[HN Gopher] FISA "Reform" Bill Would Greatly Expand the Entities...
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       FISA "Reform" Bill Would Greatly Expand the Entities Forced to
       Surveil Users
        
       Author : jacooper
       Score  : 59 points
       Date   : 2023-12-11 21:10 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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       | JumpCrisscross wrote:
       | There are two 702 bills going to the floor for a vote. One, which
       | adds a warrant requirement, and another that does not. To which
       | does this language attach?
        
         | imglorp wrote:
         | EFF has details. Donate.
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         | https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/12/section-702-needs-refo...
        
           | yieldcrv wrote:
           | Does anyone know the forums where people create bills for
           | laws like the one discuss and think they're doing good?
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           | I don't want like paranoia based forums, I want the one where
           | intelligent people are synthesizing laws with the correct
           | lingo, laws that create power for the state and pass it to
           | their favorite senators
           | 
           | I would like to see how they think about things
           | 
           | I don't really buy the perpetual "us vs them" mentality I'm
           | presented with, and maybe there is a more holistic approach
           | to collaborating with their sentiment if there was more
           | communication
        
             | theonlybutlet wrote:
             | Congressional committees and hearings? Alternatively lobby
             | groups.
        
               | CrzyLngPwd wrote:
               | Coffee meets keyboard moment.
        
       | wolverine876 wrote:
       | _"any other communication service provider who has access to wire
       | or electronic communications either as such communications are
       | transmitted or as such communications are stored"_
       | 
       | How is "access" defined? Do E2EE messenging services have
       | "access" (I mean legally, not technically or philosophically)?
       | Possibly that particular phrase (maybe not others) is written to
       | exclude them.
        
       | sroussey wrote:
       | No mention how they have foreign governments spy on our citizens,
       | then trade data, so everyone has data on everyone. Everyone being
       | five eyes.
        
       | CrzyLngPwd wrote:
       | Scaling...every business must share your data and the data it has
       | about you with the government.
        
       | pard68 wrote:
       | The "blinking red lights" narrative started by the FBI director
       | and parroted by Senator Graham were scare tactics to influenced
       | the passing of this bill.
        
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