[HN Gopher] Another Hit Piece on Open-Source AI [video]
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       Another Hit Piece on Open-Source AI [video]
        
       Author : vignesh_warar
       Score  : 18 points
       Date   : 2023-12-23 19:19 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
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       | artninja1988 wrote:
       | It's honestly pretty sad that at no time the authors of this
       | paper bothered contacting laion to remove the links and work
       | together to develop better filters. Also pretty interesting, that
       | one of the authors calls, David Thiel himself the "Ai censorship
       | death star". Yannic is probably right that they aren't
       | particularly interested in bettering open source diffusion models
       | and are more in the walled garden camp.
        
       | Palmik wrote:
       | Tangential, but why didn't the OpenAssistant team (lead by the
       | author of the video) release the OpenAssistant dataset? As far as
       | I know, the project was shut down, and only some initial highly
       | filtered version of the data got released. This dataset could be
       | very valuable for the community that created it.
        
       | gnabgib wrote:
       | The report (Identifying and Eliminating CSAM in Generative ML
       | Training Data and Models)[0] that this guy is very slowly
       | sumarizing (and seems to largely agree with despite the title)
       | was discussed 3 days ago (38 points, 30 comments)[1]
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       | [0]: https://purl.stanford.edu/kh752sm9123 [1]:
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38711135
        
       | mistrial9 wrote:
       | then why does IBM spend money producing this one?
       | 
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9k-U9AuDeM
        
       | terminous wrote:
       | Open source advocates: "With enough eyes, all bugs are shallow."
       | 
       | These researchers: "I see your project includes a non-zero amount
       | of CSAM."
       | 
       | Open source advocates: "How dare you point out an issue? This is
       | a hit piece!"
        
         | artninja1988 wrote:
         | Weird strawman. His critique wasn't directed at the methodology
         | or the discovery of CSAM. He just lamented the politics and
         | handling of it by the authors. Rather than improving the
         | dataset, the authors published it without attempting to laion
         | to remove the links. Instead, they chose to turn to the media,
         | advocating for the outright banning of certain foss models,
         | contributing to this moral panic around open source ai
        
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