[HN Gopher] Kids with chattier parents are more talkative, may h...
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Kids with chattier parents are more talkative, may have bigger
vocabulary
Author : kherndon
Score : 65 points
Date : 2023-12-22 13:12 UTC (2 days ago)
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| kdwikzncba wrote:
| Some times it blows my mind to discover that some bleeding
| obvious things arent well established. Next thing you're gonna
| discover that kids with funnier parents tell more jokes, or that
| kids with angrier parents shout more.
| andyferris wrote:
| Of course the interesting science would be - nature or nurture?
|
| Eg in a "village" would the kids of quiet parents be exposed
| all day to all these other talkative people, and therefore the
| effect disappears? Or is it genetic?
| mewpmewp2 wrote:
| Great identical twins studies would be very interesting here.
|
| And I agree due to the complexity of this, it's one of the
| most fascinating questions out there. How much and with what
| kind of likelihood I as a parent can influence my child?
|
| Because due the complexity of it all, it sometimes also
| happens that bad parents providing bad environment and
| perhaps bad genes as well, get good children and vice versa.
| No one likes the ideas of this happening though as it
| dismisses the idea of responsibility, and no one likes the
| idea that they won't have 100% control over raising their
| children.
|
| It would be great to know the exact odds, e.g. if you
| classified parents into different buckets, how often could it
| happen that with whatever rules that are perfect environment
| would it happen that children happen to grow up in a bucket
| where they aren't with desired characteristics.
|
| Then sometimes identical twins who grow up with same parents,
| still become different personality wise. What exactly
| explains that? Is it that one of them just happens to take
| the leading role in their relationship and the other just
| balances and the difference between them snowballs because of
| the dynamic they just built with each other.
| FirmwareBurner wrote:
| It may be obvious, but as a relative HN long timer, I've been
| hit too many times with the "source please" when making
| statements based on what I thought were obvious well known
| things, so studies like these are ammo for those sticklers who
| insist on seeing the sauce for everything.
| redcobra762 wrote:
| The whole point of study is to break down these "obvious"
| conclusions and make sure we understand the exact causal chain,
| free of confounding variables. Extremely often something is
| studied that seems "obvious" and turns out to be anything but.
| dang wrote:
| " _Please don 't post shallow dismissals, especially of other
| people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something._"
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
| kdwikzncba wrote:
| Every comment in this thread is a shallow dismissal. Are you
| going to parrot that BS at every one of them, or just me, you
| dong?
| lnxg33k1 wrote:
| Are you sure it's obvious? I have parents that are always
| joking and what they transmitted me is to hate everything, in
| my experience people tend to hate the traits they grow up with
| and to which they're continuously exposed, as I hear often "Who
| did he take it from?"
| onyxringer wrote:
| I noticed that taller parents have taller kids, which is similar.
| I wonder if there's some kind of mechanism underneath both
| correlations.
| drewcoo wrote:
| I'd never thought of "tall" as a behavior.
| afandian wrote:
| There's a behavioural component.
|
| https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/08/scientists-
| try...
| runsWphotons wrote:
| I like that this article has a wrong conversion in the
| first sentence.
| sWW26 wrote:
| If you're referring to the 1.71m = 5.6 feet. It's
| technically correct but confusing, 5.6' != 5'6".
| whelp_24 wrote:
| 5.6feet =5'7"
| scotty79 wrote:
| That's the point of the comment. That behavior is as likely
| to be shaped by genetics as any other trait. There's not as
| much unique stuff about behavior as people usually think.
| baz00 wrote:
| Myself and my ex wife are quite tall. All my kids are short.
| YMMV.
| doubled112 wrote:
| What about the mail man?
| paulryanrogers wrote:
| IME one only has to worry about the taller and more
| handsome ones. (Being a shorter person that's usually all
| of them in my case.)
| boringuser2 wrote:
| You might want to get a DNA test.
| cbsks wrote:
| Ah, that's a common problem with children. You need to wait a
| few years. They'll grow out of it.
| Dolototo wrote:
| Behavior patterns are patterns you learn because you just see
| it every day.
|
| You can already see this in a lot of kids and recognize their
| parents through it.
| scotty79 wrote:
| Behavior can be genetic. Sometimes at wedding you can see
| which part is the brides (or grooms) family bacause they all
| have the same worried look and wrinkles shaped by it.
| Dolototo wrote:
| I don't think so.
|
| There are probably plenty of examples of kids in foster
| care who do not share those behavior patterns
| sumedh wrote:
| > I noticed that taller parents have taller kids,
|
| Probably because of genes and access to nutritious food.
| jareklupinski wrote:
| as a tall parent, I am able to pick up my offspring by the
| arms, and let them 'grow down' until they reach their full
| length
| toast0 wrote:
| It's also important to install shower heads at a tall height.
| Children prefer to be watered from above.
| supersparrow wrote:
| Incredible scientific breakthrough here. Kids may speak sooner
| and have a better vocabulary if their parents talk more. Almost
| as if they learn from us. Amazing!
| 6nf wrote:
| Could be genetic too, at least in part
| wkjagt wrote:
| It is isn't true until it's science.
| wkipling wrote:
| If you read the study they were trying to see if class had
| anything to do with it.
| throwaway743 wrote:
| Idk I have a mother who legit never stops talking and I'm the
| complete opposite. My brother and I play a game when we're all
| together where we see if we can count to 30 without her talking.
| Never once hit 30, closest was like 22.
|
| The study was with kids, so maybe that changes as they get older?
| logtempo wrote:
| It's an interesting question. Maybe a parent that monopolize
| the conversation impact negatively.
|
| As for your experience, keep in mind that with statistics comes
| distribution of outcomes, you could be on that small % where
| things didn't work as observed in the article.
| hydrok9 wrote:
| my mom is like this too and i have a really strong negative
| reaction towards anyone who dominates a conversation or talks
| too much as a result
| logtempo wrote:
| I think comments here don't focus on the most important point of
| this study, and article:
|
| - citation: But the findings don't necessarily mean kids speak
| more because they hear more speech, he says: Instead, "Adults
| [might] talk back more to kids who produce more language."
|
| - article show no evidence of socio-economic difference contrary
| to what was claimed before
|
| - article have a huge database over the world, which makes it a
| strong study.
|
| - article is a baby step: the next step are to know if it's
| talking to the child or if it's talking beside the child, for
| example.
| leosanchez wrote:
| Not a native English speaker. can you explain what do mean by
| "if it's talking beside the child" ?
| erulabs wrote:
| Not the parent but I take it to mean speaking directly to the
| child versus the child being in the same room as people who
| are talking.
| leosanchez wrote:
| Thanks:)
| dustedcodes wrote:
| Personal anecdote, since day one me and my wife have been
| speaking to our baby girl like she is our best friend. For
| example in the mornings I'd never let my daughter just mong out
| in front of the TV while making breakfast. I bought a montessori
| step so she can climb up and stand next to me as I wash
| vegetables, cut bread, fry eggs, brew coffee, etc. and I talk to
| her non stop. I name everything I touch, I involve her by making
| her hold items, press buttons etc and her speech development is
| phenomenal for her age. She is 17 months now and speaks German to
| me, English to my wife and Gujarati to her grandmother. She can't
| speak normally yet but she picked up in all three languages
| enough vocabulary already to say exactly what she wants or if
| something is not right. She counts beyond 10 in two languages and
| knows to say words in German to me and in English to my wife. We
| can point at an item in succession and she'd say it in the
| correct language depending on who pointed to it. It's amazing, I
| see other kids at her age and they literally can barely say 5
| words.
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