[HN Gopher] UK 2022 rail station flow images
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UK 2022 rail station flow images
Author : admp
Score : 147 points
Date : 2024-01-03 10:37 UTC (12 hours ago)
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| bob1029 wrote:
| This page is completely hosing my iOS Safari client.
|
| GitHub made a huge mistake with their client side rendering
| rework. I get stuff like this multiple times a day now.
| hhh wrote:
| no issues here, latest ios
| avianlyric wrote:
| Honestly I think the issues is more likely iOS safari. Been
| noticing an increasing number of rendering, navigation, and
| memory exhaustion issues in newer versions of iOS.
| jimjambw wrote:
| What version of iOS/which iPhone? 12 Pro Max here on 17.1.2 and
| having no issues.
| jimlikeslimes wrote:
| If you're wondering what to click and not from the UK:
|
| Paddington (busy station):
| https://github.com/anisotropi4/kingfisher/blob/main/image/P/...
|
| Penzance (rural endpoint):
| https://github.com/anisotropi4/kingfisher/blob/main/image/P/...
| ExoticPearTree wrote:
| So it displays the number of people that transit through a
| specific station? Or is it the station "reach"?
| avianlyric wrote:
| It's the number of passengers that traveled from a specific
| station to any other station in UK.
|
| Passengers are assumed to have taken the shortest rail route
| from station A to B. Which is interesting, because it might
| not have been the fastest route. For example there are a few
| different routes between Euston and Crewe, and I don't think
| the fastest non-stopping trains take the shortest route.
| VBprogrammer wrote:
| Yeah, I noticed that there was no link from Edinburgh to
| Glasgow on the East Coast mainline from my local station.
| Presumably the passengers that took this route were assumed
| to have taken the West Coast Mainline.
| mytailorisrich wrote:
| Someone adventurous did Wick-Bodmin Parkway... I hope he's
| arrived by now.
| midasuni wrote:
| Crewe does take the shorted route - Stafford, Trent valley,
| then bypassing rugby.
|
| The cheap trains do the same route and just stop along the
| way. The ticket itself is valid for say journey into
| Birmingham, soend the day, then continue via Banbury to
| Marylebone. I've done that myself several times, but it's a
| minor flow compared to the direct train.
|
| Manchester to London - at least pre covid, had 3 trains per
| hour, one via Crewe which was slightly longer, the others
| via Stoke.
| Symbiote wrote:
| I think it's showing the shortest path routes from the chosen
| station A to the destinations B, weighted according to the
| number of tickets sold from A to B.
| michaelt wrote:
| I believe this data is based on ticket sales.
|
| In the UK you can buy a ticket from Cambridge to Norwich
| where you can get a direct train _or_ you can change at Ely,
| depending on what time of day you use the ticket. But the
| ticket sales data can 't tell if you changed at Ely or not.
|
| So presumably this visualisation draws cambridge-to-norwich
| tickets on the shortest route, without trying to figure out
| or show if they go via Ely.
| tialaramex wrote:
| The UK sales data (if that's what they have) actually _can_
| tell you the route in some cases. This is in fact a bad
| thing, so let 's explain...
|
| Britain has repeatedly elected Conservative Party ("Tory")
| governments, the Tories have an ideological preference for
| the Free Market, regardless of whether that makes any
| sense. So, instead of a single nationally owned and likely
| unprofitable railway industry, it is divided into a lot of
| separate elements that in theory could be profitable but in
| fact take enormous subsidies to keep around, for our
| purposes we care about just one of those elements, the Rail
| Franchises, a whole lot of separate companies which
| undertake to provide passenger journeys on set routes and
| employ staff to operate trains, provide custom services,
| hire the rolling stock and so on.
|
| Originally these Franchises were supposed to compete for
| passengers. But if they provide unrelated routes obviously
| that's not much "competition". A route from Leeds to
| Glasgow isn't in any meaningful sense "competing" with a
| route from Salisbury to Cambridge. So OK, what if they're
| competing only where the endpoints are the same? Well, the
| immediate problem is that the _customers_ don 't want to
| buy a ticket for "Bob's Railway" they want a ticket from
| one place to another and couldn't give a shit who provides
| that journey.
|
| So the franchises "fixed" this by creating special tickets
| with weird rules. For example instead of a "Bob's Railway"
| ticket you make a ticket which requires passengers to
| travel via Tinyton, a small town nobody cares about but
| which is served only by Bob's Railway. Do the trains _stop_
| in Tinyton? Technically yes they do, but you 'd barely know
| it, this is mostly just a way to satisfy the requirement
| that "Via Tinyton" means "Only use Bob's Railway" and so
| Bob's Railway can claim 100% of revenue for these tickets.
| That revenue doesn't actually matter any more, for a few
| years now the government just takes all revenue and pays
| the franchises whatever they want instead - but the
| pretence of competition must remain, because you know,
| "Free Market".
|
| The result is that tickets are needlessly complicated or
| incredibly expensive or both, indeed if you're not using
| software or a specialist human to help plan your journey
| you will probably pay far more than you should _and_ you
| might have a terrible journey anyway. The Tories love to
| say somehow the "Free Market" is going to fix this, but of
| course the correct fix is ideologically impossible for
| them, "Take the railways back into public ownership" is at
| once cheaper, more practical, and _completely unthinkable_
| thanks to ideology.
| CWIZO wrote:
| But there are tickets that are only valid for certain
| providers?
| tialaramex wrote:
| That's true, to do _that_ they use a different hack and
| we can actually (very expensively) route those too.
|
| These tickets are valid only on a particular service (and
| connections), since the franchises run the services they
| can sell tickets for services they run.
|
| Example from a journey I made near Xmas:
| 0908 from Bingley to Leeds (Northern Rail)
| 0945 from Leeds to Kings Cross (LNER) 1309
| from Waterloo towards home (SWR)
|
| The three franchises get 100% of their part of these
| routes, and I'm notionally forbidden from, say, getting
| on an XC to zigzag South and avoid London altogether
| instead.
| lstamour wrote:
| That sums up the complexity better than I ever could, but
| as a tourist visiting London it was relatively painless
| to tap my Apple Watch and pay by contactless credit card
| when I got on and when I got off, as long as you're
| travelling through supported stops within the city
| region. This generally included any routes to and from
| London airports.
|
| Comparing the process in London to that of, say, Paris,
| it is night and day better with London's system. Yes,
| trips might cost more than a flat rate, but you don't
| need to have a special card - contactless payments are
| charged at the same rates as an Oyster card would get
| charged, including discounts if you take multiple trips
| in a day.
|
| Compare to Paris where it's a flat rate, but you can't
| get a normal ticket because your anonymous card is
| somehow designed only for tourist pricing. Let's not even
| bother with how long the lines can be to buy said card.
| I'll take a system where you tap on and tap off any day
| of the week over a flat rate system that doesn't support
| easy contactless payment at the same rates as everybody
| else.
|
| I should clarify though - this only applies to any travel
| by train that you can do from stations that have
| contactless to stations that also have contactless.
| Anywhere else, you're expected to tap off and pay a
| normal fare for the rest of your travel to an unsupported
| station by buying it from a website.
|
| And while it is unusual to have such complexity, I should
| mention that rail travel between countries often has
| similar complexity - I bought a ticket once from
| Copenhagen to Malmo, Sweden, but got on a train operated
| by a different company and had to buy a second ticket -
| the trains left at the same time to and from the same
| stations but from two different operators. The confusing
| part is that the train ticket I needed to buy wasn't
| available from a Denmark regional train travel ticket
| kiosk, it was timed ticket you had to buy in advance from
| a website as the train's origins was in Sweden rather
| than Denmark. (And the Denmark station didn't have
| Swedish kiosks.)
|
| I guess what I'm saying is that trains can make airlines
| look efficient, at least when it comes to buying and
| handling tickets. ;-)
|
| Edit: I should also mention if I got any of this wrong,
| I'm actually from North America and about all I can say
| in response is "at least you have (express, high speed)
| trains," as I look at our preference for highways and
| buses and how most rail in North America is for cargo...
| pm215 wrote:
| Public transport within London has always been both
| differently managed/funded and also massively better than
| public transport anywhere else. If you're using London as
| your only data point you get a very skewed view of the UK
| public transport situation.
|
| In this case, Transport for London (a public body) has
| always had much more control over public transport,
| specifically local political control, and has had the
| funding and long term planning horizon to set up things
| like the oyster and contactless payment systems. (And
| there are also practicalities, like the worst cases fare
| within the oyster zone being not very large, so it's OK
| to not take payment immediately but only when the system
| finds out where you got off, because you're not
| potentially out hundreds of pounds for a London to
| Edinburgh fare if it turns out the card being used
| declines the payment.)
| tialaramex wrote:
| London is special.
|
| Literally.
|
| Take bus companies. You don't say if you used any buses,
| but if you did they all work the same _in London_ ,
| they're all painted red, they take Oyster (your Apple
| Watch will work), the system keeps track and lets you use
| more than one to get to your destination without special
| fees. There are a bunch of bus companies in London, but
| there's no reason you would care about that, they're all
| the same to you.
|
| _Everywhere else_ in the UK is forbidden from doing
| that. In my home city for example there were _four_ major
| bus companies, each painted their buses a different
| colour, each used separate tickets, each had its own
| "integrated" travel pass system. If I caught a 20 out of
| the city, then boarded a U6 that's two separate journeys
| with two separate companies, and thus two separate
| charges and the city government is _legally prohibited_
| from telling them to knock it off and just charge a
| single fee like London.
| mytailorisrich wrote:
| Even where there is a single (or 2) bus company, the
| ticketing structure is often crazy complex.
|
| Fares webpages for Oxford:
|
| https://www.oxfordbus.co.uk/fares-and-tickets
|
| https://www.oxfordbus.co.uk/zone-tickets
| johneth wrote:
| > Everywhere else in the UK is forbidden from doing that.
|
| Thankfully this seems to be changing. Greater Manchester,
| through its devolution in the last few years, has in the
| last few months started the 'Bee network',[0] which
| operates similarly to London's bus system. It's being
| brought in in phases.
|
| Hopefully other areas start doing this too.
|
| [0] https://tfgm.com/
| AlecSchueler wrote:
| The Dutch system seems to suit your expectations quite
| well.
|
| There are a bunch of disparate organisations providing
| busses, water busses/taxis/ferries, rental bikes and
| trams, metro lines and trains running on publicly owned
| infrastructure.
|
| One card allows you to check in to all of them, all over
| the country. You can get a subscription card for a 40%
| discount (EUR10 per month) or you can check in anywhere
| with contactless payments or anonymous cards for the full
| price.
| ExoticPearTree wrote:
| From experience, I think the OV-chipkaart was the best
| option traveling the Netherlands. You would just to
| remember to check-out at the end of your journey so you
| wouldn't be charged end-to-end pricing. And the fact that
| you would pay only for the portion used in a trip (there
| was a few eurocents difference if you took the tram two
| stops or three stops, same for buses) it also made a lot
| of economic sense versus the all you can eat model
| everyone else employs.
|
| Second best from recent years I like the new system in
| the NYC subway: tap & go, same price as a MetroCard
| without the hassle of buying one.
| mytailorisrich wrote:
| Ideology works both ways. Public ownership is not a magic
| solution that would solve everything, and in fact it'd
| probably create its own set of problems.
|
| Maybe a state-owned company that must operate on
| stringent efficiency requirements with private sector
| best practices.
| TheOtherHobbes wrote:
| The former British Rail was cheaper to run, cheaper to
| use, and provided a better service which integrated
| service delivery, maintenance. engineering, and national
| R&D (with valuable IP which was given away for nothing
| after privatisation.)
|
| It was often joked about because it was underfunded and
| run down, but in financial terms it was hugely efficient.
|
| The ideology isn't really about "free markets", it's
| about giving public money to donors, cronies, and -
| bizarrely - foreign businesses, because much of the
| privatised network is foreign-owned.
|
| In fact the ideology is fundamentally about not spending
| public money on working people - because they're poor and
| inferior, they don't deserve it, and if life gets too
| comfortable for them they'll start talking back instead
| of knowing their place.
|
| Over the decades the definition of "working" has expanded
| from "factory workers and semi-skilled" to formerly
| middle class professions like law and medicine.
|
| Engineering has always been considered a low-status
| profession, as has competent - as opposed to venal and
| self-interested - management.
| mytailorisrich wrote:
| Ideology goes both ways... When Corbyn wanted to
| nationalise railways and in fact turn them into coops it
| was ideology as well. Throwing money at things without
| clear business case and ROI is ideology as well. Your
| comment is hitting at the Tories for the sake of it,
| frankly, which seems like ideology as well.
|
| We need pragmatism.
|
| Perhaps state-owned railways would deliver more value but
| most likely that would mean running the company on sound
| principles with high efficiency and private sector
| management principles, and no strikes (none of which is a
| given in the public sector, unfortunately).
| AlecSchueler wrote:
| We can also legislate without polarising catch all
| ideologies. It's not a dichotomy between two extremes of
| full free market or full public ownership.
| tialaramex wrote:
| Right, there are places where Free Market solutions
| worked, and equally we shouldn't go "That's bad, get rid
| of the Free Market". But I'm highlighting the Tory
| ideology in this case because (a) their ideology makes it
| impossible to just fix this and (b) they've had a _long_
| time in power to do so if they were able and prove me
| wrong.
|
| The use of Contracts for Difference to fund renewable
| power generation is an example where ideology and
| practicality aligned. This is a Free Market solution
| which nicely matches the problem.
| rjmunro wrote:
| It often makes sense to offer a cheaper ticket e.g. I can
| go to Brighton via London, which is faster and easier, or
| I can change at Reading and Gatwick, which is harder and
| slower, but the trains are less busy, so it makes sense
| to encourage people not to go via London.
|
| The "via" restrictions are usually dropped if there are
| problems on the lines allowing people who are delayed to
| find other routes, but this can lead to problems in one
| area causing overcrowding problems in another.
| johndunne wrote:
| This is very interesting. It looks like most of the London
| train stations have a regional focus. I often travel to London
| from Leeds, so Kingscross is the terminating station (true for
| Scotland and the North East), Euston seems to be mostly North
| West, St Pancras is the midlands and South East, Paddington is
| South West and Victoria is South/South East. Fascinating to see
| this illustrated in Graph form. Nice!
| mytailorisrich wrote:
| Yes, that's exactly how train stations were built around the
| centre of London. It's the same in Paris, for instance, where
| the stations' names make it more obvious.
|
| It's also interesting to see the reach of London. Many people
| as far as Oxford and Cambridge seem to commute into London.
| xenocratus wrote:
| And weirdos like me who commute out from London into
| Cambridge, via London Liverpool Street mostly.
| FartyMcFarter wrote:
| That must be a nice quiet commute.
| varispeed wrote:
| I used to commute out of London. It was anything but nice
| and quiet. I actually had to buy a car, because using
| train was not viable (expensive, always late and crowded
| or trains cancelled, often impossible to board). After
| coming late nth time, manager said either improve this or
| we will be looking at letting you go. Getting a car was
| the best thing I've done.
|
| Our country really need to focus on improving the public
| transport as at its current state is not fit for purpose.
| tharmas wrote:
| That is so sad. Here in North America (with the odd
| exception) we don't even have a choice. Its the car only.
| The only good thing about a car is autonomy: you leave
| when you want to leave, and you have control of the
| environment => no noisy cell phone chats and you can
| choose whatever music you want to listen to or not.
| Symbiote wrote:
| Many commuters in London also leave when they want to
| leave, or close to it. Metro trains run every 2-10
| minutes on most of the network (I'm including the ends of
| the lines there), urban/suburban/regional trains around
| every 10-20 minutes.
|
| Personally, if the service is at least every 10 minutes I
| won't check the time when I leave. If it's 20 or more I
| will, and in-between probably depends on the weather and
| if the station is indoors or not.
| Symbiote wrote:
| For a year I commuted out of London, and it was wonderful
| -- usually 1-4 people per carriage, almost always on
| time, very quiet. Returning to London was busier, but I
| always had a seat.
|
| There is probably a political discussion based on when I
| did this vs. the sibling comment, but HN isn't the place
| for it.
| xenocratus wrote:
| Unlike varispeed's unfortunate experience my commute is
| indeed very chill and consistent! Train that I catch
| comes in full, unloads, a total of maybe 50 people board,
| leaves. Coming back in the evening is a bit more crowded,
| but it's very rare that I don't get a seat. I use that
| time to work or read and can enjoy the wonderful English
| countryside as a background :) Almost the opposite of
| what a dear friend has to experience in his reverse
| commute from Cambridge to King's Cross.
| spacedcowboy wrote:
| Many moons hence, when I was working for Logica, they had
| a campus out in Cobham ("Cobham Park"). The place was
| gorgeous, an old mansion on its own land, peacocks in the
| grounds, Chesterfield leather sofas in reception etc.
|
| Cobham is just off the A3, so my commute from South
| London was outbound, on a clear road, watching the
| traffic jam start in the other direction, a few miles
| outside the M25 (the orbital motorway around London).
|
| Coming back in wasn't quite so clear, London being
| London, but still a comparatively serene drive compared
| to the other direction :)
| bobthepanda wrote:
| There was a policy in the early part of the 20th century to
| establish a green belt of preserved space around London.
|
| This didn't stop people from sprawling ever further, they
| just skipped over the green belt.
| Symbiote wrote:
| Leaving the gap was also policy. Stevenage was the first:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevenage#Stevenage_New_Tow
| n
| globular-toast wrote:
| The stations were all originally built by separate private
| railways companies which, naturally, served different parts
| of the country. Euston, for example, was built by the London
| and Birmingham Railway.
| thebruce87m wrote:
| Reminder to non-UK people: when people in England refer to
| the "North East" and "North West" and so on, they are
| referring to only England, even when talking in the context
| of the UK.
| dspillett wrote:
| Also York (popular destination, middle of the east coast main
| line but good connectivity to stations west (Leeds, Manchester,
| ...) & elsewhere, with both through-trains and those that
| start/terminate there):
| https://github.com/anisotropi4/kingfisher/blob/main/image/Y/...
|
| Not as busy as any of the London terminals, but a key station
| for many travellers.
| gnfargbl wrote:
| York is a good example of how building high-ish speed
| railways that actually take people somewhere they want to go,
| leads to people using those railways.
|
| Look at the way the plots taper off to the north and south of
| York; this isn't just people shuttling to and from London,
| this is ordinary commuters and rail travellers using the
| railway as a decent mode of transportation.
|
| I wish the government had the gumption to recognize this and
| respond appropriately.
| DrBazza wrote:
| Rob Holden, who lead HS1, and delivered it under budget
| said HS2 has been such a disaster, paraphrasing, because
| HS2 publicly declared its budget for each section, so the
| Cotswold tunnels, for example had a budget of, say, $10bn.
| So the contractors bidding to do it, bid... $9.9bn. Whereas
| HS1 invited bids from contractors who had no idea how much
| the government was prepared to spend.
|
| Absolute idiocy.
|
| More details in this and the links in the story:
| https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hs2-rishi-
| sun...
| AlecSchueler wrote:
| I remember they started doing it this was because there
| was concerns about companies with insider information
| being unfairly advantaged in the bidding stages.
| DrBazza wrote:
| Interesting. I'd assumed it was something to do with the
| Office for Budget Responsibility and "transparency" of
| Government spending. I guess not.
|
| It's still absurd that the Government would announce how
| much they're prepared to pay in advance, and act
| surprised when bids come in at or above that amount.
| dspillett wrote:
| _> York is a good example of how building high-ish speed
| railways that actually take people somewhere they want to
| go, leads to people using those railways._
|
| Not just directly from York: there are many trains stopping
| both here and Leeds, giving us, for example, indirect-but-
| easy access to some of the north further west (smaller
| lines to/through Shipley/Keighley/Skipton,
| Ilkley/Settle/Carlisle) which I find handy when I want to
| go run around the Dales, and that people from those areas
| presumably find handy for access to the east coast main
| line North & South.
|
| York's rail connectivity is one of the (many) advantages of
| living here (despite the key disadvantage of housing costs
| & such) for me, as I don't drive.
| DrBazza wrote:
| Ashford International, one end of the HS1 line is pretty well
| served:
|
| https://github.com/anisotropi4/kingfisher/blob/main/image/A/...
|
| or the other end of HS1, St Pancras:
|
| https://github.com/anisotropi4/kingfisher/blob/main/image/S/...
|
| And yet, we've more or less cancelled HS2. Oh well.
| n_plus_1_acc wrote:
| Can anyone explain why there so little traffic to Heathrow? Do
| most people take the Tube and not the Heathrow express? It also
| looks like traffic between the Terminals is not shown. IIRC,
| you have to get a ticket to cross the ticket gate (which is
| free I think), so they must have the numbers somewhere.
| Marazan wrote:
| The Heathrow Express is extremely expensive. I imagine most
| people tube, bus or get dropped off by car.
| krallja wrote:
| Yes, and the expenses get much worse if you're traveling in
| a group. I certainly took the Tube, with my family of four,
| to Heathrow last spring. It was hundreds of pounds for us
| to take the Express, or <PS30 for the Tube.
| Symbiote wrote:
| The opening of the Elizabeth Line was partway through the
| statistic period used here. That line provides the
| cheaper and almost-as-fast option to Central London and
| beyond, using the same tracks as the Heathrow Express but
| also stopping at some intermediate stations.
|
| Unfortunately, Heathrow Airport have very good signage to
| the Heathrow Express, and abysmal signage to the
| Elizabeth Line. I assume this is intentional.
|
| I'm thoroughly confused on what it costs. The airport
| supposedly adds a surcharge as they own the last bit of
| track, but I can't find an official website saying what
| this surcharge is. More than the tube, but significantly
| less than the Heathrow Express, anyway.
|
| (Before the Elizabeth Line there were also non-"Express"
| trains running on the same tracks, but the service was
| less frequent. Not many people knew about it.)
| mfbx9da4 wrote:
| What if I'm from the UK and I am still wondering what to click?
| buro9 wrote:
| the explanation of this is in the main repo
| https://github.com/anisotropi4/kingfisher/tree/main
|
| it's the passenger journey data overlaid on the map of tracks,
| where the thickness is number of journeys.
|
| so drilling into a station like EXD (Exeter St David's) shows
| lines going to Aberdeen... there is no route between Exeter and
| Aberdeen, this is just a journey involving multiple changes.
|
| so what you're seeing for a station is where people travel to,
| and the volume of journeys on those segments of line, given the
| station as a starting point.
|
| I couldn't trivially determine whether it reflects all through
| journeys for a station (start point, destination point, stop on
| an through journey), it may well do so.
| VBprogrammer wrote:
| Unfortunately, for a quiet station I think the weighing is hard
| to interpret. From a station near me, say Addlestone, I would
| bet that > 95% of passengers were heading into one of the
| London stations. However, because the relative number of
| passengers is still low there isn't a great difference between
| that and Addlestone to Glasgow.
| jayelbe wrote:
| There's one direct train between Exeter St Davids - Aberdeen
| every day Mon-Sat, in each direction.
|
| It takes something like 101/2hrs. If you join the train at
| Plymouth (the start of the journey) it's 111/2hrs, and the
| longest possible train journey you can make in the UK without
| changing.
| buro9 wrote:
| wow, TIL (thank you)
| lmm wrote:
| > It takes something like 101/2hrs. If you join the train at
| Plymouth (the start of the journey) it's 111/2hrs, and the
| longest possible train journey you can make in the UK without
| changing.
|
| You're probably thinking of the direct train from Aberdeen to
| Penzance (not just Plymouth), which does stop in Exeter.
| However that one only runs in that direction, not the
| reverse.
| zeristor wrote:
| Surviving 131/2 Hours on a CrossCountry Train. What's This
| Journey from Aberdeen-Penzance REALLY Like?
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOmZ6xBToDM
|
| Although the video is only 24 minutes.
| jayelbe wrote:
| Oh wow, I completely forgot, yes! From Aberdeen it
| continues all the way to Penzance (but in the opposite
| direction it starts from Plymouth). So the longest journey
| is Aberdeen - Penzance; my mistake. Thank you!
|
| Another mistake: it doesn't run on Saturdays.
| stby wrote:
| The complicated part (visualising the number of passengers on the
| correct paths) was done well, but I'm really missing the simple
| part: Placing a little marker where the initial station is
| located.
| hencoappel wrote:
| Waterloo is rendered quite hilariously
| https://github.com/anisotropi4/kingfisher/blob/main/image/W/...
| darajava wrote:
| the shape must come from Waterloo to Bank, which is very close
| to Waterloo and has its own line.
| walthamstow wrote:
| The tube isn't included, only railways
| Symbiote wrote:
| Though someone who lived in London a long time ago could
| make this mistake, as until 1994 the Waterloo and City line
| was owned and run by British Rail.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterloo_%26_City_line
|
| The thick line is Waterloo to Clapham Junction.
| NoboruWataya wrote:
| WAT, indeed.
| walthamstow wrote:
| The most interesting part for me was seeing that the London to
| Brighton flow is just as thick as that of the East Coast and West
| Coast main lines. Presumably due to Thameslink and the sheer
| frequency of Victoria/Croydon to Brighton trains on Southern.
| adulion wrote:
| Its not UK- its Great Britain- Doesnt include northern ireland
| data
| chris-orgmenta wrote:
| https://www.railmaponline.com/UKIEMap.php is also an invaluable
| resource.
|
| Also, The National Library of Scotland has old OS maps in a
| pretty nice interface, in case useful: https://maps.nls.uk/os/
| xnorswap wrote:
| My favourite:
| https://github.com/anisotropi4/kingfisher/blob/main/image/R/...
|
| What's perhaps odd (if it's based on sales as some have
| suggested) is that Shanklin also doesn't show any traffic beyond
| the Island Line despite it being possible to buy a ticket from
| the mainland which includes the ferry crossing.
| Symbiote wrote:
| Perhaps a fault with the rendering, as the source data includes
| these journeys (see my other comment).
|
| Ryde and Shanklin stations have thousands of journeys to London
| and elsewhere.
| bloopernova wrote:
| These make GB look like the blood vessels in an eye scan, or the
| surface of the brain.
|
| Who looked for their childhood stations? Basingstoke, and Wood
| Street are shown, either end of the journey to visit my Nan. It
| feels like I could retrace the trip blindfolded. (Oldish person,
| please forgive the reminiscing)
| Symbiote wrote:
| I think the source data is here, under an Open Government
| licence, but annoyingly it's necessary to register with a name
| and address etc. to download it:
| https://raildata.org.uk/dataProduct/P-a9faf6fd-b31f-491c-935...
|
| Though someone is redistributing it (which is allowed) here:
| https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/orr-origin-destination-...
|
| I found an alternative (and interactive) viewer here:
| https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/richard.rowson/viz/Ra...
| politelemon wrote:
| This seems to behave oddly in Firefox desktop (but fine on
| mobile). The Content Security Policy is blocking the image from
| loading.
|
| Console complains about:
|
| Content-Security-Policy: The page's settings blocked the loading
| of a resource at
| https://media.githubusercontent.com.x.e4303b4d0615604a6b08d9...
| ("img-src").
|
| The image doesn't load and network tab complains about
| `NS_ERROR_DOM_BAD_URI`.
|
| But the URI looks OK, example:
| https://media.githubusercontent.com/media/anisotropi4/kingfi...
| matsemann wrote:
| I can't get the images to work in neither Firefox or Chrome.
| Worked a few hours ago, though.
| once_inc wrote:
| I'm going to go out on a limb here and state that the Flow image
| for King's Cross
| (https://github.com/anisotropi4/kingfisher/blob/main/image/K/...)
| does not, in fact, reveal the location of Hogwarts School for
| Witchcraft and Wizardry.
| zeristor wrote:
| Wouldn't that plot be invisible?
| krallja wrote:
| Only if you're a Muggle.
| zeristor wrote:
| Any stats for London St Pancras to Paris, Bruges, Amsterdam, or
| Lille?
| zeristor wrote:
| At least on TfL there are constant apologies for delays caused by
| a Shortage of Trains.
|
| Might I suggest that the collective nouns be a Shortage?
|
| Along with a Plight of Commuters.
| zeristor wrote:
| Curriehill close to Heriot-Watt University but seemingly ignored.
| I am guessing the backroad to the University doesn't really have
| the capacity to take committing students, but it always struck me
| as a missed opportunity.
|
| That and being kept awake at night by express trains going
| through, it is like there's rail blindness, at least when I was
| there a decade or so ago.
| michalskop wrote:
| Can anyone explain how to see the images?
|
| All I can see is text, something like: ``` version https://git-
| lfs.github.com/spec/v1 oid sha256:c113251a7c1a67eff152777018926de
| 038c3a78723ec16b611a45a030b8b4d8b size 294284 ```
| https://github.com/anisotropi4/kingfisher/blob/main/image/A/...
| Carioca wrote:
| I'm pretty sure Github disabled image downloads for that repo
| in the last few minutes.
| aranw wrote:
| Even when you download the repo the images don't render
| Carioca wrote:
| As agoose77 said on another comment, Github probably
| disabled the whole LFS (Large File Storage) for that repo
| thih9 wrote:
| Is the LFS enabled for the forked repositories?
|
| I can't log in and I don't have a way to view the list of
| forks.
| stedaniels wrote:
| It wasn't when I tried it earlier.
| agoose77 wrote:
| I suspect that their LFS bandwidth has been exhausted, so now
| one only sees the LFS metadata.
| Daviey wrote:
| Indeed, `git lfs fetch` is giving:
|
| `This repository is over its data quota. Account responsible
| for LFS bandwidth should purchase more data packs to restore
| access.`
|
| TIL that there is the ability to upgrade LFS access on
| github.com
| usr1106 wrote:
| Buying bandwidth from github for LFS blobs seems the wrong
| approach to me, assuming this is some hobby project.
|
| Is there an implementation to seed LFS blobs as BitTorrent?
| remus wrote:
| I assume it's just getting a lot of traffic from HN and
| github have some limits in place to stop it being abused
| for content hosting. I imagine it'll start working again
| once the traffic goes back to normal.
| zeristor wrote:
| I take it this is the code to generate the images, mention was
| made of a data file, but it doesn't appear to be in the repo,
| from a brief check I didn't see any reference to a data file.
|
| I am guessing the actual data file itself would be smaller than
| all of the images. HN readers should have a high chance of
| being able to run the code.
| mfbx9da4 wrote:
| Unless I'm being really dumb I don't see an image, all I see is
| this https://pasteboard.co/hxSXWlzyFepX.png
| iso1631 wrote:
| github have stopped the repo, was working earlier
| iso1631 wrote:
| Does github frequently break repositories like this?
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