[HN Gopher] Suno AI
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Suno AI
Author : elsewhen
Score : 246 points
Date : 2023-12-23 12:24 UTC (10 hours ago)
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| cs702 wrote:
| Cool: Make music even if you know little about making music.
|
| You can hear some of the AI-generated songs here:
|
| https://app.suno.ai/
| bamboozled wrote:
| Are you making music, or generating music?
| CaptainOfCoit wrote:
| What's the difference? The medium used to create it? "Making
| music" = soft tissues in our brain VS "generating music" =
| hard transistors in a chip?
| adroniser wrote:
| You don't have much control over what is being generated.
| And if you did want to have fine control then what would be
| the difference compared to just dicking around on a
| synthesizer?
|
| A lot of the enjoyment of music comes from connecting
| emotionally with the artist. The artist had something to
| say based on their experience of life and adversity. You
| relate maybe because you've been there too. After all, you
| and the artist are both just human at the end of the day.
|
| This is why for instance I have a hard time believing in AI
| girlfriends or AI therapists. It's not that I don't think
| that an AI could learn to be empathetic and say the right
| things at the right time, it's that I think there is
| something about you the human knowing it is an AI speaking
| that would make you not be able to connect. It's the
| knowledge that they haven't had any life experiences like
| you. They haven't had adversity or struggle.
| lacrimacida wrote:
| I agree about music. When it comes to girlfriends and
| therapists when the medium is text the connection could
| be faked with a large corpus and RLHF. Keep in mind that
| some people already have inflatable girlfriends. It aint
| pretty but may serve some purpose for disfunctional
| people. I'd get more worried if it becomes a bigger
| thing.
|
| When it comes to chat therapy, it could be an interesting
| mode of self discovery. My only worry is if the goal is
| to attempt to replace therapists altogether.
| adroniser wrote:
| Don't you think simply knowing it was an AI would mean
| you can't take it seriously? Or do you think this is just
| a cultural thing that will fade away in coming years.
| lacrimacida wrote:
| If it appears that it understands what you're talking
| about, remembers past dialogue why not take it seriously,
| at least until you find serious flaws?
| adroniser wrote:
| I'm saying that it's always going to be in the back of
| your head that it's an AI regardless of how it acts.
| lacrimacida wrote:
| If it's like a mirror of how you act that makes it for an
| interesting tool. Nonetheless, a tool!
| saghm wrote:
| >Are you making music, or generating music?
|
| > You don't have much control over what is being
| generated
|
| I don't understand this nitpick at all. What part of
| "make" implies fine-grained control over the output?
| Parents didn't have much control over what's generated
| when a child is, but by any reasonable definition of the
| word "make", the baby that comes out is "made" by the
| mother and (to a lesser extent) the father!
|
| > A lot of the enjoyment of music comes from connecting
| emotionally with the artist. The artist had something to
| say based on their experience of life and adversity. You
| relate maybe because you've been there too.
|
| I think you might be assuming that your experience
| generalizes a lot more than it does. I've been a musician
| for decades, and I'm constantly listening to music, and I
| don't need to know who did what to be able to enjoy a
| song. To be clear, there's nothing _wrong_ with that
| being part of your enjoyment, but there's nothing wrong
| with just liking to hear sounds that sound "good" without
| caring about where they came from.
| adroniser wrote:
| I am definitely generalizing. It does seem to be a common
| sentiment expressed when this gets brought up though.
| Whether it's just an instance of me clinging on to
| anything to distinguish from AI or if it's a legitimate
| problem remains to be seen I guess.
|
| And there definitely are songs I feel I just enjoy in
| their own right.
|
| As for 'make' I guess that just comes down to semantics.
| saghm wrote:
| How do you reconcile the fact that music from people who
| have done pretty despicable things can still be widely
| popular? You can certainly argue that enough people are
| willing to look past someone being a murderer or child
| abuser or something because they still can find some sort
| of human connection with the artist, but given how
| uncommon that sort of sentiment is in basically every
| other part of life, it seems far more likely that people
| just don't really think about it an artist at all when
| they listen to their music if the artist is someone they
| wouldn't want to connect with.
| adroniser wrote:
| Do you think people would listen to Kanye if it wasn't
| Kanye?
| saghm wrote:
| I don't think his personality was really that much of an
| outlier when his music first became popular, so I'd argue
| that empirically the answer is yes. From looking at
| Wikipedia, his first album was released in 2004 and
| charted at number 2, with his first single hitting 15 on
| the charts and his follow-up being number 1. I don't
| think you can argue that he was famous enough for anyone
| to be listening to the music because they knew who he was
| rather than because of the music itself.
| majormajor wrote:
| Nobody needs to know who the artist ahead of time is to
| connect to what they say (instrumentally or vocally). The
| art does the talking.
|
| I largely agree that if you don't know anything about
| music but generate some stuff with a very-high-level AI
| tool then you are unlikely to produce anything that
| resonates with people for any significant amount of time.
|
| If you _do_ know something about music (say, producer- or
| other-tastemaker level) and you replace the artists with
| an AI tool - you could have much better luck - but I 'm
| curious there how much longetivity you get. Could you
| create the next star or the next trend or will the tools
| not have the ability to "break the mold" in ways that
| really connect to audiences and new generations without
| being used by newcomers themselves?
| dist-epoch wrote:
| Kanye was not Kanye when he became Kanye.
|
| He started by creating great music.
| p1esk wrote:
| Check out aiva.ai if you want more control over what's
| being generated.
|
| Regarding the connection with an artist - I think it's
| overrated. I don't really care about Lady Gaga life
| experience to enjoy her songs. I have no idea who created
| half of the songs on my Spotify playlist. Artists create
| brief virtual life experiences through their songs. Songs
| I like usually remind me about something I have
| experienced or would like to experience.
| Kiro wrote:
| > A lot of the enjoyment of music comes from connecting
| emotionally with the artist. The artist had something to
| say based on their experience of life and adversity. You
| relate maybe because you've been there too. After all,
| you and the artist are both just human at the end of the
| day.
|
| Absolutely not the case for me. The artist is just a name
| and I often don't know what the song is called. I have
| zero interest in the "meaning". It's all about the
| melody/harmonics, beat and production value for me.
| brookst wrote:
| Melody, beat, and production techniques are all ways to
| express meaning. Do you feel anything when listening to
| favorite music? Odds are that feeling, or something like
| it, are intentionally conveyed, even in instrumentals.
| Kiro wrote:
| Sure, but I would experience the same feelings if it was
| produced by an AI.
| vidarh wrote:
| A whole lot of the songs people like have lyrics and
| music written by the someone entirely different than the
| artists people connect with the song.
|
| A lot of the time people don't even know the name of
| them.
| thih9 wrote:
| Not necessarily.
|
| If you hatch a songbird, feed it, take care of it and later
| record it, then you've generated music.
|
| If you resample it and arrange it into a new song, then
| you've added your input and made a new musical piece.
|
| And sure, this can get blurry at times.
| brookst wrote:
| Why does that matter?
|
| And when we look at great songwriters, do we need to know
| their educational background and what music they've
| listened to in order to determine how much of their work
| is created out of thin air versus arrived at by reasoning
| over theory and inspiration from other work?
| thih9 wrote:
| I guess it matters if/when it affects how much you're
| enjoying the music or how you're perceiving the author.
| CharlesW wrote:
| > _What 's the difference?_
|
| Because humans aren't actually doing the generating either,
| the answer gets clearer when the question is something
| like, "are you making music, or telling something to make
| you music?"
|
| Replicators are a good analogy. Ordering a meal from a
| replicator doesn't make you a cook any more than giving
| Midjourney an order makes you an artist.
| BriggyDwiggs42 wrote:
| Replicators make from a prebuilt list. With these, you
| have to come up with the prompt. There might still be an
| art in the prompting.
| xanderlewis wrote:
| Let's look at the input required for each, in the context
| of computer-aided music production.
|
| 'Generated' music: _typing a prompt and pressing the RETURN
| key_ (time required: ~10 seconds)
|
| 'Made' music: _thinking about melody, harmony and rhythm
| and writing down or programming in each from scratch.
| Choosing sounds and MIDI instruments. Experimenting with
| different effects, tweaking every parameter precisely and
| playing around (using your ears for feedback) until you
| find something you like. Finally, mixing the tracks
| together so the whole thing sounds cohesive._ (time
| required: ~1 hour, min.)
|
| To me, it seems hard to confuse the two processes.
|
| You may very well argue that the 'AI' is doing something
| analogous to human music production (well...
| architecturally it isn't, but you could at least argue it's
| equivalent in some sense), but arguing that the human who
| typed the prompt 'wrote the song' seems to be... to put it
| lightly, rather overstating it.
| Spiwux wrote:
| Cool tech demo, not even close to a level quality I'd consider
| paying for
| DoesntMatter22 wrote:
| I'd pay for it. I make music and it puts a lot of great
| harmonies together that I could use. Sound quality isn't
| perfect yet but it's decent
| maerF0x0 wrote:
| It would be interesting if it could generate accompanying sheet
| music so artists can then turn around and record it
| YetAnotherNick wrote:
| I think this is intended for advertizers. I have seen lot worse
| music mostly for products aimed at kids and they likely take
| 1000s of dollars to write and record.
| u320 wrote:
| Library music costs about the same and is much, much higher
| quality.
| echelon wrote:
| Doesn't matter. They'll raise $50M on this and keep building.
| In five years, you'll eat your hat.
| csmpltn wrote:
| I agree that the quality isn't ideal, but I think this tool
| helps artists iterate much faster and cheaper. I wouldn't focus
| on the quality of the output, beyond the threshold which allows
| the artists to generate a reasonable idea of what they
| eventually want to make.
|
| Think about all the hard work that traditionally goes into
| composing a single title. Artists will spend days, weeks and
| sometimes months trying to iterate on ideas. Writing,
| composing, demoing, tracking and recording, mixing, etc. Think
| about all of the expensive software and hardware that goes into
| this process (instruments, microphones, studios, DAWs, VSTs,
| etc). It's an expensive and difficult process, it's very
| manual, very sequential.
|
| This could easily be used to speed up that iterative process.
| Just ask this software to generate 100 ideas for your next
| bridge, and iterate that way.
| silentdanni wrote:
| I find this very useful as someone who's just learning how to
| play the guitar. My knowledge of music theory is still
| limited, and it'll take me years to get to a place where I
| can express myself in a way I'd deem "satisfactory". I just
| visited this page and plugged in my lyrics, and it arranged
| them into a beautiful song for me. It did it just how I
| imagined it, and that's terrific. Now I can ask my guitar
| teacher if the chord progressions make any sense, and if so,
| then we can transcribe it. I don't know who else this would
| be useful for, but I could see myself paying for it depending
| on how they develop the tool.
| entropyneur wrote:
| It did pretty poorly on my queries and I'm still considering
| paying for it - just as form of entertainment.
| Scea91 wrote:
| There is quite a potential for ephemeral musical messages and
| memes. It can generate resonable lyrics similarly to ChatGPT
| generating responses with just "Give me funny response to
| 'claim'".
| rocauc wrote:
| suno has improved fast. I remember when they released Bark in
| April '23. it was good. but this new model is _fun_. props to the
| team.
| aa6ll wrote:
| This is incredible!
|
| I wonder what open sourcing it would be like.
|
| In any case, support for utilizing existing artists would for
| sure explode the platform, both in quality and in traffic.
| maerF0x0 wrote:
| A little feedback i hope the Suno team sees. Took me a long time
| to figure out how to play the songs. Hitting play at the bottom
| didnt work. Eventually I figured out to mouseover and hit the
| arrow play.
| mcamac wrote:
| thanks, this is fixed now (will need to refresh)
| bottencat wrote:
| Still doesn't work for me. Same OS and browser
| nonfamous wrote:
| A fun way to use this I discovered by accident: ask ChatGPT to
| write a song for you. (You can use a longer prompt, and get a
| text version of the verses and chorus.( Paste that into the
| "Custom Lyrics" UI to get a musical version.
| katspaugh wrote:
| Had good fun generating some 8-bit Bollywood electronica.
|
| https://app.suno.ai/song/e5c4214b-5851-4ae8-876b-6a99f2ca878...
| https://app.suno.ai/song/0425b83a-2fa7-4944-9ed8-ba554bd42c3...
| bucket2015 wrote:
| Yeah, this was pretty fun!
|
| Here's rap about a duck trying to get chicken nuggets at
| McDonalds: https://app.suno.ai/song/27476a1c-ab35-4dbd-
| bf71-a9fa0aaa4de...
|
| I don't see a way to make anything longer than 20-30 seconds
| though.. or is that limited by the lyrics?
|
| Edit: with help of ChatGPT I got some more lyrics, but looks
| like this is as far as Suno.ai is willing to take it:
| https://app.suno.ai/song/1694f2a9-1375-4dc9-b523-33528aa308a...
| sebastianconcpt wrote:
| ROFL that was fun :D
| gaogao wrote:
| > I don't see a way to make anything longer than 20-30
| seconds though.. or is that limited by the lyrics?
|
| General current limitation of generative audio where longer
| than 20-30 seconds gets really wonky
| gkucsko wrote:
| Our models support full 2+ mins of coherent generation but
| generating a couple of verses at a time through continue
| gives good results you can keep picking the continuations
| that sound best!
| sulfonilklorida wrote:
| Use the 'continue from this clip' feature. Next, merge the
| newly generated segment with the existing one using the 'get
| whole song' feature.
|
| Or just get creative, use the vocal remover to extend the
| background sound, cut and paste different parts of it using
| the good old DAW. By using this method, i managed to make
| several "full" songs :
|
| https://soundcloud.com/sulfonilklorida/prompted-melodies
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| https://soundcloud.com/sulfonilklorida/tax-report
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| https://soundcloud.com/sulfonilklorida/dance-of-despair
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| https://soundcloud.com/sulfonilklorida/rebels-of-the-byte
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| https://soundcloud.com/sulfonilklorida/break-the-chain
| echelon wrote:
| > Here's rap about a duck trying to get chicken nuggets at
| McDonalds: https://app.suno.ai/song/27476a1c-ab35-4dbd-
| bf71-a9fa0aaa4de...
|
| That reminds me of Uberduck.
|
| They've been working on the exact same problem as Suno (text
| -> TikTok format songs with lyrics and beat).
| altilunium wrote:
| I managed to create a song with a length of 2:36.
|
| https://app.suno.ai/song/a7469621-ae67-431a-8c5f-c4491994394.
| ..
| xwowsersx wrote:
| > But the nugget machine, it be shattered and deceased
|
| LMAO
| dbish wrote:
| Nice. Been trying to get it to make more classic chiptunes
| style sounds but can't quite get there
| thisoneworks wrote:
| That's not 8bit..
| Lucasoato wrote:
| I see too many companies jumping on the Text2Song train and not
| enough on Text2Midi... Come on, leave a bit of fun for the poor
| sound designers!
| nox100 wrote:
| Why only facebook, gmail, ms users?
| Zambyte wrote:
| I think you mean Discord rather than Facebook, but yeah. Weird
| thing to gatekeep.
| brookst wrote:
| So they can rely on the (imperfect) bot defense of those
| services rather than rolling their own, maybe?
| Dolototo wrote:
| Have you ever added such services yourself?
|
| It's effort.
| okdood64 wrote:
| While annoying for users who don't want to connect their
| accounts: very fair point. Cool product!
| imperialdrive wrote:
| Just came to post the same thing, bummer.
| colesantiago wrote:
| I love this, was thinking about paying for an artist to create
| some music for my project but now I can do this all myself for
| free (for now).
|
| There may be an open source version of Suno somewhere but this
| will do.
|
| Most of the music on Suno is really indistinguishable from music
| that has been made by humans, but doesn't really matter to me
| anyway.
|
| The TTS needs a bit of improvement but nonetheless, great work
| from Suno.
| bassrattle wrote:
| Google's MusicLM is still the only one I've seen that can do a
| virtuoso shredding electric guitar solo of speedmetal arpeggios
| Asraelite wrote:
| It's not at all clear what this actually is. The "About" section
| says basically nothing. It would be nice to know that before
| having to create an account.
| pknerd wrote:
| Has this been made by subcontinent people? "Suno" in Hindi/Urdu
| means "Listen!"
| gkucsko wrote:
| We're US based but come from pretty much across the globe and
| my wife is Punjabi, so yeah that's the origin of the name :)
| consumer451 wrote:
| This is impressive. One UI thing on iOS Safari:
|
| In custom generation at least, when you tap Create, the button
| does not change or disable. So it's easy to use up credits on the
| same thing thinking that nothing ever happened.
|
| Meanwhile, they all do get created on each tap and appear in your
| library.
|
| There are some click artifacts, but this came out pretty well:
|
| > The endless dark winter
|
| > Icelandic choir dark electronica slow
|
| https://app.suno.ai/song/a5c8e0c1-d4a0-42f2-8c7b-252b36f11d0...
| chewmieser wrote:
| This is really good! Generated a song about eating ramen and then
| made some custom songs for friends.
|
| One issue I encountered was this song:
| https://app.suno.ai/song/f128bc8e-a328-467d-9c3b-b2208acca2b...
|
| Which generated lyrics but doesn't actually sing it, oddly
| enough!
| ramesh31 wrote:
| This is the entire future of mass entertainment. A non-stop
| stream of endless content generated from the long tail of your
| digital advertising footprint. No more scrolling Netflix for
| hours, or waiting two years for a new season. Just an unending
| feed of everything you ever wanted to see or hear forever.
| Banditoz wrote:
| That's pretty dystopic. I don't want that.
| elwell wrote:
| Maybe the silver lining will be in how it accelerates one's
| discovery that fulfillment can't be found in the things of
| this world.
| Dolototo wrote:
| It will allow more people to do a Monte Carlo search across a
| much broader spectrum.
|
| The mass will filter through this by popularity.
|
| And good people/artists will be able to learn faster, more and
| iterate faster over ideas.
|
| For everyone else who actually doesn't care that much, they
| will get similar content cheaper.
|
| After all there are so so many people watching normal TV daily
| with a ton of advertising or blindly radio which delivers the
| same top 50 list over and over.
| airstrike wrote:
| Can I take one of these songs and register it under my name?
| What's the copyright here?
| aqme28 wrote:
| IANAL but I believe that AI-derived works are not currently
| copyrightable.
| airstrike wrote:
| also NAL I'm not sure that holds... there's no "anti-
| copyright". I can take the lyrics, the melody, and register
| something. How is suno.ai say I can't copyright it if they
| don't own it themselves?
| Wilduck wrote:
| We won't know for sure until there's actual law or court
| decisions to reference, but until then, it's worth looking
| at something like the Monkey Selfie copyright dispute[1]
| for guidance. The article references a 2014 opinion from
| the United States Copyright Office
|
| > only works created by a human can be copyrighted under
| United States law, which excludes photographs and artwork
| created by animals or by machines without human
| intervention ... Because copyright law is limited to
| 'original intellectual conceptions of the author', the
| [copyright] office will refuse to register a claim if it
| determines that a human being did not create the work. The
| Office will not register works produced by nature, animals,
| or plants
|
| The extension of this to AI would be saying basically that
| the copyright office simply wouldn't extend copyright of an
| AI created work to any party.
|
| In the case of one of these songs, though, if you wrote
| your own lyrics, you would still have the copyright to
| those lyrics, if not the full piece of music generated from
| them.
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_selfie_copyright_d
| isput...
| amelius wrote:
| And how would one prove they own the copyright?
| airstrike wrote:
| By being the first person who registered the song?
| shams93 wrote:
| While it can only do american popular music styles its already
| useful for making samples that are at least not samples of
| straight up copywrited material
| maxehmookau wrote:
| This is absolutely the best use of generative AI I've seen so
| far. This is incredible.
| Decabytes wrote:
| Fun fact Suno means sun in Esperanto
| matheist wrote:
| What's the legal status of ToS clauses about restrictions on what
| you can do with the generated audio? I'd have thought that AI
| can't own copyright -- what does that say about one's ability to
| monetize (under the free tier, say) -- are those prohibitions
| enforceable?
|
| (I can make plenty of guesses myself, so I'm most interested in
| hearing informed replies with references rather than
| speculation.)
| gsuuon wrote:
| Would really like something like this to generate infinite lofi
| to code to. I'm struggling to get this to not output vocals
| though - I've tried both instrumental and no vocals in the
| prompt.
| RedGreenBlack wrote:
| Have you used custom lyrics? Just write nothing or [none]
| LouisSayers wrote:
| This is really fun, just made a Christmas tune!
|
| https://app.suno.ai/song/cb52391f-01ed-4df2-85a3-4c78ec5c2de...
| cush wrote:
| That UI is absolutely delightful
| labrador wrote:
| AI music generation sucks and I expect it to suck for a long
| time. It's hard to make good music. Even a fake band from a
| mocumentary show is infinitly better (Bill Hader, Fred Armisen,
| Documentary Now)
|
| The Blue Jean Committee "Catalina Breeze"
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfrHCNo2I3M
| ShamelessC wrote:
| I don't think your analogy to the band from Documentary Now
| (clearly music made by a very much real band, albeit satire)
| holds up as well as you think it does.
| labrador wrote:
| I checked with my current favorite AI (Pi) and you are
| correct. I stand corrected but still stand by my point. I
| even prefer The Shaggs over the AI music I have heard. It has
| personality.
|
| The Shaggs - Philosophy of the World
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thHcvTDGWvg
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