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Show HN: Vocab Miner - find new words in Spanish from texts
Author : jsjoeio
Score : 24 points
Date : 2023-12-28 15:17 UTC (7 hours ago)
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(TXT) w3m dump (vocabminer.com)
| eetus wrote:
| I thought that this would look for unique words rather than just
| cycle through all words. You should have a default ignore word
| list that includes things like el, en, de, etc etc.
| dbrueck wrote:
| > I thought that this would look for unique words rather than
| just cycle through all words
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| It appears to be cycling through all unique words.
| hombre_fatal wrote:
| The one-at-a-time UX is too slow I think. I'd rather see N words
| at a time and select the ones I don't know.
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| I'm also not sure how to use this tool in a learning workflow
| since you have to be able to copy and paste a bunch of text. I
| guess the use-case is when you're reading articles online on a
| desktop device, but as you read the article you can already
| pinpoint the words that you don't know, yet this tool makes you
| paste the text back into the tool and reconsume all the words
| again.
|
| A better version of this tool might be a browser plugin that lets
| you click words as you read content online and add to a vocab
| list. This way as you practice reading social media or news in
| Spanish online, you can accumulate words and then do something
| with them. Maybe export Anki cards or whatever it was that you
| had planned.
| dbrueck wrote:
| Your comment sent me down a rabbit hole that led me to
| https://www.languagereactor.com/ and it's great so far. Thanks!
| davidzweig wrote:
| Heh that's mine and Ognjen's project. :)
| dbrueck wrote:
| Well, thank you very much, because I'm really enjoying it.
| So far I've only tried Netflix and PhrasePump, but both are
| very helpful.
|
| I'm honestly surprised by how well the Netflix integration
| works. I have a good friend from China who has more or less
| perfect English now, and I once asked him how he first
| become proficient and he said that he really got going by
| watching every episode of "Friends". I feel like
| LanguageReactor's Netflix tools are the same idea but on
| steroids!
| qnleigh wrote:
| Huh, I literally built an app that does what you describe!
| Basically an e-reader for language learners called Polyreader.
| It's a stand-alone app, not a browser plugin, but it has lots
| of additional features like in-line translation. Maybe I should
| finally open-source it!
| david_allison wrote:
| I clicked "let's mine" without inputting anything and the app
| shows "-1 words remaining"
| nescioquid wrote:
| One suggestion for reducing the burden on your users would be to
| start making predictions about what vocabulary your user already
| knows, just based on what's known about word frequency and a
| short quiz pulled from the text.
|
| I copied in a long poem and it looked like I was going to be
| prompted about whether I knew 1500+ "words" (are you lemmatizing
| the input at all, BTW?). If your user knows the most common
| verbs, they probably already know the prepositions, pronouns, and
| other closed lexical classes of words (and vice versa). If your
| user is familiar with less common vocabulary (e.g. something at
| C1), raise the word frequency threshold for checking if the user
| is familiar with the word. If your user is less familiar with
| basic vocabulary, don't overwhelm them with moderate and advanced
| vocabulary.
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| That would make the prompting portion more interesting -- you
| select the most discriminating words to zero in on estimating the
| user's ability (this is really how adaptive testing works). You
| could gamify this too, by essentially establishing the user's
| "vocab ELO" rating based on word frequency.
|
| Admittedly, maybe my suggestion misses the point of your app in
| case the objective was to be sure that you don't miss any new-to-
| you vocab in a text. On the other hand, if you could do something
| along the lines of my suggesting, you won't overwhelm beginners
| and you won't exasperate more advanced learners.
| bsnnkv wrote:
| I created something similar to this a while ago, but perhaps
| significantly more niche.
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| I like reading classical Dari poetry, but I'm not a native
| speaker. Every now and then, I read a couplet which has a word
| that I don't know, or that the dictionaries available to me
| (either from Iran or Afghanistan) don't provide clear
| explanations for.
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| I indexed a whole bunch of works from classical poets from across
| Central Asia, South Asia and the Middle East and created
| https://baytyab.com/ which lets me put in one of those words that
| I've come across, and see other couplets that the word has been
| used in to help me get a better, contextual understanding of its
| meaning(s) and usage(s).
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