking a legit question. I don't
         | understand.
        
           | ska wrote:
           | I suspect because you came across as judgmental and
           | opinionated more than questioning. I'm not saying you meant
           | to, just that is how it could read.
        
       | rmccue wrote:
       | For anyone who wants a hackable e-ink display, the Inkplate
       | combines a recycled Kindle display with an ESP32 (which also
       | supports the Arduino framework). You can also buy them with both
       | a 3D printed frame and a battery already attached, so all you
       | need to do is program it.
       | 
       | (No affiliation, although I recently bought an Inkplate 10.)
        
       | j1elo wrote:
       | This made me think... it would be awesome to build for my parents
       | a picture frame that could show family photos, and was integrated
       | with an LLM, such that e.g. my mother could say "now I want to
       | see a photo of us during last years's vacations in Italy" or
       | where a given person appeared, or things like that.
       | 
       | It would be quite a bit of work, though! Something to add to the
       | pile of personal projects that never seems to progress :-)
        
       | jamez wrote:
       | So great to see interest in ePaper screens. Picture frame
       | projects specifically seem to be gathering steam. Shameless plug:
       | I built a solar ePaper frame that displays Google Photo albums or
       | loads pictures from an sd-card.
       | https://jamez.it/blog/2023/05/16/version-2-of-my-solar-power...
        
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