[HN Gopher] The ThinkPad P14s
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The ThinkPad P14s
Author : utkarsh-singh
Score : 33 points
Date : 2024-01-06 10:20 UTC (1 days ago)
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| iariap wrote:
| I have the same machine running Fedora. After trying Ubuntu (it
| is supposed to be officially supported), PopOS! and MX that was
| the only distro with proper nvidia drivers to use full video
| resolution without lagging. Did you setup nvidia drivers in Arch?
| Could you share the details please?
| utkarsh-singh wrote:
| My machine doesn't come with an NVIDIA GPU. However, my Ideapad
| previously had a dedicated NVIDIA MX 150. You can refer
| <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA> for more information.
| 6R1M0R4CL3 wrote:
| i have a machine quite close : i went for the p16s which is the
| 16 inches version. buying during christmas got me a price
| reduction and for 1100 euro i got a 7840U cpu, 64 gb of lddr5
| ram, 1 tb samsung ssd, 16" low-power use, low-blue-light display,
| 89 Watt/H battery, 100W charger (instead of the default 65W one),
| fingerprint reader 5MPixel webcam and cardreader. for barely 1k
| euro you get an amazing machine. and it comes preloaded with
| fedora 39 where everything just works : p-state by default,
| modern-standby. all works fine.
| utkarsh-singh wrote:
| What a beast! I will try to figure why power-profiles are not
| working.
| phonon wrote:
| Watt-hour (Wh)
| bluedino wrote:
| Love the P series
|
| I had a P50 that I stuck three disks and 64GB memory in, it was
| great for VMware demos or testing out a full stack with Vagrant
| or Docker or whatever.
| Delk wrote:
| The P14s is actually fairly close to the T14. I think the P
| series used to be intended as beefier compared to the T series,
| but at least in case of 14-inch models, there doesn't seem to
| be much of a difference nowadays. The P14s is thin and light
| similarly to modern T series. I think some of the larger P
| series models are available with discrete GPUs and possibly
| more powerful CPUs, though.
|
| (I have a private T14 as well as a P14s from a couple of
| generations ago for work.)
| binkHN wrote:
| Awesome machine! Ask me how I know? :)
|
| As for the power profiles issue, it's related to a problem in the
| BIOS that's resolved in the latest release. However, Lenovo tends
| not do a good job of getting these BIOSs up on LVFS timely, so
| you'll need to update the BIOS manually via Lenovo's website.
| ggreer wrote:
| I'm guessing the author's website is misconfigured. Every path
| except the root returns an HTTP 404, but the 404 page loads some
| JavaScript that fetches assets based on the URL. For example, the
| ThinkPad blog post loads
| https://utkarshsingh.xyz/assets/thinkpad-p14s/thinkpad-p14s....
|
| This mostly works, but some browsers will display a warning or
| their own 404 page. Also it means his site won't be indexed in
| search engines.
| soxocx wrote:
| If not done correctly, that is the default result with
| Cloudfront + S3. You set the index and error page to your
| index.html. That way you get SPA routing but a 404 for all non
| root routes. The author needs to add a Lambda to rewrite the
| HTTP response depending on the route, some 404s should be
| rewritten to be 200s.
| kla-s wrote:
| Same machine here as well, running the latest Ubuntu (23.10)
| power profiles do work but auto-cpufreq is way more effective in
| increasing battery runtime for me.
|
| I can get ~6h of runtime (~10W draw) if i mostly just code in
| VSCode + some browsing, with display at 1/3 brightness and the
| code being executed remote. Went with the OLED panel, so that
| definitively doesn't help battery runtime, but damn those colors
| are nice :)
|
| I wish they would fit in a bigger battery or do some more tuning
| so that some cores could actually turn off if they aren't used,
| id happily accept the spool up time for big jobs, if this could
| increase the battery runtime a few hours/allow for higher
| brightness. What kind of runtimes/draws are you getting?
| binkHN wrote:
| > ...~10W draw... OLED...
|
| Also with an OLED, running at 20% brightness indoors, I'm able
| to get around a 7-8 watt power draw using the lowest AMD-pstate
| with a relatively modern Linux kernel.
| f6v wrote:
| > The final straw was a suspension issue, possibly introduced due
| to a regression in the Linux kernel
|
| Wow, I had these in 2012 on multiple machines and thought it
| wasn't a year of laptop Linux yet.
| yewenjie wrote:
| Is there any laptop these days that comes close to MacBooks
| hardware-wise and run Linux?
| alluro2 wrote:
| Performance-to-endurance ratio - unfortunately, no. But P14s
| (owned one before M1 Pro) has great build quality, performance
| is comparable, screen is good enough, keyboard is much better,
| sound is adequate, ports are better, portability is better...
| It's also very quiet even when under load. You're definitely
| not missing that much if you go with it instead of MBP 14, in
| my experience.
| binkHN wrote:
| Nothing from Intel or AMD will come close as it relates to
| battery life. While there are arm options that have great
| battery life, the performance doesn't come near to that of a
| Mac.
| lp4vn wrote:
| Last time I checked the Lenovo Yoga Pro line has an aluminium
| chassis and also passes the military testing that thinkpads go
| through.
|
| Honestly I didn't see much of point in paying more for a thinkpad
| loaded with enterprise specs(pro chip, for instance) and lacking
| amenities like a graphic card instead of just going right away to
| a high end consumer-oriented laptop like Yoga Pro.
|
| Am I missing something?
| __loam wrote:
| Do they still have the mouse nipple?
| richbell wrote:
| Hopefully!
| akho wrote:
| The yoga doesn't.
| delijati wrote:
| I'm also considering that P14s AMD Gen4. But to do some ML stuff
| i need the damn Nvidia cuda cores :/ It has a USB4 port and could
| in theory run a eGPU but i can't find any infos if it would work.
|
| Also it seams that the [1] intel 1360p is a bit faster? and i'm
| on the safer side because of real thunderbold support.
|
| [1] https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/intel-
| core-i7-1360p-vs...
| Baeocystin wrote:
| Every time a potential eGPU build has come up for me (~half a
| dozen times over the past few years) it's always made more
| sense in the end to simply build a generic ATX box, stuff the
| GPU in there, and just remote in. FWIW. The two times I tried
| anyway, because hey, fun new challenge, the primary lesson
| learned was that it was not worth it, most recently being ~6
| months ago.
| delijati wrote:
| Currently i do exactly that. I have a ATX box (AMD 2700x +
| Nvidia 3090) and access it remote, but i hate that it is idle
| most of the day and to transfer the data that i'm working on
| to it. (My notebook is my daily driver with company access)
|
| I just bought a eGPU case and will give it a shot, will
| report back :)
| pulse7 wrote:
| ThinkPad P14s = ThinkPad T14 with 64GB RAM and NVIDIA RTX A500 =
| 1mm thicker ThinkPad X1 Carbon which costs $1000 less
| nerdponx wrote:
| I really appreciate "hardware reports" like this.
|
| Tangentially related, I've never seen this symbol before: [?],
| apparently it means "equivalent to". Is this common notation in
| certain communities?
| jasoneckert wrote:
| This P14s is very nicely spec'd with its Ryzen and 32GB of RAM.
|
| Beyond their durability, stellar keyboard (with TrackPoint), OS
| compatibility, and overall value, ThinkPads have a certain
| additional charm I've never been able to explain.
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