[HN Gopher] Forget spaceships; I just want my music
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Forget spaceships; I just want my music
Author : panzerboy
Score : 217 points
Date : 2023-12-12 15:10 UTC (7 hours ago)
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| Syonyk wrote:
| Yup. Sound right.
|
| The time spent re-ripping my CD collection to FLAC, my DVD
| collection to MKV, etc, has been well spent. I can rapidly enough
| transcode from that to "Whatever I happen to need for where I'm
| listening to it," and our vehicles have quite the range of local
| music and audiobook content for road trips that doesn't rely on
| streaming anything.
|
| You can get CDs for (usually) very little on eBay, same for DVDs,
| and I don't have to worry about the pissing matches between a
| corporate conglomerate that views me as "a wallet with eyeballs"
| and another one that views me as "eyeballs with a wallet" getting
| in the way.
|
| Meanwhile, vinyl sales continue to skyrocket, and more and more
| people are interested in records, growing collections,
| refurbishing old equipment (both to produce and play records),
| etc. I expect these are rather heavily correlated, because in 50
| years from now, _nobody_ is going to be able to play any of the
| streaming "content" that flows around. "This is my grandparents
| favorite Spotify playlist" won't be a thing, but you can
| certainly go cruising through old photo albums, old record
| collections, etc.
|
| I remain optimistic that we're in the starting phases of a
| rejection of the online [handwaves at everything digital consumer
| tech], and it's going to be aided greatly by stuff exactly like
| this. Profits and corporate pissing matches over "actually doing
| something people want to pay money for."
|
| Google and Disney both seem to be demonstrating that once people
| lose trust in you, it's basically impossible to get it back.
| Nobody trusts a new Google product will last more than a year or
| two, which leads to it getting killed off for lack of use, and
| Disney/Pixar seem to have forgotten that the purpose of the
| entertainment industry is to "entertain the people who might want
| to see your movie." Other studios are doing fine, so there's
| clearly a demand, but Disney has been dropping an impressive
| string of box office bombs lately, because a lot of people _no
| longer trust them._
| taylodl wrote:
| _I remain optimistic that we 're in the starting phases of a
| rejection of the online [handwaves at everything digital
| consumer tech], and it's going to be aided greatly by stuff
| exactly like this. Profits and corporate pissing matches over
| "actually doing something people want to pay money for."_
|
| Your optimism is unfounded. Gen Z thinks it's cool to own an
| album or two, but they're not building collections. Scrap
| booking is popular right now, but it's not quite the same thing
| as photo albums. Everything is ephemeral and by and large
| they're just fine with that.
| Syonyk wrote:
| They're physical things, interacted in the physical world,
| without any way for the companies involved to claw back the
| content, or to data-mine the scrapbook, your albums, etc, for
| listening data and such (though I imagine a smart TV with a
| mic will try).
|
| That's a good direction to see movement in. They're not doing
| "online scrapbooks" or something. And given the long standing
| records of "What you said 15 years ago online is used to ruin
| you today," ephemeral, or "not online in the first place,"
| makes a lot of sense.
|
| I'm certainly glad my entire school experience wasn't logged
| in great detail...
| toast0 wrote:
| > They're physical things, interacted in the physical
| world, without any way for the companies involved to claw
| back the content
|
| Oh, there's ways. In the 90s, there was a rental scheme
| with sealed discs that would degrade in air to become
| unusable within a week. (At least that was upfront, if
| wasteful). I've had one at least CD rot from the inside,
| and it's a major issue for LaserDiscs. Careful material
| science could make this the norm.
| deanCommie wrote:
| Gen Z is young, have no money, have no optimism for the
| future, are completely un-technical when it comes to
| computers, but are EXTREMELY technical when it comes to
| understanding apps, social media, and weird frustrations like
| this one.
|
| It remains to be seen once they enter the job market, and
| despite the cultural perspective inevitably many do succeed,
| and start making money.
|
| I wouldn't be surprised if they absolutely do focus more on
| physical media. They are rejecting Instagram look-obsessive
| culture, and look fondly at what we did in the 2000s when
| every Party meant a 50-photo Facebook Photo dump, 49 of which
| would never be "good enough" to make it to Instagram these
| days.
| cellwebb wrote:
| Gen Z is already in the job market. The eldest are in their
| mid 20s.
| jerf wrote:
| "Everything is ephemeral and by and large they're just fine
| with that."
|
| Today.
|
| Young people being fine with that when they are still in flux
| is not a new thing. A 21-year-old being nostalgic is almost
| the basis for a comedy sketch more than a serious concern.
| I'm not yet convinced they've broken any human patterns when
| they're still fitting fairly comfortably into the existing
| patterns on that. If anything I'd bet they're going to
| discover a larger desire for a foundation than anyone else
| because the "default" ones have been ripped away and they
| can't just sort of settle into an existing one easily.
| Semaphor wrote:
| At least so far, Bandcamp has not changed after the sale (neither
| sale). You can still buy music, and try it out for multiple album
| streams before buying (unless the artist or label disable it,
| which is rare), and download as FLAC.
|
| Granted, not always useful if what you want is from major labels,
| but still, keep in mind that there are options.
| Syonyk wrote:
| Wasn't there some recent article about how Bandcamp got
| acquired by a competitor and is more or less being left to rot
| on the vine?
|
| I agree, the FLAC downloads are a major perk of it, and I'll
| happily buy music there. But I wouldn't trust it to be around
| long term at this point. It's too consumer-friendly to exist
| long term in this modern world we live in. :(
| JohnFen wrote:
| In the long term, everything is temporary. Enjoy the good
| stuff now while it's here!
| Syonyk wrote:
| In the long term, yes.
|
| In the human lifespan terms, our digital stuff is a lot
| more stupidly temporary than it has any good reason to be,
| and physical media (especially in the realm of music) has
| rather outlasted it.
|
| Records (vinyl) from 60 years ago still play perfectly fine
| with a cleaning, and CDs are holding up quite well too in
| general. Because my ability to play a record from the 1960s
| or 1970s is not dependent on the company that created it
| still being around, and being willing to license it to the
| company that delivers it for me to play it, at favorable
| contract terms, etc, etc, etc.
| JohnFen wrote:
| All true -- which is what makes Bandcamp such a treasure.
| Download the flac and you have it forever (or a
| reasonable approximation of that).
| rakoo wrote:
| That's the thing: everything is temporary, but who gets to
| decide how temporary it is ? If it's you, fine; if it's not
| you for totally avoidable reasons, that's a problem.
| Semaphor wrote:
| Bandcamp doesn't need to change, it can just keep going.
| That's what I meant with "neither sale", because there were
| also some (if fewer) doomsayers for the epic sale.
|
| It got sold. Nothing changed. And again, you own the music,
| if it stops existing that sucks, but only for the future,
| everything you bought, you still have.
|
| And fwiw, I don't think anything for Bandcamp will change.
| pavel_lishin wrote:
| > _And again, you own the music, if it stops existing that
| sucks, but only for the future, everything you bought, you
| still have._
|
| Only if you downloaded the mp3s/flacs, and also backed them
| up.
| Semaphor wrote:
| Do people use BC in other ways? I mean, I guess
| technically, you could just keep streaming, but do people
| do that? I'd assume anyone using bandcamp cares about
| having the music actually available.
| pavel_lishin wrote:
| I think some people assume that it'll always be there to
| re-download. I certainly download things immediately, and
| stick it somewhere where it'll be backed up nightly.
| xerox13ster wrote:
| Bought by EPIC, conducted layoffs to crush unionization
| attempts.
| vanchor3 wrote:
| Bought by Epic Games then Epic sold to Songtradr, which is
| when the layoffs happened.
| solarkraft wrote:
| Nothing, neither for good nor for bad, has noticeably changed
| about Bandcamp in the 5+ years I've been using it. I'd call
| that "leaving it to rot" - but hey, at least it hasn't gotten
| any worse. If the new owners keep the course, it'll be okay.
| chimeracoder wrote:
| > At least so far, Bandcamp has not changed after the sale
| (neither sale)
|
| The second sale was just a couple months ago, and while you can
| still buy music and download it, it's not true that "nothing
| has changed" since then. There have been quite a lot of
| changes, just not on that one front. And it's only been two
| months, so it's way too early to conclude that Songtradr won't
| gut it more thoroughly.
|
| Not much changed during the time Epic owned Bandcamp, sure, but
| that's because Epic only bought it in order to gain standing
| for their lawsuits with Apple. It didn't fit into their
| business strategy otherwise, so they had no need to mess with
| it - they literally just needed it to be a legal subsidiary as
| a pawn for an unrelated legal battle. The same is not true with
| Songtradr, which has its own motives and objectives that relate
| to Bandcamp's actual operations and business.
| Semaphor wrote:
| I know. Still don't expect any changes. Nothing has changed
| for any part of Bandcamp I cared about.
| bloomingeek wrote:
| For what's it's worth, I use mp3caprice.com to download zipped
| music. The prices are pretty fair and I don't have to store
| another CD on the shelf. The bitrate is decent and I can find
| albums that aren't available anymore. The bonus for me is,
| since I subscribe to Mojo magazine, I can Youtube new artists
| and if I like them, go download the music.
| Semaphor wrote:
| That looks like piracy, but paying someone for it? Thanks,
| but I actually prefer to support the artists I listen to, and
| when I can't afford to, or it's impractical, to not pay those
| who prevent artists from getting money.
| bloomingeek wrote:
| Where's your proof? Show it and I'll gladly quit buying
| from them.
| Semaphor wrote:
| If you think bands actually sell albums on one site for
| $2 that they sell for $10 everywhere else, then I guess
| you can just go and keep believing.
|
| I just think it might be better to not support sites like
| that and instead torrent directly for free. No need to
| sealion.
| averageRoyalty wrote:
| > No need to sealion.
|
| I'm lost. What do seals have to do with this? Is this a
| typo, or a turn of phrase I've never seen?
| Semaphor wrote:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
| Freak_NL wrote:
| It's not too hard to figure out that this one of those
| cowboy sites operating from Ukraine1 with quite dubious
| claims as to their legality:
|
| https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/2412fb/the_
| web...
|
| https://torrentfreak.com/riaa-and-mpaa-report-notorious-
| pira...
|
| The gist seems that buying stuff there may be legal if
| you are Ukrainian or are actually in Ukraine, and quite
| probably isn't if you are anywhere else.
|
| The RIAA certainly considers them shipless pirates. You
| are probably paying criminals, and almost certainly are
| not paying artists.
|
| 1: There seem to be a bunch of them, which smells a bit
| like a coordinated effort.
| soylentcola wrote:
| Yeah, I never understood this sort of thing.
|
| I get paying to support artists and stay on the right side
| of the law/ethics.
|
| I get downloading a copy of something without paying for a
| license because it's easier/unavailable to purchase/want to
| check it out first/it's free!!
|
| But why pay for a bootleg copy?
| bee_rider wrote:
| Bandcamp has remained amazingly functional throughout all their
| ownership drama. I hope they somehow hold it together.
| spicyusername wrote:
| It seems that we've entered the rent-seeking phase of corporate
| capitalism.
|
| Why spend any extra time, money, or energy making new products or
| services when you can instead make more money doing nothing but
| using your outsized political and economic power to coerce and
| extort consumers instead.
|
| At this point it's impossible to see how any new merger or
| acquisition isn't just another step in the wrong direction,
| handing over yet more power to a small few.
|
| At what point is a company too large to effectively serve the
| public interest? How can we turn this process around and
| redistribute the economic power of these gigantic corporations?
| Syonyk wrote:
| > _It seems that we 've entered the rent-seeking phase of
| corporate capitalism._
|
| Doctorow's word "Enshittification" (which, amazingly, has a
| rather filled in Wikipedia page now -
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification ) captures it
| quite well.
| dirtybirdnj wrote:
| > At what point is a company too large to effectively serve the
| public interest?
|
| I use the term "maxium tribe size" to describe the human
| capability (or incapability) of extending compassion and
| understanding to a group. Companies don't fail. People fail
| within companies. People fail other people and hide behind
| "limited liability" and the sham that is corporate personhood.
|
| Every person has a different MaxT. You may not feel the pain of
| violating this constraint yourself, but lots of people under
| you will suffer. You may actually feel GREAT, look at all the
| respect I have gained! I can make things happen, people listen
| to me... or now I can just ignore them...
|
| You don't care because you are blinded by success.
|
| Money and power are the worst poisons this world offers. It
| turns otherwise intelligent and caring people into awful piles
| of human effluence. It is IMPOSSIBLE to gain sufficient power
| to drive a company and not lose your sense of humanity. The
| idea that you will not violate your maximum tribe size in this
| exercise is insulting. You will quickly be insulated from the
| consequences of your actions, and no matter how depraved your
| behavior there will be a line of people congratulating and
| cheering you on because they desperately want to be the next
| person in line to enjoy the ride you are on.
|
| The people driving enshittification are not human. They may
| share our genes but they are not part of our society or species
| anymore.
| bitwize wrote:
| The sociologist's term for this is Dunbar's number:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar's_number
|
| It's about ~150 with some variance between individuals.
| rglullis wrote:
| I'm developing this theory for a while now that we should
| break all corporations that are bigger than Dunbar's
| number: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31317641
| llm_nerd wrote:
| A tiny musician withdrew their music, so I'm not sure how
| relevant breaking up mega firms is.
|
| In cases like this, a creator puts their own music on a service
| like Amuse. They or that service (acting as their "publisher")
| removed it, which removes Apple's right to stream it.
|
| Apple didn't take away this guy's Ladybug Music.
| cowsup wrote:
| > A tiny musician withdrew their music, so I'm not sure how
| relevant breaking up mega firms is.
|
| The later half of the post is about Sony's deal with
| Paramount ending, resulting in paid content being revoked
| from Playstation consoles.
|
| Whether Sony refused to pay the previously-agreed upon rate,
| or Paramount decided to unreasonably increase what Sony was
| paying, we may never know, but both of those are definitely
| large enough for the commenter's remark to be relevant.
| vimax wrote:
| But Apple sure did market iMusic as a legitimate replacement
| for owned physical media while never mentioning the the fact
| you don't own it and it may disappear at any time. That fact
| is only mentioned buried somewhere in the EULA, and only
| popularized by people like the EFF and the victims.
| JohnFen wrote:
| Music is very important to me. So important that I never dared to
| trust streaming services. Not only do they require an internet
| connection (something that is not always available), but if the
| service experiences downtime, license changes, etc., that music
| is not available.
|
| If I'm going to spend my money on music, I'm going to spend it on
| music in a form that isn't reliant on the ongoing operation of
| some service somewhere. I want to add it to my collection so I
| can actually listen to it anytime and anywhere.
| LiquidPolymer wrote:
| I collect portable music players and hi-fi gear. The music
| gives me great joy, but the hardware also gives me joy. I'm
| likely an outlier in this realm.
|
| I pre-ordered my new Peter Gabriel I/0 album two months ago on
| CD and enjoyed the anticipation of waiting. I steadfastly
| avoided his digital pre-releases. I was not disappointed! It a
| great album and a beautiful sonic experience.
|
| I took a couple of my favorite tracks and mixed it into my
| Peter Gabriel minidisc mix-tape. I have numerous portable
| players to choose from in my collection to listen on the go
| including a few beautifully designed personal CD players.
|
| I travel internationally frequently and I've noticed TSA
| occasionally doesn't know what a CD player is. At least the
| younger agents.
| hatthew wrote:
| I wish I could do that, but unfortunately my music taste is so
| varied/fluid that it would take thousands of dollars and a full
| day's work to purchase and download all the music I listen to
| these days. And a couple years from now I'd need to do it all
| over again to update based on my new taste.
| advael wrote:
| There's like not one but multiple microgenres of music you could
| likely cobble together just out of working musicians' songs
| complaining about the music industry. In the modern world,
| probably the by-the-numbers majority of working artists in every
| medium can effectively self-publish to some degree or another, so
| as the intermediaries have grown more and more demanding and both
| creator- and consumer-hostile, they have also become less of a
| necessary evil for our ability to engage with the works creative
| people are putting out into the world. Piracy is the most natural
| and reasonable way to use current technology to consume media,
| and the massively successful propaganda campaigns to instill a
| folk belief that it's somehow wrong or doing harm are incredible,
| given how much quality of life for both the producers and
| consumers of the actual content is lost in the name of marginal
| gains in profitability and massive gains in control by
| intermediary conglomerates that are increasingly unnecessary. It
| is only by a combination of this mythology and the ever-tighter
| industry collusion with an increasingly authoritarian
| surveillance state to make laws to terrorize people who just want
| their music that this parasitic shape the industry has taken is
| surviving
|
| To me, the notion that a transferrable market-monopoly ownership
| of intellectual rights to a creative work was ever about helping
| creators is the kind of ridiculous farce that people like
| economists can get away with because we've been trained to
| believe that fancy experts saying counterintuitive things about
| "incentives" must know something we don't, but even if you
| believe intellectual property has value, it is not of value for
| massive corporations to sit on a chokepoint between human beings
| and their access to their own cultural touchstones
| widowlark wrote:
| Capitalism responds to demand. We have to stop paying for
| convenience and start demanding better. Save your money from
| Streaming, purchase used and physical only. Force the market to
| adapt to you.
| advael wrote:
| The more power companies have to regulate their consumers, as
| well as the information available to them, the less responsive
| to demand they have to be. We are in a monopolized enough
| environment across multiple industries that we can't assume the
| dynamics of supply and demand work anything like an idealized
| "free market", if such a thing has ever existed
| widowlark wrote:
| As an addendum to my statement: If the changes in demand do
| not result in a change in supply, then piracy is justified.
| pierat wrote:
| Soulseek STILL WORKS
|
| igg-games.com
|
| eztv.re
|
| 1337x.tw
|
| sci-hub.se
|
| libgen.rs
|
| torrentfreak.com
|
| opensubtitles.org
|
| nyaa.si
|
| So is thepiratebay.org .
|
| Search using yandex.com they dont filter torrents like
| scroogle or bingbong
|
| Pirate libraries are this generation's libraries.
|
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| azzentys wrote:
| Thanks, that's valuable
| pierat wrote:
| i expanded it for ya :D
|
| Sharing is caring!
| teddyh wrote:
| More: <https://old.reddit.com/r/Piracy/wiki/megathread>
| isoprophlex wrote:
| The causative factor behind Doctorow's enshittification is
| these asshat companies controlling both the demand and the
| supply side.
|
| Disintermediation killed the mom and pop music stores,
| streaming outright killed physical media. Kids starting
| university don't understand the concept of a file system;
| documents just live in the docs app, right?
|
| Maybe we end up in a situation where there's no escape because
| the median user is held hostage by the lack of knowledge how
| the internet should have been.
| rakoo wrote:
| No, capitalism responds to the richest. That's the foundation
| of Capitalism. To think that anything can be done if just
| everyone paid differently is the epitome of free-for-all
| lawless libertarianism.
|
| How have purchases influenced copyright laws being pushed again
| and again as Disney demands ?
|
| How have purchases changed improved working conditions?
| Biodiversity ? The climate ?
|
| We can't buy a better future, because there'll always be
| someone richer than us. We need to build it directly and ban
| the illusion that is the market
| chx wrote:
| The beautifully written but not much known Rune Blades Of Celi
| ebooks no longer can be purchased, as the small publisher is just
| gone. Of course, the ones I purchased could no longer be
| downloaded. But want something bigger? Fine. The Wheel Of Time
| (is that large enough for you?) Complete Edition I bought for
| over a hundred dollars also can't be donwloaded any more. (And to
| be more on topic, one of my favorite artists have disappeared
| from Bandcamp and so did my purchases. And Bandcamp is better in
| this than others.)
|
| You can download all these from torrent trackers.
|
| Tell me true, if you can't buy them how on earth it is piracy to
| download them?
| Damogran6 wrote:
| I got a free download of one of the more forgetful Terminator
| movies on....Universal? Can't get that back.
|
| RCA Lyra protected music? Gone.
|
| Paid $10 to Harvey Danger for 'Little by Little' and hey, I can
| still get it. That's a surprise.
| pavel_lishin wrote:
| > _Tell me true, if you can 't buy them how on earth it is
| piracy to download them?_
|
| People would argue that it's up to the seller whether they want
| to make their creations available. If I don't want to sell you
| something, then I'd entertain the argument that downloading it
| anyway is in some sense immoral or unethical.
|
| But in your situation, you've already fucking bought it! It's
| as if you placed a pick-up order at the bookstore, showed up to
| pick up your books, and they told you to eat shit. In which
| case, acquiring it through other means is completely
| acceptable, morally and ethically.
| BobaFloutist wrote:
| I agree (or at least see the argument) if it's like the
| original creator who decided they want to keep their hands on
| the work (or _maybe_ like if a company wants to withdraw one
| edition of a book to sell a new edition), but in cases where
| works are orphaned, or the rights are in limbo, or a huge
| corporation merges with another huge corporation and
| permanently deletes creators ' works for a tax break, I don't
| think there's any real argument.
|
| If I Johnny writer am like "Ok when I was 15 I thought that
| many consecutive slurs was funny, but now the alt-right is
| rallying around what was supposed to be satire, so I want it
| off the market" that's kind of reasonable. If James Writerson
| has classics that are kind of out of fashion and got
| converted to ebooks by Big Publisher(tm) which was then
| bought by Bigger Publisher(tm) who decides it's not worth the
| money to keep the classics on the market (but also refuses to
| release them back to the estate of James Writerson or to the
| general public), that's less reasonable.
| vanchor3 wrote:
| > People would argue that it's up to the seller whether they
| want to make their creations available. If I don't want to
| sell you something, then I'd entertain the argument that
| downloading it anyway is in some sense immoral or unethical.
|
| I would say another key distinction is between "don't want to
| sell/can't sell" vs "don't want you to buy". In the former it
| may be because the owner does not want to go through the
| trouble of selling it or is no longer around to sell it. I
| know some people have given up because the effort to deal
| with "trolls" (particularly DMCA and fakes) has either turned
| their passion into a nightmare or it's not really their
| passion anymore and they don't want to deal with it.
| JohnFen wrote:
| > People would argue that it's up to the seller whether they
| want to make their creations available.
|
| But this gets complicated. I wanted to post a song from a
| somewhat obscure '80s band on my website and so tracked them
| down and asked for permission.
|
| One of them (the songwriter) responded to say that the band
| has never had the rights to the music on that album and, in
| fact, they don't even have a recording of it themselves. In
| his words "as far as I'm concerned, you can do whatever you
| want with that stuff". I posted the song and sent him a high-
| quality copy of the album it came from.
| joemi wrote:
| That's not complicated, though. The artist is not the
| seller. The artist already sold their rights. Whoever
| bought the rights is the seller. You might choose to
| disregard that because the artist said they don't care, but
| their opinion is meaningless, so it should not be the basis
| of your argument.
| kleiba wrote:
| _> the ones I purchased_
|
| This is were you went wrong.
| gpvos wrote:
| Incorrect. They actually purchased them and could download
| them, DRM-free. (At least if the other services listed are
| like Bandcamp.) You should archive them yourself after
| downloading. The fact that you can download them again from
| the server, or maybe stream them, is an additional service,
| it's not the thing itself.
|
| That being said, when something is not sold anymore, I'd say
| it's fair game to torrent it or upload it wherever.
| c0pium wrote:
| Where did you purchase The Wheel of Time complete edition from?
| I just checked and my downloads still work.
| Modified3019 wrote:
| Reminder to archive all bandcamp purchases
|
| https://github.com/easlice/bandcamp-downloader
|
| I have a windows oriented "get past setup pain points" tutorial
| here: https://github.com/easlice/bandcamp-downloader/issues/21
|
| For generating a cookie file, I suggest just using
| https://github.com/hrdl-github/cookies-txt I should really
| write up a full Linux and windows setup guide and submit it.
|
| Likewise, people who use bandcamp are likely to use GOG, which
| also has purchase archiving tools available on GitHub. I've
| used https://github.com/Kalanyr/gogrepoc for a long time, but
| there are actually multiple projects now.
| niccl wrote:
| > Tell me true, if you can't buy them how on earth it is piracy
| to download them?
|
| My daughter, doing a journalism course assignment, once asked
| Maddy Prior of Steeleye Span (not a _huge_ artist, but
| reasonably well known towards the end of last century) about
| this. Maddy's comment was basically the same. She'd rather you
| bought something legally, but if it's not available (some of
| their back catalogue had disappeared) then Maddy thought it was
| fine to 'pirate' it.
| Freak_NL wrote:
| All of my Wheel of Time volumes are still there; I checked.
| Granted, barring fire or a really thorough or oddly specific
| burglar, they're not likely to go anywhere (although I suspect
| my son will devour them once he's mastered reading English and
| can reach that top shelf).
| JohnFen wrote:
| > one of my favorite artists have disappeared from Bandcamp and
| so did my purchases.
|
| Always download the flac of the music you purchase on Bandcamp.
| Then your purchases won't ever go away.
| oldandboring wrote:
| In a very strange way it's almost a return to the pre-VHS days
| (for video) and pre-vinyl days (for music). You could enjoy the
| content streamed to you over the airwaves but that was it.
| xerox13ster wrote:
| In the order that they wanted you to hear it.
| maratc wrote:
| With unskippable ads.
| creer wrote:
| There was very little time like that. Where you couldn't hold
| in your hands the content that you bought.
|
| Radio broadcast becomes popular in 1920-1930. While records
| playing speed standardizes in the late 1920s. Say Wikipedia.The
| vinyl single and LP are later but you easily buy records long
| before vinyl. If anything, I don't know that there were paying
| streaming formats in early radio.
|
| There was probably quite a bit of content that was played live
| on the radio - and not available as recordings. And it would
| have been pretty hardcore to make your own recording of the
| stream.
| sertbdfgbnfgsd wrote:
| - Download mp3
|
| - Play on VLC.
|
| Not complicated.
| mattl wrote:
| Download the MP3 from where? If you want a copy of a well known
| song, you might find one, but for something else you might
| struggle to find one. Your best bet is to buy used CDs and rip
| them yourself.
| Nemrod67 wrote:
| rutracker.org has many things archived
| pavel_lishin wrote:
| The article clearly explained that this was not possible in
| their case.
| pimlottc wrote:
| It's not that simple for the poster's use case, which is "play
| whatever my kids want to hear while we're in the car"
| sertbdfgbnfgsd wrote:
| My kid is only 2 years old, but when he can understand the
| concept I will be sure to teach him that he doesn't have an
| arbitrarily large choice, he can only choose from within the
| options we have available.
| paradox460 wrote:
| Download MP3
|
| Put on Plex/Jellyfin/Subsonic
|
| Play in car
| whywhywhywhy wrote:
| > as Sony just decided to yoink over a thousand seasons--that's
| right, seasons, not episodes--of Discovery shows from the
| PlayStation Store
|
| Didn't realize Sony owned Discovery, oh wait they don't. So it's
| actually Discovery who's licensing caused Sony to be legally
| obligated to remove the shows.
|
| Sucks if you bought it but yeah just like the games in your Steam
| library you never actually owned it, you merely licensed it.
| jefftk wrote:
| Sony shouldn't have sold shows to their customers without first
| negotiating contracts with the rightsholders ensuring Sony
| wouldn't have to renege.
| BizarroLand wrote:
| And really, Netflix screwed the pooch on this one right at
| the start by not making licensing rights irrevocable.
|
| They could have said, "we'll pay $0.XXX per stream" and media
| companies would have said, "yay, more money for old crap we
| don't care about any more" and that would have been that.
|
| But because they didn't make it irrevocable, companies have
| been rug pulling customers ever since
| pierat wrote:
| > Sucks if you bought it but yeah just like the games in your
| Steam library you never actually owned it, you merely licensed
| it.
|
| If you're lied to about a "sale" and it's really just a shitty
| rental, we have a different word for that: FRAUD.
|
| And the action that Sony hacked devices and removed said
| content? It mirrors the individual form of this (
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38614624 ), which is
| "horribly illegal". I argue it pales in comparison to Sony's
| actions.
| thfuran wrote:
| It shouldn't be legal for a transfer of a revocable license
| to be described as "buying".
| thomastjeffery wrote:
| If you want a story about Sony and lawsuits for hacking
| devices, here it is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OtherOS
| CaptainFever wrote:
| It doesn't matter whose fault it is. Companies are still
| stealing from the customers.
| BobaFloutist wrote:
| Content I have bought and downloaded should be as irrevocable
| as a book on my bookshelf.
|
| "Licensed" is a made up word. Did I buy it? It's mine. Did I
| rent it? It's no longer mine after the rental period is over.
| End of story.
| RecycledEle wrote:
| The Chinese system of central libraries is better than copyright.
|
| Imagine having every book ever written, for free, all your life.
|
| Imagine authors and inventors being compensated twice what they
| are usually paid in the USA, while the corporate lawyers
| panhandle.
|
| I know the lawyers would end up as party higher-ups still
| screwing us, but I can dream.
| rakoo wrote:
| A central, government-run library only shifts censorship from
| "not profitable" to "not in line with authority". It's not
| automatically better, but it's the logical one anyway when
| there's a ruling State.
| BobaFloutist wrote:
| In a system like that, how do you decide which authors get paid
| what? Is it per check-out with a floor?
|
| I'm genuinely curious.
| georgeecollins wrote:
| I buy mp3s so I will always have them. People think I am a crank-
| maybe so.
|
| The difference with media today is that the control often stays
| in the hands of another party, often not the rights holder. I can
| accept that knowing that everything I buy I am just renting.
|
| The thing that scares me is how a third party can make something
| effectively impossible to discover. In this generation that's
| done for profit. But you can imagine where that will lead when
| what everyone sees is curated in a way they aren't aware of.
| at_a_remove wrote:
| I'm considering some kind of combination of autoloader feeding
| either Exact Audio Copy (which isn't set up for them) or
| dbpoweramp (which apparently _is_ set up for them) to get
| metadata, then I guess I will have to pirate or rebuy discs when
| the AccurateRip indicates that there 's some damage to the disc.
|
| I've avoided iTunes and its descendants due to all of the horror
| stories about destroyed music libraries and music "helpfully"
| replaced in error. Similarly, I haven't signed up for any
| streaming music since I have an el-cheapo plan and these services
| sound like they tell _you_ what to listen to.
|
| I think having somewhat weird tastes in music and being
| _particular_ about it has some overlap with having to seek
| technical solutions which are also not-mainsteam. I am reminded
| of Pictures for Sad Children, wherein a character 's musical
| preference is "Whatever is on the radio, played a reasonable
| volume." and realize I am at the other end of that spectrum.
| miah_ wrote:
| There are some highly opinionated open source tools that do
| this, like whipper. Getting it all working is.. a bit
| frustrating. I do wish that whipper had more knobs to tweak
| rather than being very opinionated in how it rips and what it
| outputs.
|
| For fixing up metadata of your existing collection there is
| Picard.
|
| https://github.com/whipper-team/whipper
|
| https://picard.musicbrainz.org/
| paradox460 wrote:
| I've long thought about getting an old Bravo CD burning robot,
| and making it run "backwards". Always been a "I oughtta"
| project
| jrm4 wrote:
| I'm curious as to when exactly these takes are generally going to
| move from
|
| "Please let me have the thing I want and reasonably should have"
|
| to an open
|
| "Eff it, the tech is here, I'm just taking copies now and you
| should too."
|
| (not that I ought to support that sort of thing, since I am a
| lawyer and we have promulgated standards of professional behavior
| I shall tell all of you that that second thing is bad, very bad.)
| pkdpic wrote:
| Glad to see this pop up, its been a weirdly big struggle for me
| as a new-ish parent.
|
| For a while my ancient CD collection and healthy ecosystem of
| local used vinyl / CD stores had us in a nice routine in
| conjunction with youtube-dl and my posse of old Sony voice memo
| usb mp3 players.
|
| Then youtube-dl wasn't a thing anymore (maybe it is again?)...
|
| Then we had to get a new car (a Tacoma)...
|
| No CD player, no aux cable.
|
| I had really bad early experiences with apple music and Spotify
| not having stuff I wanted. Unclear artist support reputations
| also (Im no expert there). But it all had heavy Enshittification
| vibes early on IMHO.
|
| Anyway somehow in my exhausted dad mental state I've concluded
| that buying albums on iTunes like a maniac is at least worth a
| try before augmenting my car to have an aux cable and / or
| peripheral CD player. I held off buying albums on iTunes
| literally until 2 months ago. Very strange but maybe working.
|
| Anyway curious what other folks are doing as far as listening to
| music. This article was spot on but I needed a Solutions
| section...
| all2 wrote:
| Youtube-dl still functions quite well. You can even grab the
| CLI here: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl
|
| And occasionally you can find one of their TLDs just by doing a
| search on DDG or Brave.
| teddyh wrote:
| > _Then youtube-dl wasn 't a thing anymore (maybe it is
| again?)..._
|
| yt-dlp is definitely a thing: <https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-
| dlp>
| gkbrk wrote:
| youtube-dl is still a thing, last commit was one week ago.
|
| https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/commits/master
| BobaFloutist wrote:
| How expensive is it to swap out the media player in your car
| for something with an aux port? Alternatively, does it not have
| a USB port?
| verve_rat wrote:
| Try an fm transmitter?
|
| Plug it into a 12v socket (cigarette lighter socket) and plug
| the audio cable into the headphones jack. Tune the radio to the
| set frequency. Bob's your uncle.
|
| https://www.amazon.com/s?k=fm+transmitter+for+car&crid=XYUJ3...
| DavideNL wrote:
| Anyone else here also still using LogitechMediaServer (and iPeng)
| to stream their own music?
|
| Such an old system (written in Perl), but still runs great!
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logitech_Media_Server
| https://github.com/Logitech/slimserver
| https://hub.docker.com/r/lmscommunity/logitechmediaserver
| venachescu wrote:
| There are dozens of us! Dozens!
| AtiRadeon9700 wrote:
| I threw that old thing (logitech squeezebox) in the recycling.
|
| With how warm it was in standby I bet it cost more money in
| power bills than itself don'tcha know.
| donatj wrote:
| I still use whatever they call the service where my ripped CDs
| get uploaded to my Apple Music library. I have quite a few albums
| physically that their library lacks and it's been nice to be able
| to listen to them in my car.
|
| Over the last 3 to 4 years though more and more of my music
| living in the cloud has gotten corrupted, to the point that
| something like 1 in 10 songs is unlistenable. The source material
| in my main library still plays fine, nothing wrong with it, but
| play it on any other device it pops and skips.
|
| Doing some googling, I don't seem to be alone in this. It's
| honestly infuriating and has me potentially searching for some
| other service.
| high_5 wrote:
| The true anarchism to the enshittification of the music services
| would be to just sing or whistle the songs.
| 082349872349872 wrote:
| I've heard rumours there are even analogue "musical
| instruments" which can be used (especially during Carnaval) to
| cover music...
| akokanka wrote:
| Torrent and terabytes of data on hard disk ftw!
| gambiting wrote:
| The thing that really worries me and which no one seems to be
| talking about is the region locking of localisation for streaming
| content.
|
| For context - we're a Polish family living in the UK(like 2
| million other Polish people). We have a small child who loves
| Disney films, and because he is normally exposed to English(and
| speaks it fluently) I'd like him to at least watch cartoons in
| Polish. But Disney region locks most(not all, but majority) of
| Polish localisation to Poland only. When we visit Poland I can
| watch all Disney content in Polish on my UK account without any
| issue - but when we're in the UK these localisation options
| disappear. So Disney clearly has those options but chooses not to
| offer them.
|
| So right now, at least we can still buy DVDs or have those
| shipped over. But it's clear that Disney wants to stop
| distribution of physical media - as they've already done in some
| regions.
|
| What then for multilingual families? Just "suck it up" and don't
| have access to content in my language, because I don't happen to
| currently live in Poland?
| keiferski wrote:
| For your situation specifically check out this site. I think
| there are some cartoons:
|
| https://35mm.online/
| ssss11 wrote:
| That's a fascinating perspective which I wasn't aware of -
| locking of language localisation. Thanks for raising.
| fragmede wrote:
| While there is the bigger picture to consider, my solution to
| get access to Swedish content for my then-partner while we were
| in the US was to use a VPN. Mullvad worked for local content,
| but if you still have friends/family back home, a tailscale
| exit node might work better, especially for Disney+.
| jareklupinski wrote:
| would love a solution for this too
|
| raising bi-lingual kids is much easier when you can give them
| second language media, and it doesn't seem like it would be an
| expensive flag for Disney to flip...
|
| might even be an opportunity to rebrand themselves as
| educational...
| thomastjeffery wrote:
| > Enshittification has reached new heights, as Sony just decided
| to yoink over a thousand seasons--that's right, seasons, not
| episodes--of Discovery shows from the PlayStation Store.
|
| > But they're not just removing them from the store.
|
| > They're removing them from people's libraries.
|
| That's called fraud. Why in the world are we not prosecuting it?
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